By on March 7, 2011

What if Gawker redesigned their sites and people stopped coming? It’s a question being asked with more and more seriousness as the nice people at Sitemeter continue to display some genuinely terrifying statistics regarding pageviews for Jalopnik, io9, and the rest of the cutesy-name sites in the Denton Media Mafia, er, Family, er, Domestic Partnership. One recent chart suggests that Jalopnik readership has dropped by a staggering seventy-five percent since what’s been called “the worst site changes in human history, I mean, this makes that one crazy bridge somewhere that, like, wiggled and broke look like the Pyramid of Khufu, solidity-wise, kinda, uh, is my latte ready yet?”

Read on for the big picture and an alternative explanation for the crazy stats…

Well, that looks bad… but on CrassTalk, it’s being suggested that it’s Sitemeter, not Gawker, at fault. In this exchange between a variety of amazingly hipster-ish, emotionally brittle, prematurely balding, unbelievably annoying New York wannabe-fems whose collective asses could probably have been easily kicked by either my twelve-year-old self or a particularly aggrieved kitten, one Gawker d00d says

Apparently the ajax is making it difficult for the counters to track traffic properly.

It’s THE AJAX, STUPID! Who knows? He could have a point, although a quick call to an AJAX developer whom I know didn’t reinforce my confidence in that idea. More likely: it’s a combination of site-tracker difficulty and Gawker’s magnificently indifferent, suck-it-peasants attitude regarding reader complaints in the post-redesign era. Yes, Apple frequently gets away with alienating their entire user base in the service of some Insanely Great Idea, but that approach only works if the ideas are Insanely Great. Coming up with a Murilee Martin knockoff series called “Found Off The Street” and posting photographs of Steve McQueen’s genitalia moves the insanity meters but leaves the greatness one completely still.

It’s not like we don’t have some gracious sympathy here for our friends in the blogger biz, particularly after I blitzed Jalop’s Wes Siler by thirteen seconds a lap at Monticello two years ago. TTAC’s redesign wasn’t exactly a smashing success, but let’s be honest: we can’t afford to fix it. Gawker’s boss is reportedly worth $290 million, so we suspect he can afford to “fix the ajax”. Perhaps another few months of disappearing readers will convince him to write the check.

Disclaimer: the author is an occasional contributor to Jalopnik, although he suspects that won’t happen again after he clicks “Publish” on this story.

Get the latest TTAC e-Newsletter!

191 Comments on “What’s Happened To Jalopnik?...”


  • avatar
    Lynchenstein

    avoid the crap design: get the old look back by using this URL: http://ca.jalopnik.com/
     
    Replacing the www. with ca. works for all of the Gawker stuff I think.

    • 0 avatar
      CJinSD

      If someone responds to one of your posts, there is no workable way to reply without ending up on some current format pages that crash my brower. Good riddance. It couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch. It is almost like Gawker is just too impaired an organization to function. They’re rotten from top to bottom. I used to think that Jalopnik just needed to move to a different host, but most evidence says they’re birds of a feather.

    • 0 avatar
      car_guy2010

      I hate the redesign and I’ve stopped going there as much. Thanks to Lynchenstein, I might start going back more. I prefer the old look because it’s much easier to navigate.
      Gawker really messed it up here though.

    • 0 avatar
      johnny ro

      Thanks Lynchenstein.  I will now resume my formerly happy 5 minutes a day on Jalopnik. Some of their stuff is funny and some of their posters creative.

    • 0 avatar
      JREwing

      The ca. links have been inconsistent at best. Sometimes, I actually get an up-to-date site, other times it’s several days behind. I’m glad to see it’s working properly today; maybe it’ll stay that way.
      It’ll definitely be interesting to see the stats from other Gawker sites like Lifehacker. This redesign was simply boneheaded; if indeed it’s a problem with advertisers being able to measure traffic properly, they’re morons for not dealing with that BEFORE rolling out the redesign.

    • 0 avatar
      Thinx

      “the worst site changes in human history”
       
      Well, if you are talking about the worst site-change, I think Gizmodo shoots straight to the final-round for your consideration.  I don’t know if they are related to Gawker, frankly I couldn’t care less what the incestuous back-end relationships are between these sites, but Gizmodo really buggered the pooch about a month or two ago.  I haven’t been back since.
       

    • 0 avatar
      timothymcn

      @Thinx: Yes – Gizmodo is part of gawker. All of their sites (Jalopnik, Gizmodo, Deadspin, Lifehacker, etc.) changed from the Gizmodo format you knew and loved to the horrible design you left about a month ago.
      The classic view is usable http://jalopnik.com/#!classic because it puts the articles in the normal reverse-chronological order
      But the comment system is still really broken. It went from what I thought was the best comment system on the interwebz to a complete mess

  • avatar
    axual

    I could not care less.  But all the redesigned sites are poorly executed.  This is a story about “because it can be done, let’s do it” and “if it looks good, it must be better”.  We see with many websites, they are being design by people who have more interest is things looking slick vs. working well for users. There is a very simply solution to solving this type of problem … ask the user.  Set up four sample templates and let users decide.  It’s not rocket science, but if it is, then I’m a rocket scientist.

    • 0 avatar
      JMII

      The problem with the “let the users decide” idea is no marketing department or focus groups are involved, and I doubt any PowerPoint slides need be created either. Thus nobody in corporate America would go for such a simple, easy, cost effective solution. Instead company A (self proclaimed interwebs design gurus) convinced company B (Gawker) that what they sold them was pure gold. And since common sense is lost on most upper manager types Gawker bought in hook, line and sinker.
       
      I’ve worked in marketing so I know how this goes down. I was involved in a commercial film shoot for a medium-sized cruise line. The 60 second advertisement that resulted from hundreds of meetings and untold dollars was a MESS, but when it was over the fools in charge got a standing ovation. It was a clear case of the emperor has no clothes. The reason for this: either you tow the company line (this ad is great!) or you would be shown the door. I sat on my hands and was quickly labeled as not being a team player. 4 months later the company was out of business, but the ad guys got their check.

  • avatar
    stryker1

    He’s worth 290 million, and he’s not out somewhere cruising the world in a summersible yacht with lots of beautiful women and armed goons rather than riding herd on some smelly tech bloggers?

    • 0 avatar
      Jack Baruth

      Mr. Denton, for the record, is [whatever men who have sex with other men have decided is a permissible term for that particular inclination this week].
      Rumors that Mr. Denton selects tall, dark, boyish-looking men to be his chief editors for sexual reasons are, as far as I know, completely untrue .
       
      http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/10/Ray_Wert.jpg
       
      Completely untrue.
       

    • 0 avatar
      Domestic Hearse

      I would say that you have — with that — assuredly lost your occasional contributor status at Jalop. It was worth the lol, however. Minx Wert, complete with cheap watch, bad shoes, and unraveled pant cuff, never gets old.

    • 0 avatar

      @Domestic: No he hasn’t lost that status. We’ll just ask — as we always do — that he only write about the things he’s informed enough to write about when he writes for Jalopnik. We think that’s fair.

    • 0 avatar
      K5ING

      @Mr. Baruth:  What the hell was that???  This is a car blog.  I could care less about the personal preferences of anyone else unless it has to do with their automotive tastes.
       
      As much as I hate the new jalopnik, that was uncalled for IMHO.
       

    • 0 avatar
      quiksilver180

      Jack, you can call us [whatever men who have sex with other men have decided is a permissible term for that particular inclination this week] a “man lover”. Or whatever.
      Roughly related:

    • 0 avatar
      sfdennis1

      @Baruth
      The term is “a gay man”…and it hasn’t really changed in meaning recently…like your adolescent-level emotional retardation hasn’t changed, nor your borderline homphobia.  Tiresome.

      Your “particular inclination” for acting like a jackass whenever you deal with the issue of someone being gay makes you seem REEAALLY straight…like “Republican Politician” straight.

    • 0 avatar
      itsgotvtakyo

      People who sit or lean on cars, even if it’s for a fabulous photo opportunity, should be face chucked.

    • 0 avatar
      itsgotvtakyo

      @sfdennis1- How is making fun of politically correct nonsense any worse than insinuating someone might be gay because they made fun of said politically correct nonsense?

    • 0 avatar
      CJinSD

      Why is it that homosexuals often think that insinuating someone is a homosexual is the worst insult they can levy?

    • 0 avatar
      sfdennis1

      @CJSD @ itsgot

      Someone actually BEING homosexual is certainly not any insult..or any problem to a well-adjusted tolerant person, nor a threat to their (whatever) manhood…

      But if either of you is too clueless to pick up on Baruth’s condescending tone and attempt at slander, then please, PLEASE don’t you yourselves breed, as we have enough imbeciles on the planet already, and your impaired genetic lineage should end with you.

      When Baruth talks smack, he deserves to get it returned…end of story, move on.

    • 0 avatar
      Jack Baruth

      sfdennis1,
       
      I subscribe to Robert Bly’s theory that “gay” and “straight” are extremely reductionist labels applied to an entire spectrum of male sexuality.
      If you’re hoping I will explode in some “Straight Dave”-style fashion when you accuse me of being secretly gay, I’m going to have to disappoint you.
      My only real gripe with gay men is that American ones consistently buy cheap shoes. Your average upper-class British fairy (think Philby, Burgess, McLean et al) could be found kerbcrawling in Lobbs or Cleverlys. When I go to San Francisco I have to keep my eyes on the sky lest I be sickened by the filthy proliferation of corrected-grain, Chinese-made, Kenneth Cole trash.
       
       

    • 0 avatar
      itsgotvtakyo

      So sfdennis is one of those entitled, up tight gays that take people too seriously to have a laugh about anything, got it.

    • 0 avatar
      CJinSD

      Although after that shoe post I’ll give him credit that he is in Baruth’s wheelhouse.

    • 0 avatar
      geeber

      “Attempt at slander?” I don’t think so…

      Mr. Denton’s sexuality was well known to any of us who regularly read Jalopnik – or Gawker, for that matter – long before Mr. Baruth’s comment. Or, more accurately, used to read those sites before the lousy redesign.

      And people regularly insinuate that heterosexual men hire subordinates based on looks as opposed to actual qualifications, whether it’s a manager at IBM or Donald Trump choosing the last winner of The Apprentice (who happened to be young, comely and blonde). So what’s wrong with doing the same for gay men (or women)?

      It’s called “equality,” people.

    • 0 avatar
      sfdennis1

      @Baruth

      I realize that you’re not “Republican politician/Staight Dave” straight…though, with your extensive knowledge of  premium brand men’s footwear, you may in fact be a “dandy”…that, or you have a male foot fetish…not that there’s anything wrong with that.

      In our defense…all the gym memberships, tanning, designer underwear, weekend brunches, adopted asian babies (etc,etc,etc)  don’t come cheaply, so the money’s got to come out of the budget somewhere…and if our shoes aren’t always up to your high standards, for all gay men everywhere, I apologize.

      Back to posting about cars.

  • avatar
    86er

    Canadiandriver.com recently underwent a gawd-awful redesign and is now known as Autos.ca.

    It is probably better at linking to Twitter or something, but its interface is terrible, and I think will alienate a good chunk of us barely computer-literate car guys who could easily navigate the simple layout of the old site.

    • 0 avatar
      Brian E

      I thought I was the only one who noticed this. I’m not even Canadian, but I liked CanadianDriver for their simple, no-nonsense car reviews. Now I don’t even bother. And I’m not barely computer literate, I’m a programmer – it doesn’t matter; the new design is simply harder to follow.

    • 0 avatar
      86er

      Plus they got rid of most of the old used car reviews that I enjoyed so dear. 

      It was like a capsule review here on TTAC, only actually taking place at the time the vehicle in question was contemporary.

    • 0 avatar
      psarhjinian

      I think will alienate a good chunk of us barely computer-literate car guys who could easily navigate the simple layout of the old site.

      It alienated all of us who are computer literate, too.  I can see what they were trying to do (become Edmunds North) but the golden rule is “never make it harder to get at your content” and they stomped all over that.  It’s much, much too hard to pick out information on a page.  I think that’s the intent: make the site require more clicks in the hope of more ad impressions.

      The search function is improved, mind you.  Of course, it couldn’t get any worse.  It’s also sad to see the “view full article on one page” option is gone.  Bet that one pleases the advertisers.

    • 0 avatar
      Bytor

      That was another royal screwup.  I had Canadian Driver in my RSS feed. I never saw any announcement of the change. I thought the site/feed was hijacked so I removed it from RSS.
      I checked for a few days before I figured out that it was the sort of the same site. I hated the new layout and how they just seem to be an Autotrader publication now that I didn’t bother adding them back and haven’t visited the page since.
      They really messed up huge. I will never be back now as it just feels like the advertiser has taken control of the site.
       

    • 0 avatar
      Tifighter

      +1.
      Even if the search function improved, it seems like you can’t just browse the individual car reviews (formerly by year) anymore. And no, I’m not in Canada.
       

    • 0 avatar
      Philosophil

      Yeah, that’s long been one of my bookmarked sites as well, and I also confess to not liking the new design. I’m quickly becoming more familiar with the layout now, so it doesn’t strike me as backward as it first appeared, but I still prefer the older, simpler design.

    • 0 avatar
      WaftableTorque

      I removed the CanadianDriver.com from my bookmarks list. The content’s been slowly going downhill over the last 5-6 years, but the switch to their new layout means I can comfortably let them go.
       
      It was sort of like theCarConnection.com between 1999 and 2001 when they had great editorial content, but they lost their early-mover advantage.

    • 0 avatar
      psarhjinian

      CanadianDriver never really had good written content.  Jill McIntosh and Michael Clark had interesting work, but that was about it—everything else was a little weak.
       
      What they did have, years before anyone else, was good photography.  And by “good” I don’t mean pretty, but truthful and useful.  Unlike other sites (including some very large ones) which either used stock photos, carefully selected pro shots and/or “art” photos, CanadianDriver’s photos were pretty much what you’d get if you sat in the actual car.  I don’t think anyone else does that even now, though Mr. Karesh seems to be taking a stab at it.
       
      The trim package walks in the Buyers’ Guide were pretty useful, too.  It certainly saved me from having to pour through manufacturer’s PDF brochures (hint to automakers: no one likes reading PDF files.  It was fine in 1997 when HTML page layout’s leading edge was the TABLE tag, but it’s wholly unneeded, and more than a little lazy, to just scan your print brochures today.)
       
      F_ck me if I can find any of that now.

    • 0 avatar

      I was a regular visitor to Canadiandriver.com as well and like the others I was not impressed with the redesign or the name change.
      It’s much more difficult to navigate around and I have a sneaking suspicion its now run by some newspaper group though I have no proof of this.
      I’m wondering if it will become like my hometown paper where the car review section has become a circle jerk between the writers and the manufacturers, and fluff articles like Courtney Hansen: Full Throttle.

    • 0 avatar
      psarhjinian

      I’m wondering if it will become like my hometown paper where the car review section has become a circle jerk between the writers and the manufacturers

      That’s what CanadianDriver is (was?): an factory-direct outlet for AJAC writers, the same AJAC writers who are syndicated in every newspaper’s auto section.  The nice thing about CanadianDriver was never the writing, it was the other features.  If I wanted AJAC pablum, I’d read Wheels or Globe Auto, if I could find the articles in between the ads.

    • 0 avatar

      @ psarhjinian,
      I see your point and I agree Canadiandriver.com was never the beacon of independent thought for car reviews and I hope my posting didn’t infer that. However, they seemed to be a little more opinionated, not Top Gear opinionated mind you, but not like the Postmedia chain which has gone from mediocre to an advertising infested joke. I’m so old I remember a time when car reviews had pictures actually taken by the newspaper photographer and not supplied by the manufacturer.
       

  • avatar
    Jeffer

    I am usually resistant to change, especially for no good reason, but I will slowly accept it. Jalopnik has gone to blog hell in ways too numerous to count. They have dropped from my #2 or 3 favorite spot, down to “maybe if I’m bored”

  • avatar
    monomille

    I followed Murrilee and then stuck with TTAC because I liked the content and writing.  When I occasionally return to Jalopnik, I do it via the Canadian version.  They should focus their net monkeys on maintaining the site instead of “improving” it..  As the famous cold war Russian said, “better is the enemy of good enough”.

  • avatar

    The new Gawker site design is all about maximizing the potential for Biggest Thing On The Internet For Eight Hours posts, the ones that break big on Twitter/Facebook/Digg/Reddit/Fark/etc. Sure, most posts disappear without a trace, but the big hits that go viral bring in the all-important unique views. Uniques are worth much more revenue than visitors who keep coming back. Say what you will about Denton (and I never spoke with the man during the 3+ years I wrote for Jalopnik, so I have no special insights) but he does seem to be good at this sort of thing.
    The part that I’m worried about is what happens to the traffic-bonus-based income of my friends who still write for Gawker. No big hits, no pay? I don’t know, but I suspect they’re under a lot of stress right now.

    • 0 avatar
      psarhjinian

      Uniques are worth much more revenue than visitors who keep coming back

      +1 Insightful.

      The problem is that, if you work this too hard, you end up not being a “go-to” destination, or at least no different than any other aggregator, at which point your unique visitor count plunges because there’s no difference between you, Autoblog and Inside Line.

      It’s the same homogenization that’s killing print and TV.

    • 0 avatar

      “Uniques are worth much more revenue than visitors who keep coming back”?

      That doesn’t make sense. Visitors who keep coming back are still uniques. And not only that but they’re uniques that you get to count this month, and next month, and the month after if they keep coming back. Our goal is to get new regular readers, not new uniques. A reader is a person who comes more than just one time — i.e., a dedicated visitor to the site. So we want to be keeping the ones we got, while also getting new ones.

      I don’t understand why this is such a difficult concept for folks to either grasp or realize makes perfect sense.
       

    • 0 avatar
      psarhjinian

      I don’t understand why this is such a difficult concept for folks to either grasp or realize makes perfect sense.

      Returning regular readers aren’t there for the ads and aren’t quite as sale-able.  Uniques stand a better chance of turning a click.  They’re also the standard metric when you’re selling ad space.  In print, it’s the difference between people who write letters to the editor and the “circulation” figure on the front page: the former tells you how engaging your content is; the latter is a metric for adspace buyers.

      Mind you, it’s a bit of an incestuous metric: sellers promote it, and buyers use it.  It’s in the best interest of both to keep the circle-jerk going.

      If you’re selling subscription services it’s a different story, but since most websites aren’t subscription-based, it’s a fair assumption,

    • 0 avatar
      itsgotvtakyo

      Your monthly visits totally shitting the bed makes perfect sense, I agree. The layout sucks, wishful thinking and denial won’t change that.

    • 0 avatar
      J_Orbit

      Oh we all know the WHY: $$$.

      Bloggers are writing articles the way marketing people write ads. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve clicked on a link on my google news page just to find the headline to be complete BS designed to get clicks.

      Blogging shouldn’t have to rely on tricks. Focus on the contect and you’ll get the views organically.

  • avatar
    catbert430

    I used to love Jalopnik in all its snarky, metrosexual glory but, now it’s just not worth the effort.
    The interface sucks and the content and commentary are way, way down in quantity as well as quality.

    • 0 avatar

      I totally get where you’re coming from and I’m sorry. You’re right, it is more difficult to navigate. And we’re trying hard to make it easier to do so.
       
      For starters, have you tried the http://blog.jalopnik.com/ layout? It’s more like the classic layout and you might find you like it.
       
      Also, as an added benefit — on that layout we’ll be moving away from ajax (thank god).

    • 0 avatar

      Actually, notwithstanding political press releases reprinted from Talking Points Memo  and a redesign that could have been much better with just a few tweaks, lately the content on Jalop has been pretty good.

    • 0 avatar
      photog02

      @Ray: That isn’t the solution. As a usability/UX person, I can tell you that you need to fix your interface without requiring your visitors to go to sub-domains. I went from being a multiple times per hour visitor to once a week (and via ca.jalopnik.com at that!). I really miss the old Jalopnik, and by old I mean both content and layout.

    • 0 avatar
      Acc azda atch

      catbert430:
      Check out ca.jalopnik.com. I love(d) Jalopnik for its P.C.H comparos and its WAGONS. The site now does QOTDs with no answers. It does this horrible roundup (spending more time doing that than putting out interesting posts. Now there are more side news type car news, no wagon love and no P.C.H.
       
      I love the site like a chain restaurant that I have gone to (Cracker Barrel and Wendys for their bad service and GOOD FOOD. SO I go back. I know I will be disappointed at Cracker Barrel by the horrible service and by Wendys for cold fries, people who cant get a simple order right.
       
      I go to Jalopnik cause the community is decent, the people are always interesting (not counting the facespace pandering that I hate). This is a site, THE SITE that made me realize its ok to not want a sedan or a SUV / CUV. Now the direction of the site seems to be more fun than Autoblog, with a better community.

  • avatar
    JJ

    Jalopnik and Gizmodo used to be sites I checked every day, but the redesign helped me kick the habit.

  • avatar
    Jedchev

    I’m a fan of Jalopnik, I must admit. I use ca.jalopnik.com, in order to avoid having to use the new redesign. Before I discovered that the Canadians were spared from the dubious new update, I viewed the site far less. As a car nut, rather than a blog enthusiast, I want the layout to be simple and scrollable. The new Jalopnik is neither.
    I have also been noticing a trend, whereby TTAC has been becoming more like Jalopnik. It’s more irreverent, talks more about old cars and has Murilee Martin. In the meanwhile, I discovered a lot of great content and writers over here. It’s good for me, as I have two communities instead of just one. I used to get a “Consumer-Reports” kind of vibe here with more “social conscience” than I can take and I can say that it’s gone. You love cars that some people hate and will sing the praises of impractical machinery like a true Quixote. Bravo!
    Take the Gawkers on! In the end we’re all winners because of it.

    • 0 avatar
      Bytor

      Yeah. All the Gawker sites work the old way on the Canadian versions (I am Canadian) so that is what I got on a search.
      Strange.

    • 0 avatar
      photog02

      So Murilee Martin is the indicator of funky car culture? :-)

    • 0 avatar

      JedChev, one reason why I started Cars In Depth (other than the fact that a 3D car site is too good an idea not to do) is that much as I like TTAC and am grateful for the opportunity to contribute here, it can get a little bit wonkish. Wonkish is fine but it’s not the whole story. I like the idea that cars are, in addition to all the social, environmental and political ramifications, fun. I’m fascinated by the permutations of car culture. I think that by bringing Murilee on to the team, Ed is trying to bring some fun.
       
      One advantage that those of us who write for TTAC have is that our corporate owners don’t interfere. They don’t make us post stuff from other sites, like Jalop has to run stuff crossposted from Jezebel or some other Gawker site.  Another great thing about TTAC is what it doesn’t cover. Farago wouldn’t cover motorsports – though that rule’s been relaxed a little. TTAC had very little to say about Top Gear (and I’m surprised that with as much attention TGUSA has gotten at Autoblog and Jalop that nobody’s mentioned a word that I can find about Dan Neil’s new show on SpeedTV which was not half bad). TTAC doesn’t talk about the next release of Need For Speed or Gran Turismo. Not that there’s anything wrong with covering video racing – it’s an important part of the 18-35 male demographic, and I got Alex Ingram, who won the Gran Turismo 5 3D competition sponsored by Sony in the UK, to comment about video racing and related matters for CID – but my point (other than plugging CID) is that TTAC is defined in part by what it doesn’t do that all the other car sites do.

  • avatar
    dolo54

    I’m a developer and have done quite a bit of AJAX work and that is the problem with the tracking stats. However, that doesn’t mean the redesign isn’t a horrible clusterfuck. It is for many reasons.

    – Dual scrollbar is pretty much universally considered bad design. I find it pretty annoying myself.

    – They knew AJAX would screw up independent 3rd party site stats, yet they chose to go ahead with it anyhow. They can can track stats internally, but when you’re selling to advertisers is that really going to help sales? Advertisers obviously feel much more comfortable with independent stats and I can only imagine they will go with competitors who have them.

    – AJAX breaks some basic browser functionality, like using the back button. Sure it takes you back to the same article, but not with the page at the exact state you were viewing it. Say you were reading the comments, saw a link you wanted to follow in one of the comments, clicked on it and then wanted to go back and reply to that comment. You have to re-find the comment in their now very confusing comment system.

    – Comment system has become almost unbearable. I think that’s led to most of the regulars jumping ship for places like Hooniverse. Most of the comments on jalopnik now are like ‘cameros suckzzz0rs eat it!’ Basically it’s like 4chan without the child porn.

    – The layout is crowded, confusing and the white background is not working. It looks fine on this site, but on theirs it’s an eyesore with that crowded layout. It gives me a headache.

    – The ads break the site. Almost every article has a comment saying ‘I would like to read the article but the ad is covering it!’ If you are forcing your users to use adblock just to make your site functional, you have kind of defeated the purpose of having an ad based revenue business plan.

    – The owner of gawker is an arrogant idiot. He green lighted this crap and now refuses to own up to the criticism, unbelievable.

    – The stories have gone from Jalopnik to Autoblog’s kid brother. It’s not even Jalopnik anymore. That was my favorite site pretty much. It’s a bummer, but nothing is forever. Ray Wert has been steering it away from its original mission for some time now and has finally succeeded into turning it from juicy esoterica into lukewarm pablum.

  • avatar
    CHINO 52405

    I used to be a multi time a day guy on Jalop then 2 things happened. 1.) Gawker lied big time about the extent of their hack and also were exposed to be indifferent to the concerns of the affected. 2.) The redesign does not work. I’m a designer/developer and while I’m not the gatekeeper of cool, I know my way around the web. The redesign is damn near impossible to navigate and thats the opinion of most designers and IA’s I know.

    Jalop used to be good because of the random post every 15 min and the comment interactions. I have much better sources for the information I want and no longer miss hanging out at the playground.

    TTAC is navigable and predictable…nothing extremely good/bad from a design/UX standpoint. I come here to read Jack’s posts and rage against traffic cameras *shakes fist*. I recently discovered formula1blog.com and find it to be the most visually engaging blog I visit regularly…pretty good F1 content and crowd there too.

  • avatar

    I’ll tell you what it is Jack, because its been discussed on pretty much every car forum that I frequent.

    The users have decided collectively not to go back to Jalopnik because the interface is so god awful.

    We’ve all stopped reading their site, so we’ve stopped linking to them in our posts (which would generate traffic).

    I have no doubt in my mind that these site stats are real – everyone I know (online and in person) has basically written Jalopnik off.

  • avatar
    obbop

    Anything a bevy of bodacious bikini babes wouldn’t cure?

    • 0 avatar
      mazder3

      They wouldn’t do that. They’d rather show pictures of Steve McQueen’s junk. Seriously.

    • 0 avatar

      Yeah, that man crush on McQueen is getting a little icky, particularly since a good chunk of their crew weren’t even born when Steve was alive. Yes, Mr. McQueen was the definition of cool, but he’d be creeped out by the hero worship. I understand that one reason why he raced was that on the track and in the paddock he was just another racer, not a movie star.

  • avatar
    dolo54

    I’m a developer and have done quite a bit of AJAX work and that is the problem with the tracking stats. However, that doesn’t mean the redesign isn’t a horrible clusterf—. It is for many reasons.

    – Dual scrollbar is pretty much universally considered bad design. I find it pretty annoying myself.

    – They knew AJAX would screw up independent 3rd party site stats, yet they chose to go ahead with it anyhow. They can can track stats internally, but when you’re selling to advertisers is that really going to help sales? Advertisers obviously feel much more comfortable with independent stats and I can only imagine they will go with competitors who have them.

    – AJAX breaks some basic browser functionality, like using the back button. Sure it takes you back to the same article, but not with the page at the exact state you were viewing it. Say you were reading the comments, saw a link you wanted to follow in one of the comments, clicked on it and then wanted to go back and reply to that comment. You have to re-find the comment in their now very confusing comment system.

    – Comment system has become almost unbearable. I think that’s led to most of the regulars jumping ship for places like Hooniverse. Most of the comments on jalopnik now are like ‘cameros suckzzz0rs eat it!’ Basically it’s like 4chan without the child porn.

    – The layout is crowded, confusing and the white background is not working. It looks fine on this site, but on theirs it’s an eyesore with that crowded layout. It gives me a headache.

    – The ads break the site. Almost every article has a comment saying ‘I would like to read the article but the ad is covering it!’ If you are forcing your users to use adblock just to make your site functional, you have kind of defeated the purpose of having an ad based revenue business plan.

    – The owner of gawker is an arrogant idiot. He green lighted this crap and now refuses to own up to the criticism, unbelievable.

    – The stories have gone from Jalopnik to Autoblog’s kid brother. It’s not even Jalopnik anymore. That was my favorite site pretty much. It’s a bummer, but nothing is forever. Ray Wert has been steering it away from its original mission for some time now and has finally succeeded into turning it from juicy esoterica into lukewarm pablum.

    • 0 avatar

      White background always works. I wish mode “web designers” realized that.

    • 0 avatar

      Pete, I’ve always been a big fan of simple layout and lots of white space. Also, I’ve never thought that light text on dark backgrounds is particularly legible. Ironically, for my own site, I decided to go with a white text on black background for a couple of reasons. There’s a lot of photography and video on the site and I noticed that a lot of photography sites use black layouts – images look better against a black background. Also, for readers who use red/cyan anaglyph glasses to view the stereo content on the site, white text on black backgrounds is very legible even when wearing the glasses.

  • avatar
    A Caving Ape

    I used to go to Jalopnik quite a bit, mostly for the social oppositelock thread.
    I found TTAC in the aftermath of the redesign, and was blown away by the quality of the content. I still scan the front page from time to time but this is definitely my new car blog home.

  • avatar
    MrGreenMan

    Much like Amazon Women from the Moon, it’s the same thing all the time, so what’s to miss:
    “Wow, this supercar is so cool! I have to change my pants.”
    “Wow, this is a press release from Hyundai! I have to change my pants.”
    “Wow, I’m wicked fast in my 34 hp micro hatch three door RWD manual stick with a turbo! I have to change my pants.”
    “Wow, there’s another Transformers Movie! Here’s a picture of some actress! I have to change my pants.”
    “We’re awesome now.  Now we’re only going to talk about euroexotics.  I have to change my pants.”
    “Remember back when we were relevant?  Let’s think about that.  I have to change my pants.”
     

  • avatar
    340-4

    I used to visit Jalopnik and io9 twice a day.
     
    Now, maybe once every few days at most.
     
    The new designs are wretched. That, and the articles on both sites are straying so far from where they should be that I was, before the change, about to give up.
     
    This sealed it.
     
    Anybody got a suggestion for a site to replace io9?

  • avatar
    gslippy

    Jalopnik?  Never been there, and now I have less reason to go.

  • avatar
    Ozzy Modo

    The “Domestic Partnership” line was an offensive cheap shot. What’s with all the homophobia? It’s 2011. Grow up.
     
    That said, all the Gawker sites are horrible to navigate now. Gotta wonder who researches these things? The same research guy who thought consumers would love the Aztek?

    • 0 avatar
      Toad

      Rumors that Mr. Denton selects tall, dark, boyish-looking men to be his chief editors for sexual reasons are, as far as I know, completely untrue .
       
      I am normally the least PC guy in the room, but WTF with the homophobia?  When it comes to writing about cars I don’t care who anybody sleeps with.  If Jack is obsessed with writing about the latest Whiskey McBimbo in each article, fine, but most of us that no longer have car posters on our bedroom walls don’t really give a sh-t.  And I’d imagine most of us don’t really give a sh-t who Ray Wert sleeps with either.
       
      Funny that a poster recently got banned for calling Ray LaHood an idiot, but apparently calling out “the homos” is fine, as long as it is an executive from a competing website.  I really thought TTAC had a little more class than that.

      • 0 avatar
        Jack Baruth

        Toad,

        To the contrary… I think that it’s very far from “homophobic” to imply that a gay man would pick a subordinate based on sex appeal. Straight men do that stuff ALL THE TIME. Straight women do it too. I worked for a very well-known fortysomething executive woman who had a “mimbo” as her personal secretary.

        You have to choose. Either being gay is the same value proposition as being straight, which means all the same jokes/comments/whatever apply, or it’s something that has to be treated with radiation gloves.

    • 0 avatar
      Detroit-Iron

      I am normally the least PC guy in the room, but WTF with the homophobia?
       
      It’s funny how the “least PC guy in the room” always chimes in with the PC bullsh1t.

    • 0 avatar
      StatisticalDolphin

      It’s funny how the “least PC guy in the room” always chimes in with the PC bullsh1t.
      Its like they are completely unaware that hypocrisy is the the essential element of PC.  Whenever I hear someone spew PC I reflexively ask myself, which of the four stages of BS are they on?  Most of them seem like they have achieved permanent fourth level status.

  • avatar

    Jack,

    For starters, as I’ve always told you in the past, you can always write for us if your writing is informed. Right now, sadly, it’s not.

    Let’s clear up one thing first — our content is better now than it’s ever been. With the addition of award-winning reporter Justin Hyde, Matt Hardigree’s continuing hard-charging stories, the return of Mike Spinelli and the occasional contributions of Chris Harris (even Davey G. Johnson jumped into the mix today), we have one of the best teams in the industry — if not the best.

    That said, who knew people were coming to Jalopnik because of its layout? I always thought it was the content. It appears that’s not entirely the case because yes, our traffic is down due to the site redesign. It’s down double digits. But no, it’s not down 75%. It’s not down 50%. I can assure you, one month into the redesign, we’re still at well over 2.5 million visitors per month (here’s a screen shot from Google Analytics: http://tinyurl.com/662242u ).

    The sitemeter graphs looks the way they do because we took Sitemeter off our pages because yes, they do not work well with Ajax.

    Frankly, we stopped using Sitemeter when we went to our own internal traffic measuring system (in combination with Quantcast/Google Analytics/ComScore) over two years ago, so Gawker took it off of all of our sites. You can see that’s the case because, well, if you look at our source code on all of our pages, you’ll see it’s gone. That’s why it shows us as being down 75-95%.

    That said, I too am pissed about the way that this redesign has gone and I want to see the problems fixed and fixed fast. Which is why I’ve been fighting for — and now we’re officially going to get — a non-ajax version of the site (the http://jalopnik.com/blog format of the site) for folks whose browsers don’t work with ajax.

    I can also assure Phil Greden that our team is doing just fine. They are not paid out a salary that is heavily bonus-based. They’re paid a salary and a bonus. In this case, because the changes to the design came from the top down, Nick instituted a baseline 10% bonus for all sites for this past month and the current one.

    Also, by the way, your mom liked my boyish good looks. I’m not saying then, that she’s a man who likes men, but given your causal reasoning, you may believe it to be the case. ;-)

    • 0 avatar
      psarhjinian

      Not that I’m a fan—because I’m not—but that’s a much better rebuttal than I’ve seen from Messrs. Neff and Lavrinc.  Well played.

    • 0 avatar
      CHINO 52405

      “our content is better now than it’s ever been”…”who knew people were coming to Jalopnik because of its layout? I always thought it was the content”

      Jalop might have the best content, or it might not. Either way, your wonderful content is hidden beneath layers of bad design, confusing information architecture and horrible user interaction. Oh yeah…and how about you be upfront with your users when you get hacked rather than wait 2 weeks to tell anyone.

    • 0 avatar
      NotFast

      Mr. Wert:
       
      I did stop going to Jalopnik because of the redesigned format.  Not only is it difficult to navigate on a laptop touchpad, but it really gets in the way of enjoying stories.
       
      Sorry.

    • 0 avatar
      rtfact32

      As soon as Gawker went to the new commentary system about a year and a half ago, Jalopnik started it’s long downhill slide. It was impossible to quickly find your posts, things were lost in the shuffle, and at that point it became a site for the specialized few to have their comments and the rest of us to just suck and watch everyone else comment and have fun.

    • 0 avatar

      @Chino, When our comments were hacked, we had a post up on our site the moment our editorial team knew that there had been a problem and were able to get into the system again to write it. We did not wait two weeks. From the moment I heard about the problem to when I put up the post on the hack, was a matter of hours.
       
      Where is this “two weeks” thing coming from?

    • 0 avatar

      @NotFast: I completely understand why you left. The experience has been nothing if not shitgasmic. It sucked for both you and I as readers. We’re committed to working out the problems and getting it up and running on non-ajax compliant devices as quickly as possible. Send me an email at ray-at-jalopnik-dot-com and I’ll make sure to get what device you’re using and I can send you an email when the non-ajax version of the site is up and running, but I expect it to be in the next week, maybe two at the most.

    • 0 avatar
      CHINO 52405

      @Ray
       
      http://blogs.forbes.com/firewall/2010/12/13/the-lessons-of-gawkers-security-mess/
       
      According to Forbes, I was incorrect. 2 weeks was being generous. Forbes states Gawker knew about the hack as far back as July. Gawker announced it to the public sometime in late Nov or early Dec right?

      EDIT: if you go by “s*** hit the fan day” of Nov 11, I still believe that was one month before the 12/12 announcement (according to this article, as stated above I don’t recall the exact day) on the sites.

    • 0 avatar
      Jimal

      Ray,
      I’ve been trying really, really hard to warm up to Jalopnik 5.0, and have been providing positive and negative feedback through Opposite Lock, but it the immortal words of Jeremy Clarkson, “It hasn’t worked.”
      It just hasn’t.
      One of my great pet peeves in life is change for change sake. Perhaps 5.0 made things easier for you guys on the back end but it is a mess for us, the end user. At first I dismissed this as me being old and resistant to change, but I’m just not that backward. I can’t see a single thing that is better for me as the end user, so I find myself going to Jalopnik less and less.

    • 0 avatar
      Jellodyne

      Personally, I can never load any of the Gawker comments through the office firewall. It would be nice if the Blog formatted pages had the comment parts rolled into the page on the server side. I think the ‘new’ comment format (you know, a year and a half ago ‘new’) discourages new people from using it, and diminishes one of the former glorious benefits of the ‘old’ site, i.e. the commentariat. Clearly you feel you need a system to keep mouth-breathing trolls and idiots like myself from derailing the threads, I jut think a system like the one at Slashdot is the better solution. There, people can comment and be included in the conversation, but trolls can be modded down and incisive/funny/good posts can be modded up and receive more prominent status. At Jalop, your comments are basically invisible until one of the chosen few deign to bless your scribblings with their approval. Or that’s how it feels. So I comment here, and forget about that other place.

    • 0 avatar
      DeadFlorist

      To add to the chorus, Ray, the problem isn’t really your content.  The tech gets you in trouble.  Never have I ever seen a site so confounded in its ability to get content onto the internets in a reasonable fashion, having recently devolved into outright unreadability.  It’s just one disaster after another over there.  I’m not sure what’s going on at the Mothership, but tell them to knock off the gimmicks and redesigns so you guys can, you know, write about cars.

    • 0 avatar
      1000songs

      rtfact32
      March 7th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

      As soon as Gawker went to the new commentary system about a year and a half ago, Jalopnik started it’s long downhill slide. It was impossible to quickly find your posts, things were lost in the shuffle, and at that point it became a site for the specialized few to have their comments and the rest of us to just suck and watch everyone else comment and have fun.
       
      WHAT HE SAID

    • 0 avatar
      Acd

      The redesign made the site pretty much unreadable.  That combined with smug, predictable, uninteresting content are reasons why I don’t go back. 

    • 0 avatar
      quiksilver180

      I’m with Jimal on this. The redesign ruined Jalopnik, and I emailed Ray (didn’t receive a response, nor did I expect one) telling him so and to let whomever know that it sucks. I don’t visit Jalopnik as much as I used to either. Back end improvements are great for you since you work on the site, but you make money off of readers… don’t make it suck for us. And for things like that, vanilla is fine.
       
      Also, I somewhat feel like the writing is hit or miss. Yes, personally I think the content used to be better (I can’t site why, but it’s just my gut feeling). But also, Gizmodo (one of Gawker’s sites) used to be way better over a year ago (before the whole “we ‘found’ the iPhone 4”), but I don’t visit them now due to their writing and stories just SUCK (a good portion is about design on other stuff, how cute kittens are, neato photos, and not much about tech stuff). If I want to read a design blog (or Steve McQueen stocker site), I will. But I’m not. I’m reading your site because you’re supposed to be offering automotive (or for Gizmodo, tech) stuff.
       
      Please know that I know you have some fantastic writers, but it doesn’t feel like it (quality vs. quantity of work perhaps). Maybe take your team on a retreat for a few days to get away and do some extensive brainstorming on a game plan.
       
      Thanks, I had to let that out. But please, for the love of God… fix that sh*t.

    • 0 avatar
      Jack Baruth

      Also, by the way, your mom liked my boyish good looks.
       
      Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears.
      I come to praise Ray Wert, not to bury him. This is a man who is renowned for his naked ambition, his effortless manipulation of the blog world’s dullards, and his ability to select “Car & Driver” editors while also assuring President Obama of a critical victory in a swing state. Plus he’s based in Manhattan. But he still has time to throw my mother, who is dying of sarcoidosis, a sympathy fuck.
       
      God bless you, Ray. And please leave the “furry” outfit at home next time you come by Mom’s place, the neighbors are already calling you “Mr. Dragon Hallway Sex”.

    • 0 avatar

      Hey Wert: What does Maurice think of the redesign?

    • 0 avatar
      SpinnyD

      The best content in the world doesn’t mean a thing if no one reads it because of a terrible website, I used to be a 2-3 time a day visitor, now 0. All because of the redesign.

  • avatar
    carve

    I thought digg.com still holds the “worst redesign in history” award.  This is close though.

  • avatar
    Philosophil

    Though I’ve heard it mentioned here from time to time, today is the first day I’ve ever actually visited this site (I just checked out the Canadian version). From what I could see, there’s little there that would interest me (and from what’s been said here, I don’t even want to look at the America version). Each to his own, I guess….

  • avatar
    pgcooldad

    I had to stop going to jalopnik because if froze my work computer – ever since the redesign it doesn’t freeze up anymore …. but i wish it did.

  • avatar
    mazder3

    How is Jezebel doing?

  • avatar
    rtfact32

    I left the day they sold out to Toyota by plastering ads all over the site during some sellathon. I found it highly hypocritical for them to have a running series attacking “The Beige” and then accepting advertising dollars from the same company. I understand it’s “the biz” and all, but I expected better from Jalop. I used to check every 10 minutes or so…haven’t been back since.
    Thank goodness they sold off The Consumerist before they screwed that up too. Thank goodness Murilee found his way over here. Thank goodness that capable people are still writing objective automotive news.

    • 0 avatar

      I am more than happy to accept money from companies we attack. The only problem comes if we stop attacking them for being beige and boring, which, if memory serves, we have not:
       
      http://jalopnik.com/5762479/why-were-mommy-bloggers-paid-for-positive-stories-on-toyota

    • 0 avatar
      FromaBuick6

      That whole “Beige Bites Back” thing just got tedious.  It didn’t helped that I owned a Toyota at the time…but that’s my own fault.
       
      All they really do anymore is snipe at every new product, and use “It’s boring…moving on!”  as an excuse to not review the car or offer any real insight.

    • 0 avatar
      tonyola

      Car magazines as a rule have always accepted advertising from companies even if the editorial staff trashes the products. If anything, it’s the “insulted” companies that occasionally pull their ads in a huff. At least theoretically, the editorial department should be independent of the advertising department.

  • avatar
    ExPatBrit

    You have to wonder what these bozos are thinking. I used to visit  and post at AudiWorld  2-3 times a day. It was probably the best site for that brand. Really busy site with thousands of contributors (how else do you keep the cars from Ingolstadt  running)?
    Two years ago after a buyout they made a rather unwelcome format change.This was so all their car forums (they own several) looked the same.
    The following day a new site started using the old discarded AW style format.
    Over 50% of the posters crossed over to QuattroWorld within about 8 weeks, by now it’s probably 75%.
    Quattroworld continues to do well, AudiWorld is a ghost town.
    Epic Fail!
     
     
     
     
     
     

  • avatar
    FromaBuick6

    Wow.  Those numbers are pretty damning.  And since raw numbers are all Gawker cares about, maybe they’ll finally get it through their thick skulls that the redesign is a New Coke-grade flop.
     
    I followed Murilee over here a few months ago, and this has quickly become my favorite car site.  The reviews and industry analysis are honest and insightful.  And the writing is just better and more colorful.  Actual journalism and storytelling have a place here.
     
    Jalopnik’s all about cheap sensationalism for page views now; There’s little depth to the writing.  Steve McQueen’s dick and political cheap shots have taken the place of actual reviews and quirky nostalgia.  And that was fine for awhile, because guys like Murliee, Wes and Ben were true gearheads, and because the of some of the best commenters I’ve seen anywhere on the web.  But Gawker is chasing them all off with their neverending quest for unique views.
     
    I expect Wert to be over here within the hour, innocently denying all this.  And he’ll likely have conveniently forgotten about the hatchet job they did on Ed a few months ago.  I like the guy, but could it be anymore obvious that he used to be in politics.

    • 0 avatar

      I’m not denying that the redesign sucks. In fact, I’m wholeheartedly agreeing with you.
       
      And we didn’t do a hatchet job on Ed. We pointed out inconsistencies and inaccuracies. And if we were wrong with those call-outs, we hope we’d be corrected. Except we weren’t corrected — just as TTAC won’t be corrected here on comments about the re-design — because we were spot-on.
       
      What you’re not correct about is your “hatchet job” on our content — which, has, as I’ve said before — gone nowhere but up as of late. With the addition of award-winning reporter Justin Hyde, the return of Mike Spinelli, the addition of new voices like Chris Harris (his “How Ferrari Spins” story two weeks ago was the must-read story for auto enthusiasts this year) and the occasional return of voices such as Sam Smith (back three weeks ago at the Chicago Auto Show) and Davey G. Johnson (back today for his review of the Raptor CrewCab), we’ve got some serious talent writing for us at Jalopnik. Are you going to claim none of them are “true gearheads?”
       
      Also, we know the difference between “anymore” and “any more.” Just sayin’…

    • 0 avatar
      1000songs

      As FromaBuick6 mentioned, it’s less about the site design, and more about the godawful garbage that passes as posts now over at Jalopnik.  It actually used to be funny.  Honest.  It was a site I checked every day, had on my feed, etc.  Not anymore.  Editorial control is pretty much zero and unique content seriously lacking.
      Add in a few other factors, like a hacking of everyone’s passwords, an inability to actually delete your account (seriously) and a system where only certain members of the inner sanctum have their comments promoted for publication with remarks from the great unwashed relegated to secondary status, and you have a perfect storm.
      This peasant is now happily sucking it elsewhere.  Like here.

    • 0 avatar
      FromaBuick6

      Ray, you automatically get bonus points for for agreeing the redesign sucks.  And for showing up here like I thought you would.  But you lose points for correcting my grammar.  Nevermind that I was ragging on somebody else at work today for essentially the same flub.
       
      Look, I’ve got nothing against your writing staff. On the contrary, I think they’re great.  I just wish they had the opportunity to flex their skills more often.  And I’m not saying that you, Justin and Mike aren’t gearheads;  Perhaps not as off-the-wall as certain past contributors, unless one of you guys has a Pinto Cruising Wagon or Trabant I don’t know about.   Come to think of it…didn’t Spinelli have a custom van pact with Murilee?  When’s he going to live up to his end of the bargain?
       
      Thing is, if you keep doing what you’re doing content-wise, I’ll keep coming.  I’ll bitch on occasion, but I’ll still be there basically every day.  Well, maybe not during the day anymore (Ha!  I used the right one this time!), because 5.0 bogs down too much on my slowass work computer.  Even on a slow day, you’re still better than, say, Autoblog or Motor Trend.

    • 0 avatar
      Facebook User

      But you know what? I mostly dislike the monday-thru-friday stuff, but the weekends are pretty cool. That new writer, Tom Joslin I believe his name is, knows about cars, and is funny (not Murilee funny but funny). Only bad thing is he writes A LOT. His writings are a bit too long…

    • 0 avatar
      grzydj

      @ Ray.
       
      When did all this cool stuff get posted? I wasn’t able to navigate my way through the ultra confusing, discombobulated navigation panel to find any of these articles.
       
      Sorry, but the 5.0 is an utter abomination. Just simply retched. I tried to be polite at first thinking that the new layout would sink in and make sense at some point, but it didn’t. I found myself going to Autoblog to find what often times becomes the same story at Jalopnik, then going back to Jalop to see if I could find the same or similar article so I could read the comments, but this became an exercise in futility and I basically stopped going to Jalopnik.
       
      Unless things change in the next day or so, I’ll probably never come back. You’ve lost the collective attention span of internet users, which is astonishingly short.

    • 0 avatar

      And we didn’t do a hatchet job on Ed. We pointed out inconsistencies and inaccuracies. And if we were wrong with those call-outs, we hope we’d be corrected. Except we weren’t corrected — just as TTAC won’t be corrected here on comments about the re-design — because we were spot-on.
      I did rebut Justin’s piece, actually. Check it out. I have a lot of respect for him as a writer and reporter, but I still think his piece was a poor call.

    • 0 avatar
      Jimal

      Ray, now that you’ve admitted repeatedly here that the redesign sucks, why not do something about it? Why won’t Gawker swallow its pride, admit that 5.0 is “New Coke” and go back to what was working?

  • avatar
    Dragophire

    There have been alot of sites that have changed lately and some to ill effect. Edmunds comes to mind. I like the sight for information (not car reviews) and their new design is pretty bad. I hate looking at it. That being said I will continue to go there and get my autonews just like I come here for reviews and some commentary. Just dont do another redesign,

  • avatar
    tonyola

    I’m still a regular commenter at Jalopnik and have no intention of leaving soon. The new layout seems to be slowly getting debugged, and in some cases, it’s working better than the Canadian site, which sometimes leaves off the most recent stories. As for content, it’s improved to what is was a year ago when it was in danger of blanding out. Things overall are far from perfect. I miss Project Car Hell, AOTD, Fantasy Garage, and the new car reviews but I’m not discouraged enough to jump ship.
     
    As for TTAC, I’m glad it got over the Consumer Reports/Mother Jones News tone.

  • avatar
    Jimal

    “Unique page views” is the “18-34 Male demographic” of internet marketing; something that has been repeated so many times that it is just accepted as the end all, be all. Other demographic spend money, as do repeat customers. Lazy marketing.

    • 0 avatar

      What’s a “unique page view?”

    • 0 avatar
      Jimal

      My flub. “Unique visitors”. Got my Google Analytics all in a jumble.

    • 0 avatar
      J_Orbit

      So you’ve pulled a grammar-nazi and corrected 2-3 people now and your replies thus far reek of a George Lucasian level of smug. The re-design is a challenge but the attitude you’re demonstrating is the reason many of us don’t go to Jalopnik. Numerous people have chimed in that we think the content is weak and has been for some time but you try to argue that point? Wow. You simply refuse to see that the reason the site was popular in the first place was the comments and sense of community. We’ve all read Hyde and Hardigree and found them lacking. You’re not going to win anyone back by arguing with them about their perception. Take the criticisms, learn from them and do better.

  • avatar
    1000songs

    As FromaBuick6 mentioned, it’s less about the site design, and more about the godawful garbage that passes as posts now over at Jalopnik.  It actually used to be funny.  Honest.  It was a site I checked every day, had on my feed, etc.  Not anymore.  Editorial control is pretty much zero and unique content seriously lacking.
    Add in a few other factors, like a hacking of everyone’s passwords, an inability to actually delete your account (seriously) and a system where only certain members of the inner sanctum have their comments promoted for publication with remarks from the great unwashed relegated to secondary status, and you have a perfect storm.
    This peasant is now happily sucking it elsewhere.  Like here.

  • avatar

    Other than forums/message boards, my daily web surfing revolves around RSS. NNW on the Mac, and Reeder on IOS. I especially liked Reeder because it made clicking on or through to read an article, and then back to my articles list, extremely fast and efficient, to the point where partial feeds doesn’t even bother me that much anymore.
    Of course the Gawker redesign broke that, and now I find myself clicking “Mark all read” on Jalopnik, Gizmodo, Lifehacker, etc. more often than not after glancing over the headlines.
    Even when I find myself on a Jalopnik page, I find the design confusing, and not even all that slick looking.

  • avatar

    I like reading all the Gawker sites daily.  And I’m getting annoyed with all of them, not just Jalopnik.  they’re all almost un-navigable at this point, so whether the content is good, bad, same, different, whatever.. I think it gets lost in the constant frustration of just trying to actually read the site.  I hate the giant ad that blocks the top story.  I hate going from a gallery back to a story and losing the actual story text.  i hate the twitter-y ‘story’ posts.  reading Jalopnik used to involve just loading up the front page, reading each little blurb piece, then clicking on whatever I actually wanted to read, which I’m gonna admit was probably 25% of the posts. what i wasn’t doing, though, was giving the site an increase in page views because i wasn’t clicking on the remaining 75% of the stories.  to me, it felt like i was still reading the whole site, but to whatever was counting their posts, it looked like i was reading only 25% of it.  and i’m gonna guess that had a lot to do with why they’ve done what they’ve done.  now the front page text is greatly diminished, forcing you to actually click on the story to read it.  then you try to hit ‘back’, get lost, and click the next site in your bookmarks.  some stuff in the sidebar has pics, some stuff doesn’t.
    what i like about the Gawker sites is the constant stream of relevant pop-culture-y posts, no matter what site you’re on.  and when it comes to auto-related stuff, i still feel like jalopnik delivers that.  the internet is so ADD, you can just jump around constantly and mostly lots of small timely posts can be more interesting than a small number of ‘good’ posts.  this most definitely NOT what you get from TTAC.  however, I actually READ TTAC, instead of just jumping around it.  it would be great to have more quantity here, but in the quantity vs quality battle, TTAC at least gets the quality part right.
    jalopnik should always exist.  autoblog rarely breaks any story and just seems like press-release barfing to me.  ttac is rapidly becoming my new favorite.
    that being said, can I make a few TTAC-related comments?
    -the front page always loads twice, no matter what browser or platform I’m on.  I suspect its ad-related, but its very annoying.
    – the story bar at the top never gets updated, so it should go.  its just taking up your top-level real-estate now.  i can basically see what stories are hot/new/whatever just by scanning the sidebar index.

  • avatar

    Not a fan of Gawker Media/Jalopnik; though I Did read it when Jonny was back there.
     
    Not a fan of RW, either. He should have stuck with carpetbagging insurance door-to-door to hog-callers and running the plushie games at the Iowa state fair midway.
     
    The traffic-drop is the result of the #! Url structure. Webmonkey: http://www.webmonkey.com/2011/02/gawker-learns-the-hard-way-why-hash-bang-urls-are-evil/

  • avatar

    FWIW, I don’t pay much attention to Jalopnik.
     
    As in only when something is linked there from a site I actually visit daily, like TTAC.
     
    I figure if it’s worth my attention, you’ll probably have it. For old cars, between Murilee here and Paul’s new “Curbside Classic” (Thank you Paul!!), I don’t need Jalopnik for golden oldies either.
     
    FWIW…just sayin’.

  • avatar
    SherbornSean

    I do admire Wert for having the stones to come on here and defend the site.

  • avatar
    Zackman

    The only time I spent any amount of time on Jalopnick is when I saw the article on the Lockheed Super Constellation! An airliner! Other times I gave it a look and perused the comments, I was disappointed at the amount of juvenile and unnecessary obscene language. TTAC is a much classier site, which I hope TTAC remains. The commentors are smart and informed as well as the writers. I still check out the other site now and then, but as soon as I see something written that contains material that I classify as a “shortcut for thinking” I move on. Same here, but rarely. I realize no one appointed me a judge of anything, but that’s how I view things. 

  • avatar
    nickaziz

    People still use Sitemeter?
     
    Anyway, Quantcast numbers appear to be accurate. Mr. Denton has more or less confirmed a 25% decline in traffic across the network, according to what I’ve read.
     
    quantcast.com/gawker.com
    quantcast.com/gizmodo.com
    quantcast.com/jalopnik.com
    etc.

    • 0 avatar

      Nick,
      Any idea which sites are getting the eyeballs that used to be at Jalop? That’s hundreds of thousands of people.

    • 0 avatar
      nickaziz

      Big sites like Jalopnik derive a great deal of traffic from search engines, so it’s possible a chunk of that is due to the hashbang url structure and the difficulties associated with indexing these urls. Google is the only SE that claims to be indexing these urls, while Bing has yet to announce support. I’m certain Bing is nowhere near 25 percent of traffic, though. Plus, their sites are still indexed in Bing using secondary non-hashbang urls (Billboard.com uses a similar tactic). Regular readers who’ve stopped visiting are probably frequent visitors of several auto sites, so I doubt anyone in particular has gained much traffic as a result of this.

  • avatar

    The worst part about it is the lack of confidence. Have you tried ca.jalopnik.com?

  • avatar
    retrogrouch

    The site is slower than my LeMons car and is glitchy as hell when I try to scroll. Those two factors combine to make for a painful experience.  I went from checking the site hourly or better to a couple times a week at most.  Now, I miss 98% of the stories.
    About half their quality articles disappeared when Sam and MM/Phil left.
     
    Oh well.  At least I found TTAC.

  • avatar
    Beene

    Ray, I’m glad to see you stop by to comment.

    I really liked the old Jalopnik, and yes the format change drove me away.  That said, I’m not going to get into a back and forth about which site has better content.  That sounds like the old Car & Driver vs. Road & Track debate, and frankly there’s room in the magazine rack for both just like there’s room in the internet for both Jalopnik and TTAC.

    To be honest I couldn’t care less about site metrics, etc.  I like reading about cars, looking at the “ooh shiny” of the vehicles I could never afford and watch the idiot exploits of hoons.  I would have never known about the 24 Hours of Lemons if it wasn’t for Jalopnik.  The breaking point for me when it was more work than it was worth to read what I wanted.  I’ve never really been much of a commenter, so the comment system change didn’t matter to me.

    I assume I’m probably like a lot of people: I read the car blogs as a diversion from a mind-numbing job, mostly in bite-size portions.  The fact that I had a giant graphic taking up most of the screen space wasn’t helpful, and when I read on my laptop it was hard to navigate.  Form follows function, but in this case it didn’t.

    I know that Denton forced the redesign on everybody in the Gawker realm of sites, and I know you’ve all been left to deal with the crap that’s resulted.  That’s no fun, as anybody who has been forced to implement a crap process from upper management can tell you.  But here’s my take; until you or someone can convince Denton to revert back to what wasn’t broken you’ll have readers like me who simply just stay away.  No vitriol, no animosity, I’ll just stay away.

    Like I said before, there’s room for both Jalopnik and TTAC in the internet, so anything else is a preference.  Just understand, as I’m sure you’ve been told by a lot of emails, etc, that the redesign is the problem.

  • avatar

    I’m still a big Jalop fan, and they do consistently put up great pieces, what with Orosz being around. Maybe it’s because I haven’t kept too much track of the comments since Charles Barrett and POLAR stopped filling up the late night articles that I couldn’t care less about the new format, but whatever.  They still regularly have great, funny, interesting stuff on the site. I mean, I don’t read it like I did way back in the day when EVERY article was just brimming with class, but that’s probably more down to me than anything else.

  • avatar

    This was a rather fun read from all parties involved.

    And since Ray says the door is still open: Jack, I look forward to your next piece on Jalopnik.

  • avatar
    Dave56

    Hey, the way I see it they can do what ever they want with their web sites.  As a reader there’s only one thing I can do, not go back to the site.  I used to check it out daily, now I’ve deleted the site from my bookmarks.
    The thing that really cheesed me off, after making a major change that they obviously did not test before switching to, was their attitude towards their readers.  No one likes change, but they could have been a little much more understanding and communicative.  Telling readers “tough deal with it” isn’t the way to keep readers.
    The one good thing that came out of it is I now have found a few more interesting sites to take jalopnik’s place,  now I don’t need to ever go back.  Many of them seem to recycle the same stories so I won’t miss much.

    • 0 avatar
      xyzzy

      Telling readers “tough deal with it” isn’t the way to keep readers.

      That’s exactly what Car and Driver did after their unpopular redesign a few years ago.  They’re still using that redesign, but Csere is gone.

    • 0 avatar

      C/D said they were going to stick with the redesign, but they toned it down some even before Csaba left. One of the first things Alterman did was to commission another revamp, and it’s far more attractive.
      Of course, it reminds me of Automobile as much as anything, and the cannibalism between the two continues. Both mastheads are full of writers who did time across town in Ann Arbor, and this month Don Sherman is back at C/D. As far as I can tell, the differences are that C/D has a technical department (though it sometimes seems deprecated), and Automobile comes on better paper (but even that seems to have gotten thinner).

  • avatar
    ajla

    I thought things couldn’t get worse after they implemented the “Star Commenter” system, but then this redesign went and proved me wrong.
     
    At least Jalopnik is still way better than Deadspin.

  • avatar
    mcs

    Ray, when you redesigned your site, did you offer users a preview period? Always offer a preview period via a “preview our new site” button. After the switch, give them a link to the old site. There are plenty of examples out on the web.
     
    Try searching on “preview our new aite” and see http://www.usatoday.com/news/early-look-homepage.htm for examples.
     

    • 0 avatar
      nickaziz

      They did. All the gawker sites had beta.sitename.com accessible for months and it was covered in the press pretty widely. Not sure what the reaction was among laymen.

    • 0 avatar
      Jimal

      Covered in what press? Perhaps it could have been mentioned on their various sites? I am (was) a daily Jalopnik reader but I knew nothing of the redesign until it was launched. I asked about the beta test, since the site came online rather half-baked and I was told there was a beta test, but the product at launch didn’t have the functionality of something that was beta tested in the slightest.

  • avatar
    mazder3

    This is sort of off topic but does anyone have any theories as to why all of the Gawker sites got redesigned save one? You know, that NSFW one? The one that would be called The Truth About [Cats] here? It just seems odd that all of them got redesigned with the exception of that one.

  • avatar
    lilpoindexter

    Good Riddance to a site as relevant as the audio cassette. They can take their little stars and shove them.

  • avatar
    DeadInSideInc

    1) Amazing quote:
    “a variety of amazingly hipster-ish, emotionally brittle, prematurely balding, unbelievably annoying New York wannabe-fems whose collective asses could probably have been easily kicked by either my twelve-year-old self or a particularly aggrieved kitten,” –
     
    2) The content move towards more “picture” or “video” of car/stupid car/boat/plane filler with no analysis/debate/critique has taken J off my daily list. The lack of Murilee-type articles (think deep dives into auto-randomness) only exacerbates this.
     
    3)The J commenters are now useless.

  • avatar
    xyzzy

    Whenever I see a redesign in which the web programmers got out of control and ruined the functionality, I always think of this old IBM ad:

     
    It’s over 10 years old but it’s still relevant today, as Jalopnik is proving.

  • avatar
    Dr Lemming

    It’s telling how much Ray camped out at TTAC today.  Major damage control.

  • avatar
    tekdemon

    I used to read Jalopnik every single day, and comment on multiple articles.  But after they did that horrible update I often literally could not check the website because it goes batsh*t on some mobile devices and even on a regular computer if it’s not fairly high powered the site runs like horse crap.  And even on a fast computer the new site runs like crap if you don’t have a perfect internet connection either since the code doesn’t load right (mostly a problem when traveling to places with lousy internet).  They made their own site hideous, hard to navigate, and literally unreadable on several devices.  Even on the desktop it’s a complete mess because the way the right sided navigation panel is coded makes it literally unusable when you have a narrow sized window.  If I stack two browser windows side by side on my monitor I can no longer see the stupid navigation panel, and I can’t use the horizontal scroll bar to make it visible…why the hell would you code a navigation panel that nobody can see unless they make your browser window gigantically wide?!
    Oh sure, I can force it to run in the classic blogesque mode but forcing your users to jump through hoops to get a semblance of sanity does not exactly make people want to visit the site.  In all honestly I’d be shocked if they didn’t really lose that 75% of users because I sure as hell visit a lot less than 25% of what I used to. And if you look at the number of people commenting compared to how it used to be it actually looks like they killed something more like 90% of their visitor base.
     

  • avatar
    tonyola

    The more I read, the more I’m convinced that Jack Baruth is just airing his little personal vendetta here in the guise of a newsworthy story. How Fox of him.

    • 0 avatar
      Dr Lemming

      Vendetta?  Eh, boys will be boys.  It was a fun read and Jalop does deserve some criticism, at least in my view.
       
      Each to his own taste.  I found that as my free time dried up I drifted away from Jalop.  The postings tended to be too trite and the structure of the comments was too high schoolish. That said, I’ve always enjoyed reading your comments (even when I disagreed with them).

    • 0 avatar
      scottcom36

      And look how smoothly you worked YOUR vendetta into your comment! I guess Baruth should take it as a compliment then?

    • 0 avatar
      tonyola

      Dr. Lemming:
       
      Thanks for the compliment. Oh yes, I agree that Jalopnik has some real problems, and I haven’t shied away from criticism both there and here. But Jack has lowered himself by cheap shots about Denton’s personal life, unsubtleties like the Titanic picture, and an overall snippy tone.

    • 0 avatar
      tonyola

      scottcom36:
       
      I have no vendetta and I have no agenda here except to express my disappointment with and disapproval of Jack’s article.

    • 0 avatar
      Jack Baruth

      Tony,
       
      I’m an occasional Jalopnik contributor, a fairly constant reader in the pre-redesign era, and I’m personal friends with several people on the staff.
      If I have an axe to grind with Ray, it’s news to me.

  • avatar
    itsgotvtakyo

    I want to see Baruth driving angry and coming up on this Wert clown into a tight corner with no runoff area.

    • 0 avatar

      Jack wouldn’t do that. He knows I’d brake hard and he’d crash into me.
       
      Also, I probably wouldn’t be going fast enough to worry about taking the corner too tightly I couldn’t wind out to the far edge.
       
      Jack’s a much better track driver than I am or probably ever will be. And I’m OK with that.

    • 0 avatar
      itsgotvtakyo

      :thumbsup
      He probably has more legitimate driving credibility than any other contributor or commenter on this site. All internet tough guy hyperbole aside, kudos for defending your site and answering criticisms. It doesn’t make me okay with the new layout but it’s marginally refreshing to see a reasonable defense in the face of overwhelming opposition. I wouldn’t go so far as to say the redesign and my subsequent abandonment of jalopnik “saddened” me but I did enjoy the content and made at least one visit a day and now I don’t. I’m not a programmer, designer or anything more than a causal internet user but it seems to me like I’m a part of a pretty large demographic that should be catered to. That’s enough thoughtful and reasoned commentary for me for one day, lets return to our regularly scheduled programming of internet racing and calling each other gay.

  • avatar
    bodegabob

    You know what’s even better than a sissy-boy slap party?
     
    A sissyboy-slap party inside another sissyboy slap-party that references a nerdfight.
     
    That’s all from me. Carry on.

  • avatar
    Autojunkie

    I love Jalopnik, but it truly is a disaster! I feel bad for them knowing they have to tow the company line on this one. I don’t think the contributors, the real money-makers, care for it much either.

    It’s only nearly as annoying as when TTAC keeps logging me out all of the time…

    • 0 avatar
      M 1

      It’s only nearly as annoying as when TTAC keeps logging me out all of the time…
       
      Ha! I’ve never seen this mentioned. I was sure I must be the only victim. I feel like a choir boy about to sue the Catholic church.

  • avatar
    M 1

    Over the years, Jalop quickly slumped into just-another-Autoblog, a site that exemplifies blog-mediocrity. The truth is that Jalop was really only good for the first two years or so. Once Jalop began cross-posting Autoblog articles on a regular basis, I knew it was time to leave, the chemical castration was complete and the decline had begun in earnest.

    • 0 avatar

      It’s not just another Autoblog (Autoblog is a lot better). Jalopnik is to AB what Gizmodo is to Engadget: covering everything! Because of Steve McQueen and Transformers Jalopnik is the worst car website with the smallest amount of readable content. I don’t go to it for news. I don’t go to it for commentary. I don’t go there for funny pictures. Jalopnik is the shame of Gawker.

  • avatar
    LennyZ

    I agree that the Jalopnik redesign was a disaster but the tone of this series of posts has hit an all time low.  Personal attacks on people should not be tolerated.  The site is about cars.  Maybe when their stats are affected then the editors will start editing comments.

  • avatar
    obbop

    Nobody asked me but that has NEVER even slightly slowed me from spewing blather:
     
    “blink” tags!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    The more the better!!!!!!!!
    Jump out and grab those eyeballs and yank ’em in!!!!!!!
     
    Then frames!!!!! Multiple frames!!!!!!! A dozen per page. Maybe more!!!!!!

  • avatar

    I’m not going to say anything about what the other commentors here have said, because a lot of what I have to say would be just repeating their points, in better or worse phrasing.
     
    What I will mention is the completely underhanded skeevy crap that they kept doing (and probably continue to do) in promoting their “gallery view” for actual content posts and not pictures, and hiding or discouraging the SINGLE. PAGE. VIEW.
     
    This smacks heartily of desperation, click-inflation-schemes, and all that is completely wrong with the internet. I brought it up numerous times, called them out at every opportunity when they were constantly leaving the single page view link off of their multi-page click through seven to ten pages of crap just to read blurbs on pics because HEY–YOU DON’T WANT THE SLOW TO LOAD PAGE! Telling your fucking bread-and-butter, your USERS what they want or don’t want is inexcusable, and you are now reaping your rewards for your arrogance, Jalopnik. I haven’t been back, I won’t be back unless you steal Robert Farago away from TTAG http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com and install him as head poobah and give him a decade-long contract with complete creative control (and redesign the site to user suggested specifications).  You even did that making users click and click and click and click for MOAR comments to read, I’ll bet you count comment view clicks as pageviews in your systems, don’t you?!?
     
    The comments section used to be fun, but I wouldn’t know how it is now because I haven’t been back since the horriffic redesign. I *tried* using the blog format, but even that wouldn’t work for me properly, and RSS readers DO NOT blow up content to make it readable on my HDTV I’m using as a monitor, so even that option is denied to me. Plus, I’m sure you don’t provide the entire article for reading, you probably have to click through to your mangled website to read an entire post! It’s been awhile, and I don’t really miss you, Jalopnik. Sure I may miss what you once were, or the possibilities of what you could have been, but I don’t see any realistic way for you to redeem yourself.
     
    We were PAYING you with our TIME and ATTENTION. Too bad you had to take it for granted and squander all the goodwill you had built up with your community over the years.

  • avatar

    Several comments:
    – @psarhjinian “It’s the same homogenization that’s killing print and TV” You’re on the money here. It’s the “Reaganization” of America, where the appearance of competence becomes more substantial than actual substance.
    – the 133 comments (as of my reading) on Baruth’s usually flame-war inspired writing suggest that Jalop is not dead. The site redesign is more difficult to follow, but I find I remain a frequent visitor as TTAC and Jalopnik are pointed in different directions, thankfully.
    – I’m not sure what Baruth was thinking about when he commented on the sexual preferences of Gawker’s leader. Who gives a crap? When I’m reading Jack’s usually outsized boasts about his driving ability, I am occasionally reminded of compensation, but it seems altogether impolite, insensitive and unnecessary to mention it.

    • 0 avatar
      Jack Baruth

      edgett,
       
      If you want information regarding my dong you can ask either
       
      a) the TSA
      b) any statistically representative sample of women working in the auto industry
       
      Gawker has made a lot of hay “outing” people. Denton is openly gay. It’s a big part of his public persona. It’s no different than referring to tacky-colored Audis or brown shoes when discussing yours truly.
       
       

  • avatar

    I enjoyed reading this commentary. It reminded me that we don’t all have to agree even though we are all part of the same community/culture/whatever.
     

  • avatar
    gessvt

    Jalopnik is like your old college buddy who kicks you in the stones from behind when you’re hitting on a coed.  You stay mad for a few hours, but then it’s all good.
     
    That said, the gold star commenter thing seems reserved for hipsters only, and I wish they would change that.

  • avatar
    J_Orbit

    I’m a former gawker fan (jalopnik, i09, deadspin). I have to say the stats are probably correct. I’ve been back a handful of times more out of habit than anything but I don’t visit any of the sites 1/100th as much as I used to. It’s not just the redesign (which by all accounts is tough to navigate and doesn’t even display properly on some browsers) it’s that Jalopnik has always been lacking in content and now that they’ve obscured the comment section it’s totally lost it’s appeal. I think that jalopnik began relying too heavily on the fact that much of the content that brings in visitors was written by others for free. There’s also a very pervasive smug attitude; the writers often seem to think they’re too clever for the rest of us and instead of fact-based reviews we get sappy hyperbole and snooty attempts at humor. Guys, we’re there to read about cars, not to read your verbal wankery. What’s worse is that much of the commentariat had become mindless bandwagon donkeys who parrot whatever buzz word or jalop-meme that’s popular that week. The whole thing became a big circle-jerk.

    I’m pretty sure these stats are going to get someone’s attention and they’re going to scramble to un-do the damage but I’m afraid in this ADD-addled internet age it’s far too late. I’m amazed they’re even lumped in with other auto mags/blogs and invited to review new cars anymore.

    As far as I’m concerned TTAC, Insideline, Speed Sport Life and EVO have all my needs covered.

  • avatar
    panzerfaust

    Ya’ll should lay off Jack, this thread and the subsequent faux urinating contest has probably done Jalopnik more good in the last 24 hours than anything they’ve done for themselves. I’d watch for a spike in Sitemeter, or whatever it is they’re not using now.

  • avatar
    rwb

    Is it true Ray Wert is unable to drive a manual transmission?

  • avatar
    oboylepr

    “[whatever men who have sex with other men have decided is a permissible term for that particular inclination this week]”
    Reminds me of an aviation safety report I read where [the structural integrity of the aircraft-ground interface was lost]   Translation: The tire burst!
    LOL! it’s a pity there is no way I can show you what my monitor looks like with coffee all over it! Thanks for the laugh Jack although I hope I don’t offend you by saying that as I am assuming that humour was behind that remark. BTW, keep up the good work

    • 0 avatar
      panzerfaust

      My favorite is one that ran around aviation circles when I was involved; and is probably more lore than fact: ’cause of class A mishap was impact with ground.’

  • avatar
    sexyhammer

    Hey Wert,
     
    I have to let you know I was less bothered by the change in the site’s layout than I was by the serious void of interesting content that I find now. In particular, I feel that QOTD has been grasping at straws seeings how everything under the sun has pretty much been discussed. Peter’s contributions make it seem like he’s phoning-it-in just to fulfill his contractual minimum. I can’t take anything written by Tom Joslin seriously, aside from being sloppy and boring he reminds me of someone who introduces themselves at a party as “kind of a car guy” – severely lacking in depth. He’s no Murilee Martin.
    The only thing I really enjoy at Jalopnik anymore is Graverobber’s NPOCP and the occasional Hyde article about something other than industry news. Sometimes Spinelli says something that makes me think he still gets it. I know I’m not alone.
    Jalopnik shouldn’t be Autoblog filtered through Gawker with an aftertaste of H.A.M.B. It should be a stripped-down reflection of what we all are at our cores: enthusiasts. I don’t really care about the new model lineup of economy cruisers and fleet cars coming out of Detroit or why I should be excited because some washed up white trash with a bad haircut lent his image and a decade-old song to it’s ads. Nor do I have the capacity to give one half of a fuck about the hype surrounding the ugly new design language that’s supposed to distract us from the fact that our cars are becoming increasingly autonomous and soul-crushingly boring. Why would I need to know that some super-premium bloatmobile that will only be released in certain markets but here’s what it will look like when it hits the streets in China?
    I want to read about new or evolving subcultures that spawned from one guy’s appreciation for his ride. If there’s a story behind the old beater that probably sits on blocks behind your parents’ house or under a cover in their garage, I want to identify with it and talk about the similar basket case rotting in the weeds at my uncle’s farm. More than anything I want to see the kind of crazy stuff turning up in junkyards around the country – or if for some inexplicable reason it survived the government’s attempt to force it to comply with some inane regulation and it still gets driven to the Piggly Wiggly every day, I’m dying to know how and why.
    Bring back the old OLD Jalopnik, Ray.
     

    • 0 avatar
      Acc azda atch

      sexyhammer:
       
      You absolutely get it right.
      Jalopnik used to be about wagons, french and swedish. It used to be about sticks and car/boat/ship/itecture.
       
      It used to be interesting / different and about old cars first and foremost.
       
      Now..
      The only thing the site has (Im struggling with ca.jalopnik.com on a 3yr old laptop with painfully slow runtimes) is a decent community. I was on clunkbucket (that took a messy smash) for a bit, with Hemmings and or Hooniverse being the most interesting.
       
      The current design and what the site covers is absolutely the opposite of what Ray said he’d plan to forge ahead and be Jalopnik’s new purpose. Most of that is the Toyota bashing (which is absolutely JUST, just not for advertising.)
       
      One of these days..
      I just need to stop going and find my wagon love.. elsewhere.

  • avatar

    I’ll go back to Jalopnik when a CTRL+F “awesome” returns less than 10 results on their first page alone.
     
    The pseudo masculinity over there reeks worse than a can-full of AXE sprayed onto a Persian.
     
     

  • avatar
    obbop

    First comment was, of course, sarcastic.
     
    Silly me!!!!!!!
    After reading newest comments I hied over to the Jalopnik site and what did I see?
     
    A frame!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
    Only one but I WAS surprised to see frame usage!!!!!!!!!!!

  • avatar
    Mr Carpenter

    Jalopnik is absolutely bloody awful since the change, and I simply can’t navigate it – so I’ve given up on it entirely.  Instead of a couple times a day, I might visit once a week. 

    If I’m “typical” then that would largely explain a lot! 

  • avatar
    ellomdian

    Between Mr. Baruth’s… dubious… comments about the sexual nature of the owner of Gawker, Ray’s emphatic defense of the site (and I might add, perfect stooge defense of the party line, no offense) and the general response of the commentariat echoing the stat-tracking-pocalypse, this is downright juicy.
    I occasionally check Gawker sites now, instead of the multiple times a day I used to. Not ashamed to admit I was put off by the step-childing of fleshbot a while ago, the leak was amusing from an ITSec standpoint, and the redesign being forced down the readers throats is downright amusing. Jalopnik is going to become a small fish in a big pond very quickly.

  • avatar
    SpinnyD

    Before the redesign i would go to jalopnik and Gizmodo religiously, after, Not so much. The redesigns are terrible and they don’t seem to want to change it back or improve it at all, so I stopped going.

  • avatar
    dulcamara

    I got sick of J*nik when they went with * comments and the associated police. I then found out that I like autoblog better and TTAC much better. I kept up with the good parts of the content until the site redesign and then gave up. I keep trying to read J*nik and Gizmodo but the new interface makes it more trouble than it’s worth.
    Engadget has better content that Giz and gets invited to Apple events, by the way.

    • 0 avatar
      Acc azda atch

      dulcamara
       
      Upon checking out every car site on the net.. I figured out a few things.
      1. Its hard to find a car site, updated every 1/2hr from 8a-5p with fresh and interesting info.
      2. Its hard to keep a wide eye on the car industry without going into specific makes and or models, like the various Ford, GM, Honda, VW specific sites.
      3. The forums is a big deal and easily makes or break a site. The organization of the site is also equally important.
       
      P.S
      The reason why GIZ isn’t invited.. is cause the are CRITICAL of the issues going on over at Apple. Which is to say, its not a bad thing about not being invited to a tech event. Some things.. just land on ya, or get dropped off at a bar.
       
      Jalop is critical about the cars they review. How rare is that…
       
      As much as I talk up the site, i can equally bash it.

      1. It used to be about wagons, hatches and sticks and being different. They are 1 SUV / CUV review away from being R&T, C&D.
      2.They pander to facespace / twatter for sheer numbers.
      3. There is no more old car info and they dont put up answers for QOTD’s!
      4. It was a site about jalopys… now its about a rusty 5yr old M-B that everyone knows about that really doesn’t like.
      5. The Tech support and the ability to try and get help.. is POOR!!!! I’m sure gawker pays a lot of people to do coding for the various sites and some are just retarded. Im sick and tired of having issues through the company and having it ignored.
      6. If ya call them ya get a answering machine with no sense of having a problem resolved.
      7. — I’m also quite big in the History of the RMS TITANIC and not to get horribly gruesome, if they would have just turned left… and kept on going.. they would have easily gone past the iceberg and saved 1500 people the massive lost of life. The ship from the start was about POLITICS. From the boats, to the Captain and who was actually in charge that night. TO how that very night.. bankrupted the company.. and handed it over to CUNARD.

      8. I realize.. No one really gives a shit about some CAR BLOG, but if ya would have just left it alone and polished it, or added more specific content and kept it “JALOPY”. I also know that no matter how any of us complain.. it really wont get us anywhere.

      And for that.. I admit how much it blows, but what other car site besides the Camry of the auto blog world == AUTOBLOG fills that void?

  • avatar
    grzydj

    Apparently Gawker sports side Deadspin (not to be confused with the popular meatspin) was hungry enough for page views that they posted Charlie Sheen’s phone number. I wanted to phone ol’ Chuck and tell him that I liked his work in Ferris Buller’s Day Off, but I wasn’t able to find the article on the site.
     
    http://blogs.forbes.com/kashmirhill/2011/03/08/deadspin-publishes-charlie-sheens-phone-number/
     

  • avatar
    mnm4ever

    Ray,

    Thanks for stopping by to clear the air so to speak.  But, here is the deal… if you KNOW there is a problem, then drop the new site design and go back to the old one.  Its a total POS, and I dropped going to your site because of it.  If you agree, then why do we still have to deal with it?  You even still have the ca.jalop site up, all you need to do is change your DNS pointers, jeesh.

    And, since you are here… take notes.  See how well this site works?  See how all the comments appear?  See how we get notified properly of new comments??  See how the site doesnt crash and the ads arent intrusive?

    One more thing… your content isnt that great.  Justin is good, I liked his articles.  Another favorite was NPOCP.  I stayed for a while after the redesign just for that.  But when the polls became invisible and useless, and I couldnt comment either… screw it.  Plus it was getting pretty stupid too… one post after another of some blinged out gangsta-mobile that was obviously CP.

    So I dropped it and havent been back.  I dont miss all the useless articles, postings by people who dont even know crap about cars… photo posts… blog entries that read more like tweets.  In the end you will probably do fine, and you wont really care about any of this.  Good for you…

  • avatar
    Jaywalker

    Don’t know if Jalopnik looks good or not – it doesn’t display at all on my browser. I run NoScript and am willing to “temporarily allow Jalopnik,” but I’m not going to run down the list of other possible scripts that might be required. So long, Jalopnik…

  • avatar
    gregt

    Jack –
    We disabled sitemeter on all Gawker Media sites as we found it to not track accurately with ajax content loading.
    -Greg, Gawker product lead

  • avatar
    jerseydevil

    really bad design.  cant move around, it a colossal failure.  i’ve been there a few times lately, it sucks.  what a shame, its a good site.

Read all comments

Back to TopLeave a Reply

You must be logged in to post a comment.

Recent Comments

  • 3SpeedAutomatic: As a back end Baby Boomer, I find the whole car purchase exercise the most humiliating event in...
  • DenverMike: In unrelated news, GM is busy denying warranty claims on 8-speed transmissions, common to millions of...
  • DenverMike: What else don’t they like? Older buyers are just so used to the [email protected] [email protected], they don’t see it for what it...
  • bullnuke: As you have gone off topic, would a massacre with a machete have been preferable? No silly 2nd Amendment to...
  • ToolGuy: “What more could I have asked for?” I once had a new vehicle delivered to me at my office and we...

New Car Research

Get a Free Dealer Quote

Who We Are

  • Adam Tonge
  • Bozi Tatarevic
  • Corey Lewis
  • Jo Borras
  • Mark Baruth
  • Ronnie Schreiber