Piston Slap: Autoblog Gets Piston Slapped

Sajeev Mehta
by Sajeev Mehta

Will writes:

Hello, Don Sajeev! Over on Autoblog, I read Jonny Lieberman’s post on the Aston Martin 177 and it’s inboard shocks. I am not sure I will ever have to deal with this, but what is the deal with reducing unsprung weight as much as possible? I don’t understand: Is it just about greater control of the vehicle+motion through shocks & springs, or is it something greater? It would be nice to find out what El Mehtador + the Piston Slap community thinks about this.

Sajeev answers:

Yup, Lieberman’s right. Less unsprung weight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsprung_mass) means more grip on uneven surfaces and therefore better control, especially when you nail the throttle post-apex on a bumpy road. But . . .

There’s always a but: Aston didn’t grab the low hanging fruit from their gigantic wheels and outboard brakes. Inboard brakes (a la vintage Jaguars, http://www.cwiinc.com) and smaller wheels are probably a better way to lessen unsprung weight. Of course, that takes away from the Aston’s flash factor which is unbelievably important at this asking price and for this James Bond-associated brand.

But, still, again: the One-77’s twanky-inch rolling/stopping stock is complete overkill for its 3300lb curb weight. Even über-expensive BMW tuner Steve Dinan avoids wheels larger than 19″ for ideal tread grip and less unsprung mass. Proof positive is the current M3’s available 18″ wheels: the smaller wheels are faster around a road course. According to Dinan, that is.

Oversize wheels aside, increasing unsprung weight isn’t that bad. Take my Lego-like Fox-body Mercury Cougar: after installing some cheapo (sorry, Bertel) Chinese-casted 17×8.5″ wheels (at least 15 pounds heavier than the 15″x7″ stockers) and fully boxing the lower control arms (a common, low-buck Mustang upgrade), the car rode better and cornered with more solidity/confidence on the street. Which made my first interstate jaunt with the new parts an eye opener: putting the 6-speed stick into super cruise mode, the Cougar barreled down the highway, obliterating pavement joints like an E-Class Benz. A ghetto-engineered E-class, but, still, the car felt more confident and less darty.

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  • Saracen Saracen on Sep 10, 2009

    It's irrelevant. The One-77 is simply a rolling art and design showcase. Just stare at the photos in awe.

  • Niky Niky on Sep 11, 2009

    It's not the bigger wheels or smaller wheels that make the difference in the ride... it's the proper matching of the weight of those wheels and brakes to the suspension. A suspension designed with lightweight wheels in mind will give a very choppy ride with heavier, bigger, wheels... which tend to increase oscillation over bumps and overwork the dampers. I've driven quite a few cars where the owners (or dealerships) tried to improve the handling with bigger wheels. Doesn't always work. And sometimes it can lead to unintended consequences... like poor wheel control and axle-hop going sideways... never a nice thing to find out when you're driving at the limit of grip. Less weight is usually better... both sprung and unsprung. Renault's work with the R26R allowed them to actually use softer dampers, because they had less weight to deal with. Heavy cars that handle well often have an awfully choppy ride... especially combined with the big, heavy wheels they need to fit to go around the massive brakes they attach to these things. Which is why BMW's switch to runflats was an epic fail... suspensions designed to work with regular tires were overwhelmed by the extra weight of the runflat rubber. Their newer cars ride a bit better on the standard runflats, but I doubt that they can find any solution to the incredibly jittery ride over small, low frequency bumps due to the uber-stiff sidewalls.

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