Health Care Reform Bills Contain $10 Billion UAW Health Care "Contribution"

Robert Farago
by Robert Farago

The Detroit Free Press reports there’s “a $10-billion provision tucked deep inside thousands of pages of health care overhaul bills that could help the UAW’s retiree health-care plan and other union-backed plans. It would see the government — at least temporarily — pay 80 cents on the dollar to corporate and union insurance plans for claims between $15,000 and $90,000 for retirees age 55 to 64.” So the union giveth: accepting stock in GM and Chrysler in place of future, theoretical contributions to their health care VEBA (in addition to $3 billion cash payments). And the union taketh: scarfing $10 billion in federal health care payments. Did the UAW know this was coming down the pike? As the hunter in Jurassic Park said just before the raptors tore him to pieces, “clever girl.” The autoblogosphere is alight with accusations of “union payoff.” And for good reason . . .

Outside experts estimate the [union VEBA] funds have about 30 cents in cash for every dollar of future claims, with no guarantee of what its stock assets will be worth. Lance Wallach, a New York-based VEBA expert, says if the funds “don’t get something, they’re out of business in 12 years.”

So to the taxpayer well we go. Repeatedly.

John Sheils, vice president of the Lewin Group, a health care research firm owned by a United Healthcare subsidiary, said the [temporary, public option bridging] money likely will run out in less than two years. Then, like with the recent cash-for-clunkers clamor, Congress could feel obligated to add money to the program.

“From a political perspective, I think it’s very, very difficult for the Congress to actually close down programs,” Sheils said. “This is something people could get used to very quickly.”

[Thanks to all for the link.]

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  • Anonymous Anonymous on Aug 26, 2009

    psarhjinian mitchim Compassion! Look all mirrors have been removed from my house, but not for the reason of guilt. I just can't take the aging look. But I live comfortably in my self love and gratification. But this is TTAC, where we shout about excessiveness. As I explain in my discussions with my Christian friends, IF you TRULLY had compassion, if you TRULY felt the need to make life good and fair for the poor and downtrodden...you would have but a fraction of your own possessions. What car do you drive? How many? How much money saved? Should you have any after giving it to the truly needy? You should in all consciousness have a small, economical everyday commuter. How many closets have you filled with more clothing and shoes than you can wear in a week? Why do you? Do you remember Sister Theresa? How many cars owned by this truly compassionate person? Here it is. IF you were the compassionate person you say you are there would be so little to your world the rest of the earth's inhabitants would be awash in its gifts. But you would rather feel good, to sleep at night knowing you made a contribution today at church. You took from me so you can give to others. This is your compassion. Not just give up your luxuries, but to make all of us part of your confession. Don't talk about compassion. You have no idea what it is. You only understand self riotousness. It doesn't belong on TTAC, where we brag and swim in decadence.

  • Mitchim Mitchim on Aug 27, 2009

    Wow has this gone south! my "POINT" was that responsibility has some to do with compassion but more to do with being socially responsible. Tax dollars spent on keeping your people healthy is not BAD. At the same time you have to beleave that MOST people are good about it. The bad folk have to deal with there ill conditions brought about themselves ex. Tobacco Taxes. As a smoker I am sure that I am paying in through here! If I had it my way I would pay for all my healthcare, build my own roads, and pay myself while I am unemployed ect... NOT GONA HAPPEN

  • Honda1 Unions were needed back in the early days, not needed know. There are plenty of rules and regulations and government agencies that keep companies in line. It's just a money grad and nothing more. Fain is a punk!
  • 1995 SC If the necessary number of employees vote to unionize then yes, they should be unionized. That's how it works.
  • Sobhuza Trooper That Dave Thomas fella sounds like the kind of twit who is oh-so-quick to tell us how easy and fun the bus is for any and all of your personal transportation needs. The time to get to and from the bus stop is never a concern. The time waiting for the bus is never a concern. The time waiting for a connection (if there is one) is never a concern. The weather is never a concern. Whatever you might be carrying or intend to purchase is never a concern. Nope, Boo Cars! Yeah Buses! Buses rule!Needless to say, these twits don't actual take the damn bus.
  • MaintenanceCosts Nobody here seems to acknowledge that there are multiple use cases for cars.Some people spend all their time driving all over the country and need every mile and minute of time savings. ICE cars are better for them right now.Some people only drive locally and fly when they travel. For them, there's probably a range number that works, and they don't really need more. For the uses for which we use our EV, that would be around 150 miles. The other thing about a low range requirement is it can make 120V charging viable. If you don't drive more than an average of about 40 miles/day, you can probably get enough electrons through a wall outlet. We spent over two years charging our Bolt only through 120V, while our house was getting rebuilt, and never had an issue.Those are extremes. There are all sorts of use cases in between, which probably represent the majority of drivers. For some users, what's needed is more range. But I think for most users, what's needed is better charging. Retrofit apartment garages like Tim's with 240V outlets at every spot. Install more L3 chargers in supermarket parking lots and alongside gas stations. Make chargers that work like Tesla Superchargers as ubiquitous as gas stations, and EV charging will not be an issue for most users.
  • MaintenanceCosts I don't have an opinion on whether any one plant unionizing is the right answer, but the employees sure need to have the right to organize. Unions or the credible threat of unionization are the only thing, history has proven, that can keep employers honest. Without it, we've seen over and over, the employers have complete power over the workers and feel free to exploit the workers however they see fit. (And don't tell me "oh, the workers can just leave" - in an oligopolistic industry, working conditions quickly converge, and there's not another employer right around the corner.)
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