Auntie Beeb's Anti-Car Crusade Continues

Robert Farago
by Robert Farago

So what if you’re a sub? Not a TTAC sub, of course, because guess what? The corporate mothership has heard your pleas and seen sense. The “sub or die” mandate has been withdrawn for the time being. More info on that tomorrow. Meanwhile, the Brits love affair with hating the cars they love continues.

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  • Slow_Joe_Crow Slow_Joe_Crow on Mar 13, 2009

    What this overlooks is that outside of the major cities the transit system in Britain is so thoroughly gutted that people are just as car dependent as they are in Kansas. Also there is still a time factor and a routing issue, if you need to change trains or buses 2-3 times per trip it's a strong negative. The guys on this forum http://districtdave.proboards39.com/index.cgi have some interesting input since many of them work for the London Underground, and the rest are transit enthusiasts. OTOH if you really want to haul a load without a car, you need one of these http://hpm.catoregon.org/?page_id=73

  • Hazard Hazard on Mar 13, 2009
    v65magnafan1 : March 13th, 2009 at 7:09 am Neb knows Toronto. My drive from work takes about half an hour . One day, a dead battery convinced me to try the TTC, Toronto’s poor excuse for a mass transit system. One bus, one subway, one bus. Two hours and fifteen minutes. I guess it depends where you live. My daily Toronto commute (Etobicoke->College St.) used to take about 40 mins. to 1 hour by the TTC (walk + bus + subway + walk or change subway + walk). The same route by car in rush hour via 427/Gardiner will easily take you AT LEAST as long, often longer. In fact if I had to drive the route during rush hour I'd take the streets (because the deadbeats from Missisauga only know to clog the Gardiner! Sorry to any Miss. deadbeats) instead of the highway, and still you can't get there in under 40 minutes, no way. Oh, and let's not mention the cost of parking! Fun, fun, fun! Granted, the drive at 2 am takes like 15 minutes. But that's 2 am...while the TTC ride outside of peak hours takes longer - no express bus, and if you miss the bus coming off the subway you can sit there waiting for the next one for up to 15-20 minutes. Btw, the sad thing is that the TTC is probably the 2nd best transit system in North America (after New York). So for me TTC > car in rush hour, car > TTC at any other time.
  • David C. Holzman David C. Holzman on Mar 13, 2009
    When cities are laid out such that places to work are all over the map, and places to live are likewise, it is not possible for mass transit to be efficient. Does that mean that all American cities should be laid out like NYC? Most people don’t seem to think so. Well, most developers don't think so. I live in suburban Boston, but I think NYC is a wonderful place, and I would be happy to live there if I could afford it. I suspect that if someone could plan and build a city as nice as NYC, people would flock to it, and that a lot of people would be just as happy, or maybe happier living in similarly densely populated environments. You can't just look at the way most of the US is laid out and say that's what people want. I doubt that many poeple really like commercial strips of the sort that are all over the US. People in general don't really have a say in how the US is developed. Developers give them what will make the developers the most money, and people don't really have a choice. Having said all that, it's obvious to me that outside of NYC, there are very few places in the US where traveling by public transit is faster than car. Or even bicycle. I lived in DC near the metro, and to go to my doctor;s office downtown took twice as long by metro as by either bicycle or car (40 minutes insetad of 20). I doubt Malcolm will keep spending the 1 hr and 15 minutes to get to work by bicycle and train when he can do it in 17 by car.
  • Geeber Geeber on Mar 13, 2009

    I've been to New York City. It's a nice place to visit, but, no, I do not want to live there. The surveys I've seen show that the majority of people want single family homes on a separate lot. They do not want to live in New York City. If people want to live in New York City - more power to them. Same with Philadelphia, Boston, San Francisco and Chicago. It's interesting to note that the well-to-do who do live in New York City usually also have a house in either upstate New York or rural Pennsylvania.

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