What Wrong With This Picture: Pontiac GXP Edition

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  • Chuckgoolsbee Chuckgoolsbee on Feb 12, 2009
    Jared: Look, you can blame Lutz for a lot of things. But you can’t blame him for the fact that state franchising laws prevent GM from preventing dealers from jacking up the price. You could blame your state legislators. You could blame your state’s voters who elected those legislators. You could blame the idiot dealers. But you can’t blame Lutz I wasn't really "blaming" Lutz. so much as pointing out to him WHY customers are abandoning GM in droves. He wants to blame the American consumer for his employer's problems. In reality GM, and their entire distribution channel is horrifically broken. We don't hate our industry, but it sure feels like the Industry hates us... as illustrated by this example so very well. --chuck
  • Joeaverage Joeaverage on Feb 13, 2009

    Call it capitalism but b/c it is a free country I'd take one look at that sticker and walk back out the door 'cause I can. I don't like to deal with people who would take advantage of me. Oh wait, that's why I haven't dealt with a dealer but once in my lifetime - instead buying used cars from private owners. It's also the reason that I do like the Saturn concept so much. A fair price for a fair piece of machinery and my deal is no better or worse than the guy before me or the guy after me. I'm not getting sized up "for what the market will bear" i.e. if they think they can screw me they will. Now this might be the way cars have been sold all over America for the past 75 years but it doesn't make it the right way to sell cars. Just shows that dealers can't break away from the mold or be creative about how they sell their product. If they can sock it to ya they will. I have long wanted a dealer that had rasonable prices to buy or sell a vehicle with OEM parts at reasonable prices. I fear they don't exist anywhere. I already know there is a 100%+ markup on parts from the manufacturer to me across the counter. A friend who worked for a VW/BMW dealer said that there was much more than that - more like a markup between departments within the same dealership... Pathetic. No wonder I cruise the web looking for OEM parts wholesalers. Can't deal with anyone local. And the fwd Grand Prix? My grandparents had one. It was a good car (reliable) but to me a real snoozer in styling and function. It was exactly like my mother and brother-in-law's Luminas with a wilder dash and slightly stiffer suspension. It did handle better than the average person needed a commuter car to of course. My grandparents got a decade of good use from it and moved on to a Lumina. I was neither attracted nor repulsed by the Grand Prix. I had a hard, hard time figuring out why it was named after a famous racetrack though. Nothing about it said racetrack. I guess a person could drive it to a racetrack and sit in the stands and watch the fast cars go... VBG!

  • MaxHedrm MaxHedrm on Feb 16, 2009

    @ jpcavanaugh: I had the same experience when I ordered my Audi TT 225 Roadster in 2000. There were none to be had, only 1 to drive. I ordered it in October 2000. It was delivered in February of 2001. It was $500 under invoice.

  • Jybt Jybt on Mar 06, 2009

    Well, the news has just broke that the G8 GXP indeed had incentives piled on its hood to drop its price to 36K. http://wot.motortrend.com/6467993/dealers/fast-is-cheap-incentives-drop-g8-gxp-to-36310-charger-srt8-to-34516/index.html Anyone thinking irony?

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