By on December 9, 2008

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  • avatar
    NickR

    That is hilarious. Could have been a myriad of choices for vehicles.

  • avatar

    Poor choice of vehicle: should be an Aztek.

  • avatar
    fisher72

    This seems like a Bill Maher joke.

    I would have like a cryseler pictured though.

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    psarhjinian

    No, the Windstar is a good choice. Ford pretty much phoned that one home: no design, no innovation, no quality, just the cheapest, blandest box on wheels they could kick out the door. A Sienna without the redeeming features. The Aztek, at least, had character.

    Now, the GM vans of the same period were marginally more powerful, at the expense of being much more ugly. Chrysler’s entries weren’t too bad, if you omitted the transmission from the equation.

    I think the last Cavalier and current Sebring deserve a spot of their own.

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    geeber

    The Windstar probably had the worst drivetrain since GM saw fit to curse us with the Oldsmobile Diesel. Owners were guaranteed to experience head-gasket failure with the 3.8 V-6 and transmission failure.

    The Windstar, and the Taurus and Sable equipped with that same 3.8 V-6, are big reasons that Ford is in its current pickle.

  • avatar
    RedStapler

    Text of the copy:

    You probable thought it was smart to buy a foreign import of superior quality, with better mileage and resale value. Maybe you even thought that years of market share loss might prod up into rethinking our process and redesigning our products with better quality in mind. But you forgot one thing: We spend a shitload of money on lobbyist. So now you’re out $25 billion, plus the cost of your Subaru. Maybe next time you”ll buy American like a real man. Either way, we’re cool.

    Below the three logos:

    We’re the Big Three. We Don’t Need to Compete. TM

  • avatar
    Richard Chen

    I had that Windstar as a weekend rental, and it didn’t take long to dislike it. Uncomfortable for the driver, but especially the poor rear seat passengers.

    Anyone remember how Ford dropped the ball on the driver’s side sliding door on the original Windstar because focus groups didn’t like it? Chrysler just went ahead and put it in, and Ford responded with the goofy King Door and tip-up driver’s seat. Funny, can’t seem to find the picture that featured Jacques Nasser (I think) letting a few kids out that way.

  • avatar
    dgduris

    Where’s the UAW Seal?

    And, I bet my Subaru has better resale than will this bailout in 12 months.

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    geeber: the newer Windstar pictured there doesn’t have the headgasket motor and are pretty durable from what I’ve seen (post offices and day laborers use them here) and from what Steven Lang knows on his side of the business.

    psarhjinian : No, the Windstar is a good choice. Ford pretty much phoned that one home: no design, no innovation, no quality, just the cheapest, blandest box on wheels they could kick out the door. A Sienna without the redeeming features. The Aztek, at least, had character.

    So having deplorable character is the lesser of two evils? There are plenty of poor choices in Detroit’s portfolio, but I’d go for maximum impact.

  • avatar
    revhigh

    A buddy had an Aztek. Even he said that there were three engineers that designed the body. One designed the front, one designed the left side, and one disigned the right side, the problem was the the three engineers never met each other.

    REVHIGH

  • avatar
    Gary Numan

    Since Congress is making our tax dollars be given to Detroit, will all members of Congress now be required to only buy and drive Detroit big 3 branded vehicles produced within the United States?

    How about all lobbyists? Should they be required to as well….and what about all Gov’t employees? They only reason they have a job is to support those of us who work outside of the gov’t sector and we are the producers of wealth that the gov’t supports. Shouldn’t all USA gov’t employees now be required to only buy and drive Detroit brand vehicles and produced here in the states.

    Hmmmm.

    Think about this very hard.

    Because if a bailout passes, then that means it is a majority decision and thus, shouldn’t ALL members of congress now be held to a new standard? They will have passed it right?

    Interesting times indeed.

  • avatar
    EEGeek

    Where’s the UAW Seal?

    Agreed! The UAW ring needs to be atop the other three logos, larger than any of them, with the following inscription:

    One ring to rule them all, and in the darkness bind them.

  • avatar
    hal

    Is TTAC posting the work of others without attribution now?
    http://buffalobeast.com/133/bigthree.jpg

  • avatar
    kipp

    Can the united states nationalize subaru? Just buy it, and make all employees American Citizens?

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    200k-min

    At least the Windstar/Freestar has some balls under the hood. My brother drives company cars and his Freestar was replaced with the new Caravan. What a gutless wonder that thing is. At least the Ford could adequately move 4+ adults at highway speeds.

  • avatar

    Effing Brilliant!

    –chuck

  • avatar
    Areitu

    I remember the Winstar as somewhat pleasing, with a rattly motor and very bland driving characteristics. Not bad for a cheap people mover, though.

    Also, I agree with earlier comments. “Build with Pride by the UAW” is missing.

    kipp :
    December 9th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    Can the united states nationalize subaru? Just buy it, and make all employees American Citizens?

    Remember, foreign company does not mean foreign workers!

  • avatar
    NN

    better yet, if America simply invades and annexes Japan, then we’d have a lot more “Made in the USA” cars–and they’re would be some real good ones, too!

  • avatar
    RobertSD

    Well, if this were truth in advertising (so many people don’t seem to care about the truth right now), a Ford vehicle would be a very inappropriate vehicle to have on that flyer. Ford isn’t receiving any government money in the talks currently happening (at least right now – can’t speak for late-2009/early-2010 or if GM/Chrysler go under).

    But I suppose it’s much easier just to hate the entire realm of American automakers than think…

  • avatar
    msowers1

    These Windstar/Aerostar were awful vehicles. Head gaskets, transmissions all had over a 50%+ failure rate at 60k. Brake rotors, steering racks…………..anything mechanical was of poor durability.

  • avatar
    frizzlefry

    My first car was an Aerostar. 1990. Engine had to be replaced at 68,000km.

    My current car (that I am returning to the dealer in January thank god) is a 2006 Ford Focus. I had leased a 2005 Focus before that but it the brakes would fail. The booster looses pressure in high altitudes. I had it in 7 times, no fix. I ended up rear-ending someone because the brakes flaked out again. After which I found a service bulletin (not a recall!) for the brakes using google that the dealership did not know about. They applied it and the brakes still did not work properly. I threatened to sue them for the 4 grand I spent fixing the bodywork and demanded that I be let out of my lease. They agreed to let me out of the lease…as long as I leased a 2006 Focus…which also has the same brake issue. And they lawyered up when I pressed them on covering the cost of bodywork on the 2005 focus.

    Ford deserves to go under. They made crap back then and they make crap now. A company that cannot get the brakes right certainly have no business building cars.

  • avatar
    brush

    Now I know where Ford Australia got it’s AU Falcon front end looks from (barf). Thanks Ford NA.

  • avatar
    Steven Lang

    This would have been my top ten for the pic…

    1) Chevy Aveo
    2) Pontiac G3
    3) Hummer H3
    4) Pontiac Torrent
    5) Dodge Durango
    6) Dodge Nitro
    7) Mercury Grand Marquis
    8) Saturn Ion
    9) Any Chrysler with Robert Nardelli at the helm
    10) Any GM Car with Bob Lutz at the helm

    Notice that I only have one Ford on the list. There’s a reason for that these days, and it goes well beyond the ‘look’.

    As for the Windstar, they guzzle gas. But a well kept one will usually last well past the 200k mark. If you remember to change the damned tranny fluid it’ll last a very long while. Most folks simply don’t.

  • avatar
    CommanderFish

    200k-min

    The optional 4.0L in the latest Chrysler minivans does 0-60 in 8.1 seconds. Crappy by sports car standards, but for comparison’s sake that’s neck and neck/slightly ahead of an Odyssey at 8.2 seconds.

    Before you give me the crap about the Odyssey having a smaller engine, the fuel economy for 4.0L GC/T&C vs the non-VCM 3.5L Odyssey is the exact same at 16/23

  • avatar
    RobertSD

    My first car was a 1992 Aerostar. The only failure was a brake line around 90,000 miles. It died when I fell asleep at the wheel doing 70 mph and crashed into a highway overpass. It had 180,000 miles on it.

    Most people I knew with Aerostars had no problems. It wasn’t until Ford did a hack job on the 3.8 and the Taurus platform to build the Windstar that things started really sucking.

  • avatar
    50merc

    The fake ad is hilarious.

    geeber: “The Windstar probably had the worst drivetrain since GM saw fit to curse us with the Oldsmobile Diesel. Owners were guaranteed to experience head-gasket failure with the 3.8 V-6 and transmission failure.”

    Maybe I’d better speak up as devil’s advocate. I’ve owned two Windstars. I’d rented them for long trips and found they fit me just right. Plus, a one or two year old Windstar can be bought real cheap. I drove the ’98 to 90K without a glitch. The ’03’s tranny failed at 60K. Probably a design flaw, but I can’t rule out that it was abused before I got the car. No problems with the 3.8 in either case. Anecdotal evidence, sure, but those are my anecdotes. And for what it’s worth, from ’02 on CU shows Windstar/Freestar engines and transmissions to good reliability. Guess I was lucky with the ’98.

  • avatar
    npbheights

    the bailout, at $83.00 a person (25B divided by 300M) is so much cheaper than actually having to own a domestic. Considering they wanted $3000 to fix an oil leak in my Cadillac, I’ll take my Toyota and an $83.00 bailout any day. I would go ten times that and still be ahead of the game. I have had such good luck with my GM vehicles I say give them $250B if it means I don’t have to own another one of those things.

  • avatar
    jerseydevil

    Thanks for lookin this up – its realy funny. where did this ad run? i’d like to send it around.

    npbheights – 83 bucks is pretty painless, but I can get a pretty good dinner here in philadelphia for that money – frankly, id rather.

  • avatar
    mikeolan

    @Steven Lang

    “Any GM Car with Bob Lutz at the helm” – So you mean the current-generation Malibu, the Lambda SUV’s, the Saturn Astra, the Pontiac G8, the Pontiac Solstice, and Cadillac CTS and SRX? Not to burst your bubble, but GM before Lutz came was producing bona-fide crap.

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