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  • TireGuy TireGuy on Dec 03, 2008

    no_slushbox: great link. Finally I see that the stuff people are discussing like here at TTAC go through to congress. In my view, the argument that no one buys cars from bankrupt manufacturers does not work. Waggoner has admitted early November that GM has a great chance to go bankrupt. Whoever has bought cars since then from GM does not care - I do not see further losses in a prearranged CH11, where the state would e.g. guarantee future warranty claims. Only in CH11 GM will get rid of the numerous burdensome problems. Yes, the state will have to cope with certain items (e.g. compensate for health benefits, pensions etc.), but this will be always much better than keeping GM alive with all of this burdened in an unchanged and forever unprofitable way.

  • Pch101 Pch101 on Dec 03, 2008
    Only in CH11 GM will get rid of the numerous burdensome problems. Yes, the state will have to cope with certain items (e.g. compensate for health benefits, pensions etc.), but this will be always much better than keeping GM alive with all of this burdened in an unchanged and forever unprofitable way. You don't seem to realize that this is not how Chapter 11 actually works. For Chapter 11 to work, those creditors who are owed money will have to agree to it. If they reject the plans, the company goes into Chapter 7, even if the company filing 11 doesn't want to go into 7. This could prove to be quite a conundrum. If the major lenders who have previously provided GM with capital end up agreeing to a government-sponsored version of a prepackaged plan, guess how they'll probably decide to agree to it? By getting more money under TARP to make up for the losses that they'll take under this filing! Which means that you'll pay for it, twice. First, by paying the tab of the DIP financing, provided by Uncle, and second, by covering the banks for at least some of the losses that they blackmailed us into accepting in order to win their consent to the deal. I think that some folks need to get out of their black-and-white world views, and realize that a bailout AND a Chapter 11 filing AND a prepackaged government-sponsored option would ALL fail. At this point, none of the options are going to be successful; all three choices are going to ultimately tank. There are other possibilities, which might be far better than either a bailout or a Chapter 11 or a government-sponsored prepackaged plan, but they haven't been discussed in this thread. I dislike all three choices, and see no hope for any of them serving as anything more than a stall tactic. The Chapter 11 option is too little, too late. It might have worked 2-3 years ago, but it passed its sell-by date awhile ago.
  • Stu Sidoti Stu Sidoti on Dec 03, 2008

    Wow...32 comments later, 2nd page status and y'all are still slugging it out at nearly 8pm!! Good thing the Mrs insisted I go to a local art gallery opening today instead.

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