By on October 7, 2008

Easy answer for me: Porsche 914. Justin and I talked about this (kinda) on today’s Podcast. He still hates it. But not me. I really, really admire the diminutive sports car. That’s right, I said sports car. Before I explain why, let me explain why I used to be a hater. There’s an entire class of cars I dislike because they were driven by the biggest assholes at my high school. Specifically, ’55 Chevys, all Chevelles, Toyota 4-Runners and Porsche 914s. VW Bugs were a mixed bag. The most date rapingest quarterback had one (I played center — I have issues) but so did a close friend. So, we’ll call it a wash. Anyhow, jerks drove the 914 and I had always heard that in Europe they sold it as “just” a Volkswagen. But a dear friend of mine — Davey G Johnson — showed me the error of my ways. By using facts! And while it is true that both companies sold the car, the bulk of the development was handled by Porsche. Any guesses as to who specifically was in charge of the 914 project? If you guessed Ferdinand Piech, pat yourself on the back. You may recall that Piech is the man responsible for the Volkswagen Phaeton. But, he also willed the Bugatti Veyron into existence. More importantly he brought about the all-crushing, all-dominating Porsche 917. Seriously, they canceled Can-Am because nothing could compete with the 917. Not one race, but the whole series. So, the 914 has some pedigree. Lots of success on the track, too. Don’t believe me? How does a 6th overall finish at Le Mans grab you? And yes, I know I said 7th on the Podcast. Again, not 6th in its class, but 6th overall. Why, that’s amazing! Especially when you consider the cars it beat, which include a bevy of 911s and Corvettes, Alfa Romeo T33/3s, several Ferraris, several Porsche 908s and even a 917. Hell yes I now love the 914. You?

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69 Comments on “Question of the Day: What Car Did You Used To Hate That You Now Like?...”


  • avatar
    davey49

    That’s a rather odd high school if kids had ’55 Chevys, 914s, and 4Runners. The 4Runner came out in 1984.
    I suppose the Corvette is a car I used to hate and like now. I don’t like late 70s early 80s Vettes any better now but I like the new one.

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    I used to hate Camaros.

    I’ve always liked 914s… even when my slimeball uncle owned one. The 914 is just seriously goofy and has to be loved for it’s oddball 70s Zeitgeist and go-kart handling. The Italians one-upped it with the Lancia Stratos, but how many of those do you see on the freeway?

    I realize this is a bizarre stance for a car guy, but I’ve never been a big fan of Ferraris. Most of them are over-done and just plain ugly. I would not call it “hate” but must of them are just not very good looking. They have produced a handful of masterpieces and a truckload of crap. I’d gladly accept any number of 250 or 275 variants, but very little of their output from Day One through the late 50s, and then again from the late 60s through today is very good looking. The Enzo for example… I think that thing is just gawd-awful. Mind you, I’m talking about appearance here, not performance.

    I actually still hate Camaros though.

    –chuck

  • avatar
    Blunozer

    Mazda Miata.

    I used to think they were underpowered dinky cars driven by hairdressers and sorority girls.

    Then one day, just for kicks, I took an ’06 for a test drive…

    Now I own one.

  • avatar
    Michael Ayoub

    Ford Mustang.

    Also, the Ford Fusion. Drive a 4-cylinder manual Fusion… you’ll like it.

  • avatar
    Runfromcheney

    Ford Taurus.

    I used to be in the bevy of people who thought that it was nothing more than a lame, half-assed car that Ford produced solely for whoring off to rental fleets. Then I read the book Taurus: The Making of the Car That Saved Ford by Eric Taub. Now the Taurus is one of my favorite cars, now that I know that not only did it change the way that all cars look, feel, and drive, but that it was one of the rare times that Detroit managed to trump the Japanese.

    Until the transmissions failed. Then all the Taurus owners went and bought Camrys.

  • avatar
    ande5000

    Had a black/yellow ’74 914 2.0 from 1985-1988 as my daily driver. Great, fun car. Autocross monster. Shared its motor with the VW 411 (if I recall correctly), but it was Porsche designed and engineered through and through. 911 snobs dissed them, but real enthusiasts knew (and know) better. The 914 was ahead of its time when new and today remains a fun bargain of mid-engine sports car. If you can find one that’s hasn’t rusted into oblivion.

  • avatar
    blindfaith

    1998 Chevy Metro

  • avatar
    Mirko Reinhardt

    All folding metal hardtop convertibles. Then I got a rental Focus convertible, which I kept for a month and 10,000 km.

  • avatar

    BMW 7

    I bought an S550 instead of the 7 because of its looks and interior space being smaller.

    But when I drove the BMW 7…I was like…OH MY GOD.

  • avatar
    Jeff in NH

    Honda Element.

    (Still) can’t get accustomed to the looks, but on a recent dealer visit I was truly impressed with the functionality of this beast. Relatively fuel-efficient and safe for its type, too. I need not mention reliability – it’s a Honda. Lastly, being in New England, the composite body panels are handy for resisting rust-inducing nicks and scratches.

  • avatar
    jybt

    The new Acura TL.

    Having seen it in more and more applications and that it destroys all competition on the track, I really like the car now.

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    Hond CRX.

    I always thought it was f’n stupid looking; a design half-assed with half-an-ass.

    I actually like the looks of it now, and wouldn’t mind one for a month or two just to experience. Impressive vehicle for its time.

  • avatar
    NulloModo

    When I first started working at the dealership I hated the Ford Escape, and couldn’t see why anyone would buy one. The more time I spent around them however, the more they have grown on me, and now actually seeing the utility (and fuel economy) of the things, and having driven many of them, I realize they are one of the best compact CUV things on the market, and like them quite a bit.

    I used to detest the way all Porsches looked, and didn’t see why anyone would waste near or over a hundred thousand on a 911 that looked a lot like a smoothed over VW bug. Perhaps time has temepered my tastes though, because I now tend to stare and check them out in traffic, and would have one on my short list of must have cars if I ever win the lottery.

  • avatar
    JuniorMint

    Scion xB. Couldn’t STAND it. I was one of those people making jokes like “Gee, they’d sell better if they took it out of the box AAAHAHAHAHA I’m priceless!”

    I was one of ‘those’ SUV people, until the repair costs on my Blazer exceeded my net worth as a human being. I still needed cargo space, but I also needed ludicrously low maintenence costs and stupid-good reliability. I also needed it to cost less than $15,000. After making the decision to stop pretending I live in the jungle and cross 4WD off the “must have” list, the xB was the logical choice…even if I couldn’t stand to look directly at it.

    For the first six months, I would catch glimpses of it through my front window, stop in my tracks, and think “I actually PAID MONEY for this thing?!”

    But it did what it was supposed to – get me, and my stuff (a whole LOT of stuff, as it happens) around for very little money. And actually, my friends loved it because of the huge backseat. And then people started asking me to help them move.

    I hear about this a lot, actually – people who just sort of ended up in xB’s but were quickly won over by their practicality to the nth degree. As for me, I can’t imagine driving anything else. Quite a change of heart.

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    The final, 5th-gen Honda Prelude. Its styling took a long time to grow on me, and I still don’t much like the headlights, but it is a car of many virtues, and I’m kinda sad they don’t make them anymore.

    The original Scion xB. I cringed in horror when it first appeared, but I grew to respect it for the honest, unapologetic little shoebox it was.

    The 2nd-gen F-body. It took until the past year or so for me to decide that the early, chrome-bumpered Camaros and Firebirds were actually quite attractive cars. My opinion was dragged down by the Smokey and the Bandit stigma, the mouthbreather assholes who drove them, and the fact that most of the ones I saw growing up were usually (a) 10 years old or more (b) painted that godawful dogshit brown that Chevy kept offering and (c) were more rust than metal.

  • avatar
    mistrernee

    2005+ Ford Mustang

    I started liking it a lot more when I saw how heavy its future competition was going to be, though I still think the V8 in it is a dog no matter how nice it sounds. Like most Fords it is crying out for a Chevy small block.

    I attempted to buy a beautiful white 2006 GT with the spoiler delete option and a manual transmission. The salesman was one of the most disrespectful and invasive human beings I have ever had to deal with though so I walked.

    I still want that damn car though.

  • avatar
    ckb

    Old 240-based volvos. As boxy as they get and the interiors always seemed like a dungeon. Then I picked up a beater…a 740 turbo with 212k miles for a thousand bucks. A whole car for $1k! (And right after buying used bmw rims for $900) That volvo ran like a champ and was built like a tank. I fit my whole room in there when I moved and finally had a doughnut car…for all the unpaved lots and snowstorms around my house. That car was a beast.

  • avatar
    poohbah

    Honda Element.

    Always hated the looks. I wanted a used CRV but they were asking way too much and I found a nice used Element for thousands less than its cousin.

    Now I love it and even love the looks. Strange but true.

  • avatar
    psarhjinian

    VW Phaeton.

    I don’t think I could stomach owning one, but it’s an awfully nice car for very, very little money. There’s a million little “we sweated the details” touches to the interior and it does look quite distinguished; much less “bling” than anything else in this category save the first-gen Acura RL (another car I hated but now like, for much the same reason).

    The thing is, I hated the car when it first came out. It seemed rather silly, both stretching too far and yet not being quite good enough. Oh, and it was going to be glitchy. It still is, in all likelihood, but at least it’s not full MSRP anymore.

  • avatar
    thetopdog

    It’s funny that my stance on this car changed without me ever having driven one, but I used to absolutely hate the Acura Integra Type R, and now I would love to take one for a test drive (although I don’t think I’d ever actually own one since they’re so overpriced). Back in high school, it was just a bunch of tools that drove ITRs (most of them were probably base Integras with fake badging), and I just hated the idea of anything with 4 cylinders being considered a legitimate performance car. Now my tastes are a little more sophisticated

  • avatar
    timd38

    Corvettes.

    Now I have a new one….

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    Miata: now I want two of them. One for as a Spec racer and another with an LS1 swap.

    Mid-90s Civics: still silly if you super-mod them, but its a great little ride for commuting and a little corner carving.

    New Edge Mercury Cougars: just like the Civic, but with a V6.

    Toyota Supra: who knew they could make 1000+ horses on a stock block?

  • avatar
    theflyersfan

    Latest generation 3-series. In darker colors, it hides many of the busy cutlines that lighter colors show and the 2009 refresh I think looks great – especially now that parts of the coupe front have been added.
    (…now if I could get over the iDrive hump)

    Good call with the last Prelude. There are fewer and fewer on the road now, like the last CRX, and it finally grew on me. Now that Honda is just down to the Civic Si (in the States), it is a somber reminder of the pocket rockets they used to sell…until expensive options got added to the last gen Prelude.

    Sajeev – I would sell my first born to drive an LS1-powered Miata. That has to be a headrush of epic proportions!

    (…typing is deflecting some of this debate bickering – guys, the country is falling apart so please quit splitting hairs, OK???)

  • avatar
    hoofdpijn

    I don’t think I’ve ever hated a car. Sure I’d get mad at some of the beaters I’ve owned when they’d start overheating or the transmission would start slipping but hate? Nah. Not even as a teenager who was prone irrational hatred of things did I ever cast my ire towards a car. Cars are cool things. All of em. My uncle’s Pacer was like a micro machines version of a 928. What’s not to like about that? Of course, I never actually drove it so it’s possible I could have grown to hate given sufficient familiarity. The biggest prick I knew in Jr High drove a 69 mustang. Every time he caught me looking at it he figured I was doing something akin to oogling his girlfriend and that I needed a bruise on my arm to…oh hell I guess he just needed an excuse to hit somebody. Still, I loved that car of his and I had a lot of bruises to show for it.

    Now, there have been several cars that I’ve thought were great but that, after a few miles behind the wheel I was ready to reconsider. I had a chance to drive a Delorean back before anyone knew what happened if you got one over eighty eight miles per hour, and for God’s sake, what a dynamic abomination that thing was. Likewise, a friend bought a used 308 (of Ferrari) which managed to stay out of the shop long enough for me to get over to his house and drive one day. My left leg was numb for several hours after operating the clutch on my ten mile test drive. A week later it was a smoldering heap on the side of the freeway so I never really got to solidify my feelings for it.

    Still, while my feelings had changed from adoration to “what a POS”, I never hated them. And seriously, nothing stupefies the mouth breathers in the parking lot of the beer store like a gullwing door.

  • avatar

    Corvette
    RX8

  • avatar
    Strippo

    Miata: now I want two of them. One for as a Spec racer and another with an LS1 swap.

    It will ruin you for any other car not made by Lotus. Or maybe Porsche.

    No, just Lotus.

  • avatar
    parimento1

    Ford Focus…Until I drove one and found out what a great car it is. May not be reliable, but it sure does drive well, it exceeded my wildest expectations. I am talking about a 2006 ST version with the 2.3L and 5 spd manual. I dont know how the more mundane Focus drives.

  • avatar
    Qusus

    As several people have mentioned; the 2005+ Ford Mustangs.

    I used to think the new ones were just like the old ones, archaic in every way and wholly unrefined. But I realized that the all-aluminum V8 and the trannies are quite advanced. It’s just the suspension that’s ancient.

    Plus, at 3500 pounds (despite being based on a rather large platform) it’s actually a lightweight compared to everything from a Challenger to a 335.

  • avatar
    rockit

    I understand the theme of the post, but I find it unusual that people can really “hate” any type of car without driving it.. I can see hating styling but just to hate the car for the sake of it?

    But if i have to choose one car I will say…..

    1985 Renault Encore 2 door

    Yup.

  • avatar
    Pig_Iron

    German Mercury Capri c/w V6 and stick. My uncle who is a car nut, used to take me around dealerships and would point out design, structural and build features I’d never have noticed myself. He said you couldn’t beat the over all package for the price. In hind sight he was right.

    I didn’t ‘get’ power/weight ratio in those days, and stupidly thought performance cars only came with big blocks. Still love big blocks, but my acceptance, taste, and knowledge has grown a lot wider.

  • avatar
    willbodine

    Hyundais.

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    BMW Z4

    I hate Bangle’s bungles, and when the Z4 came out I thought it was hideous. The Z3 was cute (take that as you please), the 4 was just ugly.

    Then a friend bought an M-Coupe. Suddenly the design made sense, once it had a roof and a kamm tail. Now it was less ugly in my mind.

    Then he let me drive it.

    The ferocious acceleration (which by seat-of-the-pants actually feels faster than a V10 M5), the perfect balance, the stupendous grip, the stop-right-now brakes, the chassis that transmits everything direct to your ass and your fingertips, it was fantastic. With the M you ONLY get a proper manual, a limited slip diff, a hard edged suspension, big brakes, and… That’s about it. Very few frills compared to most luxury sports cars. No gimmicks, just a raw driver’s car that is a hoot to drive.

    For the record, he’s used that car as a daily driver for over a year – including winter driving. Yup, he slapped some winter tires on a 340hp go kart, and it worked just fine. I remember him laughing at Cayenne owners as we pulled past them in the slush.

  • avatar
    NickR

    Fuselage design C body Mopars

  • avatar

    I could have answered that one easily when I was 17. I went from worshipping GM as the one true car company to completely losing my partisanship. At that point, 1970, I came to be very fond of a lot of Chrysler products, which I had hated out of my partisanship, especially those from the early to mid-1960s. And I hated Citroen 2CVs when we lived in France when I was 12, but in adulthood I came to view them affectionately, although I wouldn’t care to own one.

    But now, I dislike some cars less than I used to, such as Hyundais, mainly because they have improved in quality and looks, and I like some cars more than I used to, such as Hondas (after acquiring a ’99 Accord VERY cheap in 2004, and being very impressed with it), but I can’t say I’ve gone from hating a car to loving it in the last 30 years or so.

    I did go from liking the look of the Element quite a bit to hating the face. It is FUGLY. But it’s a nice car to drive.

  • avatar
    akitadog

    The latest Pontiac GTO. Especially when they moved the exhausts to each corner, and added the hood scoops and the 18s.

  • avatar
    jkross22

    Porsche 911

    I used to think it’s resemblance to a VW made it a ridiculous looking car… one that never got better looking, but just kept the same, ugly appearance decade after decade without any effort to make it a more attractive car.

    Then I drove a friend’s Boxster and realized what a car is supposed to feel like.

    I still think it’s ugly, but aggressive ugly.

  • avatar
    Ronman

    A car i hated and now i loved was the mercedes Benz CLS.

    i can’t begin to describe how much i hated that car. a 4 door coupe? what the f kind of oxymoron is that. the concept was dumb, and the rear of it looked like someone has passed an S-Class (hate that one too) under a rolling pin.

    then one day, i was stuck in traffic, and a silver CLS was driving past the other way, creeping in its traffic as well, and it hit me. it’s got this crease that runs from the front all the way to the back that just makes it so, cool. i still hate the rear, and no matter how many led lights are installed it’s still a crushed S class. but i love the profile, and i’m getting to grips with the concept especially that now it’s becoming a segment on its own.

    a car that i currently hate, and would probably do that same as the CLS did is the BMW X6. now that looks like an X5 that has just been stepped on by an elephant, or as my wife puts it, (it’s got hemroids!!!!!)

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    The Mercedes 190E 2.3-16

    I used to wonder why anyone would want a 4 cylinder Benz; now I scan for one every time I read car ads, or see a for sale sign in my neighborhood.

  • avatar
    thetopdog

    jkross22:

    I agree, the 911 is ugly, and looks like a Beetle. I can’t explain how aggravating it is to constantly hear the 911 referred to as ‘beautiful’ when I honestly can’t see how anybody can find that shape attractive. In a recent car and driver, they did a shootout that included a 911 and a Viper, among other cars. In the “exterior styling” category, the 911GT2 got a 9/10, while the Viper got a 7/10 I think. I almost threw up after reading that.

    But my friend was looking to test-drive a Boxster, and we were at the Porsche dealership when the salesman started up a 911S indoors. The sound it made caused me to briefly forget how much I hated the styling, forget that my Corvette parked outside is faster for about 1/2 the price, and lust after the 911 for a split second. After the car was turned off, my lust went away, but I’ll never forget the sound of that flat-6

  • avatar
    SupaMan

    The new Acura TL

    I hated the looks and overkill of technowizardy built into the car. But then I came across an Inside Line test of a 6MT-equipped version with the SH-AWD system….and that was that.

  • avatar
    barberoux

    Original xB. When it first came out I thought it was too boxy and was a huge mistake by Toyota. Slowly after seeing them on the road and seeing how utilitarian they were I came to appreciate the blunt, yes I said blunt, functionality of the design and the beauty of its basic shape. The new version took the basic shape and tried to morph it into something more acceptable for mainstream America and in doing so their smoothing just emphasizes the boxiness of the basic design. There’s no praise of boxiness in the new design. There is no identity. I also have come to appreciate some of the late 50’s early 60’s American car designs. Cars with huge fins and streamlined rocket shaped ornamentation just there for the sake of looking futuristic. They were cars you wanted to wash and wax and polish all of that chrome.

  • avatar
    Dragophire

    All Acura’s. But now I like the MDX and TL (last model) very much. I even hated them even after I test drove them both but now they have grown on me. I still hate Acura/Honda Styling overall and I still feel that the TSX is and always will be overrated.

  • avatar
    jerseydevil

    Cadillac DTS.

    Now I have one for work,i love it.

  • avatar
    OffCamber

    I’ll second CKB and also say Volvo 240s. I had a wagon as my first car. That thing was indestructible and ran like a top.

  • avatar
    aubrick

    Cabriolets.

    Of course, my wife had to force me to buy one as her “fun” car. Now it’s fast on it’s way to becoming my daily driver.

  • avatar
    ChopperDave

    The current Saab 9-3. I used to refer to it as warmed-over Malibu, and as a VW/Audi fan, lusted after A4s. That was until I drove one, lured in by the Employee Discount a few years ago. For the money, you can’t beat it, and the turbo rush is addictive. Plus, the passive 4-wheel steering made for an amusing test drive.

    I know the current 9-3 is far from a “true Saab,” but in the same way a band’s major-label debut can open a fan up to the band’s earlier, more “honest” output, I’ve gradually become a Saab loyalist, despite the gremlins and iffy interior, which I’ll chalk up to growing pains for now.

    I never did test the A4. I drove a few Jettas with the same 1.8t, and they weren’t much fun, not to mention that insurance on the A4 was twice as much as the Saab–or even the Jetta or Passat–where I lived at the time.

    My wife has a 9-3, too. Of course, she wants an A4 next … But I’m thinking 9-5.

  • avatar
    tigeraid

    Just about any edgy “80s” car. Used to think they were awful but the decade as a whole has grown on me in terms of styling. The MR2, the Pulsar, the Celica, the AE86 Corolla, the Mercury Capri, all the GM G-bodies, love ’em all.

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    Old Hyundais – the Pony and Stellar – sold in Canada but not US. Thought they were pure garbage but found out they were small and rwd. Then I used a Stellar for a short while – decent car really. Engines were reliable and uncomplicated but bodies rusted really badly.

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    Baumer

    BMW 2002: I’ll take mine in orange, please. I used to think it was ugly and underpowered. I’ve now seen the light[ness] and have learned the beauty of the car’s simplicity and perfect driving dynamics. I’ve also learned to love the 2002’s tall greenhouse, and only wish this trend in cabin design would have continued today. I’m not looking forward to the 2012 Chrysler 300 with gun-slits for side windows.

    2007+ Dodge Caravan: I used to think it was a dowdy, uninspired conveyance. Then I had one as a work car for 3 months, and I discovered there is no better road trip/ski trip/surf trip car. Supreme comfort, unassuming, and very similar to a Porsche GT3RS, inasumuch as both cars excel at their purpose, with little compromise. The fact that it is unapologetically square, and doesn’t look like a luxury SUV/crossover is just gravy.

    Baumer

  • avatar
    derek533

    2002 Honda Accord and that generation of body style.

    When it was first released after the late 90’s generation of Accords, I thought it didn’t look that good. It had a chiseled look, and angular back (is angular a word?!) and didn’t look like a bruised turd like everything else in the 90’s. I actually ended up buying a 2002 version but then traded it in under pressure from my better half for an SUV (QX4).

    The XB (second gen) would be my second choice. I know alot of people don’t like the second generation. IMO, they managed to keep the boxiness of the first gen and give it a sense of style.

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    red60r

    RWD Volvos. Our family has had a total of six (3 new, 3 used) — starting with a 1966 122S and including 3 24x’s and a 760. The V6 was a horror and undoubtedly helped run the extended-warranty company into bankruptcy with its leaky heads. But it was a great ride when it worked.

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    ChopperDave

    I’d like to add to the chorus of praises for the Honda Element. I thought it was a plasticky POS for wannabes hopped up on Mtn. Dew, but since I’ve driven a few as Zip Cars, I’m sold. Okay, not “sold,” as I’d still never buy one, but I see the appeal. They’re amazingly capable, and surprisingly zippy cars.

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    Ah, those comments about the 5th gen Prelude. I had a 98 for 8 years, and, sure the looks took some time to grow, but oh the scream that 2.2L motor put out on the VTEC cam.

    The current car that has changed for me is the new TSX. Compared to the ugly TL, it looks pretty good.

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    pman

    I hated the Infiniti G35 sedan when it first came out. From the cheezy Pontiac-orange instrument lights to the lousy ergonomics to the touchy brakes to the jumpy throttle response to the box-cutter trimmed headliner to the Rustoleum silver plastic to the lousy gas mileage, I found nothing to like about the car except the engine. Now, it has actually grown to be a very nice, well rounded lux-sport sedan, especially for the money.

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    johnsonc

    In high school in the 70’s I hated the look of the VW Karmann Ghia. I hardly ever see one now but consider them to have a classic look.

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    afuller

    Pontiac Aztek.

    With as goofy as vehicle styling has become this thing doesn’t even stand out in the crowd anymore.

  • avatar
    Casual Observer

    Geo/Chevy Tracker

    Ten years ago, I thought this was a ridiculous creation. But its relevance to today’s market shows that it made sense, it was just born prematurely and died too young.

    Chevy would be wise to bring it back – same size, just update the styling and dynamics.

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    joeaverage

    Vans in general. My favorites are the VW products, the Benz Sprinters, and a few we don’t get here in the USA. I used to see them as just too big for anything good and then a buddy bought a broken ’70 VW Van. Still slow but suddenly I saw what they could do. It wasn’t about carving corners, it was about having a bit of space for yourself wherever you went.

    Unfortunately it was not until after I got out of the Navy that it dawned on me that the VW Westfalia would have been the perfect vehicle for me. I was single and lived on-board our ship. What was clear was that if a guy didn’t leave to go on liberty when given the chance there was a good chance he would volunteered for some sort of duty fairly regularly. Relieve somebody on watch, go look at something broken, assist somebody on duty, etc. Where did a single sailor go on liberty when living on board? Well the answer was all places that cost money which us lowly enlisted guys did not have alot of.

    We could stay on base and play games but really what I wanted to do was be rid of the Navy for a few hours. With a Westfalia I could have rented a spot (cheap) in the base camping area, put my feet up, grilled some meat, drank a beer, watched some TV, or taken a road trip. But, I figured that out AFTER my six years in the Navy. Oh well.

    When I was stationed overseas I sold my Mustangs and left for the land of tiny cars (Italy). I REALLY came to love those tiny cars and their lightweight. I did not lament the tiny engines, loss of mass, or their spartan accommodations. I still prefer them to a modern domestic barge any day. Still though with the other traffic twice the size, I drive them as if I was on a motorcycle and all the cage drivers were out to get me.

    SLOWLY I am regaining an appreciation for domestic cars. Still don’t have as much appreciation for large SUVs but I would like to have a four-door long wheelbase Chevy 4WD 3/4 ton truck for very occasional use if I had a garage to park it in and keep it out of the way.

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    roadracer

    I did not like the Bangle styled BMWs when they first came out. Now I want an E60 5er in the worst way.

    It amazes me that the 914 finished 6th at Le Mans. Today they run in ITB, though more commonly they’re prepped as Production cars.

  • avatar
    Gottleib

    I never much cared for trucks/large SUVs and always thought of them as work vehicles. since all cars are now being made with bucket seats and a center console, which I think makes cars feels smaller and more cramped, I just might have to get a truck/large SUV with a bench seat.
    It’s not that I need the extra space, I just don’t like feeling like I am wedged into a vehicle, unless of course it is a true sports car. Sedans, coupes and wagons should have a bench, or split bench seat option with the gearshift on the column or the dash.
    I also don’t like the small gun sight windows, bring back the airy greenhouse with some decent visibility so I can see.

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    I used to hate all minivans. Then, in the late ’90s, my parents got a Dodge Caravan ramp van, a conversion that allowed my mother to drive her electric scooter into the back of the minivan and transfer to the front passenger seat (she was crippled with multiple sclerosis). Besides being very useful in this way, I found that the Caravan was a pleasant car to drive, with ample power, and the look of that particular Caravan, the ’97, grew on me. I still think the styling is quite good in a subtle way.

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    Areitu

    Ford Flex

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    bassmangtk

    Honda Element for the same reasons that the other three posts above mention. Hated it when it came out, bought one 2 weeks ago. I love it.

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    M20E30

    Pontiac 6000. My dad had one when I was young. A ’91 LE, and it fell apart within three years. It also stranded us on about 10 seperate occasions. I LOATHED that car.

    Recently I drove an ’85 6000 STE. Handling left something to be desired, but I was blown away by it’s super-awesome 80’s interior. I would buy one if I could find one.

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    threeer

    @ michael ayoub,

    yeah, I do kinda like my five speed Fusion. Not too many cars that size you can find still with a manual tranny. Old car I once hated that I now love…hmmmm…Chevy pickups (of the late 70s to mid 80s vintage) until I drove one as a loaner from a mechanic. Something about the simplicity of that box on wheels was strangely alluring…

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    Theodore

    Nissan Altimas. My sister’s boyfriend went through several of them, all in various stages of decrepitude. I didn’t much like him and hated his cars. But then they got married, he moved up to VWs, and I had a new Altima as a rental car. I like both he and the Altima much better now.

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    wsn

    psarhjinian said:
    VW Phaeton.

    I don’t think I could stomach owning one, but it’s an awfully nice car for very, very little money.

    Interesting. The listing price of the Phaeton is higher than that of the Lexus LS. And you call that “very, very little money.”

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    Bunter1

    C2 ‘vettes. It was the “foreign cars are cooler” thing.
    ’55 Chevy-one day I realized what a clean design it was. The ’57 is a vile mess of ’50s cliches next to one…or even sitting by it’s lonesome.

    Original xB. Triumph of design justice.

    Yes, Bunter did say something nice about a GM product!

    Respectfully,

    Bunter

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    Jordan Tenenbaum

    Honestly, the Jag E-Type. I now idolize it, but back when I was a wee little kid, I couldn’t stand the looks of it.

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