Bailout Watch 27: Obama Slams McCain for Not Supporting Motown Pork From the Git-Go

Robert Farago
by Robert Farago

Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama is running the above ad, “Revitalize,” in Michigan. Obama hopes to win votes in the key battleground state by accusing of Senator John McCain of “selling out” Michigan workers. In other words, the republican nominee didn’t support $50b in low-interest federal loans. Before he did. Of course, neither that big ass billion dollar number nor the specifics of who might get what are part of the Obama spot. For his part, McCain said… nothing. Automotive News [AN, sub] reports that the Senator from Arizona brought his freshly-minted (and minty fresh) Veep babe to The Wolverine State for a 35-minute appearance. “Surprisingly, the question of whether the government should support General Motors, Ford and Chrysler with guaranteed loans for r&d efforts did not come up during the appearance.” Hey! What about you guys asking? Anyway, John’s nothing if not a seasoned politician. “We may not agree from time to time on a specific issue until I reverse my position,” McCain said. “But I will promise you this: I will never let you down and I will always, always put my country first.” Uh-oh.

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  • Geeber Geeber on Sep 10, 2008
    carlos.negros: Federally owned land was never taken off the state’s tax rolls. It was never on the tax rolls. If it was never ON the state's tax rolls, it further proves my point. Thank you. This is why Alaskans deserve to be compensated for land that is within the state's borders but not really under the state's control, or on its tax rolls. carlos.negros: What about the citizens of West Virginia, where mountaintops have been decapitated, and clear streams turned black by “clean coal”? Do they get some baksheesh too? The land in West Virginia was owned by the coal companies. Please compare apples to apples. This also occurred long before Senators McCain and Obama and Governor Palin were on the scene. The latter two weren't born yet, and Senator McCain was still in diapers when most of this occurred. carlos.negros: Your argument regarding home schooling is bogus. No, it's valid. You just can't counter it, because, like many on the left, you aren't informed enough about the subject and aren't sophisticated enough to think outside the "big government" box. carlos.negros: I never said I supported home schooling. That is a typical Republican strawman argument. I never said that you did. I figured you aren't informed enough to understand this point. You also can't quite wrap your mind around the concept that if you don't want your tax dollars supporting an activity that is repugnant to you, then you need to support others with the same goal, even if they are on the opposite side of the ideological spectrum. carlos.negros: I agree with California. Children can be home schooled if they are taught by certified teachers. Nonsense. There is no proof that certified teachers do a better job of teaching home-schooled students than parents do. (You also appear to be unaware that California is backpedaling from this dumb decision.) What really bothers you is that some people are thinking for themselves, and not relying on public education, and doing a job in educating their children that is either just as good as or superior to the one by those certified teachers. You like to portray yourself as this independent, free-thinking person because you oppose the Bush Administration. In reality you are just another big-government statist drone who is poorly informed about the things like home-schooling because you go by what you think you know (or what the teacher's union tells you). Unfortunately, what you really know plus $5 wouldn't buy a bag of horse manure at the Pennsylvania Farm Show. You need to leave this discussion to those who are better informed. carlos.negros: School is mandatory. If parents keep their children away in order to teach them that Noah had an arc and the animals walked on the arc two by two, the parents should go to jail. This from the same person who wails about freedoms being curtailed by the Bush Administration. But you would throw people into jail for the henious crime of choosing to guide the education of their children outside their local school district. Incredible, and the height of ignorance. I had a sneaking suspicion you were a typical left-wing hypocrite; now I know that you are. Let me educate you - parents have a right to guide the education of their children. They have a right to teach their children their religious beliefs. For some people, this will be outside the public school system. If you and the National Education Association (NEA) don't like that, tough. Please feel free to mind your own business. Incidentally, there are people who send their children to private Christian and Catholic schools, where they are taught about Noah and the ark. I guess you would throw them into jail, too. From now on, your wailing about freedoms being curtailed by those mean Republicans will be dismissed out of hand, because you appear quite eager to restrict basic freedoms yourself. carlos.negros: Remember, Senator Obama didn’t just get elected to represent one of the largest states. He is also an entrepreneur. He earned $4 million last year from his book sales. He is a best-selling author. Is that not a legitimate business? Based on that standard, we could elect Rush Limbaugh, Oprah Winfrey or even Brock Yates as president, as they are best-selling authors, too. And Rush and Oprah have succeeded in other mediums (Rush on radio, Oprah on television), too, which I guess makes them even more qualified. carlos.negros: And what about his teaching for 11 years at the U of Chicago Law school. Is that not honest work? What about his work for a law firm? Does that not compare with Sarah Pallin’s swimsuit contest? Apparently you are also unaware that she was a mayor, which is much more demanding than teaching at a university. Having been to both college and graduate school and worked in government - as opposed to relying on talking points from the Senator Obama campaign - I can assure that while there are many fine teachers in our institutions of higher education, success in this field does not automatically translate into success in an elected position, even for the good ones. carlos.negros: Are you working for the FBI? If so, too bad you guys didn’t circulate those photos back in 2001 when the dumbass in the WH got that report telling him we were going to get attacked. Nice job, Brownie. Considering that most of the planning for 9/11 occured prior to January 20, 2001, and it was Clinton appointee Jamie Gorelick who went beyond what was legally required regarding restrictions on information sharing between various agencies, it appears as though your ire is misdirected.
  • Carlos.negros Carlos.negros on Sep 10, 2008

    Geepers Creepers Geeber, you wrote that long response on Taxpayer dollars? Perhaps you are one of the paid propagandists that the Bush administration hired to appear as "experts" on news shows. That you could compare evil Bush, the torturer, with the fact that children by law must attend school, just shows how demented you are. Whatever moral compass you use, be it that which reinforced slavery, aparthied, the subjugation of women, conquest, or genocide, it is putrid and rotting. I don't have time to respond to so many lies, but I will say this, Dick, I will never go hunting with you.

  • Geeber Geeber on Sep 11, 2008
    carlos.negros: That you could compare evil Bush, the torturer, with the fact that children by law must attend school, just shows how demented you are. Nice attempt to dodge the issue. The issue wasn't whether children must attend school. The issue was whether parents should be allowed to homeschool their children. YOU are the one who advocates throwing people in jail for homeschooling their children. carlos.negros: Whatever moral compass you use, be it that which reinforced slavery, aparthied, the subjugation of women, conquest, or genocide, it is putrid and rotting. Considering that those issues have not been discussed on this thread, I would suggest that you refrain from attempting to divine other posters' views on various subjects. Your attempt at mind-reading has failed miserably. carlos.negros: I don’t have time to respond to so many lies, but I will say this, Dick, I will never go hunting with you." Translation - you can't refute my points, have been called out on your ridiculous positions, and so now are taking your marbles home to sulk. A little education here, carlos - stick to cars, as you are clearly in over your head on other subjects.
  • Carlos.negros Carlos.negros on Sep 11, 2008

    Here is an example of Geeber's lies: Geeber wrote: carlos.negros: What about the citizens of West Virginia, where mountaintops have been decapitated, and clear streams turned black by “clean coal”? Do they get some baksheesh too? "The land in West Virginia was owned by the coal companies. Please compare apples to apples. This also occurred long before Senators McCain and Obama and Governor Palin were on the scene. The latter two weren’t born yet, and Senator McCain was still in diapers when most of this occurred." This is a lie. The destruction took place during the Bush Administration, before the Democrats took back the Congress in 2006. But I do agree with one thing you said: "McCain was in diapers." Perhaps you should have said, Depends. "West Virginia Groups Sue to Stop Mountaintop Removal Mining Permit Black Castle Mine will destroy miles of streams, valleys November 2, 2005 Huntington, WV -- Local conservation groups today filed a lawsuit challenging the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers' approval of a mountaintop removal-mining permit that will destroy tens of thousands of feet of streams and valleys near the Black Castle Mine in Boone County, WV. Today's action is on the heels of additional litigation filed in September challenging the Camp Branch Surface Mine permit, another mountaintop removal project located in southern West Virginia that will cause extensive environmental damage. "The Corps failed to follow the law when they issued both of these permits," said Janet Keating, co-director of Ohio Valley Environmental Coalition (OVEC). "The Corps has repeatedly ignored evidence showing that mountaintop removal mining destroys the environment, harms the economy and degrades the lives of West Virginians, and has approved these permits without proper review. Our lawsuits send them a message to start complying with the law and stop blowing up our mountains." Today's filing in the United States District Court for the Southern District of West Virginia (No. 3:05-0784) is on behalf of OVEC, Coal River Mountain Watch, and West Virginia Highlands Conservancy, who are represented by Earthjustice and the Appalachian Center for the Economy and the Environment. The filing challenges the Army Corps of Engineers' August 2005 approval of Elk Run Coal Company's Black Castle Mine in violation of the Clean Water Act and the National Environmental Policy Act. The discharge of fill from this mountaintop removal project would permanently destroy over 13,000 linear feet of jurisdictional streams and fill nine nearby valleys. The Corps approved this permit without requiring an Environmental Impact Statement, which would have fully analyzed the impacts of smothering the streams and filling the valleys. The Corps did not require any additional studies, despite the fact that Elk Run Coal has failed to explore any alternatives to destroying the nine valleys. "Mountaintop removal mining has already destroyed over 800 square miles of West Virginia land and more than a thousand miles of headwater streams that flowed from those mountains," said Cindy Rank of the West Virginia Highlands Conservancy. "There is no excuse to say that this activity has 'no significant impact' on the environment, as the Corps alleges. We are losing our land and a huge part of our cultural heritage with each of these mining permits that the Corps of Engineers approves. If this permit approval continues, by the end of this decade we will lose up to 2,200 square miles of land in Appalachia, an area equal in size to the entire state of Delaware. This destruction has got to stop." Last week, the Environmental Protection Agency issued a final Environmental Impact Statement on the practice of mountaintop removal mining that continues to endorse this devastating mining practice. "Rather than make some effort to protect our lands, our homes and our heritage, the Bush administration and EPA are just continuing their business as usual: more handouts to the coal industry," said Janice Nease, with Coal River Mountain Watch. "Big coal has a stranglehold on West Virginia. Instead of planning for our future, they're destroying our past and turning profits from our misery. This mine and others throughout the state are serving only the interests of coal barons and corporate profits, and every West Virginian is forced to pay the price."

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