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	<title>Comments on: Wild Ass Rumor of the Day: GM Channel Stuffing?</title>
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		<title>By: Jeff Puthuff</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-gm-channel-stuffing/comment-page-1/#comment-975342</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Puthuff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need someone in the Long Beach, Ca area to check out the port and see where they&#039;re stuffing the Mercedes, Toytotas and Nissans. I read an article where a new ship loading area is being converted to a parking lot.

When all the big manufacturers start stockpiling, it truly illustrates how the market just absolutely collapsed.</description>
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<p>When all the big manufacturers start stockpiling, it truly illustrates how the market just absolutely collapsed.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Bunter1</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-gm-channel-stuffing/comment-page-1/#comment-974152</link>
		<dc:creator>Bunter1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WAR? GM channel stuffing barely rates as newsworthy I would think.

Bunter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->WAR? GM channel stuffing barely rates as newsworthy I would think.</p>
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		<title>By: Adub</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-gm-channel-stuffing/comment-page-1/#comment-974131</link>
		<dc:creator>Adub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The local Chrysler dealer is overflowing with product, way more than it ever had.

One thing to keep in mind, besides M-B and Toyota also parking fleets at the ports, is that one way to get around the new CAFE standards is to build like crazy before the standards go into effect. Granted, that is four years from now, but some suits at GM did cast it as a feasible option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->The local Chrysler dealer is overflowing with product, way more than it ever had.</p>
<p>One thing to keep in mind, besides M-B and Toyota also parking fleets at the ports, is that one way to get around the new CAFE standards is to build like crazy before the standards go into effect. Granted, that is four years from now, but some suits at GM did cast it as a feasible option.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: geeber</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-gm-channel-stuffing/comment-page-1/#comment-973211</link>
		<dc:creator>geeber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t doubt that GM is doing this, because, from what I see, sales have just about collapsed for everyone. The local Honda dealer is literally overflowing with vehicles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I don&#8217;t doubt that GM is doing this, because, from what I see, sales have just about collapsed for everyone. The local Honda dealer is literally overflowing with vehicles.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: miked</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-gm-channel-stuffing/comment-page-1/#comment-972892</link>
		<dc:creator>miked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my back parking lot at work there are about 15 H2s and H3s with the local GM dealer front plates on them and stickers in the window.  They haven&#039;t moved in about 2 months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->In my back parking lot at work there are about 15 H2s and H3s with the local GM dealer front plates on them and stickers in the window.  They haven&#8217;t moved in about 2 months.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: 50merc</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-gm-channel-stuffing/comment-page-1/#comment-972721</link>
		<dc:creator>50merc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another question: could GM be stacking inventory to sell during a (temporary, they&#039;d hope) shutdown following filing for bankruptcy?</description>
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		<title>By: 50merc</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-gm-channel-stuffing/comment-page-1/#comment-972691</link>
		<dc:creator>50merc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jgholt: &quot;I think the Chrysler M.O. has been to somehow still cast these [lot queens] as sales to some - i dunno - holding company?&quot;

Maybe so, but wasn&#039;t the essence of the Enron fraud that it was booking revenue from deals with supposedly outside entities that turned out to be Enron under another name?

So I&#039;m still wondering how there can be revenue when they have &quot;sales bank&quot; cars. Even finished inventory must be written down and losses recognized if the reality is that it can&#039;t be sold at original book value. Which, I suspect, the auditors would insist upon.</description>
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<p>Maybe so, but wasn&#8217;t the essence of the Enron fraud that it was booking revenue from deals with supposedly outside entities that turned out to be Enron under another name?</p>
<p>So I&#8217;m still wondering how there can be revenue when they have &#8220;sales bank&#8221; cars. Even finished inventory must be written down and losses recognized if the reality is that it can&#8217;t be sold at original book value. Which, I suspect, the auditors would insist upon.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Robert Farago</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-gm-channel-stuffing/comment-page-1/#comment-972602</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Farago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;UPDATE from an anonymous source:&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;em&gt;I can confirm GM is filling up parking lots with excess inventory, at least in Flint, MI.

There is a recently closed auto dealership off of I-69 on Dort Hwy., which used to be Superior Pontiac.  I just drove by there last week and the entire parking lot in the back was filled with new trucks.  It is a fairly large parking lot, and if I had to guess, there are probably 200 - 300 trucks parked there.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><strong>UPDATE from an anonymous source:</strong></p>
<p><em>I can confirm GM is filling up parking lots with excess inventory, at least in Flint, MI.</p>
<p>There is a recently closed auto dealership off of I-69 on Dort Hwy., which used to be Superior Pontiac.  I just drove by there last week and the entire parking lot in the back was filled with new trucks.  It is a fairly large parking lot, and if I had to guess, there are probably 200 &#8211; 300 trucks parked there.</em><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: jgh</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-gm-channel-stuffing/comment-page-1/#comment-972421</link>
		<dc:creator>jgh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So wait, GM is incentivizing the dealers... with what??  They&#039;re already &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/bailout-watch-205-gm-blackmails-dealers/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;stiffing them on incentives owed&lt;/a&gt;.  

Here - take 2 more Tahoes - but I don&#039;t have the cash right now - so will you take... another Tahoe?

@50merc:  When a car leaves the factory, a dealer&#039;s or person&#039;s name is attached to it, and considered sold (invoiced).  If there&#039;s not a name attached, it lands in a &quot;bank&quot; which any ethical accountant would log as inventory.  However I think the Chrysler M.O. has been to somehow still cast these as sales to some - i dunno - holding company?  Of course they then try to cram these down the dealer&#039;s throats because the last thing OEMs want is lot queens on &lt;b&gt;their&lt;/b&gt; lots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->So wait, GM is incentivizing the dealers&#8230; with what??  They&#8217;re already <a href="http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/bailout-watch-205-gm-blackmails-dealers/" rel="nofollow">stiffing them on incentives owed</a>.  </p>
<p>Here &#8211; take 2 more Tahoes &#8211; but I don&#8217;t have the cash right now &#8211; so will you take&#8230; another Tahoe?</p>
<p>@50merc:  When a car leaves the factory, a dealer&#8217;s or person&#8217;s name is attached to it, and considered sold (invoiced).  If there&#8217;s not a name attached, it lands in a &#8220;bank&#8221; which any ethical accountant would log as inventory.  However I think the Chrysler M.O. has been to somehow still cast these as sales to some &#8211; i dunno &#8211; holding company?  Of course they then try to cram these down the dealer&#8217;s throats because the last thing OEMs want is lot queens on <b>their</b> lots.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: 50merc</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-gm-channel-stuffing/comment-page-1/#comment-972382</link>
		<dc:creator>50merc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...making the vehicles and parking them somewhere or other. The upside: the company books a vehicle as “sold” once it does an Elvis (i.e. leaves the building).&quot;

Can some Motor City accountant explain to me how revenue can be booked without a corresponding entry to cash or accounts receivable? Isn&#039;t there supposed to be a debit for every credit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->&#8220;&#8230;making the vehicles and parking them somewhere or other. The upside: the company books a vehicle as “sold” once it does an Elvis (i.e. leaves the building).&#8221;</p>
<p>Can some Motor City accountant explain to me how revenue can be booked without a corresponding entry to cash or accounts receivable? Isn&#8217;t there supposed to be a debit for every credit?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: menno</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-gm-channel-stuffing/comment-page-1/#comment-972372</link>
		<dc:creator>menno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having a GM dealer used to be a license to print money, for owners.  

Interesting how it&#039;s now become a leaky bag of smelly dung, just a precursor to the same thing which is soon to  happen to the US Dollar.  

Adding several trillion dollars to the debt in the next few years (after exponential increases over the last 7 years in the US debt) will catch up to us.  

Zimbabwe being the prime recent example of what happens next. 

 http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/truth_slant/zimbabwe_hey_ho.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Having a GM dealer used to be a license to print money, for owners.  </p>
<p>Interesting how it&#8217;s now become a leaky bag of smelly dung, just a precursor to the same thing which is soon to  happen to the US Dollar.  </p>
<p>Adding several trillion dollars to the debt in the next few years (after exponential increases over the last 7 years in the US debt) will catch up to us.  </p>
<p>Zimbabwe being the prime recent example of what happens next. </p>
<p> <a href="http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/truth_slant/zimbabwe_hey_ho.php" rel="nofollow">http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/truth_slant/zimbabwe_hey_ho.php</a><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Billy Bobb 2</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-gm-channel-stuffing/comment-page-1/#comment-972221</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy Bobb 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only Channel Stuufing; GM dealers were &quot;asked&quot; recently to &quot;buy down&quot; their GMAC floorplan a point in a nasty cash grab.

That was a six or seven figure check to GM...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Not only Channel Stuufing; GM dealers were &#8220;asked&#8221; recently to &#8220;buy down&#8221; their GMAC floorplan a point in a nasty cash grab.</p>
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		<title>By: Lokki</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-gm-channel-stuffing/comment-page-1/#comment-972201</link>
		<dc:creator>Lokki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More ancedotal evidence here in Dallas -  Close to my office complex, located in the south-west corner of the Dallas Metroplex, there is a storage lot for new cars.... I&#039;ve seen both Chrysler and GM products there on my drive-bys, so I&#039;m not sure how it works, but right now there are oceans of cars. Oceans and oceans and oceans. Acres of new cars. 

It used to be a pretty sight, that picture of American industrial strength....

Now it scares me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->More ancedotal evidence here in Dallas &#8211;  Close to my office complex, located in the south-west corner of the Dallas Metroplex, there is a storage lot for new cars&#8230;. I&#8217;ve seen both Chrysler and GM products there on my drive-bys, so I&#8217;m not sure how it works, but right now there are oceans of cars. Oceans and oceans and oceans. Acres of new cars. </p>
<p>It used to be a pretty sight, that picture of American industrial strength&#8230;.</p>
<p>Now it scares me.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: ray24</title>
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		<dc:creator>ray24</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could be; in Spain, up to 25% sales last year were not &quot;exactly&quot; sales (in spanish): http://www.motorpasion.com/2008/11/18-la-venta-de-coches-en-espana-tambien-era-una-burbuja-y-ahora-ha-explotado

It&#039;s easy to believe that rumor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Could be; in Spain, up to 25% sales last year were not &#8220;exactly&#8221; sales (in spanish): <a href="http://www.motorpasion.com/2008/11/18-la-venta-de-coches-en-espana-tambien-era-una-burbuja-y-ahora-ha-explotado" rel="nofollow">http://www.motorpasion.com/2008/11/18-la-venta-de-coches-en-espana-tambien-era-una-burbuja-y-ahora-ha-explotado</a></p>
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		<title>By: TaurusGT500</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-gm-channel-stuffing/comment-page-1/#comment-972151</link>
		<dc:creator>TaurusGT500</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.&quot; ...Santayana&lt;/em&gt;

DCX.   Sales Banks.   Parking lots all over SE MI wallowing in new Dodge metal.

...yep, that one worked out pretty well too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>&#8220;Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.&#8221; &#8230;Santayana</em></p>
<p>DCX.   Sales Banks.   Parking lots all over SE MI wallowing in new Dodge metal.</p>
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		<title>By: fallout11</title>
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		<dc:creator>fallout11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On purely anecdotal evidence (i.e. the local GM dealerships) I would say this is probably not a wild ass rumor.  Not only do both have additional new vehicles sitting on ancillary lots, such as out in front of the local mall, along the sidewalk/verge, and filling the &quot;used&quot; car areas, but their own standard lots are filled, especially with slow sellers (big trucks, vans, SUV&#039;s, and fleet queens).

To be fair, the Chrysler dealership is doing this to a greater degree, having spilled over into the parking lots of the nearby closed/empty storefronts business, the grocery store next door, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->On purely anecdotal evidence (i.e. the local GM dealerships) I would say this is probably not a wild ass rumor.  Not only do both have additional new vehicles sitting on ancillary lots, such as out in front of the local mall, along the sidewalk/verge, and filling the &#8220;used&#8221; car areas, but their own standard lots are filled, especially with slow sellers (big trucks, vans, SUV&#8217;s, and fleet queens).</p>
<p>To be fair, the Chrysler dealership is doing this to a greater degree, having spilled over into the parking lots of the nearby closed/empty storefronts business, the grocery store next door, etc.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: 1996MEdition</title>
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		<dc:creator>1996MEdition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of channel stuffing............http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081121/lf_nm_life/us_sexiest_women_e

Start the day off right</description>
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