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		<title>By: Captain Neek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Captain Neek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 14:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;@ menno :&lt;/em&gt; 

If your theory holds, Tata is next.  After all, it did ingest [&lt;em&gt;que drumroll&lt;/em&gt;]  &lt;strong&gt;LAND-ROVER!&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>@ menno :</em> </p>
<p>If your theory holds, Tata is next.  After all, it did ingest [<em>que drumroll</em>]  <strong>LAND-ROVER!</strong><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: mimizhusband</title>
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		<dc:creator>mimizhusband</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 01:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a high school student in the &#039;70s, robotic manufacturing was going to be the next wave in the auto biz. 

The fear of some was the displacement of live people as workers. Now the fear is elimination of whole companies. 

It gives me pause to consider what other huge social shifts I may be missing now in &#039;08.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->As a high school student in the &#8217;70s, robotic manufacturing was going to be the next wave in the auto biz. </p>
<p>The fear of some was the displacement of live people as workers. Now the fear is elimination of whole companies. </p>
<p>It gives me pause to consider what other huge social shifts I may be missing now in &#8216;08.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: John Horner</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Horner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 01:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Their new cars are quite bad b/c they are so in debt&quot;

Bah humbug.  The redesigns stink because the managers who directed the projects were bad at their jobs, simple as that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->&#8220;Their new cars are quite bad b/c they are so in debt&#8221;</p>
<p>Bah humbug.  The redesigns stink because the managers who directed the projects were bad at their jobs, simple as that.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: bleach</title>
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		<dc:creator>bleach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 00:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slowing payments could also be part of the whole cost savings at the expense of the supplier strategy.  Just like that magic 25% cost reduction goal, Chrysler simply thinks the suppliers need them so much that the suppliers will go along with whaever they dole out.

Walmart and Home Depot are notorious for this and I don&#039;t see either headed for Chapter 11.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Slowing payments could also be part of the whole cost savings at the expense of the supplier strategy.  Just like that magic 25% cost reduction goal, Chrysler simply thinks the suppliers need them so much that the suppliers will go along with whaever they dole out.</p>
<p>Walmart and Home Depot are notorious for this and I don&#8217;t see either headed for Chapter 11.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: boofie59</title>
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		<dc:creator>boofie59</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 19:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you really want to know if Chrysler is delaying payment, go spend $120 or $150 bucks and buy a Dun &amp; Bradstreet.com Business Information Report on Chrysler. It will tell you whether their payments are getting later or not.</description>
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		<title>By: Sajeev Mehta</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-deadbeat-chrysler/comment-page-1/#comment-463452</link>
		<dc:creator>Sajeev Mehta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 19:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of this reminds me of a previous Chrysler SW: 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/chrysler-suicide-watch-32-slumlords/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Think of Chrysler as a slum landlord who bought a building on the cheap awaiting a buyout offer and you begin to get the picture.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->All of this reminds me of a previous Chrysler SW: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/chrysler-suicide-watch-32-slumlords/" rel="nofollow">Think of Chrysler as a slum landlord who bought a building on the cheap awaiting a buyout offer and you begin to get the picture.</a><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Richard Chen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Chen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 17:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Axel: Honda&#039;s new Indiana plant goes online later this year, and might be building Fits.</description>
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		<title>By: powerglide</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-deadbeat-chrysler/comment-page-1/#comment-463072</link>
		<dc:creator>powerglide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 17:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>menno:

Last time I drove through Toledo, ten years ago, the smokestacks at the ancient Jeep plant still said O V E R L A N D on them:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/89/Overland_chimneys_Toledo.jpg/250px-Overland_chimneys_Toledo.jpg

Appreciate the kind words th&#039;other day, by the way...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->menno:</p>
<p>Last time I drove through Toledo, ten years ago, the smokestacks at the ancient Jeep plant still said O V E R L A N D on them:</p>
<p><a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/89/Overland_chimneys_Toledo.jpg/250px-Overland_chimneys_Toledo.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/89/Overland_chimneys_Toledo.jpg/250px-Overland_chimneys_Toledo.jpg</a></p>
<p>Appreciate the kind words th&#8217;other day, by the way&#8230;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: jaje</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-deadbeat-chrysler/comment-page-1/#comment-463071</link>
		<dc:creator>jaje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 17:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;sitting@home: They were all great cars, but they’re all past their prime with no replacements in sight. Their newest cars (Sebring, Avenger, Caliber, the latest minivans and the Jeep-etes) are just not competitive, so I can’t see how the company can continue selling vehicles profitably even if it didn’t have the burden of legacy costs.&lt;/i&gt;
With a reduction in legacy costs they will have the money and possibly the management that will change the cycle of allowing an initial hit to not rot on the vine and continually update it.  Their new cars are quite bad b/c they are so in debt and with no plan to survive.  Cerebus won&#039;t allow this to go on for much longer as they want an ROI and that means new vehicle development and sustain improvements - that&#039;s how Honda or Toyota has won over the American public and have loyal buyers.  Though Cerebus may just strip the company into pieces and sell &#039;em to the highest bidders.

By significantly cutting out an production and dealer infrastruture that needs to sell 2.5m cars a year that cannot be scaled back to 1m cars a year and get back to the basics and build a set core of vehicles - they will have an advantage versus GM / Ford which have much larger infrastructure that they can no longer afford to pay for b/c their market share and sales have dropped substantially.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><i>sitting@home: They were all great cars, but they’re all past their prime with no replacements in sight. Their newest cars (Sebring, Avenger, Caliber, the latest minivans and the Jeep-etes) are just not competitive, so I can’t see how the company can continue selling vehicles profitably even if it didn’t have the burden of legacy costs.</i><br />
With a reduction in legacy costs they will have the money and possibly the management that will change the cycle of allowing an initial hit to not rot on the vine and continually update it.  Their new cars are quite bad b/c they are so in debt and with no plan to survive.  Cerebus won&#8217;t allow this to go on for much longer as they want an ROI and that means new vehicle development and sustain improvements &#8211; that&#8217;s how Honda or Toyota has won over the American public and have loyal buyers.  Though Cerebus may just strip the company into pieces and sell &#8216;em to the highest bidders.</p>
<p>By significantly cutting out an production and dealer infrastruture that needs to sell 2.5m cars a year that cannot be scaled back to 1m cars a year and get back to the basics and build a set core of vehicles &#8211; they will have an advantage versus GM / Ford which have much larger infrastructure that they can no longer afford to pay for b/c their market share and sales have dropped substantially.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Sherman Lin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sherman Lin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 17:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UAW is not the reason for crappy cars but they are the scapegoat. UAW workers also make Corollas and Tacomas too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->UAW is not the reason for crappy cars but they are the scapegoat. UAW workers also make Corollas and Tacomas too.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Axel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Axel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 16:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt; Airhen:&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;em&gt;As I have said before, my next car is going to be a Honda built right in my own home state of Indiana.&lt;/em&gt;

Hey, I&#039;m a Hoosier too!  Too bad the Fit isn&#039;t made stateside, because that&#039;s what we&#039;re looking at as a replacement for our 180k-mile Saturn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><b> Airhen:</b></p>
<p><em>As I have said before, my next car is going to be a Honda built right in my own home state of Indiana.</em></p>
<p>Hey, I&#8217;m a Hoosier too!  Too bad the Fit isn&#8217;t made stateside, because that&#8217;s what we&#8217;re looking at as a replacement for our 180k-mile Saturn.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Axel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Axel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 16:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Company over.  

Bankruptcy = very yes.

Look for the three-headed dog to let loose &quot;The Minivan Company&quot; and Jeep.  The rest will rot in Hades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Company over.  </p>
<p>Bankruptcy = very yes.</p>
<p>Look for the three-headed dog to let loose &#8220;The Minivan Company&#8221; and Jeep.  The rest will rot in Hades.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: AJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 15:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a guy who loves Jeeps and owns two, I hate to think poorly of Chrysler or see them struggle. But no matter what improvements they make or GM or Ford, they still have the dead weight of the UAW that better manufacturers do not have.

As I have said before, my next car is going to be a Honda built right in my own home state of Indiana.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->As a guy who loves Jeeps and owns two, I hate to think poorly of Chrysler or see them struggle. But no matter what improvements they make or GM or Ford, they still have the dead weight of the UAW that better manufacturers do not have.</p>
<p>As I have said before, my next car is going to be a Honda built right in my own home state of Indiana.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: BlueEr03</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlueEr03</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 15:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eh_Politcal:

Bear wasn&#039;t boosted by Kramer, what he said was that it is ok to leave your money in their account, as you wouldn&#039;t lose that.  He didn&#039;t say anything about the stock itself.</description>
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<p>Bear wasn&#8217;t boosted by Kramer, what he said was that it is ok to leave your money in their account, as you wouldn&#8217;t lose that.  He didn&#8217;t say anything about the stock itself.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: sitting@home</title>
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		<dc:creator>sitting@home</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 14:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;jaje:
 
Chrysler has had several successes - just not able to competitively adapt to the market. The 300, PT Cruiser (when it wasn’t 8 years old), Ram to a degree, Wrangler, Caravan were good sellers and profitable.&lt;/em&gt;

They were all great cars, but they&#039;re all past their prime with no replacements in sight. Their newest cars (Sebring, Avenger, Caliber, the latest minivans and the Jeep-etes) are just not competitive, so I can&#039;t see how the company can continue selling vehicles profitably even if it didn&#039;t have the burden of legacy costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>jaje:</p>
<p>Chrysler has had several successes &#8211; just not able to competitively adapt to the market. The 300, PT Cruiser (when it wasn’t 8 years old), Ram to a degree, Wrangler, Caravan were good sellers and profitable.</em></p>
<p>They were all great cars, but they&#8217;re all past their prime with no replacements in sight. Their newest cars (Sebring, Avenger, Caliber, the latest minivans and the Jeep-etes) are just not competitive, so I can&#8217;t see how the company can continue selling vehicles profitably even if it didn&#8217;t have the burden of legacy costs.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: jolo</title>
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		<dc:creator>jolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 10:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s very easy to tell when one of the Det2.8 are about to file for bankruptcy - whichever one hires someone who has taken a company through chapter 11, like when Steve Miller was hired at Delphi.  RF - Have you heard of any of them hiring someone or a firm that specializes in bankruptcy?  If not, then just read the news flashes as they come down the line and when it happens, get ready for the deathwatch that sends the company down the final spiral to business hell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->It&#8217;s very easy to tell when one of the Det2.8 are about to file for bankruptcy &#8211; whichever one hires someone who has taken a company through chapter 11, like when Steve Miller was hired at Delphi.  RF &#8211; Have you heard of any of them hiring someone or a firm that specializes in bankruptcy?  If not, then just read the news flashes as they come down the line and when it happens, get ready for the deathwatch that sends the company down the final spiral to business hell.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: jaje</title>
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		<dc:creator>jaje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 05:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sitting@home - Chrysler has had several successes - just not able to competitively adapt to the market.  The 300, PT Cruiser (when it wasn&#039;t 8 years old), Ram to a degree, Wrangler, Caravan were good sellers  and profitable.  However Chrysler could never afford to improve the vehicles as they did not have the capital upfront nor the money to redesign every 5 years (GM and Ford did but selectively did the refreshes) - they had the least amount of bargaining power with the unions and have close to the size of Fords # of dealers but with 6% less market share.  They were usually 2nd fiddle to anything Ford / GM did.

Ch11 would be best for them as they are much smaller yet have big concerns and now with an owner that can squeeze blood from a turnip - they will restructure for efficiency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->sitting@home &#8211; Chrysler has had several successes &#8211; just not able to competitively adapt to the market.  The 300, PT Cruiser (when it wasn&#8217;t 8 years old), Ram to a degree, Wrangler, Caravan were good sellers  and profitable.  However Chrysler could never afford to improve the vehicles as they did not have the capital upfront nor the money to redesign every 5 years (GM and Ford did but selectively did the refreshes) &#8211; they had the least amount of bargaining power with the unions and have close to the size of Fords # of dealers but with 6% less market share.  They were usually 2nd fiddle to anything Ford / GM did.</p>
<p>Ch11 would be best for them as they are much smaller yet have big concerns and now with an owner that can squeeze blood from a turnip &#8211; they will restructure for efficiency.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: eh_political</title>
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		<dc:creator>eh_political</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 04:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@SherbornSean

Bear died because it was leveraged 35:1 and the underlying paper was pure excrement, worth pennies on the dollar, or less.  My source is last week&#039;s Economist; a twenty page overview of the ongoing crisis in banking. Bear was rated AAA the week before it&#039;s implosion, was boosted by Kramer, and was bailed out to prevent a complete seizure of capital markets.  Not enough rumors, the smart money, the institutional money bailed, screwing the little guy.

The big three need to be bailed out and protected for basic economic reasons.  Under new management, of course.  The United States requires a mixed economy in order to be healthy--think of it as a diversified portfolio.  It&#039;s time to stop relying on counterproductive economic ideology, and focus on what works, even if it involves borrowing techniques from China, France, or other zones whose practices wrinkle your collective noses, but whose performances run circles around your own.

In reality, American made vehicles are orders of magnitude better than the best of their Chinese badged counterparts.  But absolutely nobody here thinks the US industry deserves to survive.  Absolutely everyone here expects Chinese products to improve, cross the Pacific and compete here.  The difference is protection, and coherent economic policy on the part of the Chinese.  Under no circumstance will the Chinese leadership permit the wholesale destruction of their domestic industry.</description>
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<p>Bear died because it was leveraged 35:1 and the underlying paper was pure excrement, worth pennies on the dollar, or less.  My source is last week&#8217;s Economist; a twenty page overview of the ongoing crisis in banking. Bear was rated AAA the week before it&#8217;s implosion, was boosted by Kramer, and was bailed out to prevent a complete seizure of capital markets.  Not enough rumors, the smart money, the institutional money bailed, screwing the little guy.</p>
<p>The big three need to be bailed out and protected for basic economic reasons.  Under new management, of course.  The United States requires a mixed economy in order to be healthy&#8211;think of it as a diversified portfolio.  It&#8217;s time to stop relying on counterproductive economic ideology, and focus on what works, even if it involves borrowing techniques from China, France, or other zones whose practices wrinkle your collective noses, but whose performances run circles around your own.</p>
<p>In reality, American made vehicles are orders of magnitude better than the best of their Chinese badged counterparts.  But absolutely nobody here thinks the US industry deserves to survive.  Absolutely everyone here expects Chinese products to improve, cross the Pacific and compete here.  The difference is protection, and coherent economic policy on the part of the Chinese.  Under no circumstance will the Chinese leadership permit the wholesale destruction of their domestic industry.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: sitting@home</title>
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		<dc:creator>sitting@home</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 04:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;jaje :

A Chapter 11 shedding of UAW’s stranglehold on labor, franchise laws that prevent closing of slow selling stealerships, and then paying pennies on the dollar to settle debt and get a fresh start. If this happens and they create a quality product mix…the Chrysler that rises from the ashes will have a significant and unassailable advantage.&lt;/em&gt;

But Chrysler&#039;s product line (Jeep largely aside) is rotten from top to bottom. Getting rid of the UAW and dealerships still leaves them with uncompetitive product which will take years to phase out (I doubt they have any kick-ass cars waiting in the wings to be green lit for production). Lousy vehicles got them into this mess, and chapter 11 isn&#039;t going to fix that.</description>
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<p>A Chapter 11 shedding of UAW’s stranglehold on labor, franchise laws that prevent closing of slow selling stealerships, and then paying pennies on the dollar to settle debt and get a fresh start. If this happens and they create a quality product mix…the Chrysler that rises from the ashes will have a significant and unassailable advantage.</em></p>
<p>But Chrysler&#8217;s product line (Jeep largely aside) is rotten from top to bottom. Getting rid of the UAW and dealerships still leaves them with uncompetitive product which will take years to phase out (I doubt they have any kick-ass cars waiting in the wings to be green lit for production). Lousy vehicles got them into this mess, and chapter 11 isn&#8217;t going to fix that.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: John Horner</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Horner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 04:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Chrysler was delierately trainwrecked to the benefit of Benz&quot;

I don&#039;t believe that for a minute.   What possible benefit is there to Daimler from loosing billions on a failed merger?  Chrysler customers and Daimler-Benz customers had about zero overlap before the deal, and killing Chrsyler does nothing to help the Benz side of things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->&#8220;Chrysler was delierately trainwrecked to the benefit of Benz&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe that for a minute.   What possible benefit is there to Daimler from loosing billions on a failed merger?  Chrysler customers and Daimler-Benz customers had about zero overlap before the deal, and killing Chrsyler does nothing to help the Benz side of things.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Stein X Leikanger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stein X Leikanger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 04:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can confirm the Borgward car in the making speculations above - and maybe it is Karma.</description>
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		<title>By: SherbornSean</title>
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		<dc:creator>SherbornSean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 02:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rumours like these killed Bear Stearns, putting thousands out of work.

Which is not to say TTAC is handling it wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Rumours like these killed Bear Stearns, putting thousands out of work.</p>
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		<title>By: psarhjinian</title>
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		<dc:creator>psarhjinian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 02:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing, isn&#039;t it? How Daimler took a company with billions of dollars of reserve and thoroughly burned it (and the company that surrounded it) in a few short years.

Cerberus is just a vulture picking at the corpse and can&#039;t really be blamed for doing what vultures do.  Daimler&#039;s management, though, might find itself in an uncomfortable position if accusations that Chrysler was &lt;i&gt;delierately&lt;/i&gt; trainwrecked to the benefit of Benz are investigated by American authorities.

I could see this resulting in a Senate committee if things go truly pear-shaped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Amazing, isn&#8217;t it? How Daimler took a company with billions of dollars of reserve and thoroughly burned it (and the company that surrounded it) in a few short years.</p>
<p>Cerberus is just a vulture picking at the corpse and can&#8217;t really be blamed for doing what vultures do.  Daimler&#8217;s management, though, might find itself in an uncomfortable position if accusations that Chrysler was <i>delierately</i> trainwrecked to the benefit of Benz are investigated by American authorities.</p>
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		<title>By: menno</title>
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		<dc:creator>menno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 02:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, after digesting a bunch of money, anyway, thoots....

What a waste.  

Sometimes I wonder if Herr Borgward is up there laughing his hiney off at Daimler Benz.  

See, there&#039;s this undercurrent of rumor that D-B didn&#039;t like Borgward stepping on their upmarket turf with his quite nice 2300 Grosser Limousine (big sedan) introduced in 1960, and the Swabians (i.e. Stuttgart folks / Daimler-Benz high honchos) fixed Borgward&#039;s wagon by making sure the Bremen government officials killed off Borgward with a bunch of lies... 

The Bremen state government declared Borgward insolvent (bankrupt) when in fact it really was not, and this led to death-by-heartbreak for Herr Borgward.  

I hear Herr Borgward&#039;s grandson is looking to start building a new car company in Germany.

  (Kizmet / Karma?)

Just as Daimler-Benz finishes dining on Chrysler&#039;s money and casts and eye around for a new dish.... yet nobody is stupid enough to be invited into the parlor by the spider this time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Well, after digesting a bunch of money, anyway, thoots&#8230;.</p>
<p>What a waste.  </p>
<p>Sometimes I wonder if Herr Borgward is up there laughing his hiney off at Daimler Benz.  </p>
<p>See, there&#8217;s this undercurrent of rumor that D-B didn&#8217;t like Borgward stepping on their upmarket turf with his quite nice 2300 Grosser Limousine (big sedan) introduced in 1960, and the Swabians (i.e. Stuttgart folks / Daimler-Benz high honchos) fixed Borgward&#8217;s wagon by making sure the Bremen government officials killed off Borgward with a bunch of lies&#8230; </p>
<p>The Bremen state government declared Borgward insolvent (bankrupt) when in fact it really was not, and this led to death-by-heartbreak for Herr Borgward.  </p>
<p>I hear Herr Borgward&#8217;s grandson is looking to start building a new car company in Germany.</p>
<p>  (Kizmet / Karma?)</p>
<p>Just as Daimler-Benz finishes dining on Chrysler&#8217;s money and casts and eye around for a new dish&#8230;. yet nobody is stupid enough to be invited into the parlor by the spider this time?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: rtz</title>
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		<dc:creator>rtz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 02:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s the start/end dates for the summer holiday?  Is that the time when they retool the assembly lines for next years model line ups?

They still get paid an hourly wage even though they aren&#039;t at work?</description>
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<p>They still get paid an hourly wage even though they aren&#8217;t at work?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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