Comments on: Wild Ass Rumor of the Day: Chrysler C11 Between July 7 – Aug. 3 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/ The Truth About Cars is dedicated to providing candid, unbiased automobile reviews and the latest in auto industry news. Mon, 23 Nov 2009 04:28:48 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Tavert http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/comment-page-1/#comment-558441 Tavert Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:21:32 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/#comment-558441 St. Louis minivan plant shut down too: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121484581164616365.html?mod=googlenews_wsj The article says workers were sent home early today. More time to look for a new job, I suppose. St. Louis minivan plant shut down too: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121484581164616365.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

The article says workers were sent home early today. More time to look for a new job, I suppose.

]]> By: faster_than_rabbit http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/comment-page-1/#comment-557602 faster_than_rabbit Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:47:56 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/#comment-557602 It's not the UAW's fault, any more than British Leyland was the fault of the unions. The unions didn't help, but they're not the root of the problem. It has been written before: the Big 3 were run almost completely incompetently. GM, led almost exclusively by imperial bean counters since approximately 1959. Ford, forever a stratified company of fiefdoms, taboos, and political intrigue. Chrysler, chronic underinvestment in (earlier) styling and (later) R&D. I think Honda would find a way if they had no choice but to deal with the UAW. It’s not the UAW’s fault, any more than British Leyland was the fault of the unions. The unions didn’t help, but they’re not the root of the problem.

It has been written before: the Big 3 were run almost completely incompetently. GM, led almost exclusively by imperial bean counters since approximately 1959. Ford, forever a stratified company of fiefdoms, taboos, and political intrigue. Chrysler, chronic underinvestment in (earlier) styling and (later) R&D.

I think Honda would find a way if they had no choice but to deal with the UAW.

]]> By: AJ http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/comment-page-1/#comment-557522 AJ Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:32:34 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/#comment-557522 The Liberty is a very good vehicle. The last model (the KJ) was a best seller in it's class. What is killing it now and most of Chrysler's vehicles is MPG. Their product line includes mostly below average MPG vehicles. I do not understand why the Big 2.8 has never tried to take on a car as well built with the great MPG like the Civic? Well, of course that would mean that the UAW would have to build it, to answer my own question. ;) The Liberty is a very good vehicle. The last model (the KJ) was a best seller in it’s class. What is killing it now and most of Chrysler’s vehicles is MPG. Their product line includes mostly below average MPG vehicles.

I do not understand why the Big 2.8 has never tried to take on a car as well built with the great MPG like the Civic? Well, of course that would mean that the UAW would have to build it, to answer my own question. ;)

]]> By: ferrarimanf355 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/comment-page-1/#comment-556521 ferrarimanf355 Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:32:03 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/#comment-556521 I didn't know that A-Rod posted here. How's the money George and Hank giving you doing? I didn’t know that A-Rod posted here. How’s the money George and Hank giving you doing?

]]> By: Alex Rodriguez http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/comment-page-1/#comment-556302 Alex Rodriguez Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:11:01 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/#comment-556302 Chrysler will not be filing C11. The mandatory vacation is the cheapest way to improve cash flow without having to lay off, and the plants that are being shutdown for 5-7 weeks are for vehicles that have 100+ days of inventory. On August 4, I will be the first to come on here and say TTAC was dead wrong. Count on it. Chrysler will not be filing C11. The mandatory vacation is the cheapest way to improve cash flow without having to lay off, and the plants that are being shutdown for 5-7 weeks are for vehicles that have 100+ days of inventory.

On August 4, I will be the first to come on here and say TTAC was dead wrong. Count on it.

]]> By: LXbuilder http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/comment-page-1/#comment-556222 LXbuilder Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:53:39 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/#comment-556222 <em>Acd : June 30th, 2008 at 12:07 am So why did Chrysler run Toledo on overtime this past week if they were going to shut down for over a month? To reach a preset production number before shut down. I know it makes little sense, but they do this in plants all the time.</em> Acd :
June 30th, 2008 at 12:07 am

So why did Chrysler run Toledo on overtime this past week if they were going to shut down for over a month?

To reach a preset production number before shut down. I know it makes little sense, but they do this in plants all the time.

]]> By: GS650G http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/comment-page-1/#comment-556112 GS650G Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:47:15 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/#comment-556112 Women and Children to the lifeboats. Women and Children to the lifeboats.

]]> By: Ryan http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/comment-page-1/#comment-555901 Ryan Mon, 30 Jun 2008 05:29:12 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/#comment-555901 Please, please, let this be true. What product do they make that anyone would miss? I would feel for the blue collar workers though. Please, please, let this be true. What product do they make that anyone would miss? I would feel for the blue collar workers though.

]]> By: Acd http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/comment-page-1/#comment-555851 Acd Mon, 30 Jun 2008 04:07:48 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/#comment-555851 So why did Chrysler run Toledo on overtime this past week if they were going to shut down for over a month? So why did Chrysler run Toledo on overtime this past week if they were going to shut down for over a month?

]]> By: LXbuilder http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/comment-page-1/#comment-555762 LXbuilder Mon, 30 Jun 2008 02:37:54 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/#comment-555762 <em>A friend of mine who works for Mopar (Chrysler’s parts and service division) told me that Chrysler quietly rescinded its decision to send the salaried folks home on shutdown for a week or two around July 4. The people whose job it is to improve the products will be hard at work the first week of July, unlike their counterparts at Ford who are home for a week during the Research and Engineering Center shutdown. <strong>That is true.</strong></em> A friend of mine who works for Mopar (Chrysler’s parts and service division) told me that Chrysler quietly rescinded its decision to send the salaried folks home on shutdown for a week or two around July 4. The people whose job it is to improve the products will be hard at work the first week of July, unlike their counterparts at Ford who are home for a week during the Research and Engineering Center shutdown.
That is true.

]]> By: ferrarimanf355 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/comment-page-1/#comment-555172 ferrarimanf355 Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:41:25 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/#comment-555172 Engineer : Remember the movie Scanners? Yeah... Engineer :

Remember the movie Scanners? Yeah…

]]> By: y2kdcar http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/comment-page-1/#comment-555141 y2kdcar Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:08:14 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/#comment-555141 Redbarchetta : .<em>.. They need to fix the crap they are selling now and come out with better products, that’s kind of hard if everyone is gone on vacation. Everyone outside of the assembly line should be working triple time fixing whats wrong to save the company, fighting for survival. ...</em> A friend of mine who works for Mopar (Chrysler's parts and service division) told me that Chrysler quietly rescinded its decision to send the salaried folks home on shutdown for a week or two around July 4. The people whose job it is to improve the products will be hard at work the first week of July, unlike their counterparts at Ford who are home for a week during the Research and Engineering Center shutdown. Redbarchetta :
... They need to fix the crap they are selling now and come out with better products, that’s kind of hard if everyone is gone on vacation. Everyone outside of the assembly line should be working triple time fixing whats wrong to save the company, fighting for survival. …

A friend of mine who works for Mopar (Chrysler’s parts and service division) told me that Chrysler quietly rescinded its decision to send the salaried folks home on shutdown for a week or two around July 4. The people whose job it is to improve the products will be hard at work the first week of July, unlike their counterparts at Ford who are home for a week during the Research and Engineering Center shutdown.

]]> By: Redbarchetta http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/comment-page-1/#comment-555071 Redbarchetta Sun, 29 Jun 2008 18:27:32 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/#comment-555071 Shutting down the auto plants over the summer is normal as everyone has stated. But why the mandatory vacation for the white collar workers especially in the situation the are in right now. Even if ti's to save a fewbucks on payroll it still doesn't make sense for the long term. Is it realy smart for them to be sending home designers/engineers/marketing/etc. whent hey need them to be busting tail the most. They need to fix the crap they are selling now and come out with better products, that's kind of hard if everyone is gone on vacation. Everyone outside of the assembly line should be working triple time fixing whats wrong to save the company, fighting for survival. I'm with RF it's strip and flip time and they just don't want anyone to catch on to that before they file. Shutting down the auto plants over the summer is normal as everyone has stated. But why the mandatory vacation for the white collar workers especially in the situation the are in right now. Even if ti’s to save a fewbucks on payroll it still doesn’t make sense for the long term. Is it realy smart for them to be sending home designers/engineers/marketing/etc. whent hey need them to be busting tail the most. They need to fix the crap they are selling now and come out with better products, that’s kind of hard if everyone is gone on vacation. Everyone outside of the assembly line should be working triple time fixing whats wrong to save the company, fighting for survival.

I’m with RF it’s strip and flip time and they just don’t want anyone to catch on to that before they file.

]]> By: LXbuilder http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/comment-page-1/#comment-555031 LXbuilder Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:55:11 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/#comment-555031 Anyone that works in an auto plant can tell you that a summer shut down for two weeks is normal. Additional time off when sales slump is also normal, given the current market conditions it shouldn't surprise anyone that truck plants would have more downtime added. Anyone that works in an auto plant can tell you that a summer shut down for two weeks is normal. Additional time off when sales slump is also normal, given the current market conditions it shouldn’t surprise anyone that truck plants would have more downtime added.

]]> By: Banned User http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/comment-page-1/#comment-554801 Banned User Sun, 29 Jun 2008 13:56:46 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/#comment-554801 Nothing unusual about shutdowns in the summer. All the plants normally shut for two weeks in the summer for model changeover. Just extending the shutdowns since the product isn't selling. The lack of sales not the shutdowns is what will cause the bankruptcy. the real problem is that their new car products are junk. Give Lasorda a bonus for that. edit: they already did that Nothing unusual about shutdowns in the summer. All the plants normally shut for two weeks in the summer for model changeover. Just extending the shutdowns since the product isn’t selling. The lack of sales not the shutdowns is what will cause the bankruptcy. the real problem is that their new car products are junk. Give Lasorda a bonus for that. edit: they already did that

]]> By: 2worldtrade http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/comment-page-1/#comment-554602 2worldtrade Sun, 29 Jun 2008 10:11:56 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/#comment-554602 I'm new to this blog and I just wanted to say your are the man. I'm very impressed about the reporting on GM, F, and now Chrysler. Very impressed and with daily updates too it seems like. I was expecting GM to go bankrupt first, but Chrysler is also in a dire financial situation. Once those plans shut down its game over IMHO. I’m new to this blog and I just wanted to say your are the man. I’m very impressed about the reporting on GM, F, and now Chrysler. Very impressed and with daily updates too it seems like. I was expecting GM to go bankrupt first, but Chrysler is also in a dire financial situation. Once those plans shut down its game over IMHO.

]]> By: toxicroach http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/comment-page-1/#comment-554511 toxicroach Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:16:41 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/#comment-554511 There's also the fact they are sending the white collar guys home too unless they are essential. And a C11 is a reorganization. You don't cease operations in a C11. There’s also the fact they are sending the white collar guys home too unless they are essential.

And a C11 is a reorganization. You don’t cease operations in a C11.

]]> By: Engineer http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/comment-page-1/#comment-554502 Engineer Sun, 29 Jun 2008 06:40:09 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/#comment-554502 A <b>.9</b> mm slug? That's tiny! Won't hurt a bit. Freudian slip, RF? Darn metric units, eh? A .9 mm slug? That’s tiny! Won’t hurt a bit. Freudian slip, RF?

Darn metric units, eh?

]]> By: Captain Tungsten (of GM) http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/comment-page-1/#comment-554391 Captain Tungsten (of GM) Sun, 29 Jun 2008 03:01:24 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/#comment-554391 There is nothing unusual about a two week car company shutdown in the summer, nothing unusual about shutdowns being extended for slow selling vehicles, and no reason to correlate either event with a pending bankruptcy filing. That's not blood in the water, its red dye #2 There is nothing unusual about a two week car company shutdown in the summer, nothing unusual about shutdowns being extended for slow selling vehicles, and no reason to correlate either event with a pending bankruptcy filing. That’s not blood in the water, its red dye #2

]]> By: rtz http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/comment-page-1/#comment-554322 rtz Sun, 29 Jun 2008 01:48:11 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/#comment-554322 Someone who knows, come on out and spill the beans. The suspense is too much. Someone who knows, come on out and spill the beans. The suspense is too much.

]]> By: ferrarimanf355 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/comment-page-1/#comment-554302 ferrarimanf355 Sun, 29 Jun 2008 01:29:14 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/#comment-554302 factotum: Call it a hunch, that's all. I just don't see them filing for C11. If they do, though, I'm guessing that the politicians will do whatever they can to ensure that the Chrysler brands stay in American hands. Call that one a hunch based on the Anheiser-Busch/Inbev brouhaha... factotum:

Call it a hunch, that’s all. I just don’t see them filing for C11. If they do, though, I’m guessing that the politicians will do whatever they can to ensure that the Chrysler brands stay in American hands. Call that one a hunch based on the Anheiser-Busch/Inbev brouhaha…

]]> By: LXbuilder http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/comment-page-1/#comment-554252 LXbuilder Sun, 29 Jun 2008 00:50:08 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/#comment-554252 Did anyone notice these are truck/SUV plants? I can't speak for all plants, but I know that Brampton Assembly [Home of full sized cars] is not shutting down any longer than its normal two weeks. I know Chrysler is on the ropes big time, but all this negative speculation is just that. I'll bet you Chrysler is still plugging away come Aug. 4th. Did anyone notice these are truck/SUV plants? I can’t speak for all plants, but I know that Brampton Assembly [Home of full sized cars] is not shutting down any longer than its normal two weeks. I know Chrysler is on the ropes big time, but all this negative speculation is just that. I’ll bet you Chrysler is still plugging away come Aug. 4th.

]]> By: Jeff Puthuff http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/comment-page-1/#comment-554191 Jeff Puthuff Sun, 29 Jun 2008 00:00:40 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/#comment-554191 <p>Ferrariman:</p> <p>Mr. Farago has provided many reasons for why ChryCo might file; what's your reasoning that they won't?</p>

Ferrariman:

Mr. Farago has provided many reasons for why ChryCo might file; what's your reasoning that they won't?

]]> By: blowfish http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/comment-page-1/#comment-554032 blowfish Sat, 28 Jun 2008 22:41:57 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/#comment-554032 On what ground could Chryslerbus to commence court action on Dumbler? Even Dumbler herself cannot guarantee any of her car can sell. Neither Slick Rick no Mulally. On what ground could Chryslerbus to commence court action on Dumbler?
Even Dumbler herself cannot guarantee any of her car can sell. Neither Slick Rick no Mulally.

]]> By: Runfromcheney http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/comment-page-1/#comment-553921 Runfromcheney Sat, 28 Jun 2008 21:15:20 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wild-ass-rumor-of-the-day-chrysler-c11-between-july-7-aug-3/#comment-553921 I guess I only have one more months to say goodbye to my favorite automaker. :( BTW, I believe that most of Chrysler's current product line is crap. Only a few models are good. I mainly like them for their clever designs of the past. Like the 90s. Even if they had poopy transmissions, you got to give Chrysler credit, as the designs were quite clever and well thought out. I guess I only have one more months to say goodbye to my favorite automaker. :(

BTW, I believe that most of Chrysler’s current product line is crap. Only a few models are good. I mainly like them for their clever designs of the past. Like the 90s. Even if they had poopy transmissions, you got to give Chrysler credit, as the designs were quite clever and well thought out.

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