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	<title>Comments on: While America Slept. Wednesday, March 4th 2009</title>
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		<title>By: Kurt.</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/while-america-slept-wednesday-march-4th-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-1336802</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurt.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 09:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, government loans are SOCIALISM. The question is &quot;Is it bad?&quot; One would say that providing a LOAN when times are tough is humaine. However, if you are going to loan someone elses money, you better have a strong belief that you will get that money back in return. Otherwise it will have to come out of your pocket.

The 2 American companies have no intention of paying back the loans. If they sold everything in a fire sale (chapter 7), they couldn&#039;t pay back the loans provided by the US government, not to mention all the other loans and bonds (basically just another type of loan) that have priority above it.

The companies in Japan are requesting short term loans just to preserve capital.

I really do feel for the employees of these companies and all their suppliers. It&#039;s a bitch what Detroit has has to endure. However, just because GM and Chrysler couldn&#039;t get it right, doesn&#039;t mean the tax payers should loan them 330 times the value of the company. 

I am of the belief that when/if GM and Chrysler finalyy do go down, someone new will step in and pick up the slack. That could be the reason for the foriegn brands to get loans...be prepared to pick up the slack. The employees of GM and Chrysler should be dusting off and polishing their resumes...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Yes, government loans are SOCIALISM. The question is &#8220;Is it bad?&#8221; One would say that providing a LOAN when times are tough is humaine. However, if you are going to loan someone elses money, you better have a strong belief that you will get that money back in return. Otherwise it will have to come out of your pocket.</p>
<p>The 2 American companies have no intention of paying back the loans. If they sold everything in a fire sale (chapter 7), they couldn&#8217;t pay back the loans provided by the US government, not to mention all the other loans and bonds (basically just another type of loan) that have priority above it.</p>
<p>The companies in Japan are requesting short term loans just to preserve capital.</p>
<p>I really do feel for the employees of these companies and all their suppliers. It&#8217;s a bitch what Detroit has has to endure. However, just because GM and Chrysler couldn&#8217;t get it right, doesn&#8217;t mean the tax payers should loan them 330 times the value of the company. </p>
<p>I am of the belief that when/if GM and Chrysler finalyy do go down, someone new will step in and pick up the slack. That could be the reason for the foriegn brands to get loans&#8230;be prepared to pick up the slack. The employees of GM and Chrysler should be dusting off and polishing their resumes&#8230;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: wsn</title>
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		<dc:creator>wsn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;BDB said:

Do you believe government loans are “socialism”? After all Toyota and Nissan can’t get loans from normal commercial banks right now in the “free market”.&lt;/i&gt;

I believe it&#039;s wrong. But I don&#039;t know if &quot;socialism&quot; is the right word. It has so many meanings in different context.

More importantly, I believe this whole government-bank mess started when the Federal Reserve was created. It has always been the same game. Just that recent developments are more dramatic and more revealing to the public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><i>BDB said:</p>
<p>Do you believe government loans are “socialism”? After all Toyota and Nissan can’t get loans from normal commercial banks right now in the “free market”.</i></p>
<p>I believe it&#8217;s wrong. But I don&#8217;t know if &#8220;socialism&#8221; is the right word. It has so many meanings in different context.</p>
<p>More importantly, I believe this whole government-bank mess started when the Federal Reserve was created. It has always been the same game. Just that recent developments are more dramatic and more revealing to the public.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: dougjp</title>
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		<dc:creator>dougjp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Opel story - obvious name mistake typo!
Corrected. Domo arigatou

I don&#039;t see it, maybe my cache won&#039;t clear. The typo I referred to is the name &quot;Foster&quot; used twice, and &quot;Forster&quot; used once. I believe all of these are meant to refer to the same person?</description>
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Corrected. Domo arigatou</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see it, maybe my cache won&#8217;t clear. The typo I referred to is the name &#8220;Foster&#8221; used twice, and &#8220;Forster&#8221; used once. I believe all of these are meant to refer to the same person?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: BDB</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/while-america-slept-wednesday-march-4th-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-1335621</link>
		<dc:creator>BDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WSN:

Do you believe government loans are &quot;socialism&quot;? After all Toyota and Nissan can&#039;t get loans from normal commercial banks right now in the &quot;free market&quot;.</description>
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<p>Do you believe government loans are &#8220;socialism&#8221;? After all Toyota and Nissan can&#8217;t get loans from normal commercial banks right now in the &#8220;free market&#8221;.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: wsn</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/while-america-slept-wednesday-march-4th-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-1335572</link>
		<dc:creator>wsn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Borrow with collateral = Loan
Begging without collateral = Bailout

Consider a home owner, if he has enough equity, then it&#039;s a loan. If he is &quot;upside down&quot; and late on payments, then it&#039;s a bailout.</description>
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Begging without collateral = Bailout</p>
<p>Consider a home owner, if he has enough equity, then it&#8217;s a loan. If he is &#8220;upside down&#8221; and late on payments, then it&#8217;s a bailout.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: BDB</title>
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		<dc:creator>BDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What? No slamming them for being on &quot;welfare&quot;? No waste of taxpayer dollars? 

If you&#039;re against the government helping private corporations, it shouldn&#039;t matter what the size or purpose is. That&#039;s the rhetoric I&#039;ve heard from a lot of commentors on here, anyway. Taking government loans is Marxist, they should take their lumps in the free market, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->What? No slamming them for being on &#8220;welfare&#8221;? No waste of taxpayer dollars? </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re against the government helping private corporations, it shouldn&#8217;t matter what the size or purpose is. That&#8217;s the rhetoric I&#8217;ve heard from a lot of commentors on here, anyway. Taking government loans is Marxist, they should take their lumps in the free market, etc.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: tesla deathwatcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>tesla deathwatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Japanese carmakers have big problems now too.  These loans help, certainly.  But unless I&#039;m really missing something, none of the Japanese carmakers need money to keep the lights on.  

Note that the Japanese government has made these loans available to any exporter, not just carmakers.  All Japanese exporters have been hammered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->The Japanese carmakers have big problems now too.  These loans help, certainly.  But unless I&#8217;m really missing something, none of the Japanese carmakers need money to keep the lights on.  </p>
<p>Note that the Japanese government has made these loans available to any exporter, not just carmakers.  All Japanese exporters have been hammered.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: BDB</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/while-america-slept-wednesday-march-4th-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-1335042</link>
		<dc:creator>BDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Nissan is double dipping—at the very least. They applied for a roughly 50 billion yen loan with the DBJ as well as &lt;b&gt;a low-interest loan from the US government&lt;/b&gt;.&quot;

Nissan Death Watch?

Sorry, I couldn&#039;t help it!

I am really looking forward to Bob Corker&#039;s reaction though, since he&#039;s so strongly against government intervention in the auto industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->&#8220;Nissan is double dipping—at the very least. They applied for a roughly 50 billion yen loan with the DBJ as well as <b>a low-interest loan from the US government</b>.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nissan Death Watch?</p>
<p>Sorry, I couldn&#8217;t help it!</p>
<p>I am really looking forward to Bob Corker&#8217;s reaction though, since he&#8217;s so strongly against government intervention in the auto industry.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Bertel Schmitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bertel Schmitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corrected. Domo arigatou</description>
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		<title>By: dougjp</title>
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		<dc:creator>dougjp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Opel story - obvious name mistake typo!</description>
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