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		<title>By: Michael Ayoub</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/what-grinds-my-gears/comment-page-2/#comment-734551</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Ayoub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 01:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@iganpo

&quot;I hate the way people use “hybrid” as a verb. Cadillac has an ad where this guy driving a Escapade ranting about how hybrids are always small cars and says “You know what they should hybrid? This! This is what they should hybrid.” I feel sorry for the actor; I’m sure he’s a decent guy. But he sounds like a complete idiot for misusing a common English word. Leave it to brainless marketing to abuse common words (hybrid) and pieces of music (United Airlines and Gershwin’s “Rhapsody in Blue”).&quot;

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Well, this is a feature of English. Get over it. It&#039;s not uncommon for nouns to become causative verbs.

&quot;You know what they should hybrid?&quot; &lt; &quot;You know what they should make a hybrid?&quot;</description>
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<p>&#8220;I hate the way people use “hybrid” as a verb. Cadillac has an ad where this guy driving a Escapade ranting about how hybrids are always small cars and says “You know what they should hybrid? This! This is what they should hybrid.” I feel sorry for the actor; I’m sure he’s a decent guy. But he sounds like a complete idiot for misusing a common English word. Leave it to brainless marketing to abuse common words (hybrid) and pieces of music (United Airlines and Gershwin’s “Rhapsody in Blue”).&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Well, this is a feature of English. Get over it. It&#8217;s not uncommon for nouns to become causative verbs.</p>
<p>&#8220;You know what they should hybrid?&#8221; &lt; &#8220;You know what they should make a hybrid?&#8221;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: TR3GUY</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In taking a new job my commute miles has doubled.  Said many times before:  Why do people get in the left lane where they match the speed of the car to their right?  When the sign says merge right why do people pass as many cars as possible then cut in at the last minute?  Why don&#039;t people put down thier cel phones long enough to signal? 

I like &lt;strong&gt;leather&lt;/strong&gt; as much as the next guy but in both the Miata and Subaru it has the texture of an old canvas sail. I am told if it were buttery and soft like my coach briefcase it would wear out too fast.  

Just because you have a Jetta don&#039;t try to drive it like a BMW.  Wait that&#039;s an insult to BMWs. Havinga 5-10 YO Jetta even with an oversized exhast isn&#039;t going to make you go much faster, lowed or not. So stop trying to cut in and out.

And yes paddle shifters NOW gring my gears.  I guess I felt better not having an automatic but it&#039;s a poor substitute for a true stick.  (You can&#039;t get the revs up between downshifts) That said (sorry) Auto is a pleasure for the traffic</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->In taking a new job my commute miles has doubled.  Said many times before:  Why do people get in the left lane where they match the speed of the car to their right?  When the sign says merge right why do people pass as many cars as possible then cut in at the last minute?  Why don&#8217;t people put down thier cel phones long enough to signal? </p>
<p>I like <strong>leather</strong> as much as the next guy but in both the Miata and Subaru it has the texture of an old canvas sail. I am told if it were buttery and soft like my coach briefcase it would wear out too fast.  </p>
<p>Just because you have a Jetta don&#8217;t try to drive it like a BMW.  Wait that&#8217;s an insult to BMWs. Havinga 5-10 YO Jetta even with an oversized exhast isn&#8217;t going to make you go much faster, lowed or not. So stop trying to cut in and out.</p>
<p>And yes paddle shifters NOW gring my gears.  I guess I felt better not having an automatic but it&#8217;s a poor substitute for a true stick.  (You can&#8217;t get the revs up between downshifts) That said (sorry) Auto is a pleasure for the traffic<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Rix</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/what-grinds-my-gears/comment-page-2/#comment-731271</link>
		<dc:creator>Rix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 06:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I absolutely detest marketing departments that think by popping a badge on a car, it suddenly gains an image. &quot;Look, we just slapped a Pontiac badge on this Cobalt. Now it&#039;s a performance car.&quot; Actually, it&#039;s more like &quot;Look, we slapped a Pontiac badge on this Cobalt. Now we&#039;re dragging down two brands.&quot;

I detest Detroit management that for 30 years has lost market share pretty much every year and considered it &quot;business as usual.&quot; Yeah, I&#039;m looking at you, GM, Ford, and Chrysler. 

I detest the use of the word &#039;competitive&#039; when the product is not. &quot;Our new Pontiac Troglydite is class competitive with Camry and Accord.&quot; No, class competitive is selling at least half as many. If you sell 20% as many and half go to Avis, you are not &#039;competitive.&#039; You are toast.

I detest buzz by PR. I don&#039;t care if you are going to be selling the Millennium Falcon in 2010, don&#039;t run your PR mouth about it until I can buy it in the showroom. This goes double or triple for  hybrids. Especially if the competition for your $40k car prices at $25k, has been selling them for 15 years, sells them in massive numbers, and makes money.</description>
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<p>I detest Detroit management that for 30 years has lost market share pretty much every year and considered it &#8220;business as usual.&#8221; Yeah, I&#8217;m looking at you, GM, Ford, and Chrysler. </p>
<p>I detest the use of the word &#8216;competitive&#8217; when the product is not. &#8220;Our new Pontiac Troglydite is class competitive with Camry and Accord.&#8221; No, class competitive is selling at least half as many. If you sell 20% as many and half go to Avis, you are not &#8216;competitive.&#8217; You are toast.</p>
<p>I detest buzz by PR. I don&#8217;t care if you are going to be selling the Millennium Falcon in 2010, don&#8217;t run your PR mouth about it until I can buy it in the showroom. This goes double or triple for  hybrids. Especially if the competition for your $40k car prices at $25k, has been selling them for 15 years, sells them in massive numbers, and makes money.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: golden2husky</title>
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		<dc:creator>golden2husky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 01:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Golden,

Okay, they should be saying bimmer, but what’s the hate for the X5 owners? I test drove a couple of them. Went a different direction, but I think they were both nice vehicles and very BMW.&lt;/em&gt;...

Sorry, no &quot;hate&quot; intended.  The X5 is good, but when I hear some  talk about how great it performs - like a M3 that goes off road...IMHO a Range Rover off road it is not.  That is all I meant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>Golden,</p>
<p>Okay, they should be saying bimmer, but what’s the hate for the X5 owners? I test drove a couple of them. Went a different direction, but I think they were both nice vehicles and very BMW.</em>&#8230;</p>
<p>Sorry, no &#8220;hate&#8221; intended.  The X5 is good, but when I hear some  talk about how great it performs &#8211; like a M3 that goes off road&#8230;IMHO a Range Rover off road it is not.  That is all I meant.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: niloC</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/what-grinds-my-gears/comment-page-2/#comment-730901</link>
		<dc:creator>niloC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re upholstery:  The best thing I&#039;ve sat my arse upon automotively is MB-Tex.  The feel and easy (even easier than the) cleanability of leather, but ventilated and more breathable, like cloth.  Wears like iron, still looks good after 20 + years when the real leather has long ago cracked and faded.  Doesn&#039;t collect stains and tear like cloth.  Does anyone know of a better vinyl seat covering?  I almost hesitate to call MB-Tex vinyl.  

+1 on the &quot;wouldn&#039;t be caught dead in a mini-van&quot; comment.  I don&#039;t own one either, but it&#039;s getting to the point where I wouldn&#039;t be caught dead in the vehicle that most of the m-v haters likely drive - the SUV.   

+1 on the engine covers.  WTF?  I guess since these days your really not meant to work on your own car anymore, or at best chuck-and-replace, they just part of deal now-a-days.  (and why I trogoloditically prefer older cars).  

What Grinds my Gears are most car commercials.  From the SUVs supposedly letting you conquer mountain tops to the luxury car that clearly you must have to defin your own wonderful sense of self-importance, they just give me a weird sense of embarrassment to watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Re upholstery:  The best thing I&#8217;ve sat my arse upon automotively is MB-Tex.  The feel and easy (even easier than the) cleanability of leather, but ventilated and more breathable, like cloth.  Wears like iron, still looks good after 20 + years when the real leather has long ago cracked and faded.  Doesn&#8217;t collect stains and tear like cloth.  Does anyone know of a better vinyl seat covering?  I almost hesitate to call MB-Tex vinyl.  </p>
<p>+1 on the &#8220;wouldn&#8217;t be caught dead in a mini-van&#8221; comment.  I don&#8217;t own one either, but it&#8217;s getting to the point where I wouldn&#8217;t be caught dead in the vehicle that most of the m-v haters likely drive &#8211; the SUV.   </p>
<p>+1 on the engine covers.  WTF?  I guess since these days your really not meant to work on your own car anymore, or at best chuck-and-replace, they just part of deal now-a-days.  (and why I trogoloditically prefer older cars).  </p>
<p>What Grinds my Gears are most car commercials.  From the SUVs supposedly letting you conquer mountain tops to the luxury car that clearly you must have to defin your own wonderful sense of self-importance, they just give me a weird sense of embarrassment to watch.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: iganpo</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/what-grinds-my-gears/comment-page-2/#comment-730631</link>
		<dc:creator>iganpo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate the way people use &quot;hybrid&quot; as a verb.  Cadillac has an ad where this guy driving a Escapade ranting about how hybrids are always small cars and says &quot;You know what they should hybrid?  This!  This is what they should hybrid.&quot;  I feel sorry for the actor;  I&#039;m sure he&#039;s a decent guy.  But he sounds like a complete idiot for misusing a common English word.  Leave it to brainless marketing to abuse common words (hybrid) and pieces of music (United Airlines and Gershwin&#039;s &quot;Rhapsody in Blue&quot;).

Lexus had this test driving event, and they had a section called &quot;Hybrid living&quot;.  What the heck is &quot;hybrid living&quot;???  Buying a 5000 lbs 22 HW mpg $110K luxo-barge and equipping your penthouse flat with bamboo coffee tables!

And what&#039;s with GM putting their newest high-tech two mode hybrid drivetrain into full-size SUVs?  All that accomplishes is to make an ungainly, heavy vehicle even heavier and more ungainly, with a slight improvement in fuel economy.  Anyone who is really concerned about fuel economy isn&#039;t going to be shopping in this market segment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I hate the way people use &#8220;hybrid&#8221; as a verb.  Cadillac has an ad where this guy driving a Escapade ranting about how hybrids are always small cars and says &#8220;You know what they should hybrid?  This!  This is what they should hybrid.&#8221;  I feel sorry for the actor;  I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;s a decent guy.  But he sounds like a complete idiot for misusing a common English word.  Leave it to brainless marketing to abuse common words (hybrid) and pieces of music (United Airlines and Gershwin&#8217;s &#8220;Rhapsody in Blue&#8221;).</p>
<p>Lexus had this test driving event, and they had a section called &#8220;Hybrid living&#8221;.  What the heck is &#8220;hybrid living&#8221;???  Buying a 5000 lbs 22 HW mpg $110K luxo-barge and equipping your penthouse flat with bamboo coffee tables!</p>
<p>And what&#8217;s with GM putting their newest high-tech two mode hybrid drivetrain into full-size SUVs?  All that accomplishes is to make an ungainly, heavy vehicle even heavier and more ungainly, with a slight improvement in fuel economy.  Anyone who is really concerned about fuel economy isn&#8217;t going to be shopping in this market segment.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: JEC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JEC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still prefer leather in my cars, with reservations:

For some reason, new Mercedes leather smells like a petro chemical plant. I sat in a showroom E-class and almost vomited from the noxious smell. And I&#039;m an in-car smoker, that&#039;s how awful it was. The poor salesperson just didn&#039;t know how to react - I suspect he was just peeved that MB was making his job that much harder.

Some of the most buttery leather I encountered was in, of all things, a used BMW 528i. I think it was a 2000 or thereabouts. It was firm but had a perfect surface texture, it felt like silk with a touch of gun oil. Mmmm. Next up was my father&#039;s 2003 Altima, which was very similar to the 528 - firm but soft to the touch. Surprising considering the leather was probably sourced from a McDonalds abattoir. 

Then there is the inch-thick everlasting leather you get in a truly hewn-from-granite car. Not as comfy, but so reassuringly well crafted. Best here was the W140 S-Class. Those interiors were simple but felt so good - thick carpet, thick leather, Teutonic slabs of wood, and double paned windows. My Infiniti Q45 has a similar type of leather (17 years and 150 000 miles and it still isn&#039;t cracked or faded), but the rest is JapanInc and the dash fascia is falling off.

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As for engine detail, every engineer should be given a picture of a Ferrari 250 TR engine bay and told to beat that. If that&#039;s too spartan then emulate the 365 Daytona.</description>
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<p>For some reason, new Mercedes leather smells like a petro chemical plant. I sat in a showroom E-class and almost vomited from the noxious smell. And I&#8217;m an in-car smoker, that&#8217;s how awful it was. The poor salesperson just didn&#8217;t know how to react &#8211; I suspect he was just peeved that MB was making his job that much harder.</p>
<p>Some of the most buttery leather I encountered was in, of all things, a used BMW 528i. I think it was a 2000 or thereabouts. It was firm but had a perfect surface texture, it felt like silk with a touch of gun oil. Mmmm. Next up was my father&#8217;s 2003 Altima, which was very similar to the 528 &#8211; firm but soft to the touch. Surprising considering the leather was probably sourced from a McDonalds abattoir. </p>
<p>Then there is the inch-thick everlasting leather you get in a truly hewn-from-granite car. Not as comfy, but so reassuringly well crafted. Best here was the W140 S-Class. Those interiors were simple but felt so good &#8211; thick carpet, thick leather, Teutonic slabs of wood, and double paned windows. My Infiniti Q45 has a similar type of leather (17 years and 150 000 miles and it still isn&#8217;t cracked or faded), but the rest is JapanInc and the dash fascia is falling off.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>As for engine detail, every engineer should be given a picture of a Ferrari 250 TR engine bay and told to beat that. If that&#8217;s too spartan then emulate the 365 Daytona.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: viroe</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What grinds my gears? Nearly every article on TTAC , no matter who&#039;s writing , has to use the &quot;That said&quot; phrase .....That said , TTAC&#039;s is a great website!</description>
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		<title>By: CarShark</title>
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		<dc:creator>CarShark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I dislike most (and I&#039;ve said this before) is when people try to pigeonhole the people who buy a certain car. Also, I can&#039;t stand it when one part of the enthusiast population looks down their nose at another, or the average car buyer.

Oh, and tying certain trim levels and engines to bodystyles. If I wanted a Mazda3, for instance, I can have the 2.0L in the sedan for $15,000 or the the or the 2.3L in the sedan for $18,500 or the 2.3L in the hatchback for $19,000. Why can&#039;t I have the 2.0L in the hatchback???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->What I dislike most (and I&#8217;ve said this before) is when people try to pigeonhole the people who buy a certain car. Also, I can&#8217;t stand it when one part of the enthusiast population looks down their nose at another, or the average car buyer.</p>
<p>Oh, and tying certain trim levels and engines to bodystyles. If I wanted a Mazda3, for instance, I can have the 2.0L in the sedan for $15,000 or the the or the 2.3L in the sedan for $18,500 or the 2.3L in the hatchback for $19,000. Why can&#8217;t I have the 2.0L in the hatchback???<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Tyler D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyler D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I don&#039;t push the clutch all the way in...</description>
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		<title>By: Areitu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Areitu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Ayoub : I certainly do believe it. As an enthusiast, I&#039;m actually fine with the way things are now. On a logical and practical level, it grinds my gears. 

Are cars better in every respect than 100 years ago? Absolutely and undoubtedly without question. 

Have cars changed, fundamentally and conceptually? Not at all. 

If you came from an alien planet that didn&#039;t develop cars, a &#039;32 Ford Model A and a Bugatti Veyron, would appear to be conceptually identical: Metal enclosures on four doughnuts of rubber or a similar petrochemical product. 

Enter through a hinged door, sit on a seat. An operater manipulates a large circular gear which manipulates the direction of the front two doughnuts. One pedal controls the ICE, which compresses and ignites a vaporized mixture of air and combustible fluid, converting it into motion through metal rods and a shaft. That is, in turn, transmitted to the rubber doughnuts via a set of gears to create motion in one of two directions. The other pedal, mounted to the left side in both cars, applies friction materials (via hydraulics) to scrub forward motion into heat. Even things like radiators are the same: Forcing fluid around  the combustion chambers and through a series of metal tubes. 

(I&#039;d still take the Bugatti)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Michael Ayoub : I certainly do believe it. As an enthusiast, I&#8217;m actually fine with the way things are now. On a logical and practical level, it grinds my gears. </p>
<p>Are cars better in every respect than 100 years ago? Absolutely and undoubtedly without question. </p>
<p>Have cars changed, fundamentally and conceptually? Not at all. </p>
<p>If you came from an alien planet that didn&#8217;t develop cars, a &#8216;32 Ford Model A and a Bugatti Veyron, would appear to be conceptually identical: Metal enclosures on four doughnuts of rubber or a similar petrochemical product. </p>
<p>Enter through a hinged door, sit on a seat. An operater manipulates a large circular gear which manipulates the direction of the front two doughnuts. One pedal controls the ICE, which compresses and ignites a vaporized mixture of air and combustible fluid, converting it into motion through metal rods and a shaft. That is, in turn, transmitted to the rubber doughnuts via a set of gears to create motion in one of two directions. The other pedal, mounted to the left side in both cars, applies friction materials (via hydraulics) to scrub forward motion into heat. Even things like radiators are the same: Forcing fluid around  the combustion chambers and through a series of metal tubes. </p>
<p>(I&#8217;d still take the Bugatti)<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: nudave</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Ashy Larry:&lt;/em&gt;

Agree completely on the term &quot;crossover&quot;.  Transvestite would be a better word.

I drive a CR-V.  I don&#039;t think of it as a crossover or an SUV.  It&#039;s either a station wagon or a five door hatchback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>Ashy Larry:</em></p>
<p>Agree completely on the term &#8220;crossover&#8221;.  Transvestite would be a better word.</p>
<p>I drive a CR-V.  I don&#8217;t think of it as a crossover or an SUV.  It&#8217;s either a station wagon or a five door hatchback.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Ashy Larry</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/what-grinds-my-gears/comment-page-2/#comment-726382</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashy Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.  The obsession with sunroofs.  Sure they are nice but they rob 1-3&quot; of headroom, depending on the model (which sucks for those tall of stature like me).  As a result, carmakers force sunroofs on every one of the cars apart from stripper models.  So if I want to buy a nice car with some nice interior features, I need to hope and pray that their sunroof does not ruin the party for me.  Kudos to Mazda for making their excellent CX9 available in Grand Touring trim without a sumroof (albeit only because they can&#039;t fit both the roof and the rear entertainment system in the same car).

2.  The overwrought overstyling trend that Bangle brought upon us. The Dame Edna headlights and bustle-butt trunk of the 5- and 7-series and the slash-wounds on the Z4 have &quot;liberated&quot; designers from making handsome cars, freeing them to inflict upon us abominations like Acura&#039;s MDX/TL/TSX shield-grill fest and misshapen RDX, Audi&#039;s gapmouth grille obsession and woefully awkward Q7, Mercedes&#039; ugly wheel wells and lumpen shape of the S-class (as well as the awful lines of the new C-class), Honda&#039;s tumor-infested and proportion-lacking Accord, the asphalt-barnacle-look of Toyota&#039;s Matrix Corolla and Camry, the blob-of-cirsscrossed shapes and lines that is the Sebring, and countless other design disasters.  Thanks, Chris!

3.  SUV&#039;s that are more compromised in interior space than smaller cars.  When cars like the Fit, Mini Cooper and Versa can offer headroom and legroom that bests a Yukon, what does that say about sloppy engineering in the Yukon?  As a 6&#039;6&quot; guy, I&#039;m constantly shocked at the wide range of cars I don&#039;t fit into (e.g., Yukon, GM Lambda&#039;s) and those that I do (the aforementioned three).

3.  The word &quot;crossover&quot;.  95% of the vehicles to which this new marketing-inspired word are assigned are SUV&#039;s, and a good chunk of those are bigger than true body-on-frame trucks.  Which brings me to &quot;SUV&quot; - aint nothing sport about one of those, unless you&#039;re talking about the Cayenne Turbo or an AMG Benz.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->1.  The obsession with sunroofs.  Sure they are nice but they rob 1-3&#8243; of headroom, depending on the model (which sucks for those tall of stature like me).  As a result, carmakers force sunroofs on every one of the cars apart from stripper models.  So if I want to buy a nice car with some nice interior features, I need to hope and pray that their sunroof does not ruin the party for me.  Kudos to Mazda for making their excellent CX9 available in Grand Touring trim without a sumroof (albeit only because they can&#8217;t fit both the roof and the rear entertainment system in the same car).</p>
<p>2.  The overwrought overstyling trend that Bangle brought upon us. The Dame Edna headlights and bustle-butt trunk of the 5- and 7-series and the slash-wounds on the Z4 have &#8220;liberated&#8221; designers from making handsome cars, freeing them to inflict upon us abominations like Acura&#8217;s MDX/TL/TSX shield-grill fest and misshapen RDX, Audi&#8217;s gapmouth grille obsession and woefully awkward Q7, Mercedes&#8217; ugly wheel wells and lumpen shape of the S-class (as well as the awful lines of the new C-class), Honda&#8217;s tumor-infested and proportion-lacking Accord, the asphalt-barnacle-look of Toyota&#8217;s Matrix Corolla and Camry, the blob-of-cirsscrossed shapes and lines that is the Sebring, and countless other design disasters.  Thanks, Chris!</p>
<p>3.  SUV&#8217;s that are more compromised in interior space than smaller cars.  When cars like the Fit, Mini Cooper and Versa can offer headroom and legroom that bests a Yukon, what does that say about sloppy engineering in the Yukon?  As a 6&#8242;6&#8243; guy, I&#8217;m constantly shocked at the wide range of cars I don&#8217;t fit into (e.g., Yukon, GM Lambda&#8217;s) and those that I do (the aforementioned three).</p>
<p>3.  The word &#8220;crossover&#8221;.  95% of the vehicles to which this new marketing-inspired word are assigned are SUV&#8217;s, and a good chunk of those are bigger than true body-on-frame trucks.  Which brings me to &#8220;SUV&#8221; &#8211; aint nothing sport about one of those, unless you&#8217;re talking about the Cayenne Turbo or an AMG Benz.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Kluttz</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/what-grinds-my-gears/comment-page-2/#comment-726381</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Kluttz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>adamo331: Your last paragraph is the exact reason Car and Driver no longer has my business.  Always a BMW or one of those tricked-out aftermarket jokes on the cover.  Got tired of having to dig through to find an article on a REAL car that REAL people can afford to buy and drive.  Hell, once you look at the Accord, you need look no further, anyway.</description>
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		<title>By: jerseydevil</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/what-grinds-my-gears/comment-page-2/#comment-725152</link>
		<dc:creator>jerseydevil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, you pretty much nailed it for me.  Of particular note, the bit about the GTI with 80mpg.  Perfect.

Also,I got an new DTS for work, there is such a   strong smell of whatever it is inside, i have kept the windows open for a week now! I am positive that it is an added &quot;scent of new car&quot;, which got spilled all over buy accident. 

And I MUCH prefer fabric in cars. My uncle had a mid 80&#039;s lincoln sedan that had wonderful  cushy cloth seats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Well, you pretty much nailed it for me.  Of particular note, the bit about the GTI with 80mpg.  Perfect.</p>
<p>Also,I got an new DTS for work, there is such a   strong smell of whatever it is inside, i have kept the windows open for a week now! I am positive that it is an added &#8220;scent of new car&#8221;, which got spilled all over buy accident. </p>
<p>And I MUCH prefer fabric in cars. My uncle had a mid 80&#8217;s lincoln sedan that had wonderful  cushy cloth seats.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: doctorv8</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/what-grinds-my-gears/comment-page-2/#comment-725141</link>
		<dc:creator>doctorv8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>p00ch wrote &lt;i&gt;1. Push-button ignition - useful on a racecar, ridiculous on a Lexus ES.&lt;/i&gt;

Really? Just drive a keyless ignition car for a week, and then wince when you have to fish your keys out of your pocket after you get belted in....the convenience is well worth it...now buying a Lexus ES is a ridiculous prospect, key or not! ;-)</description>
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<p>Really? Just drive a keyless ignition car for a week, and then wince when you have to fish your keys out of your pocket after you get belted in&#8230;.the convenience is well worth it&#8230;now buying a Lexus ES is a ridiculous prospect, key or not! ;-)<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Rspaight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rspaight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Any votes for 1970s/1980s GM velour fabrics? I remember a few cars with very soft cloth and the colors were coordinated with the body color.&quot;

When I was a kid in the 70s I always thought the big Buicks and Oldsmobiles my grandparents drove were the epitome of luxury. Wire wheel covers and deep red cushy velour were as good as it got.

I&#039;m still a little bummed that they sold the &#039;79 Delta 88 to one of my cousins and not me.</description>
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<p>When I was a kid in the 70s I always thought the big Buicks and Oldsmobiles my grandparents drove were the epitome of luxury. Wire wheel covers and deep red cushy velour were as good as it got.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still a little bummed that they sold the &#8216;79 Delta 88 to one of my cousins and not me.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: davey49</title>
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		<dc:creator>davey49</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My center mounted gauges are awesome thank you very much.
I won&#039;t say bad things about leather because if I had a car with leather it would mean I was driving a nicer car than I am now.
Any votes for 1970s/1980s GM velour fabrics? I remember a few cars with very soft cloth and the colors were coordinated with the body color.
Right on about the luxury crossovers- dumb
nullomodo- don&#039;t worry about the names, when the Chinese come into play we&#039;ll soon have the Awesome Super Car, Golden Sun Best Car Ever, and various superlative words like Superb, Sublime</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->My center mounted gauges are awesome thank you very much.<br />
I won&#8217;t say bad things about leather because if I had a car with leather it would mean I was driving a nicer car than I am now.<br />
Any votes for 1970s/1980s GM velour fabrics? I remember a few cars with very soft cloth and the colors were coordinated with the body color.<br />
Right on about the luxury crossovers- dumb<br />
nullomodo- don&#8217;t worry about the names, when the Chinese come into play we&#8217;ll soon have the Awesome Super Car, Golden Sun Best Car Ever, and various superlative words like Superb, Sublime<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: p00ch</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/what-grinds-my-gears/comment-page-2/#comment-724332</link>
		<dc:creator>p00ch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 02:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Push-button ignition - useful on a racecar, ridiculous on a Lexus ES.

2a. Car commercials with a shot of the driver &#039;shifting&#039; the automatic transmission and the car surging forward.

2b. Manumatics - exceptions exist but most act like a cold shower.

3. Centre-mounted gauges. They&#039;re wrong on every continent.

4. The new TSX.</description>
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<p>2a. Car commercials with a shot of the driver &#8217;shifting&#8217; the automatic transmission and the car surging forward.</p>
<p>2b. Manumatics &#8211; exceptions exist but most act like a cold shower.</p>
<p>3. Centre-mounted gauges. They&#8217;re wrong on every continent.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Ayoub</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Ayoub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 02:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The fact cars haven’t changed a lot in 100 years. You’d think we would have thought of something better by now.&quot;

Oh come on. You can&#039;t really believe that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->&#8220;The fact cars haven’t changed a lot in 100 years. You’d think we would have thought of something better by now.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Landcrusher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Landcrusher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 02:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NoSub,

Sorry, but I don&#039;t think we have much proof that lot&#039;s of people like the Bangle lines. Just because folks buy them, doesn&#039;t mean they aren&#039;t buying them IN SPITE OF the Bangle sheet metal.

If you ask me, it&#039;s not so much the Bangle influence (the subtler butts look ok) as some of the other touches that really went south, like the headlights, ugh.

Golden,

Okay, they should be saying bimmer, but what&#039;s the hate for the X5 owners? I test drove a couple of them. Went a different direction, but I think they were both nice vehicles and very BMW.</description>
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<p>Sorry, but I don&#8217;t think we have much proof that lot&#8217;s of people like the Bangle lines. Just because folks buy them, doesn&#8217;t mean they aren&#8217;t buying them IN SPITE OF the Bangle sheet metal.</p>
<p>If you ask me, it&#8217;s not so much the Bangle influence (the subtler butts look ok) as some of the other touches that really went south, like the headlights, ugh.</p>
<p>Golden,</p>
<p>Okay, they should be saying bimmer, but what&#8217;s the hate for the X5 owners? I test drove a couple of them. Went a different direction, but I think they were both nice vehicles and very BMW.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: golden2husky</title>
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		<dc:creator>golden2husky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hearing people talk about how great their &quot;Beemer&quot; is.  Especially when they have an X5...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Hearing people talk about how great their &#8220;Beemer&#8221; is.  Especially when they have an X5&#8230;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Areitu</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/what-grinds-my-gears/comment-page-2/#comment-724111</link>
		<dc:creator>Areitu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My big long rant got deleted because I was logged out somehow, midpost. :( I&#039;ll just cliffnote them. 

You know what grinds my gears? 

The fact cars haven&#039;t changed a lot in 100 years. You&#039;d think we would have thought of something better by now. 

Special advertising sections in car magazines printed in the same font as the rest of the mag, with too-nice PR photos of a car, along with ludicrous faux-reviews about how wonderful and perfect the car was, while inserting brand names and trademarks where possible to the point of becoming garish and hilarious. 

Deriding hybrids for no real reason other than how they drive and their lack of speed and towing capacity. Most people care more about 41 mpg, than 10 seconds to 60. 

Advertising for cars that don,t and very well may not exist. No fingers need to be pointed for this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->My big long rant got deleted because I was logged out somehow, midpost. :( I&#8217;ll just cliffnote them. </p>
<p>You know what grinds my gears? </p>
<p>The fact cars haven&#8217;t changed a lot in 100 years. You&#8217;d think we would have thought of something better by now. </p>
<p>Special advertising sections in car magazines printed in the same font as the rest of the mag, with too-nice PR photos of a car, along with ludicrous faux-reviews about how wonderful and perfect the car was, while inserting brand names and trademarks where possible to the point of becoming garish and hilarious. </p>
<p>Deriding hybrids for no real reason other than how they drive and their lack of speed and towing capacity. Most people care more about 41 mpg, than 10 seconds to 60. </p>
<p>Advertising for cars that don,t and very well may not exist. No fingers need to be pointed for this one.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: NoSubstitute</title>
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		<dc:creator>NoSubstitute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>adam0331 : 
&quot;I hate how a car with horrid reliability gets a pass on TTAC because “it’s fun to drive.” I’ll take all the boringness of a reliable Camry over being stuck in the shop every other week with a “fun” car.&quot;

That works. You take the Camry and I&#039;ll take the &quot;fun&quot; car.

Ain&#039;t diversity great?

But while we&#039;re ranting, how about references to &quot;Bangle-butts&quot; and comparable Bimmer-bashing? OK we get it: you don&#039;t like. Obviously, lots of people do. There it is again, more of that annoying diversity of opinion.

And speaking of design, what&#039;s with the humongoid grillage on this year&#039;s models? First Audi, then Cadillac and Acura, and now Aveo. Aveo?
Do you think maybe it has something to do with the cars behind the grills being completely generic? Do you think maybe if the car itself had even a detectable hint of style it wouldn&#039;t need Jimmy Durante&#039;s nose to be picked out of a crowd?

Oh, but I like leather. Could be it&#039;s a San Francisco thing.</description>
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&#8220;I hate how a car with horrid reliability gets a pass on TTAC because “it’s fun to drive.” I’ll take all the boringness of a reliable Camry over being stuck in the shop every other week with a “fun” car.&#8221;</p>
<p>That works. You take the Camry and I&#8217;ll take the &#8220;fun&#8221; car.</p>
<p>Ain&#8217;t diversity great?</p>
<p>But while we&#8217;re ranting, how about references to &#8220;Bangle-butts&#8221; and comparable Bimmer-bashing? OK we get it: you don&#8217;t like. Obviously, lots of people do. There it is again, more of that annoying diversity of opinion.</p>
<p>And speaking of design, what&#8217;s with the humongoid grillage on this year&#8217;s models? First Audi, then Cadillac and Acura, and now Aveo. Aveo?<br />
Do you think maybe it has something to do with the cars behind the grills being completely generic? Do you think maybe if the car itself had even a detectable hint of style it wouldn&#8217;t need Jimmy Durante&#8217;s nose to be picked out of a crowd?</p>
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		<title>By: doctorv8</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@chuckgoolsbee,

I&#039;m with you on the questionable aesthetics of the new ZR1&#039;s hood window, but the hood is carbon fiber, not plastic....and the window gives you a view of the top of the intercooler, which is aluminum, not plastic.

Still cheesy, IMHO, esp compared to the view of an F430 or Ford GT, but at least you&#039;re seeing metal, and not plastic!</description>
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<p>I&#8217;m with you on the questionable aesthetics of the new ZR1&#8217;s hood window, but the hood is carbon fiber, not plastic&#8230;.and the window gives you a view of the top of the intercooler, which is aluminum, not plastic.</p>
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