the new EPA numbers are WAY, WAY OFF with respect to my experience with my 3 diesel Mercedes:

My Average: 38-40 mpg for my 190 4 cyl.
EPA: 27!!!!! Way off.

My Average: 30 -36 mpg for my 190 5 cly.
EPA: 28

Diesel here in California is about 20 cents more than regular now( about 5%) , though it was about 70 cents more a few weeks ago. The diesel cars are much more efficent than the gasoline versions.

I just went out and test drove the 2009 diesel VW and loved it. It drives like a german performance car. Comparing that to the Prius, which drives like a cheap economy car, I would take the VW hands down. Oh and we got 37 mpg on our city test drive over hill in San Francisco area.

That makes perfect sense. Unfortunately, VW doesn’t offer hybrids either. Passat wagon hybrid might be tempting, if VW established a better track record for reliability.

In my area, diesel is now about 95c higher per gallon than RUG, or an increase of about 25%.

I sold it back to the dealer for $800 less than what I paid for it 18 months prior. That was a month ago, its still on their lot as a CPO for 4K more than they gave me.

I, now, loudly criticise diesel where I formerly championed it. At this stage of things, here in the northeast, a diesel engine just really isn’t worth it. Maybe if things go back they way they came, but for now…TDI is DOA.

Instead of clamouring for more diesel options in America, I now hope for reasonably priced family sized hybrids.

Even with higher disesel prices, my Beetle TDi costs me about $.12 a mile in fuel costs (a $55 tank gives almost 600 miles). Do that simple equation for your own cars for a fair, valid look at what’s “economically viable.” Then look at the resale value of current TDIs and you’ll see why I think my pair are the best automotive investments I’ve ever made.

http://www.vw.com/jettasportwagen/completespecs/en/us/#/show_all

Maybe they decided the TDI “wasn’t economically feasible at the current time” (which is what Keith Price has said about the Tiguan TDI). Or maybe VWoA is just stupid. Canadian TDI pricing has been available for a while.

My extrapolated guesstimate from other diesel models (Cummins 5.9/6.7, Detroit 60s) pre & post 07 emissions is that the new TDIs will cost $1-2k more while being 10-20% less efficient.

I waiting for the oil burners from Honda and Subaru.

I’ll probably take one for a spin (2.0T version), but for $26k, there is no value proposition.

Talk about niche marketing. I guess VW buyers are either unfamiliar with Audi, or somehow think they cant afford one.

That wagon should be 19k out the door with 2.0 no T. 2.5 should be retired. 2.0t, make it 21k. But I am glad they offer it, being a wagon. Add $500 for diesel please.

To continue rant, why is A3 with an option or two same price as entry A4? Salesman says “they are very different driving experiences”. He is right, A3 has less structure and less suspension, about same weight though. Oops thread hijack.

I don’t have the patience to wait for VW’s new models. I’m acting as if all the TDIs we’ll ever get are here now. That’s about how the market’s acting, too. Go ahead, Wolfsburgers, prove us all wrong– please!

I haven’t looked at the details yet, but if the DSG adds $2k then it probably includes some additional features. They usually charge about $1,075 for DSG alone.

Aren’t these built in Mexico alongside the Jetta sedan?