Your argument: “Congress has in the past done questionable things, therefore the existence of the EPA is unconstitutional.”

Nevermind that slavery was an entirely legal affair right up until the constitution was amended, or that assault and murder are legislated by the states, and are not the domain of Congress, or that there’s no jury with authority over Congress. None of that has anything to do with the EPA or the Bill of Rights, or indeed the Commerce Clause.

Thats how congress legally controled the slave trade as well.

Congress also protected the companies rights to shoot unarmed women and men that formed unions for a living wage.

Thats why juries responsibilites is to evaluate the law, evaluate the application of law and vote you conscience. This is to control congress.

In any case, Congress is given by the constitution the right to regulate commerce, which the EPA is clearly an exercise of.

Somewhere in that Jumble is the impression that we should be free to pollute the air as much as we like, so we end up with air quality like Calcutta.

No thanks.

The constitution doesn’t say a lot of things. That’s why there’s something called Congress.

And, pray tell, how does the existence of the EPA violate the bill of rights?

Why do the people of US give any credibility to a government createdf organization that is not defined within the constitution.

The EPA overrides major parts of the constitution bill of rights. Property rights is big one.

Why? Get rid of it!

It shouldn’t take a financial genius to notice that not only is there no payback EVER, you actually fall further behind as time goes on.

As a plaything for the wealthy, who cares what they rate it as. As long as it doesn’t dupe people who shouldn’t be spending $40K on an economy car into thinking this will save them money.

How do they calculate this 80% of the US only travel 40 miles a (trip)?

Forty miles a day sound pretty close to a typical workday commute. 40 times five days times 52 weeks equals 10,400 miles, a significant total.

I believe the typical yearly mileage is currently in the 12K-15K range. If the average driver covers 10,400 miles on weekdays, that only leaves two to five thousand miles for weekend and vacation trips, which for me would be a bit on the light side.

I saw some news post on here a few days ago that was talking about the 80% driving under 40 miles per day and then said something about the average person driving 14,000 miles in a year. Divide 14,000 by 365 and you get 38.35 miles. If this is the way they come up with that number then it is flawed. We all know people don’t drive the exact same number of miles 7 days a week.

All I want to see is how that number was calculated and where does that 14,000 mile number come from. I thought it had passed 15,000 per year. We do 17,000 in this tiny town of 20 mile commuting with all the long trips to see family several times a year.

GM is basically asking the EPA to allow cycle beating. By virtue of the fact that it has an IC engine, the Volt will have to run an EPA dyno certification cycle. GM says, “Hey, we’re going to run most of this cycle in electric-only mode anyway. That makes it an EV, right?!” It’s a ridiculous request, but what the hell, you might as well ask. The EPA has made dumber calls than this before.

They’re the ones putting up the number 40. And of course there are a lot of commuters who do have to just drive to the firehouse, or the Home Depot where they work, or the local high school where they teach. Outside of the major metropolitan areas where commuters have to do multi-miles, the 40-mile number might well cover a lot of people in Boone, Iowa and Moab, Utah and Los Altos Hills, California…

Oh, and another thing that occurs…I suspect they’re saying that the average _round trip_ is 40 miles, not that the average day is 40 miles of driving. Could be wrong. (Who, ME?)

Well, if the US had a sales tax system that wasn’t completely insane…