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	<title>Comments on: Editorial: Chrysler Suicide Watch 47: Chrysler Financial Flames Out</title>
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		<title>By: Robert Farago</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Farago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>amadorgmowner 

From the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mondaq.com/article.asp?articleid=78792&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;FRB (federal reserve board)&lt;/a&gt; re: the enforced extrication of Cerberus/GM from GMAC.

When it approved GMAC LLC (&quot;GMAC&quot;) as a bank holding company (&quot;BHC&quot;) in December 2008 (the &quot;December Order&quot;) (see the December 30, 2008 Alert), the FRB also discussed the necessary actions by the two principal owners of GMAC, entities controlled by or affiliated with the private equity firm Cerberus Capital Management, L.P. (&quot;Cerberus entities&quot;), and General Motors Corporation (&quot;GM&quot;), to avoid the Cerberus entities or GM themselves being deemed BHCs. The FRB has issued two interpretive letters, each dated March 24, 2009, to provide further detail on the necessary actions of the Cerberus entities and GM, respectively.

Cerberus Entities. The interpretive letter relating to the Cerberus entities first lists the historical factors that create a BHC status concern for them: (1) ownership of 51% of the voting interests in GMAC, (2) having 5 GMAC board members, and (3) maintaining substantial business relationships with GMAC and its subsidiaries. To address the first of these concerns, the Cerberus entities would distribute a portion of those voting interests to unaffiliated investors, such that the Cerberus entities would own less than 25% of the voting interests in GMAC, and the unaffiliated investors would each own less than 5%. In the December Order, consistent with the FRB&#039;s 2008 Policy Statement on equity investments in banks and bank holding companies (&quot;Policy Statement&quot;) (see the September 23, 2008 Alert), the Cerberus entities would hold less than 15% of the voting interests and 33% of the total equity in GMAC. In the interpretive letter, the Cerberus entities committed to own approximately 22% of GMAC&#039;s voting interests (and no other equity), which also is consistent with the Policy Statement. Moreover, in the interpretive letter the Cerberus entities committed that the co-investors would have unencumbered rights to vote and dispose of their shares, that there would be no voting agreements, and that Cerberus would not advise co-investors regarding the voting of shares.

As to the second concern (GMAC director representation), consistent with the Policy Statement, the Cerberus entities would reduce their representation on the GMAC board to one director, and that director would not serve as Chairman of the Board or the Chairman of any committee. Any employee interlocks and advisory agreements with GMAC also would be eliminated.

Finally, as to the third concern (business relationships), the Cerberus entities would limit their business relationships with GMAC to those maintained historically (largely lending related). The Cerberus entities also agreed to enter into passivity commitments similar to those historically approved by the FRB (modified to address the Policy Statement), which were attached as exhibits to the interpretive letter.

GM. In the GM interpretive letter, the FRB addressed the additional concern that GM has controlled GMAC since the latter&#039;s formation, and GM and GMAC have been integral to each other&#039;s operations. Under analogous circumstances, the FRB has determined that the controlling company remained able to exert a controlling influence on the other even after a significant divestiture, and thus to avoid being deemed a BHC has required the controlling company to reduce its ownership below 5% of voting equity and only permitted the controlling company to maintain &quot;minimal ongoing business relationships.&quot; 12 CFR 225.138.

To address this concern while also recognizing the &quot;unique circumstances surrounding the proposal by GMAC&quot; and, perhaps, the more lenient stance of the Policy Statement, the interpretive letter permits GM to reduce its holdings to less than 10% of the voting and total equity of GMAC, and to transfer the remainder of its equity interest to a trust with an independent trustee. The trustee will be required to dispose of those shares within 3 years, and will have sole discretion to vote and dispose of the shares in the interim. GM also will have to treat GMAC as an affiliate for purposes of the FRB&#039;s affiliate transaction rules until GM, either directly or as beneficiary of the trust, owns less than 10% of the voting or total equity of GMAC.</description>
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<p>From the <a href="http://www.mondaq.com/article.asp?articleid=78792" rel="nofollow">FRB (federal reserve board)</a> re: the enforced extrication of Cerberus/GM from GMAC.</p>
<p>When it approved GMAC LLC (&#8221;GMAC&#8221;) as a bank holding company (&#8221;BHC&#8221;) in December 2008 (the &#8220;December Order&#8221;) (see the December 30, 2008 Alert), the FRB also discussed the necessary actions by the two principal owners of GMAC, entities controlled by or affiliated with the private equity firm Cerberus Capital Management, L.P. (&#8221;Cerberus entities&#8221;), and General Motors Corporation (&#8221;GM&#8221;), to avoid the Cerberus entities or GM themselves being deemed BHCs. The FRB has issued two interpretive letters, each dated March 24, 2009, to provide further detail on the necessary actions of the Cerberus entities and GM, respectively.</p>
<p>Cerberus Entities. The interpretive letter relating to the Cerberus entities first lists the historical factors that create a BHC status concern for them: (1) ownership of 51% of the voting interests in GMAC, (2) having 5 GMAC board members, and (3) maintaining substantial business relationships with GMAC and its subsidiaries. To address the first of these concerns, the Cerberus entities would distribute a portion of those voting interests to unaffiliated investors, such that the Cerberus entities would own less than 25% of the voting interests in GMAC, and the unaffiliated investors would each own less than 5%. In the December Order, consistent with the FRB&#8217;s 2008 Policy Statement on equity investments in banks and bank holding companies (&#8221;Policy Statement&#8221;) (see the September 23, 2008 Alert), the Cerberus entities would hold less than 15% of the voting interests and 33% of the total equity in GMAC. In the interpretive letter, the Cerberus entities committed to own approximately 22% of GMAC&#8217;s voting interests (and no other equity), which also is consistent with the Policy Statement. Moreover, in the interpretive letter the Cerberus entities committed that the co-investors would have unencumbered rights to vote and dispose of their shares, that there would be no voting agreements, and that Cerberus would not advise co-investors regarding the voting of shares.</p>
<p>As to the second concern (GMAC director representation), consistent with the Policy Statement, the Cerberus entities would reduce their representation on the GMAC board to one director, and that director would not serve as Chairman of the Board or the Chairman of any committee. Any employee interlocks and advisory agreements with GMAC also would be eliminated.</p>
<p>Finally, as to the third concern (business relationships), the Cerberus entities would limit their business relationships with GMAC to those maintained historically (largely lending related). The Cerberus entities also agreed to enter into passivity commitments similar to those historically approved by the FRB (modified to address the Policy Statement), which were attached as exhibits to the interpretive letter.</p>
<p>GM. In the GM interpretive letter, the FRB addressed the additional concern that GM has controlled GMAC since the latter&#8217;s formation, and GM and GMAC have been integral to each other&#8217;s operations. Under analogous circumstances, the FRB has determined that the controlling company remained able to exert a controlling influence on the other even after a significant divestiture, and thus to avoid being deemed a BHC has required the controlling company to reduce its ownership below 5% of voting equity and only permitted the controlling company to maintain &#8220;minimal ongoing business relationships.&#8221; 12 CFR 225.138.</p>
<p>To address this concern while also recognizing the &#8220;unique circumstances surrounding the proposal by GMAC&#8221; and, perhaps, the more lenient stance of the Policy Statement, the interpretive letter permits GM to reduce its holdings to less than 10% of the voting and total equity of GMAC, and to transfer the remainder of its equity interest to a trust with an independent trustee. The trustee will be required to dispose of those shares within 3 years, and will have sole discretion to vote and dispose of the shares in the interim. GM also will have to treat GMAC as an affiliate for purposes of the FRB&#8217;s affiliate transaction rules until GM, either directly or as beneficiary of the trust, owns less than 10% of the voting or total equity of GMAC.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Ronman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 06:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well well well.... why do i have a feeling that things are so complicated to solve, that all of the collective autobanking sector are shooting in the dark and hoping that something sticks.... 

after all it&#039;s all up to the banks... let them start lending again and a whole waft of trouble can be avoided. i say fix the banks and everything else will ultimately fix itself....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->well well well&#8230;. why do i have a feeling that things are so complicated to solve, that all of the collective autobanking sector are shooting in the dark and hoping that something sticks&#8230;. </p>
<p>after all it&#8217;s all up to the banks&#8230; let them start lending again and a whole waft of trouble can be avoided. i say fix the banks and everything else will ultimately fix itself&#8230;.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: amadorgmowner</title>
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		<dc:creator>amadorgmowner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 04:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why doesn&#039;t Cereberus pump more money into Chrysler Financial and GMAC? And Chrysler? What the hell are they doing with all of our taxpayer freebies? They sure as f**k aren&#039;t loaning to anyone with good credit. F**k them all. NO MORE BAILOUTS!!! These greedy corporate and Wall Street titans sure as hell don&#039;t want to share the profits with us taxpayers, but they seem to have no problem sticking to us to cover their losses. GMAC/Chrysler Financial can go file bankrutpcy for all I care. The same inept idiots who put GM, GMAC, Chrysler in this mess are still running them. Get rid of &#039;em! And no money-less Italian car companies, either!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Why doesn&#8217;t Cereberus pump more money into Chrysler Financial and GMAC? And Chrysler? What the hell are they doing with all of our taxpayer freebies? They sure as f**k aren&#8217;t loaning to anyone with good credit. F**k them all. NO MORE BAILOUTS!!! These greedy corporate and Wall Street titans sure as hell don&#8217;t want to share the profits with us taxpayers, but they seem to have no problem sticking to us to cover their losses. GMAC/Chrysler Financial can go file bankrutpcy for all I care. The same inept idiots who put GM, GMAC, Chrysler in this mess are still running them. Get rid of &#8216;em! And no money-less Italian car companies, either!!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: 97escort</title>
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		<dc:creator>97escort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I need a plot diagram.  This thing is getting too complicated.  My head is spinning.

By the end of the post I couldn&#039;t remember who is doing what to whom.  Nor can I remember who the good guys are if there are any.  

Maybe this is a Greek tragedy where everyone is a villain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I need a plot diagram.  This thing is getting too complicated.  My head is spinning.</p>
<p>By the end of the post I couldn&#8217;t remember who is doing what to whom.  Nor can I remember who the good guys are if there are any.  </p>
<p>Maybe this is a Greek tragedy where everyone is a villain.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: like.a.kite</title>
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		<dc:creator>like.a.kite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great editorial as always. This banking bullshit won&#039;t last much longer.

I think you should standardize on the way in which words are emphasized. Caps are for acronyms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Great editorial as always. This banking bullshit won&#8217;t last much longer.</p>
<p>I think you should standardize on the way in which words are emphasized. Caps are for acronyms.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: ihatetrees</title>
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		<dc:creator>ihatetrees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Not to be too much of a downer here, but this clusterfuck illustrates the fact that no matter how this shakes out, Detroit’s federal bailout is doomed to an extremely expensive failure. On our dime. Sigh.&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah. This is so bizarre.

A couple years ago, I figured an ordered bankruptcy or two (or three) would shake out the domestics.

But a Chrysler/Cerberus/GMAC/Fiat partnership? 1 percent of 1 percent of auto industry &#039;experts&#039; couldn&#039;t have predicted this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><i>Not to be too much of a downer here, but this clusterfuck illustrates the fact that no matter how this shakes out, Detroit’s federal bailout is doomed to an extremely expensive failure. On our dime. Sigh.</i></p>
<p>Yeah. This is so bizarre.</p>
<p>A couple years ago, I figured an ordered bankruptcy or two (or three) would shake out the domestics.</p>
<p>But a Chrysler/Cerberus/GMAC/Fiat partnership? 1 percent of 1 percent of auto industry &#8216;experts&#8217; couldn&#8217;t have predicted this.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Lokkii</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lokkii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;We’re throwing a ton of money at this problem, and nobody’s really managing it. Obama’s brilliant idea to let the idiots that destroyed these companies handle their restructuring isn’t going to work. &lt;/em&gt;


Hey - you got Obama all wrong!

HIS stupid idea is to let the UAW handle the restructuring....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>We’re throwing a ton of money at this problem, and nobody’s really managing it. Obama’s brilliant idea to let the idiots that destroyed these companies handle their restructuring isn’t going to work. </em></p>
<p>Hey &#8211; you got Obama all wrong!</p>
<p>HIS stupid idea is to let the UAW handle the restructuring&#8230;.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Luther</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Make no mistake: if Chrysler Financial flames out, it will take the automaker down with it. Well, unless Uncle Sam comes to the rescue again.&quot;

Idiot Taxpayer Financial(TM) will lend to anyone (Pulse not required) and not expect to get paid back...How would you like that thing as a lender!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->&#8220;Make no mistake: if Chrysler Financial flames out, it will take the automaker down with it. Well, unless Uncle Sam comes to the rescue again.&#8221;</p>
<p>Idiot Taxpayer Financial(TM) will lend to anyone (Pulse not required) and not expect to get paid back&#8230;How would you like that thing as a lender!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: superbadd75</title>
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		<dc:creator>superbadd75</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh. When is this shit going to end and, more importantly, how? Are we really going to piss $50, $60, $100 billion into Detroit and still watch it fail? To me, it&#039;s really looking that way. A year ago I figured maybe Chrysler could go down, as they&#039;ve almost done it a couple of times in the past, but never GM. Now I&#039;m starting to believe that even that is possible. 

We&#039;re throwing a ton of money at this problem, and nobody&#039;s really managing it. Obama&#039;s brilliant idea to let the idiots that destroyed these companies handle their restructuring isn&#039;t going to work. To think that the U.S. could end up with one domestic automaker seems ridiculous, but now also seems possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Ugh. When is this shit going to end and, more importantly, how? Are we really going to piss $50, $60, $100 billion into Detroit and still watch it fail? To me, it&#8217;s really looking that way. A year ago I figured maybe Chrysler could go down, as they&#8217;ve almost done it a couple of times in the past, but never GM. Now I&#8217;m starting to believe that even that is possible. </p>
<p>We&#8217;re throwing a ton of money at this problem, and nobody&#8217;s really managing it. Obama&#8217;s brilliant idea to let the idiots that destroyed these companies handle their restructuring isn&#8217;t going to work. To think that the U.S. could end up with one domestic automaker seems ridiculous, but now also seems possible.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: JK43123</title>
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		<dc:creator>JK43123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm...maybe if I buy a crappy Chrysler they&#039;ll write off my loan?  Waddya think?!?!

John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Hmm&#8230;maybe if I buy a crappy Chrysler they&#8217;ll write off my loan?  Waddya think?!?!</p>
<p>John<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: kowsnofskia</title>
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		<dc:creator>kowsnofskia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigh. News services are indicating that Chrysler&#039;s lenders have agreed to write down Chrysler&#039;s debt.

&quot;Night of the Living Dead Companies, Act III&quot; continues after these messages from Citibank, the UAW, the US Government, and Taxpayers Like You (Thank You!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Sigh. News services are indicating that Chrysler&#8217;s lenders have agreed to write down Chrysler&#8217;s debt.</p>
<p>&#8220;Night of the Living Dead Companies, Act III&#8221; continues after these messages from Citibank, the UAW, the US Government, and Taxpayers Like You (Thank You!)<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: guyincognito</title>
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		<dc:creator>guyincognito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And now, here comes the payday Cerberus has been dreaming about all along. They&#039;ll have GMAC and Chrysler financial with direct access to federal money printer, and loans bolstered by subsidized auto sales from government run auto companies. I plan to move to Steve Feinbergland when it is set up off the coast of Dubai.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->And now, here comes the payday Cerberus has been dreaming about all along. They&#8217;ll have GMAC and Chrysler financial with direct access to federal money printer, and loans bolstered by subsidized auto sales from government run auto companies. I plan to move to Steve Feinbergland when it is set up off the coast of Dubai.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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