Comments on: Union Alleges Unfair Labor Practices at Ontario Toyota Plant

By: buttgoblin707

buttgoblin707 — Thu, 25 Dec 2008 16:52:25 +0000

When unions started they did good but now they are corrupt and ruining the american auto industry, every time unions go on strike and demand to get more pay they get laid off several months later. It is like communism, it works good for a while, but then the foundation crumbles from underneath it. I dont blame toyota for not wanting to unionize. It would mean less jobs for america because robots are cheaper than hiring union help. They can make 10000 robots and increase production, quality etc and just hire a handfull of people to service the machines.

American car companys also remind me too much of British leyland in the 70s always on strike and making a inferior product. and all the hybrid and electric cars have too many problems, its like chevy had all their eggs in one basket with the volt, so far it looks disasterous, and dont forget the Tesla spend 90k to save on gas and have a car that breaks or runs out of juice. it doesnt help they based the tesla on a lotus elise, a expensive car to begin with, the only way you can save money in usa with a new car is to buy a disposable vehicle like a kia or hyundai, If china starts selling cars in usa cheap enough to throw away well really be screwed, and china already makes little scooters and dirt bikes that are so cheap you throw them away rather than service them. just walk into any pep boys store.

By: joeaverage

joeaverage — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:44:49 +0000

Fine they vote in the union and Toyota will close the plant sooner rather than later. How obvious does it need to be for the employees? Toyota pays what they pay and they offer the benefits that they do – if a person doesn’t like the money and benefits they ought to go find something else to bring home the paycheck…

You can’t strangle your employer and expect to have a job decade after decade. Let me rephrase that, you can’t do that today with cheaper labor just over the border or across the ocean when transportation costs are still low enough to enable a company to just ship parts around.

Rather than be greedy, work towards long term survival b/c once the Chinese start selling cars in North America, it’s going to really hurt the domestics and the transplants alike.

These folks ought to work with management and management ought to work with their employees to make a better product.

Yes there is greed at the top and the bottom.

By: Banned User

Banned User — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:09:14 +0000

“Interestingly enough, fascists and communists also dislike secret ballot voting. Or ballots with more than one choice, for that matter.”
We have a local autoworker site (autoworker.net) and many of the union posters are unabashadely pro-communist.

By: menno

menno — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:10:46 +0000

bluecon wrote “Unions really dislike secret ballot voting..”

Interestingly enough, fascists and communists also dislike secret ballot voting. Or ballots with more than one choice, for that matter.

After seeing the social and political changes over the past 75 years, one has to start to wonder if unions are relevant any more. There are now laws in place to prevent underpaying people, abusing them at work, etc.

What valid purpose do unions now accomplish for the workers? Increasingly, the workers who actually have some choice in this question are responding with “none” since much of the time, they vote down union representation.

By: Banned User

Banned User — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:44:51 +0000

UFCW. At one time in Canada the guys stocking grocery store shelves were making more than the CAW guys building cars.

http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2005/03/09/walmart-vote050309.html

By: Ryan Knuckles

Ryan Knuckles — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:36:26 +0000

What union did that Wal-mart store’s employees join? It is all unskilled labor. It doesn’t seem like much of a bargaining force to me.

By: Banned User

Banned User — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:21:04 +0000

This is the tactic they used at Walmart in Windsor, Ont. The Walmart store voted heavily against joining the union and the government people declared the vote invalid and forced the employees to unionize since they were ‘intimidated’ to vote ‘NO’ in the secret ballot. Unions really dislike secret ballot voting..

By: menno

menno — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:20:17 +0000

The Canadian loonie (dollar) and US dollar are now essentially at par, instead of a 60% savings on the loonie. Toyota and Honda have essentially said they’d stay long-term in Canada, even though it is now the most costly place to manufacture cars in the continent (considering that a huge percentage of the vehicles are exported to the US). Unions can be easily seen to have been the ruination of Detroit’s 2.8.

But Toyota management are not stupid. It’s totally obvious that if the union makes it way in, the factory will be the most expensive of the most expensive in a softening market, and so it will be the first plant to be shuttered once the inevitable downturn gets worse in the USA.

Looking at it realistically, Toyota are trying to keep the plant going by doing what they are doing.