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	<title>Comments on: UK Texting Drivers Who Kill Face 7 Years In Prison</title>
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		<title>By: cretinx</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/uk-texting-drivers-who-kill-face-7-years-in-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-605411</link>
		<dc:creator>cretinx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>history/propensity to commit the crime are not admissible for the purposes of determining guilt

but they are admissible for sentencing considerations</description>
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<p>but they are admissible for sentencing considerations<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Facebook User</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/uk-texting-drivers-who-kill-face-7-years-in-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-603921</link>
		<dc:creator>Facebook User</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;Ministers now want to see the two new offences – causing death by careless driving and causing death while unlicenced, disqualified or uninsured – pushed through as soon as possible.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Something that hasn&#039;t been commented on, is the other law where driving unlicensed or disqualified (revoked license, I assume) is equated with driving uninsured.  Since when did having insurance make you a better driver?  What is the proximate cause between being uninsured and running somebody down due to your own negligence.  I drove a car for 1 1/2 years without insurance and was probably a better driver for it, because I couldn&#039;t afford to get in an accident or get pulled over.  Not having insurance doesn&#039;t make you a bad driver.  Maybe irresponsible, but not a bad driver.  Generally speaking, people who can&#039;t get a license or have their license revoked are very bad drivers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>&#8220;Ministers now want to see the two new offences – causing death by careless driving and causing death while unlicenced, disqualified or uninsured – pushed through as soon as possible.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Something that hasn&#8217;t been commented on, is the other law where driving unlicensed or disqualified (revoked license, I assume) is equated with driving uninsured.  Since when did having insurance make you a better driver?  What is the proximate cause between being uninsured and running somebody down due to your own negligence.  I drove a car for 1 1/2 years without insurance and was probably a better driver for it, because I couldn&#8217;t afford to get in an accident or get pulled over.  Not having insurance doesn&#8217;t make you a bad driver.  Maybe irresponsible, but not a bad driver.  Generally speaking, people who can&#8217;t get a license or have their license revoked are very bad drivers.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Frantz</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/uk-texting-drivers-who-kill-face-7-years-in-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-603651</link>
		<dc:creator>Frantz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It wont save any lives. Kids will still txt.. they will just go to jail in the unlikely event that someone dies. Its a reactive law.. preventive would be making it illegal to txt while driving.. but then we should make music illegal to have while driving (wasn&#039;t that a major concern in the 1930s)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->It wont save any lives. Kids will still txt.. they will just go to jail in the unlikely event that someone dies. Its a reactive law.. preventive would be making it illegal to txt while driving.. but then we should make music illegal to have while driving (wasn&#8217;t that a major concern in the 1930s)<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: psarhjinian</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/uk-texting-drivers-who-kill-face-7-years-in-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-603272</link>
		<dc:creator>psarhjinian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mdf,

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Why should your liability decrease because the victim was himself in violation of the law?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Because there&#039;s an obvious difference between running someone down because you weren&#039;t paying attention, and running someone down because they stepped out from behind a parked truck.

I&#039;ll agree that drivers need to be attentive, but there&#039;s a reasonable expectation.  You may as well say you&#039;re liable in a car/car accident because someone ran a red and struck you.  

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Why is it not part of your responsibility of owning a car to make sure it is in good repair at all times?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;ll grant you this point because I wasn&#039;t clear, but my original line of reasoning here was that you can&#039;t really be held responsible if your car fails due to an unforeseen defect.  If you were driving an unsafe vehicle to start with, that&#039;s different and covered by existing laws.

The difference between the position Mr. Farago is condemning and mine is this:
* What the council is doing is a duplication of existing legislation.  It&#039;s akin to having a law for Fraud and Fraud Committed with a Computer.  It&#039;s a legislative redundancy.
* Mine is dealing with the concept of extenuating circumstances, which isn&#039;t a legislative action at all, but judicial one.

It is the function of a court to interpret circumstances and how they relate to the law.  It&#039;s bloody stupid for a government body to muddy the legal waters for what amounts to an advertising campaign.</description>
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<blockquote><p><i>Why should your liability decrease because the victim was himself in violation of the law?</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Because there&#8217;s an obvious difference between running someone down because you weren&#8217;t paying attention, and running someone down because they stepped out from behind a parked truck.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll agree that drivers need to be attentive, but there&#8217;s a reasonable expectation.  You may as well say you&#8217;re liable in a car/car accident because someone ran a red and struck you.  </p>
<blockquote><p><i>Why is it not part of your responsibility of owning a car to make sure it is in good repair at all times?</i></p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ll grant you this point because I wasn&#8217;t clear, but my original line of reasoning here was that you can&#8217;t really be held responsible if your car fails due to an unforeseen defect.  If you were driving an unsafe vehicle to start with, that&#8217;s different and covered by existing laws.</p>
<p>The difference between the position Mr. Farago is condemning and mine is this:<br />
* What the council is doing is a duplication of existing legislation.  It&#8217;s akin to having a law for Fraud and Fraud Committed with a Computer.  It&#8217;s a legislative redundancy.<br />
* Mine is dealing with the concept of extenuating circumstances, which isn&#8217;t a legislative action at all, but judicial one.</p>
<p>It is the function of a court to interpret circumstances and how they relate to the law.  It&#8217;s bloody stupid for a government body to muddy the legal waters for what amounts to an advertising campaign.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: mdf</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/uk-texting-drivers-who-kill-face-7-years-in-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-602912</link>
		<dc:creator>mdf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>psarhjinian: &lt;i&gt;If the pedestrian isn’t jaywalking&lt;/i&gt;

Why should &lt;b&gt;your liability&lt;/b&gt; decrease because the victim was himself in violation of the law?

&lt;i&gt;and your car hasn’t suffered mechanical failure,&lt;/i&gt;

Why is it not part of &lt;b&gt;your responsibility&lt;/b&gt; of owning a car to make sure it is in good repair at all times?

&lt;i&gt;you’re at fault.&lt;/i&gt;

You have just created two specific exceptions to being held at fault.  Why are yours any different from specific &quot;texting&quot; provisions?

I agree with what I understand to be Mr. Farago&#039;s position:  there is no need for a new law.  Period.</description>
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<p>Why should <b>your liability</b> decrease because the victim was himself in violation of the law?</p>
<p><i>and your car hasn’t suffered mechanical failure,</i></p>
<p>Why is it not part of <b>your responsibility</b> of owning a car to make sure it is in good repair at all times?</p>
<p><i>you’re at fault.</i></p>
<p>You have just created two specific exceptions to being held at fault.  Why are yours any different from specific &#8220;texting&#8221; provisions?</p>
<p>I agree with what I understand to be Mr. Farago&#8217;s position:  there is no need for a new law.  Period.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: GS650G</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/uk-texting-drivers-who-kill-face-7-years-in-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-602761</link>
		<dc:creator>GS650G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Next up will be video taping of roads and any driver  caught texting a huge fine, no accident needed. That is the goal of these laws anyway.</description>
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		<title>By: psarhjinian</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/uk-texting-drivers-who-kill-face-7-years-in-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-602452</link>
		<dc:creator>psarhjinian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you hit and wound someone by any means within your control, you should--at minimum--lose your license and, possibly, your car.  Kill someone and you should be looking at accidental death or manslaughter.  

Texting, drinking, sleeping, f...anything.  If the pedestrian isn&#039;t jaywalking and your car hasn&#039;t suffered mechanical failure, you&#039;re at fault.  No ifs, ands or buts.  You&#039;ve proven you cannot handle the responsibility.

My wife was run down a few years ago by a guy who just flat out was not paying attention (he just blew through a left hand turn without so much as looking).  It netted him a $105 fine for failing to yield to a pedestrian.

Now that said, while I have very little sympathy for inattentive drivers, having a specific law for texting is just &quot;Think of the Children!&quot; syndrome.  The law isn&#039;t there to &quot;send messages&quot;, it&#039;s designed to, depending on your viewpoint, balance society&#039;s freedom against it&#039;s collective responsbilities.  

You want to &quot;send a message&quot;?  Do an ad campaign, don&#039;t pollute the law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->If you hit and wound someone by any means within your control, you should&#8211;at minimum&#8211;lose your license and, possibly, your car.  Kill someone and you should be looking at accidental death or manslaughter.  </p>
<p>Texting, drinking, sleeping, f&#8230;anything.  If the pedestrian isn&#8217;t jaywalking and your car hasn&#8217;t suffered mechanical failure, you&#8217;re at fault.  No ifs, ands or buts.  You&#8217;ve proven you cannot handle the responsibility.</p>
<p>My wife was run down a few years ago by a guy who just flat out was not paying attention (he just blew through a left hand turn without so much as looking).  It netted him a $105 fine for failing to yield to a pedestrian.</p>
<p>Now that said, while I have very little sympathy for inattentive drivers, having a specific law for texting is just &#8220;Think of the Children!&#8221; syndrome.  The law isn&#8217;t there to &#8220;send messages&#8221;, it&#8217;s designed to, depending on your viewpoint, balance society&#8217;s freedom against it&#8217;s collective responsbilities.  </p>
<p>You want to &#8220;send a message&#8221;?  Do an ad campaign, don&#8217;t pollute the law.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: driving course</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/uk-texting-drivers-who-kill-face-7-years-in-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-602401</link>
		<dc:creator>driving course</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For once in my life I&#039;m grateful for a new law - it will save lives; especially young drivers who are addicted to their phones.</description>
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		<title>By: rev0lver</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/uk-texting-drivers-who-kill-face-7-years-in-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-602372</link>
		<dc:creator>rev0lver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say make it minimum 7 years. But if you kill yourself you should be given the Darwin award.</description>
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