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	<title>Comments on: TTAC&#8217;s Ten Worst Automobiles Today (TWAT) Award &#8211; Coming Down the Home Stretch</title>
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		<title>By: ionosphere</title>
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		<dc:creator>ionosphere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would vote for the current Jaguar sedan.  Why?  I sat in one at last year&#039;s auto show and I never have experienced such a cramped cockpit.  The legroom was horrible and my left shoulder pressed against the side of the car.  For a large car, this car sucks big time....as well as being overpriced.  I suppose a small person would like it fine.  Sorry overpriced imports, but I&#039;ll take my 2008 Mercury Grand Marquis over all you BMW&#039;s, Mercedes, and Jaguars.  Much more room!!!!</description>
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		<title>By: obsessedwithautos</title>
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		<dc:creator>obsessedwithautos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Oct 2006 15:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mean specifically the Compass in the photo.</description>
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		<title>By: obsessedwithautos</title>
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		<dc:creator>obsessedwithautos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Oct 2006 15:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t really see why the BMW X3 is being nominated for the TWAT &quot;award.&quot; &quot;Does that car do anything well?&quot; Well, let&#039;s see. It handles like a 3 series, which just happens to be one of, if not the best, handling accessible cars in the world, if I (and several auto publications) say so. It also has more cargo room than a 3 series wagon &lt;i&gt; and &lt;/i&gt; an X5. And ignore the comments about firm ride and chintzy quality. How do I know? We have one with 25,000 miles and zero problems. Yeah, some TWAT.

As for the Compass, I don&#039;t think any self-respecting Berliner would buy that car. (Look at the license plate.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I don&#8217;t really see why the BMW X3 is being nominated for the TWAT &#8220;award.&#8221; &#8220;Does that car do anything well?&#8221; Well, let&#8217;s see. It handles like a 3 series, which just happens to be one of, if not the best, handling accessible cars in the world, if I (and several auto publications) say so. It also has more cargo room than a 3 series wagon <i> and </i> an X5. And ignore the comments about firm ride and chintzy quality. How do I know? We have one with 25,000 miles and zero problems. Yeah, some TWAT.</p>
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		<title>By: DrVali</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrVali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 03:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that for 200 grand I&#039;d expect my car not to catch fire on the way home from the dealership.</description>
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		<title>By: allegro con moto-car</title>
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		<dc:creator>allegro con moto-car</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 00:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr.Vali wrote:

&lt;i&gt;What about those Ferrariâ€™s that catch fire on the way off the dealerâ€™s lot?

Ferarri 612, IIRC. &lt;/i&gt;

Um,  what about all of those Fords that spontaneously combust while parked in your garage?

All Fords that spontaneously combust (I know the F-150,  maybe others?)</description>
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<p><i>What about those Ferrariâ€™s that catch fire on the way off the dealerâ€™s lot?</p>
<p>Ferarri 612, IIRC. </i></p>
<p>Um,  what about all of those Fords that spontaneously combust while parked in your garage?</p>
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		<title>By: aaronmc</title>
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		<dc:creator>aaronmc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 22:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, um... I like the Cayenne. Actually, I&#039;ve never met a Porsche I didn&#039;t like. I even like those cruddy 924&#039;s.

Still, I totally disagree that it&#039;s the best off-roader on the market. I&#039;d offroad in a Rubicon over the Cayenne any day of the week. I&#039;d even prefer a Liberty Renegade.

I&#039;ve never driven any Land Rovers, so I can&#039;t comment, but as the &quot;total package&quot; goes, the Cayenne is tough to beat. I think I would prefer it over an X5, but that assumes that I would buy an SUV such as those, at all.

Still, I&#039;d rather take the stupid-money required to own one and buy a Porsche Cayman and a Jeep. I&#039;ve never liked all-in-ones. I prefer one-in-ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I, um&#8230; I like the Cayenne. Actually, I&#8217;ve never met a Porsche I didn&#8217;t like. I even like those cruddy 924&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Still, I totally disagree that it&#8217;s the best off-roader on the market. I&#8217;d offroad in a Rubicon over the Cayenne any day of the week. I&#8217;d even prefer a Liberty Renegade.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never driven any Land Rovers, so I can&#8217;t comment, but as the &#8220;total package&#8221; goes, the Cayenne is tough to beat. I think I would prefer it over an X5, but that assumes that I would buy an SUV such as those, at all.</p>
<p>Still, I&#8217;d rather take the stupid-money required to own one and buy a Porsche Cayman and a Jeep. I&#8217;ve never liked all-in-ones. I prefer one-in-ones.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: ret</title>
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		<dc:creator>ret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonny - 

I&#039;ve got to say that Top Gear video left something to be desired...  I&#039;ve driven over similar terrain in a Land Rover and in a Nissan Xterra.  I saw nothing in that to demonstrate that the Cayenne is the &quot;ultimate off-roader&quot;.  Just because Jeremy Clarkson sucks Porsche&#039;s engineers&#039; ****s every chance he gets doesn&#039;t mean that the car is so hot.  I&#039;ll absolutely buy that it does everything the BMW X5 is supposed to do about 100 times better, but being best looking pig in the barnyard doesn&#039;t keep you from being a pig.

Despite that, the Cayenne (though obnoxious, ugly, overweight, over priced, and just plain offensive to me) is certainly no TWAT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Jonny &#8211; </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got to say that Top Gear video left something to be desired&#8230;  I&#8217;ve driven over similar terrain in a Land Rover and in a Nissan Xterra.  I saw nothing in that to demonstrate that the Cayenne is the &#8220;ultimate off-roader&#8221;.  Just because Jeremy Clarkson sucks Porsche&#8217;s engineers&#8217; ****s every chance he gets doesn&#8217;t mean that the car is so hot.  I&#8217;ll absolutely buy that it does everything the BMW X5 is supposed to do about 100 times better, but being best looking pig in the barnyard doesn&#8217;t keep you from being a pig.</p>
<p>Despite that, the Cayenne (though obnoxious, ugly, overweight, over priced, and just plain offensive to me) is certainly no TWAT.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: DrVali</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrVali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about those Ferrari&#039;s that catch fire on the way off the dealer&#039;s lot?

Ferarri 612, IIRC.</description>
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		<title>By: Alex Rashev</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Rashev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s why the Camry is awful.

For eons, it was the standard of blandness. The more bland a car is, the less people it offends. People don&#039;t like being offended, and Camry sold. Of course, other manufacturers like sales, too, so they started making their cars more bland. End result: Camry made bland, inoffensive design a standard for all but niche vechicles (want an example, look at subaru).

Which would all be great - bland car for bland people. BUT! Gray mass culture is loosing its core clientele. People who were bland in the 90&#039;s are having a middle life crisis. They buy brawny Mustangs and Chrysler gangstermobiles. So, what does a company known for sticking to its model and brand essence do? They throw away the decades of Old Camry, put an &quot;aggressive&quot;, ugly face on the new one, and americanize it by adding foot-actuated emergency brake, lousy handling, and a bit of rattles and cheap plastic to spice it up. All in hopes of &quot;catching back&quot; its former clients. 2 decades of progress towards the perfect A-B transport down the drain. 

The new Camry is the ultimate double-crossing, backstabbing bastard. It catalyzed turning the automobile into an appliance, and then bailed out at the first sign of trouble. And this is why it deserves to be a TWAT - it&#039;s a symbol of all evil in the contemporary auto industry.</description>
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<p>For eons, it was the standard of blandness. The more bland a car is, the less people it offends. People don&#8217;t like being offended, and Camry sold. Of course, other manufacturers like sales, too, so they started making their cars more bland. End result: Camry made bland, inoffensive design a standard for all but niche vechicles (want an example, look at subaru).</p>
<p>Which would all be great &#8211; bland car for bland people. BUT! Gray mass culture is loosing its core clientele. People who were bland in the 90&#8217;s are having a middle life crisis. They buy brawny Mustangs and Chrysler gangstermobiles. So, what does a company known for sticking to its model and brand essence do? They throw away the decades of Old Camry, put an &#8220;aggressive&#8221;, ugly face on the new one, and americanize it by adding foot-actuated emergency brake, lousy handling, and a bit of rattles and cheap plastic to spice it up. All in hopes of &#8220;catching back&#8221; its former clients. 2 decades of progress towards the perfect A-B transport down the drain. </p>
<p>The new Camry is the ultimate double-crossing, backstabbing bastard. It catalyzed turning the automobile into an appliance, and then bailed out at the first sign of trouble. And this is why it deserves to be a TWAT &#8211; it&#8217;s a symbol of all evil in the contemporary auto industry.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: allegro con moto-car</title>
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		<dc:creator>allegro con moto-car</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My last-minute and final nomination:

&lt;b&gt;Jeep Compass&lt;/b&gt; - worst case example of a brand chaos generator.</description>
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		<title>By: owca</title>
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		<dc:creator>owca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Jonny, the tiers alone take Cayenne out of contention for the most capable off-roader.

Also approach and departure angels are not all that impressive (approach 32, departure 27, breakover 24 versus 44/34/25 for a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon), neither are the axel-ratio (1:3.7) or low-range (1:2.7).

I also did not notice any recovery points on it (although it may be only me not being diligent enough).

Yes, it is fabulous off-road but no more than say a LandRover LR3 and certainly not in the same league as a Jeep Wrangler, LandRover Defender or Mercedes G.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Oh Jonny, the tiers alone take Cayenne out of contention for the most capable off-roader.</p>
<p>Also approach and departure angels are not all that impressive (approach 32, departure 27, breakover 24 versus 44/34/25 for a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon), neither are the axel-ratio (1:3.7) or low-range (1:2.7).</p>
<p>I also did not notice any recovery points on it (although it may be only me not being diligent enough).</p>
<p>Yes, it is fabulous off-road but no more than say a LandRover LR3 and certainly not in the same league as a Jeep Wrangler, LandRover Defender or Mercedes G.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: KingElvis</title>
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		<dc:creator>KingElvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Putting the Camry on the list makes it one step too silly and snarky. It looks like a BWM 3 series wannabe - what&#039;s so bad about that? A 270hp engine? That&#039;s nothing to sneeze at.

What about dividing the &#039;award&#039; between just ugly cars and badly engineered cars? 

Of course with the Monte Carlo, these two intersect so harmoniously. It could - even by Martin Albright&#039;s strict standards, be considered the worst 5 passenger coupe on the market today.

I was thinking about the SSR as a car that&#039;s just so overpriced and basically useless that it actually makes you mad. So by a mile, worst &#039;pickup&#039; (if in fact that is your REAL name) should easily be the SSR. 

But the Crown Vic&#039;s retail prices are so optimistic, it actually pisses you off. They want about the same for their &quot;LX premium performance&quot; version as Dodge asks for a Charger R/T. On a side note, even ordering the allegedly upscale LX package STILL doesn&#039;t get you the damn 6 CD shuffler - it&#039;s extra...who does that? 
With a list price close to a Toyota Avalon, but sporting 50 fewer  hp, the Crown Vic LX just might be...the WORST full size car for sale in the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Putting the Camry on the list makes it one step too silly and snarky. It looks like a BWM 3 series wannabe &#8211; what&#8217;s so bad about that? A 270hp engine? That&#8217;s nothing to sneeze at.</p>
<p>What about dividing the &#8216;award&#8217; between just ugly cars and badly engineered cars? </p>
<p>Of course with the Monte Carlo, these two intersect so harmoniously. It could &#8211; even by Martin Albright&#8217;s strict standards, be considered the worst 5 passenger coupe on the market today.</p>
<p>I was thinking about the SSR as a car that&#8217;s just so overpriced and basically useless that it actually makes you mad. So by a mile, worst &#8216;pickup&#8217; (if in fact that is your REAL name) should easily be the SSR. </p>
<p>But the Crown Vic&#8217;s retail prices are so optimistic, it actually pisses you off. They want about the same for their &#8220;LX premium performance&#8221; version as Dodge asks for a Charger R/T. On a side note, even ordering the allegedly upscale LX package STILL doesn&#8217;t get you the damn 6 CD shuffler &#8211; it&#8217;s extra&#8230;who does that?<br />
With a list price close to a Toyota Avalon, but sporting 50 fewer  hp, the Crown Vic LX just might be&#8230;the WORST full size car for sale in the US.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Martin Albright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Albright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One last quibble, regarding the Crown Vic, at least (can&#039;t say for its platform-sharing mates, the Grand Marquis and Town Car), I was under the impression that the vast majority of Crown Vics are destined for fleet sales to police departments.  

For many reasons - including the &quot;we&#039;ve always done it this way&quot; one - police department prefer relatively large, simple, rear-drive cars and the Crown Vic is pretty much it, at least in the price ranges that any municipality, county or state is willing to pay (IOW I don&#039;t expect to see a Chrysler 300 or Dodge Magnum in police livery any time soon) so that may be why Ford (a) keeps the thing in production and (b) hasn&#039;t updated it much in years.  

Thousands of guaranteed sales per year and the eternal gratitude of the folks in blue probably bolsters the business sense of the decision, too.  I know a lot of LEAs were upset when Chevy finally axed their rear-drive Caprice (at least one of the police models had a Corvette engine in it) and Ford may enjoy being the maker of the most ubiquitous police car on the road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->One last quibble, regarding the Crown Vic, at least (can&#8217;t say for its platform-sharing mates, the Grand Marquis and Town Car), I was under the impression that the vast majority of Crown Vics are destined for fleet sales to police departments.  </p>
<p>For many reasons &#8211; including the &#8220;we&#8217;ve always done it this way&#8221; one &#8211; police department prefer relatively large, simple, rear-drive cars and the Crown Vic is pretty much it, at least in the price ranges that any municipality, county or state is willing to pay (IOW I don&#8217;t expect to see a Chrysler 300 or Dodge Magnum in police livery any time soon) so that may be why Ford (a) keeps the thing in production and (b) hasn&#8217;t updated it much in years.  </p>
<p>Thousands of guaranteed sales per year and the eternal gratitude of the folks in blue probably bolsters the business sense of the decision, too.  I know a lot of LEAs were upset when Chevy finally axed their rear-drive Caprice (at least one of the police models had a Corvette engine in it) and Ford may enjoy being the maker of the most ubiquitous police car on the road.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Martin Albright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Albright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nathaniel, you said 

&lt;em&gt;&quot;The Ranger might still be the compact truck I would buy, but Ford deserves a punch in the face for letting this once popular model wither away like it has. I am not saying they should make it bigger and more complicated, but they definitely shouldnâ€™t have stopped development completely.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Okay, point taken.  I don&#039;t actually agree (I&#039;m more of a &quot;if it ain&#039;t broke, don&#039;t fix it&quot; guy) but I&#039;ll concede that it&#039;s a valid issue, nevertheless, we should not lose track of the fact that the &quot;W&quot; in TWAT means &quot;&lt;em&gt;Worst&lt;/em&gt;.&quot;  Neither the Camry nor the Ranger/B Series are the &quot;worst&quot; of anything  (the mere fact that they may not be the &lt;strong&gt;best &lt;/strong&gt;doesn&#039;t make them the worst.)

&quot;Worst&quot; has a specific meaning.  It doesn&#039;t mean &quot;The car I wouldn&#039;t be caught dead in because of its image&quot; (whether SUV or Prius.)  Jonny is right to defend the Cayenne, regardless of whether you despise SUVs and/or the people who drive them.  This is (or should be) an evaluation of the &lt;em&gt;vehicle&lt;/em&gt;, not the broad social trends that cause people to drive them.  

Were I to define a &quot;Worst&quot; car, I would do it like this:  Imagine that somebody you know and care about - friend or family member - is about to buy a car.  Assume you aren&#039;t the kind of jerk who would lecture someone about their choice of automobile for political reasons, but instead have genuine concern for their well being.  Now, if this person were to say &quot;I&#039;m thinking of buying a _________.&quot;  

If, out of genuine concern for that person&#039;s well-being you would have to tell that person &quot;Oh, man, don&#039;t buy that, they&#039;re complete pieces of crap!&quot; then I think you have a candidate for a TWAT.  

But if you merely &lt;em&gt;disagree &lt;/em&gt;with their choice (i.e. you hate SUVs or Hybrids or Imported cars or Domestic cars or pickup trucks) then I would say that&#039;s &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;not &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;enough to make it a TWAT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Nathaniel, you said </p>
<p><em>&#8220;The Ranger might still be the compact truck I would buy, but Ford deserves a punch in the face for letting this once popular model wither away like it has. I am not saying they should make it bigger and more complicated, but they definitely shouldnâ€™t have stopped development completely.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Okay, point taken.  I don&#8217;t actually agree (I&#8217;m more of a &#8220;if it ain&#8217;t broke, don&#8217;t fix it&#8221; guy) but I&#8217;ll concede that it&#8217;s a valid issue, nevertheless, we should not lose track of the fact that the &#8220;W&#8221; in TWAT means &#8220;<em>Worst</em>.&#8221;  Neither the Camry nor the Ranger/B Series are the &#8220;worst&#8221; of anything  (the mere fact that they may not be the <strong>best </strong>doesn&#8217;t make them the worst.)</p>
<p>&#8220;Worst&#8221; has a specific meaning.  It doesn&#8217;t mean &#8220;The car I wouldn&#8217;t be caught dead in because of its image&#8221; (whether SUV or Prius.)  Jonny is right to defend the Cayenne, regardless of whether you despise SUVs and/or the people who drive them.  This is (or should be) an evaluation of the <em>vehicle</em>, not the broad social trends that cause people to drive them.  </p>
<p>Were I to define a &#8220;Worst&#8221; car, I would do it like this:  Imagine that somebody you know and care about &#8211; friend or family member &#8211; is about to buy a car.  Assume you aren&#8217;t the kind of jerk who would lecture someone about their choice of automobile for political reasons, but instead have genuine concern for their well being.  Now, if this person were to say &#8220;I&#8217;m thinking of buying a _________.&#8221;  </p>
<p>If, out of genuine concern for that person&#8217;s well-being you would have to tell that person &#8220;Oh, man, don&#8217;t buy that, they&#8217;re complete pieces of crap!&#8221; then I think you have a candidate for a TWAT.  </p>
<p>But if you merely <em>disagree </em>with their choice (i.e. you hate SUVs or Hybrids or Imported cars or Domestic cars or pickup trucks) then I would say that&#8217;s <em><strong>not </strong></em>enough to make it a TWAT.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: BostonTeaParty</title>
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		<dc:creator>BostonTeaParty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I vote for the camry, and prius. I despise the compass too which i&#039;ll have to vote for, but it doesn&#039;t offend me as much as those toyota numpty vehicles. Do you ever get the feeling of over complacency starting to creep in from the japs as their quest for world domination speeds up and over stretches them? can anyone else imagine toyota boardroom meetings taking place with everyone stroking white cats, laughing maniaclly whilst deciding which next boring product to throw on the north american masses? quality issues are the beginning of the slip, i can feel de ja vu coming along death watch toyota in a few years??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I vote for the camry, and prius. I despise the compass too which i&#8217;ll have to vote for, but it doesn&#8217;t offend me as much as those toyota numpty vehicles. Do you ever get the feeling of over complacency starting to creep in from the japs as their quest for world domination speeds up and over stretches them? can anyone else imagine toyota boardroom meetings taking place with everyone stroking white cats, laughing maniaclly whilst deciding which next boring product to throw on the north american masses? quality issues are the beginning of the slip, i can feel de ja vu coming along death watch toyota in a few years??<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: BostonTeaParty</title>
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		<dc:creator>BostonTeaParty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I vote for the camry, and prius. I despise the compass but it doesn&#039;t offend me as much as those toyota numpty vehicles. Do you ever get the feeling of over complacency starting to creep in from the japs as their quest for world domination speeds up and over stretches them? can anyone else imagine toyota boardroom meetings taking place with everyone stroking white cats, laughing maniaclly whilst deciding which next boring product to throw on the north american masses? quality issues are the beginning of the slip, i can feel de ja vu coming along death watch toyota in a few years??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I vote for the camry, and prius. I despise the compass but it doesn&#8217;t offend me as much as those toyota numpty vehicles. Do you ever get the feeling of over complacency starting to creep in from the japs as their quest for world domination speeds up and over stretches them? can anyone else imagine toyota boardroom meetings taking place with everyone stroking white cats, laughing maniaclly whilst deciding which next boring product to throw on the north american masses? quality issues are the beginning of the slip, i can feel de ja vu coming along death watch toyota in a few years??<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: veritas399</title>
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		<dc:creator>veritas399</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I nominate Ford Crown Victoria/Mecury Grand Marquis/Lincoln Towncar.
1. Styling reminicent of the mid 1990&#039;s possibly since it has not been updated since the mid 90&#039;s. The word &quot;crown vic&quot; is even a verb meaning to let a product rot on the vine with no updates for years. &quot;We won&#039;t crown vic the ford ranger.&quot;
2. The ancient body on frame design based on the 1979 Ford Panther platform! How&#039;s that for modern engineering!
3. A very questionable safety record with its electrical system and gas tanks:
http://www.crownvictoriasafetyalert.com/
4. Rated poor in side impact by the iihs.
5. Rated by Forbes magazine as having the highest drop in projected resale value.
6. It is one UGLY car!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I nominate Ford Crown Victoria/Mecury Grand Marquis/Lincoln Towncar.<br />
1. Styling reminicent of the mid 1990&#8217;s possibly since it has not been updated since the mid 90&#8217;s. The word &#8220;crown vic&#8221; is even a verb meaning to let a product rot on the vine with no updates for years. &#8220;We won&#8217;t crown vic the ford ranger.&#8221;<br />
2. The ancient body on frame design based on the 1979 Ford Panther platform! How&#8217;s that for modern engineering!<br />
3. A very questionable safety record with its electrical system and gas tanks:<br />
<a href="http://www.crownvictoriasafetyalert.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.crownvictoriasafetyalert.com/</a><br />
4. Rated poor in side impact by the iihs.<br />
5. Rated by Forbes magazine as having the highest drop in projected resale value.<br />
6. It is one UGLY car!!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: barberoux</title>
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		<dc:creator>barberoux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Camry is the best car of its type.  Its type is utterly boring and uninspired but so are many people.  Vanilla exists and some vanillas are better than others.  If you want vanilla, and many do, then the Camry is your best bet.  I would think my life is over if I owned a Camry.  I&#039;d put on my white belt and white shoes and jump off a cliff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->The Camry is the best car of its type.  Its type is utterly boring and uninspired but so are many people.  Vanilla exists and some vanillas are better than others.  If you want vanilla, and many do, then the Camry is your best bet.  I would think my life is over if I owned a Camry.  I&#8217;d put on my white belt and white shoes and jump off a cliff.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Jonny Lieberman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonny Lieberman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 06:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, it does not.

Great engineering never cheapens a brand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->No, it does not.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 06:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s just it, then, isn&#039;t it? If I&#039;ve taken my old Escort further offroad than the typical Cayenne, then it was built only so Porsche would make money, only to appeal to twats who wouldn&#039;t be caught dead in a wagon, for whatever stupid reason. And that cheapens the brand, no matter how brilliant the vehicle is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->That&#8217;s just it, then, isn&#8217;t it? If I&#8217;ve taken my old Escort further offroad than the typical Cayenne, then it was built only so Porsche would make money, only to appeal to twats who wouldn&#8217;t be caught dead in a wagon, for whatever stupid reason. And that cheapens the brand, no matter how brilliant the vehicle is.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Jonny Lieberman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonny Lieberman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 05:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I going to keep defending the Cayenne Turbo. Just because people do not take advantage of its capabilities is not the vehicle&#039;s fault. Porsche could have chose to build a soft-roader ala the X5, but instead they decided to stay true to what SUVs SHOULD be and built the very best on roader and off roader. 

Same goes for the Phaeton, which at the time of its release was the best car in the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I going to keep defending the Cayenne Turbo. Just because people do not take advantage of its capabilities is not the vehicle&#8217;s fault. Porsche could have chose to build a soft-roader ala the X5, but instead they decided to stay true to what SUVs SHOULD be and built the very best on roader and off roader. </p>
<p>Same goes for the Phaeton, which at the time of its release was the best car in the world.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Steven T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 05:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TTAC readers are quite astute in sensing something deeply wrong with the latest Camry.  Alas, folks have been dancing around the real issue:  The Camry represents a nefarious plot by space aliens to infiltrate the automobile industry.

Consider the evidence.  Take a good, slow walk around a Camry.  Pay particular attention to that â€œthird eyeâ€ grille.  Ask yourself:  How could a human possibly design this?

Answer:  Impossible (at least now that the designers of the Datsun B-210 have retired).  The Camry is clearly the work of creatures who are trying much too hard to appear â€œnormalâ€ but havenâ€™t quite mastered the basics of humanoid aesthetics.

Does this rise to the level of High TWATedness?  Me thinks no.  The drone-like quality of the Camry may be subverting our way of life, but it does so with remarkable all-around efficiency.  That third eye even has a strangely mesmerizing quality.  (Go ahead â€“ try staring at it for half an hour.)

Letâ€™s leave the wide-ranging policy implications of a space alien invasion to the political blogs.  TTAC should be about cars in all of their glorious, adolescent excess.  The TWAT awards should uphold for public ridicule the most incompetent shit boxes of our time.

Malibu?  Okay.  Tribeca?  Definitely.  Navigator?  Burn in hell.  But Camry?  Itâ€™s too late to resist anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->TTAC readers are quite astute in sensing something deeply wrong with the latest Camry.  Alas, folks have been dancing around the real issue:  The Camry represents a nefarious plot by space aliens to infiltrate the automobile industry.</p>
<p>Consider the evidence.  Take a good, slow walk around a Camry.  Pay particular attention to that â€œthird eyeâ€ grille.  Ask yourself:  How could a human possibly design this?</p>
<p>Answer:  Impossible (at least now that the designers of the Datsun B-210 have retired).  The Camry is clearly the work of creatures who are trying much too hard to appear â€œnormalâ€ but havenâ€™t quite mastered the basics of humanoid aesthetics.</p>
<p>Does this rise to the level of High TWATedness?  Me thinks no.  The drone-like quality of the Camry may be subverting our way of life, but it does so with remarkable all-around efficiency.  That third eye even has a strangely mesmerizing quality.  (Go ahead â€“ try staring at it for half an hour.)</p>
<p>Letâ€™s leave the wide-ranging policy implications of a space alien invasion to the political blogs.  TTAC should be about cars in all of their glorious, adolescent excess.  The TWAT awards should uphold for public ridicule the most incompetent shit boxes of our time.</p>
<p>Malibu?  Okay.  Tribeca?  Definitely.  Navigator?  Burn in hell.  But Camry?  Itâ€™s too late to resist anyway.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: toronado455</title>
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		<dc:creator>toronado455</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 05:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PT Cruiser Convertible = TWAT</description>
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		<title>By: jthorner</title>
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		<dc:creator>jthorner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 04:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My top choices for TWATS have to be the Maybach and any current Rolls Royce.   Why is it that VW can build a stunning high end luxury sedan under the Bentley banner while BMW (Rolls) and Mercedes (Maybach) put out these grotesque monstrosities?   Perhaps Bentleys are made to be sold to wealthy women who understand that looks still count for something.  Wealthy men often seem to feel that their money is more than enough of an attractant and that thus physical appearance is unimportant.  

The Maybach and Rolls designers seem to have taken a good look at Donald Trump&#039;s hair and concluded that good styling just doesn&#039;t matter to the wealthy male.   This seems like a case of Target Customer product design gone mad!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->My top choices for TWATS have to be the Maybach and any current Rolls Royce.   Why is it that VW can build a stunning high end luxury sedan under the Bentley banner while BMW (Rolls) and Mercedes (Maybach) put out these grotesque monstrosities?   Perhaps Bentleys are made to be sold to wealthy women who understand that looks still count for something.  Wealthy men often seem to feel that their money is more than enough of an attractant and that thus physical appearance is unimportant.  </p>
<p>The Maybach and Rolls designers seem to have taken a good look at Donald Trump&#8217;s hair and concluded that good styling just doesn&#8217;t matter to the wealthy male.   This seems like a case of Target Customer product design gone mad!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 04:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as the Cayenne goes, as long as, say, ten people (outside of everyone in the middle east who&#039;s rich off oil, and got a Cayenne to go with their LM2002) went out, bought one, and actually legitimately drove it offroad, I&#039;d argue it shouldn&#039;t be a TWAT. On the other hand, if they&#039;re all used as glorified school buses, it&#039;s pure TWAT, a brilliant engineering exercise, but done to latch on to the latest (probably dying) trend. I can&#039;t help but think back to the corporate B.S. that was regurgitated to me by one of Porsche&#039;s representatives at the auto show when they first came out. Apparantly, Porsche built an SUV, because of their rally heritage. So why can&#039;t we buy a 911 on stilts then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->As far as the Cayenne goes, as long as, say, ten people (outside of everyone in the middle east who&#8217;s rich off oil, and got a Cayenne to go with their LM2002) went out, bought one, and actually legitimately drove it offroad, I&#8217;d argue it shouldn&#8217;t be a TWAT. On the other hand, if they&#8217;re all used as glorified school buses, it&#8217;s pure TWAT, a brilliant engineering exercise, but done to latch on to the latest (probably dying) trend. I can&#8217;t help but think back to the corporate B.S. that was regurgitated to me by one of Porsche&#8217;s representatives at the auto show when they first came out. Apparantly, Porsche built an SUV, because of their rally heritage. So why can&#8217;t we buy a 911 on stilts then?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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