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		<title>By: Dynamic88</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ttac-to-become-a-social-networking-site/comment-page-2/#comment-60085</link>
		<dc:creator>Dynamic88</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 18:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;idea for reducing bad behavior on forums: force people to sign in with their real names.&quot;

Good idea.

- John Smith. </description>
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<p>Good idea.</p>
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		<title>By: seths</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ttac-to-become-a-social-networking-site/comment-page-2/#comment-59267</link>
		<dc:creator>seths</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Robert,
Great to meet you and your daughter yesterday. Cool site! Hope to catch you around Prov. sometime soon.
Cheers,
Seth</description>
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Great to meet you and your daughter yesterday. Cool site! Hope to catch you around Prov. sometime soon.<br />
Cheers,<br />
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		<title>By: murphysamber</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ttac-to-become-a-social-networking-site/comment-page-2/#comment-59199</link>
		<dc:creator>murphysamber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert,

Would you mind doing that speech in front of a large american flag?  I feel compelled to chase Rommel all the way to the sea for some reason.</description>
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<p>Would you mind doing that speech in front of a large american flag?  I feel compelled to chase Rommel all the way to the sea for some reason.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: shaker</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ttac-to-become-a-social-networking-site/comment-page-2/#comment-59189</link>
		<dc:creator>shaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get a &quot;warm fuzzy&quot; when I google my real name, and come up with references to others who share it, but nothing personal. In these days of ID theft, I&#039;d prefer to keep it that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I get a &#8220;warm fuzzy&#8221; when I google my real name, and come up with references to others who share it, but nothing personal. In these days of ID theft, I&#8217;d prefer to keep it that way.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: mastermik</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ttac-to-become-a-social-networking-site/comment-page-2/#comment-59182</link>
		<dc:creator>mastermik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, get JL to write reviews again.</description>
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		<title>By: mastermik</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ttac-to-become-a-social-networking-site/comment-page-2/#comment-59180</link>
		<dc:creator>mastermik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 06:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, social network sounds good. specially a forum, b/c now we have to wait for one of your writers to initiate discussion through a review or editorial. As far as design, I just want it to be clean: more facebook than myspace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->well, social network sounds good. specially a forum, b/c now we have to wait for one of your writers to initiate discussion through a review or editorial. As far as design, I just want it to be clean: more facebook than myspace.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: EJ_San_Fran</title>
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		<dc:creator>EJ_San_Fran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 01:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With a &#039;forum&#039; format people could create their own mini-editorials with corresponding discussion threads. That would be fun. 

Policing proper manners and preventing &#039;junk&#039; content and endless irrelevant banter are essential to keep the place livable, though.</description>
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<p>Policing proper manners and preventing &#8216;junk&#8217; content and endless irrelevant banter are essential to keep the place livable, though.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: -TC-</title>
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		<dc:creator>-TC-</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 22:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;ghenriksen: 
July 7th, 2007 at 11:50 am 


Sounds like a good plan, Robert. I don’t understand the praise being heaped upon Slashdot; your plan of cherry-picking moderators sounds a route much more likely to preserve the unique feel of the site. Self-moderation systems seem to produce sycophantic popularity contests and group-think, censoring points of view rather than behavior.&lt;/em&gt; 

I agree most heartily with the above. I&#039;ve used this same structure on other sites and it seems to work the best overall.

Good luck.</description>
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July 7th, 2007 at 11:50 am </p>
<p>Sounds like a good plan, Robert. I don’t understand the praise being heaped upon Slashdot; your plan of cherry-picking moderators sounds a route much more likely to preserve the unique feel of the site. Self-moderation systems seem to produce sycophantic popularity contests and group-think, censoring points of view rather than behavior.</em> </p>
<p>I agree most heartily with the above. I&#8217;ve used this same structure on other sites and it seems to work the best overall.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Parkhurst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Parkhurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 21:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with David one hundred percent: have people use their real names. That is what newspapers have done for years, and the same too for (print) magazines. In regards to the latter, sometimes names and addresses are withheld; and in the cases of people working for a company, who might loose their jobs over their comments, exceptions can be made. 

However, the noxious practice of allowing people to creat &quot;handles&quot; for use on comments sections, really allows for some rants that would never get published; just look at some of the stuff appearing on &quot;newspaper&quot; web sites. 

If a person knows that the name they go by is going to be posted, they&#039;ll consider their words more carefully. Besides, in terms of making a social networking site, it becomes easier to link up with someone who might be going to the same auto related event you are; and to get hold of them via the phone book. (Which people who have seen something I had published have done, and it&#039;s almost always welcomed.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I agree with David one hundred percent: have people use their real names. That is what newspapers have done for years, and the same too for (print) magazines. In regards to the latter, sometimes names and addresses are withheld; and in the cases of people working for a company, who might loose their jobs over their comments, exceptions can be made. </p>
<p>However, the noxious practice of allowing people to creat &#8220;handles&#8221; for use on comments sections, really allows for some rants that would never get published; just look at some of the stuff appearing on &#8220;newspaper&#8221; web sites. </p>
<p>If a person knows that the name they go by is going to be posted, they&#8217;ll consider their words more carefully. Besides, in terms of making a social networking site, it becomes easier to link up with someone who might be going to the same auto related event you are; and to get hold of them via the phone book. (Which people who have seen something I had published have done, and it&#8217;s almost always welcomed.)<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Facebook User</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ttac-to-become-a-social-networking-site/comment-page-2/#comment-59129</link>
		<dc:creator>Facebook User</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lprocter 1982:

Whatever happened to Cartalks forum? I left it for a couple of months then came back and it had gone from poor to worse. I haven’t gone back since. I definitely agree that designing the new TTAC after Cartalk’s forum would be a bigggg mistake.

The best forum that I go to is Stovebolt.com.  Obviously not a general forum; it deals entirely with pre-1973 Chevy and GM trucks (the original in-line six developed by GM was known as a stovebolt engine).  This site is a great example of how to police a forum.  Once again, politics and religion are forbidden subjects no matter how reasoned or well mannered the discourse might be.  It is annoying at times, but it does result in a pleasant site to go to both for technical assistance or just to shoot the bull in the &quot;Off Topic&quot; forum.

Finally, I would also like to complement the literacy of the people on this forum.  Since it was brought up by a previous poster, I&#039;ll second the hope that this site never sinks to the level of every other site I&#039;ve seen on the internet where half of the posts are difficult or impossible to read due to all of the abbreviations and misspellings of the most common words.  What&#039;s doubly impressive is that this high standard exists in an arena with nearly nonexistent editing functions.</description>
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<p>Whatever happened to Cartalks forum? I left it for a couple of months then came back and it had gone from poor to worse. I haven’t gone back since. I definitely agree that designing the new TTAC after Cartalk’s forum would be a bigggg mistake.</p>
<p>The best forum that I go to is Stovebolt.com.  Obviously not a general forum; it deals entirely with pre-1973 Chevy and GM trucks (the original in-line six developed by GM was known as a stovebolt engine).  This site is a great example of how to police a forum.  Once again, politics and religion are forbidden subjects no matter how reasoned or well mannered the discourse might be.  It is annoying at times, but it does result in a pleasant site to go to both for technical assistance or just to shoot the bull in the &#8220;Off Topic&#8221; forum.</p>
<p>Finally, I would also like to complement the literacy of the people on this forum.  Since it was brought up by a previous poster, I&#8217;ll second the hope that this site never sinks to the level of every other site I&#8217;ve seen on the internet where half of the posts are difficult or impossible to read due to all of the abbreviations and misspellings of the most common words.  What&#8217;s doubly impressive is that this high standard exists in an arena with nearly nonexistent editing functions.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: beken</title>
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		<dc:creator>beken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 18:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TTAC has become one of my daily must-read sites and hope it continues on.  However, I feel I must make comment about podcasts.  They seem to be a rage right now but I was wondering if I was the only one to steer away from them.  I find they take too long to listen through where I can speed read through some of the articles.  Maybe if podcasts evolve to include indexing so I can listen only to parts that peak my interest.  

Anyways, just thought I would make a comment.</description>
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		<title>By: greenb1ood</title>
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		<dc:creator>greenb1ood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 18:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;David Holzman:&lt;/em&gt;
While this is not a bad idea, it would be very difficult to enforce, plus it would not allow people like me who work in the industry to freely discuss some topics.</description>
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While this is not a bad idea, it would be very difficult to enforce, plus it would not allow people like me who work in the industry to freely discuss some topics.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: David Holzman</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Holzman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 17:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>idea for reducing bad behavior on forums: force people to sign in with their real names.</description>
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		<title>By: greenb1ood</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ttac-to-become-a-social-networking-site/comment-page-2/#comment-59079</link>
		<dc:creator>greenb1ood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 17:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Additionally, you could congratulate the founding members with an editorial and post updates whenever new members are added.  This way, the new members wouldn&#039;t just show up, but be properly welcomed into a semi-exclusive club of auto bloggers. 

The more I think about it, the more I like this idea.</description>
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		<title>By: greenb1ood</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ttac-to-become-a-social-networking-site/comment-page-2/#comment-59078</link>
		<dc:creator>greenb1ood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 17:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RF: Glad to see you&#039;re not resting on your laurels...how hypocritical would that be right?...and branching out into new areas of technology and interest.

My 2 cents as someone who reads often, but comments little is to keep the sight focused on intelligent discourse.

This would all but eliminate a typical forums section without vigorous 24/7 moderation.  But there has to be another way to further elevate the TTAC experience...  

My suggestion is to make long term members who have shown their ability to be genuine and decent over a specific period of time (decided by your staff) in the article comments the sole community in the forums.

I know this might acually eliminate myself as a founding member due to my lack of comments over my year or two of membership, but if you look back at all of them I doubt you&#039;d find a single &#039;flaming&#039; or &#039;attack&#039;.

This smaller community would in essence police itself by notifying you of improper use, and it&#039;s contents could be read-only for the rest of the internet so that non-members could educate themselves with the diverse, well thought out opinions of your readers.

Achieving entry into the forum would be a reward for the kind of intelligent discourse TTAC promotes, and anyone who took the time to fake their way in would be quickly identified as fraud by the established members.

What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->RF: Glad to see you&#8217;re not resting on your laurels&#8230;how hypocritical would that be right?&#8230;and branching out into new areas of technology and interest.</p>
<p>My 2 cents as someone who reads often, but comments little is to keep the sight focused on intelligent discourse.</p>
<p>This would all but eliminate a typical forums section without vigorous 24/7 moderation.  But there has to be another way to further elevate the TTAC experience&#8230;  </p>
<p>My suggestion is to make long term members who have shown their ability to be genuine and decent over a specific period of time (decided by your staff) in the article comments the sole community in the forums.</p>
<p>I know this might acually eliminate myself as a founding member due to my lack of comments over my year or two of membership, but if you look back at all of them I doubt you&#8217;d find a single &#8216;flaming&#8217; or &#8216;attack&#8217;.</p>
<p>This smaller community would in essence police itself by notifying you of improper use, and it&#8217;s contents could be read-only for the rest of the internet so that non-members could educate themselves with the diverse, well thought out opinions of your readers.</p>
<p>Achieving entry into the forum would be a reward for the kind of intelligent discourse TTAC promotes, and anyone who took the time to fake their way in would be quickly identified as fraud by the established members.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Farago</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Farago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 16:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As stated above (hey! how about numbering the comments?), we&#039;ll hold off on the forums. 

Your feedback has been MOST helpful. I&#039;m thinking now of a phased introduction of features, so we can maintain quality when (to God&#039;s ears) traffic increases.

As long as I&#039;m at the helm (and hopefully longer), TTAC will not descent to Myspace and/or Car&amp;Driver levels to become editorial fluff and nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->As stated above (hey! how about numbering the comments?), we&#8217;ll hold off on the forums. </p>
<p>Your feedback has been MOST helpful. I&#8217;m thinking now of a phased introduction of features, so we can maintain quality when (to God&#8217;s ears) traffic increases.</p>
<p>As long as I&#8217;m at the helm (and hopefully longer), TTAC will not descent to Myspace and/or Car&#038;Driver levels to become editorial fluff and nonsense.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Caffiend</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caffiend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 16:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the consensus that forums are a bad for for TTAC.  Consider adding a comment rating system, up/down, as on reddit.com.  Commenters could be rated based on a total of votes for the various submissions.  

Moderation would be usefull to maintain the high degree of usefull comments.  A global delete of the First Post crap and other unrelated nonsense.

Change is good.</description>
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<p>Moderation would be usefull to maintain the high degree of usefull comments.  A global delete of the First Post crap and other unrelated nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: fallout11</title>
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		<dc:creator>fallout11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I happen to agree with Nino and Mistercopacetic, and see this as a bad idea.....
Endless growth is a paradigm appropriate for terminal stage cancer or yeast, not a smart, savvy, prescient automotive editorial and review website.   Dilution and over saturation will be the inevitable result, leaving TTAC an online cross between Myspace and &quot;Car and Driver&quot;.  Blah!</description>
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Endless growth is a paradigm appropriate for terminal stage cancer or yeast, not a smart, savvy, prescient automotive editorial and review website.   Dilution and over saturation will be the inevitable result, leaving TTAC an online cross between Myspace and &#8220;Car and Driver&#8221;.  Blah!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Danda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Danda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it becomes a social networking site, my employer will ban it from the &quot;approved&quot; Web site lists. That means I won&#039;t be able to participate during working hours. So my participation will decline severely--until I buy an iPhone and use it get around the corporate firewall. But that&#039;s another story.....</description>
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		<title>By: MgoBLUE</title>
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		<dc:creator>MgoBLUE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RF,

You have my full support.  As others have said, I need my coffee and my TTAC, so do what you gotta do.

A few months ago I lost my Imus in the Morning -- and I&#039;m not adjusting well.  Had somebody given me the option of losing Imus or paying ten bucks a month (even to the &quot;victims&quot;), I would have happily ponied up the Hamiltons.  So let me be the first to suggest a premium membership fee (or whatever kind of fee makes sense).  Maybe this is the way to keep the editorial section free of kids, bums and flamers.

That said, I&#039;m going to put my money where my mouth is and head over to the TTAC SWAG area today...cha-ching!</description>
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<p>You have my full support.  As others have said, I need my coffee and my TTAC, so do what you gotta do.</p>
<p>A few months ago I lost my Imus in the Morning &#8212; and I&#8217;m not adjusting well.  Had somebody given me the option of losing Imus or paying ten bucks a month (even to the &#8220;victims&#8221;), I would have happily ponied up the Hamiltons.  So let me be the first to suggest a premium membership fee (or whatever kind of fee makes sense).  Maybe this is the way to keep the editorial section free of kids, bums and flamers.</p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;m going to put my money where my mouth is and head over to the TTAC SWAG area today&#8230;cha-ching!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Blunozer</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ttac-to-become-a-social-networking-site/comment-page-1/#comment-59011</link>
		<dc:creator>Blunozer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear you guys on the whole &quot;group-think&quot; stuff.  I was a moderator on ephatch.com (02-06 Civic Si).  Although I had a lot of fun, there was definatly a shortage of new ideas and opinions and things just got stale after a while.

Lookin&#039; forward to TTACSpace! (wink)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I hear you guys on the whole &#8220;group-think&#8221; stuff.  I was a moderator on ephatch.com (02-06 Civic Si).  Although I had a lot of fun, there was definatly a shortage of new ideas and opinions and things just got stale after a while.</p>
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		<title>By: Sherman Lin</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ttac-to-become-a-social-networking-site/comment-page-1/#comment-58915</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherman Lin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 17:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey I like chopped liver and TTAC but do as you must to grow the business.</description>
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		<title>By: mistercopacetic</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ttac-to-become-a-social-networking-site/comment-page-1/#comment-58898</link>
		<dc:creator>mistercopacetic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 14:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see the point you&#039;re making, Nino. It seems Mr. Farago has goals that may be in conflict: preserving the core group of automotive enthusiasts by providing them a safe virtual haven, but also bringing more people into the fold. Personally, I would say it&#039;s up to auto enthusiasts to spread the word amongst ourselves. 

Have you ever been to a really great restaurant, and wished they did more advertising so more people knew about it? Bad idea! Just tell your friends, then they tell their friends, etc. Each person spreading the word is their own filter.

I support opening up the site more, but I can&#039;t imagine how much filtering Mr. Farago has to do already in the comments sections alone, just to keep this site running. For my part, what keeps me coming back is the writing both above and below the fold, and the clean site design. But please, for the love of God, DON&#039;T dumb down the editorials (or anything else) just to bring in more people!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I see the point you&#8217;re making, Nino. It seems Mr. Farago has goals that may be in conflict: preserving the core group of automotive enthusiasts by providing them a safe virtual haven, but also bringing more people into the fold. Personally, I would say it&#8217;s up to auto enthusiasts to spread the word amongst ourselves. </p>
<p>Have you ever been to a really great restaurant, and wished they did more advertising so more people knew about it? Bad idea! Just tell your friends, then they tell their friends, etc. Each person spreading the word is their own filter.</p>
<p>I support opening up the site more, but I can&#8217;t imagine how much filtering Mr. Farago has to do already in the comments sections alone, just to keep this site running. For my part, what keeps me coming back is the writing both above and below the fold, and the clean site design. But please, for the love of God, DON&#8217;T dumb down the editorials (or anything else) just to bring in more people!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: shaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>shaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 13:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to inhabit the forums at somethingawful.com; they had &quot;public&quot; forums and &quot;private&quot; forums (which required a one-time $10 fee to join). Posters who flamed or trolled were &quot;flagged&quot; by members, and those that were deemed in violation were &quot;banned&quot; (i.e. their $10 was history) but could re-register. Repeated violators were &quot;permabanned&quot;, but some would re-register with a new e-mail address and username, but savvy members would eventually smoke them out. Still, the &quot;10 bux&quot; requirement tended to make trolling expensive -- you&#039;d be surprised at the civility of people on a forum that was essentially the Internet version of the &quot;Wild West&quot;. (and the requirement for the site owner and appointed moderators to stay on top 24/7!)
That said, I&#039;d suggest a &quot;step-by-step&quot; approach, as you&#039;ll be able to see the point of &quot;diminshing returns&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I used to inhabit the forums at somethingawful.com; they had &#8220;public&#8221; forums and &#8220;private&#8221; forums (which required a one-time $10 fee to join). Posters who flamed or trolled were &#8220;flagged&#8221; by members, and those that were deemed in violation were &#8220;banned&#8221; (i.e. their $10 was history) but could re-register. Repeated violators were &#8220;permabanned&#8221;, but some would re-register with a new e-mail address and username, but savvy members would eventually smoke them out. Still, the &#8220;10 bux&#8221; requirement tended to make trolling expensive &#8212; you&#8217;d be surprised at the civility of people on a forum that was essentially the Internet version of the &#8220;Wild West&#8221;. (and the requirement for the site owner and appointed moderators to stay on top 24/7!)<br />
That said, I&#8217;d suggest a &#8220;step-by-step&#8221; approach, as you&#8217;ll be able to see the point of &#8220;diminshing returns&#8221;.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: nino</title>
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		<dc:creator>nino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 05:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that I&#039;m qualified to offer an opinion on this, but here goes anyway:

TRUE car enthusiasts are small in number. While I understand that you want to bring in more people to the site, just increasing the traffic is no guarantee that the quality of the site will remain. As has already been pointed out, the site will open itself to many undesirable elements unless certain measures are taken upfront in the planning stage. Right off the bat, I would say NO to an open forum type arrangement.

The other idea of allowing visitors to post pictures and such, I really don&#039;t see the value in that. Do we need to see everybody&#039;s &quot;ride&quot; here? Besides, there are other sites already set up where people can sooth their egos posting pics of their cars.

The one suggestion that I really like is getting the experts that post comments to be given a forum, so to speak, to elaborate in their area of expertise. A perfect example would be to get an in-depth opinion of a car salesman to rebut some of the posts and comments made about car salesmen and maybe even offer advice. The same insight would be very useful from the many professionals that I know for sure share their comments here.

In the end, I found nothing wrong with the way TTAC was before and I certainly don&#039;t find anything wrong with the way TTAC is now. I would however be disappoited if TTAC became just another place where people argue about which car is the best and how they beat a Ferrari with their modded Yugo. I enjoy the articles that give an insight to the industry that isn&#039;t readily available at other places. In my opinion, THIS IS WHAT MAKES THIS SITE UNIQUE. This is what should be the focus and what should be enhanced.</description>
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<p>TRUE car enthusiasts are small in number. While I understand that you want to bring in more people to the site, just increasing the traffic is no guarantee that the quality of the site will remain. As has already been pointed out, the site will open itself to many undesirable elements unless certain measures are taken upfront in the planning stage. Right off the bat, I would say NO to an open forum type arrangement.</p>
<p>The other idea of allowing visitors to post pictures and such, I really don&#8217;t see the value in that. Do we need to see everybody&#8217;s &#8220;ride&#8221; here? Besides, there are other sites already set up where people can sooth their egos posting pics of their cars.</p>
<p>The one suggestion that I really like is getting the experts that post comments to be given a forum, so to speak, to elaborate in their area of expertise. A perfect example would be to get an in-depth opinion of a car salesman to rebut some of the posts and comments made about car salesmen and maybe even offer advice. The same insight would be very useful from the many professionals that I know for sure share their comments here.</p>
<p>In the end, I found nothing wrong with the way TTAC was before and I certainly don&#8217;t find anything wrong with the way TTAC is now. I would however be disappoited if TTAC became just another place where people argue about which car is the best and how they beat a Ferrari with their modded Yugo. I enjoy the articles that give an insight to the industry that isn&#8217;t readily available at other places. In my opinion, THIS IS WHAT MAKES THIS SITE UNIQUE. This is what should be the focus and what should be enhanced.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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