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	<title>Comments on: NYT Slams CAR Job Loss Numbers</title>
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		<title>By: Morea</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ttac-called-it-nyt-slams-car-job-loss-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-968211</link>
		<dc:creator>Morea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all due respect to TTAC and the NYT, a five year old with an internet connection could have figured this one out.</description>
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		<title>By: Edward Niedermeyer</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ttac-called-it-nyt-slams-car-job-loss-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-966571</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward Niedermeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a couple of grains of salt for the last point on possible job recovery.

1- It&#039;s CAR.

2- &quot;extrapolates&quot;

3- It&#039;s 2011. Nobody knows what things are going to look like come 2011. Nobody.

I wasn&#039;t saying the D3 execs should be flogging this stat, but it&#039;s certainly no less misleading than the stats they are currently spreading.</description>
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<p>1- It&#8217;s CAR.</p>
<p>2- &#8220;extrapolates&#8221;</p>
<p>3- It&#8217;s 2011. Nobody knows what things are going to look like come 2011. Nobody.</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t saying the D3 execs should be flogging this stat, but it&#8217;s certainly no less misleading than the stats they are currently spreading.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Lichtronamo</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ttac-called-it-nyt-slams-car-job-loss-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-966472</link>
		<dc:creator>Lichtronamo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SunnyvaleCA :

You may very well be right in that the run up to 17 million units was fueled on easy credit for the not credit worthy and GM, Ford and Chrysler&#039;s need to keep the lines running.</description>
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<p>You may very well be right in that the run up to 17 million units was fueled on easy credit for the not credit worthy and GM, Ford and Chrysler&#8217;s need to keep the lines running.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: SunnyvaleCA</title>
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		<dc:creator>SunnyvaleCA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;major contraction … would be recovered by 2011&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m not sure about that.  I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if a lower level of yearly car sales becomes the norm for this country because:
  * Modern vehicles are quite durable (no more of those cars that rust through in 5 to 10 years).
  * Demographics are shifting towards retired people, who don&#039;t drive as much.
  * Shift away from a consumer culture of debt-financed spending.
  * Reduced roll of car dealers due to internet.

Add that up and I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if we see a permanent shift from 16 million units in 2007 to more like 12 million annually going forward, even if the country pulls out of its current financial woes.  That permanent demand decline would be yet another reason why GM should reorganize under C11--they need to match the market reality that consumers are just not going to buy as much stuff.</description>
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<blockquote><i>major contraction … would be recovered by 2011</i></p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure about that.  I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if a lower level of yearly car sales becomes the norm for this country because:<br />
  * Modern vehicles are quite durable (no more of those cars that rust through in 5 to 10 years).<br />
  * Demographics are shifting towards retired people, who don&#8217;t drive as much.<br />
  * Shift away from a consumer culture of debt-financed spending.<br />
  * Reduced roll of car dealers due to internet.</p>
<p>Add that up and I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if we see a permanent shift from 16 million units in 2007 to more like 12 million annually going forward, even if the country pulls out of its current financial woes.  That permanent demand decline would be yet another reason why GM should reorganize under C11&#8211;they need to match the market reality that consumers are just not going to buy as much stuff.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Lichtronamo</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ttac-called-it-nyt-slams-car-job-loss-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-966281</link>
		<dc:creator>Lichtronamo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Between corporate jets and faulty data, this whole push for a bailout has turned into a PR fiasco for GM, Ford and Chrysler.</description>
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		<title>By: toxicroach</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ttac-called-it-nyt-slams-car-job-loss-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-966212</link>
		<dc:creator>toxicroach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Car washes are included in the auto industry numbers to get 1 in 10? Lies, damned lies, and statistics.

Of course, the more optimistic estimate of losing 2.5-3 million jobs isn&#039;t exactly heartwarming.</description>
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<p>Of course, the more optimistic estimate of losing 2.5-3 million jobs isn&#8217;t exactly heartwarming.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: elloh7</title>
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		<dc:creator>elloh7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Detroiters deliberately spreading misinformation in the hopes of lining their own pockets?! Say it is&#039;nt so!</description>
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