Comments on: Toyota June Sales Fall 34.6 Percent

By: cpmanx

cpmanx — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 04:53:33 +0000

The most notable nameplates here are not the RAV4 or Tundra–they are the Camry and Corolla, the core of the Toyota brand. Both took huge hits this month.

Yes, Toyota has kept incentives in check but there is no way to candy-coat it: after a long, easy run of sales increases in the American market, Toyota is hitting some serious rough times. The June numbers are simply dismal, especially compared to what Ford, Hyundai/Kia, Subaru and even VW are doing.

By: bumpy ii

bumpy ii — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:02:59 +0000

No, this one is only Toyota. I do have the data for GM, so that one is next on the agenda.

By: Quentin

Quentin — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:25:41 +0000

bumpy ii – Cool! Does that include other manufacturers?

RF – are you going to host it?

By: dash riprock

dash riprock — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 06:06:42 +0000

What about the tundra? How did it do agaisnt the F 150? Last year comparison? New plant, new incentives? Seems to be forgotten. Prius is the best performer in the market net of incentives

By: mikey

mikey — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 00:51:12 +0000

@Geo Levecque.. So you heard that Hyundai has some rust issues. Have a look at some of the KIA’s
here in southern Ontario. Toyota has done a better job of rust control but if your planning to keep your RAV4,get it rustproofed.

By: bumpy ii

bumpy ii — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 00:13:32 +0000

Okay, I’ve got the Yote up to date. Farago or whomever: if you want to host it, shoot me an email.

By: Geo. Levecque

Geo. Levecque — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:14:27 +0000

I rather enjoy my 2008 RAV4, 4 cy, I find it just right for me and my Show Dogs, crate and all or no crates still enough room if you are a good “packer”
One thing I have heard about some Hyundai models is they have premature rusting on some body panels, that would put me off that “Brand” and I do know that they use a lot of Gasoline ie the Santa-Fe model with Gasoline on the way up, especially here in Canada its over $1.02 Canadian per litre, I have found that if I keep the speed on my RAV4 resonable, I can get over 39 mpg. with the AC on!

By: bumpy ii

bumpy ii — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:06:12 +0000

“I’d love to see an excel sheet that shows sales by vehicle for the past several years and month to month instead of just this month versus this month from last year.”

For Toyota, I actually have that for 2004-7. I can plug in the last 18 months, if I can find a source for the individual model data.

GM has been putting their monthly releases into spreadsheet form for a year or three now, so that’s mostly a matter of copying the appropriate columns into a master sheet.

By: KixStart

KixStart — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:04:18 +0000

Regarding the Rav’s competition, friends own Santa Fe’s and like them very much, except for the fuel economy, which they say, and I quote, “sucks.” They both get 21mpg in almost entirely highway driving at moderate speeds. I believe both are 2WD, not AWD/4WD.

In spite of the poor fuel economy, one Santa-Fe-owning friend bought a second.

By: theflyersfan

theflyersfan — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:42:38 +0000

…and the Scion experiment ends when???

By: psarhjinian

psarhjinian — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:31:39 +0000

I understand that RAV4 is practical, economical, and inexpensive, but still… there must be better wagons in the market by now.

You’d think so, but no, there isn’t. The Rogue and CRV are almost as good**, but somewhat cramped and not a lot more efficient. The Outlander and Vue are not bad, either, but Saturn is a dead brand walking and Mitsubishi isn’t far behind.

Everything else is either just not quite as good (Santa Fe), really not quite as good (Sportage, Torrent, old Equinox), outright awful (Compatriot), so old it hurts (Tribute/Escape), actual trucks (and thusly unpleasant for most: Sorrento, Vitara, Liberty, Wrangler), weird (Element), somewhat more expensive (CX-7, Tiguan) or a lot more expensive (RDX, X3, GLK).

About the only tall wagonoid that’s competitive is the Subaru Forester***, and Subaru doesn’t have Toyota’s reach, and the Subie, like the Rogue and CR-V, are kind of cramped.

Say what you will about some of Toyota’s more recent efforts being phoned-in, the RAV is really, really good.

** except the V6 models. Have you driven a V6 RAV? Holy shit is that thing quick.

*** and possibly the Terrequinox.

By: Bunter1

Bunter1 — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:14:32 +0000

Edmunds shows that Toyota actually lowered incentives in June and they haven’t gone to the payment guarentees of some others.

Apparently they are taking a “let’s ride this out, let the other guy’s panic” attitude.

Bunter

By: AKM

AKM — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:11:15 +0000

It’s really very hard to detect any form of trends in current vehicle sales evolutions, whether looking at price, size, fuel economy, or most recent redesign.

By: Facebook User

Facebook User — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:23:20 +0000

The weird part is, RAV4 hasn’t seen a redesign since 2006. The 2010 got a very nice 4-cyl 2.5L engine, with a power increase and better economy… mated to the same blasted tranny they were shipping on 2003 model (that whole powertrain carrived over to redesigned RAV4). The V-6 and its 5sp continue unchanged. So it’s an ancient vehicle really. I understand that RAV4 is practical, economical, and inexpensive, but still… there must be better wagons in the market by now.

By: Quentin

Quentin — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:10:46 +0000

I know this would be a huge undertaking, but I’d love to see an excel sheet that shows sales by vehicle for the past several years and month to month instead of just this month versus this month from last year. I think we can all agree that comparing 2008 sales to 2009 sales is going to be ugly no matter. Seeing the trend (as if it were a stock ticker) is more useful to fully understand how the vehicle is doing in the marketplace. Showing a change in market share would be a good metric to have laid out, too.