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		<title>By: fallout11</title>
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		<dc:creator>fallout11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sense a little revisionism here, guys.

By 1995 the bloom had started to come off the Jeep/AMC acquisitions. It was those that saved Chrysler a second time, even as the K-car and minivan magic was winding down. The only other thing Chryco had was Mitsubishi/DiamondStar (e.g. Colt, Ram D-50, Laser, Conquest, Stratus, etc) products. 
The LH series vehicles, Neon, and Grand Cherokee were all AMC legacy, already in development when Chryco took over. Even the new Ram was AMC personnel designed. Chrysler had nothing of its own, as others have pointed out earlier in this post, and an American keiretsu plus vehicle centers or not, Chrysler still made vehicles with detonating transmissions that couldn&#039;t keep their paint. Throw in Capt. Kirk and Iaccoca&#039;s attempted coup, and Eaton could see the writing on the wall well enough. The Germans badly overpaid, saving the &quot;Crisis Corporation&quot; once more, only to see it slip away under their watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I sense a little revisionism here, guys.</p>
<p>By 1995 the bloom had started to come off the Jeep/AMC acquisitions. It was those that saved Chrysler a second time, even as the K-car and minivan magic was winding down. The only other thing Chryco had was Mitsubishi/DiamondStar (e.g. Colt, Ram D-50, Laser, Conquest, Stratus, etc) products.<br />
The LH series vehicles, Neon, and Grand Cherokee were all AMC legacy, already in development when Chryco took over. Even the new Ram was AMC personnel designed. Chrysler had nothing of its own, as others have pointed out earlier in this post, and an American keiretsu plus vehicle centers or not, Chrysler still made vehicles with detonating transmissions that couldn&#8217;t keep their paint. Throw in Capt. Kirk and Iaccoca&#8217;s attempted coup, and Eaton could see the writing on the wall well enough. The Germans badly overpaid, saving the &#8220;Crisis Corporation&#8221; once more, only to see it slip away under their watch.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: NickR</title>
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		<dc:creator>NickR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It still astonishes me that a foreign company can acquire an American company, lay waste to it, then abandon it to die.  I am no socialist, but there is something deeply wrong when the people behind this disaster can simply walk away.  How about closing the borders to Mercedes for oh, a decade or so.  I&#039;d love that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->It still astonishes me that a foreign company can acquire an American company, lay waste to it, then abandon it to die.  I am no socialist, but there is something deeply wrong when the people behind this disaster can simply walk away.  How about closing the borders to Mercedes for oh, a decade or so.  I&#8217;d love that.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: charleywhiskey</title>
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		<dc:creator>charleywhiskey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>autonut:

Yes, Iaccoca was the Chrysler hero in the &#039;80s but after his retirement, he supported Kerkorian&#039;s takeover attempt circa 1995 which was the proximate cause of Eaton&#039;s frantic search for a white knight.</description>
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<p>Yes, Iaccoca was the Chrysler hero in the &#8217;80s but after his retirement, he supported Kerkorian&#8217;s takeover attempt circa 1995 which was the proximate cause of Eaton&#8217;s frantic search for a white knight.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Orian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Orian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;With the exception of the Patriot, Wrangler, Grand Cherokee, Viper, Ram, and maybe the 300, what do they sell that Americans want?&lt;/em&gt;

Someone wanted a Patriot?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>With the exception of the Patriot, Wrangler, Grand Cherokee, Viper, Ram, and maybe the 300, what do they sell that Americans want?</em></p>
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		<title>By: br549</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/the-under-reported-chrysler-product-strikeout/comment-page-1/#comment-918242</link>
		<dc:creator>br549</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Toyota was actually concerned by these developments. Up to that point, no U.S. company had shown signs of getting it right and developing a culture that could compete with Toyota. But Chrysler was beginning to get it right.&lt;/em&gt;

I remember Chrysler back in &#039;95. Heady days indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>Toyota was actually concerned by these developments. Up to that point, no U.S. company had shown signs of getting it right and developing a culture that could compete with Toyota. But Chrysler was beginning to get it right.</em></p>
<p>I remember Chrysler back in &#8216;95. Heady days indeed.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Robert Farago</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/the-under-reported-chrysler-product-strikeout/comment-page-1/#comment-918131</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Farago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Anyone who witnessed the rebirth of Chrysler under Lee Iacocca knows that one of the best product decisions he made was to invest in the K-Car, the basis for all the new passenger cars introduced in the 1980s. It saved the company from ruin. Then, in the 1990s, he was willing to step back and allow some remarkable leaders like Bob Eaton and Tom Stallkamp and Bob Lutz and François Castaing to reshape the company. 

A major focus was in product development, where vehicle centers (modeled after Honda) were created to realign the old functional organization into a product-driven organization. Engineers responsible for electrical components, body engineering, chassis engineering, and manufacturing engineering were all put together under one general manager, who took a role something like the Toyota chief engineer. These groups had a single focus—produce excellent vehicles that customers will want to buy at a low cost so Chrysler could make a profit. 

This led to the LH series of vehicles (Chrysler Concorde, Dodge Intrepid, etc.), a modernized minivan, the Neon, an award-winning new Jeep Grand Cherokee, and even the quirky but popular PT Cruiser. Each general manager was learning from the last one and the organization, at least in product development, was getting stronger and stronger. In the meantime, Tom Stallkamp was revolutionizing purchasing and creating what a Harvard Business Review article called an “American keiretsu” (Dyer, 1996). Chrysler soon became the world’s most profitable car company in terms of profit per vehicle—not the biggest, but the most profitable per vehicle.

Toyota was actually concerned by these developments. Up to that point, no U.S. company had shown signs of getting it right and developing a culture that could compete with Toyota. But Chrysler was beginning to get it right.

Fortunately for Toyota, Chrysler was bought by Daimler.&quot;

From The Toyota Way: 14 Management Principles from the World’s Greatest Manufacturer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->&#8220;Anyone who witnessed the rebirth of Chrysler under Lee Iacocca knows that one of the best product decisions he made was to invest in the K-Car, the basis for all the new passenger cars introduced in the 1980s. It saved the company from ruin. Then, in the 1990s, he was willing to step back and allow some remarkable leaders like Bob Eaton and Tom Stallkamp and Bob Lutz and François Castaing to reshape the company. </p>
<p>A major focus was in product development, where vehicle centers (modeled after Honda) were created to realign the old functional organization into a product-driven organization. Engineers responsible for electrical components, body engineering, chassis engineering, and manufacturing engineering were all put together under one general manager, who took a role something like the Toyota chief engineer. These groups had a single focus—produce excellent vehicles that customers will want to buy at a low cost so Chrysler could make a profit. </p>
<p>This led to the LH series of vehicles (Chrysler Concorde, Dodge Intrepid, etc.), a modernized minivan, the Neon, an award-winning new Jeep Grand Cherokee, and even the quirky but popular PT Cruiser. Each general manager was learning from the last one and the organization, at least in product development, was getting stronger and stronger. In the meantime, Tom Stallkamp was revolutionizing purchasing and creating what a Harvard Business Review article called an “American keiretsu” (Dyer, 1996). Chrysler soon became the world’s most profitable car company in terms of profit per vehicle—not the biggest, but the most profitable per vehicle.</p>
<p>Toyota was actually concerned by these developments. Up to that point, no U.S. company had shown signs of getting it right and developing a culture that could compete with Toyota. But Chrysler was beginning to get it right.</p>
<p>Fortunately for Toyota, Chrysler was bought by Daimler.&#8221;</p>
<p>From The Toyota Way: 14 Management Principles from the World’s Greatest Manufacturer<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: theflyersfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>theflyersfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn there are a lot of good posts with this thread.
These book have now aged a bit, but they get into great detail about the K-Car, Lido&#039;s &quot;revolution&quot; and then inability to see the writing on the wall, the Neon and LH cars - get your hands on &quot;The End of Detroit&quot; and the older &quot;Comeback: The Fall and Rise of Detroit.&quot;  &quot;Comeback&quot; has a very eye opening section on the Fiero and also how Lee wanted what seemed like a million designs of the becoming ancient K-Car platform.

For car buffs, these are excellent reads - one that you won&#039;t want to put down.

For VW fans, &quot;Getting the Bugs Out&quot; is another good one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Damn there are a lot of good posts with this thread.<br />
These book have now aged a bit, but they get into great detail about the K-Car, Lido&#8217;s &#8220;revolution&#8221; and then inability to see the writing on the wall, the Neon and LH cars &#8211; get your hands on &#8220;The End of Detroit&#8221; and the older &#8220;Comeback: The Fall and Rise of Detroit.&#8221;  &#8220;Comeback&#8221; has a very eye opening section on the Fiero and also how Lee wanted what seemed like a million designs of the becoming ancient K-Car platform.</p>
<p>For car buffs, these are excellent reads &#8211; one that you won&#8217;t want to put down.</p>
<p>For VW fans, &#8220;Getting the Bugs Out&#8221; is another good one.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: TriShield</title>
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		<dc:creator>TriShield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 05:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve read that there are still a few people at Chrysler today who also worked for AMC when it was swallowed up in 1987.  My first automotive love was actually AMC, not only because they were the underdog when they existed but also because their cars had a certain quirky, unique charm to them.  My first car when I was a teenager was a 1981 AMC Concord DL, then I got an Eagle wagon and a Grand Wagoneer.  

A big misconception is that the LX cars were based on Mercedes.  That&#039;s not true.  The LX program was underway prior to the big merger.  The LX&#039;s are 100% US engineered and if you&#039;ve driven one you&#039;d be hard pressed to mistake it for anything remotely German.  Chrysler did copy some of Mercedes&#039; suspension design and some electronics for the car but that&#039;s really about it.  They drive big and American, as they should</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I&#8217;ve read that there are still a few people at Chrysler today who also worked for AMC when it was swallowed up in 1987.  My first automotive love was actually AMC, not only because they were the underdog when they existed but also because their cars had a certain quirky, unique charm to them.  My first car when I was a teenager was a 1981 AMC Concord DL, then I got an Eagle wagon and a Grand Wagoneer.  </p>
<p>A big misconception is that the LX cars were based on Mercedes.  That&#8217;s not true.  The LX program was underway prior to the big merger.  The LX&#8217;s are 100% US engineered and if you&#8217;ve driven one you&#8217;d be hard pressed to mistake it for anything remotely German.  Chrysler did copy some of Mercedes&#8217; suspension design and some electronics for the car but that&#8217;s really about it.  They drive big and American, as they should<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: TriShield</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/the-under-reported-chrysler-product-strikeout/comment-page-1/#comment-917791</link>
		<dc:creator>TriShield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chrysler was basically destroyed by it&#039;s German overlords who later bailed.  It was a costly divorce for Daimler but for Chrysler and all of it&#039;s employees it&#039;s near certain death.  It didn&#039;t have to be that way.

Chrysler has had it&#039;s ups and downs over the years, but it wasn&#039;t so long ago that things were going pretty well.  A few years ago they had a product lineup that was fairly solid and could have been built upon with wise management, excellent redesigns, and good marketing.  

The second generation big-rig styled Ram was best in class, it debuted Chrysler&#039;s new HEMI engine resurrected a legendary brand name and making it the most powerful truck at the time.  They produced modern, distinctive and thoroughly American fullsize cars that people actually wanted to buy.  The Neon SRT4 lit the budget tuner world on fire like the Plymouth Road Runners, Dusters and Demons of Chrysler&#039;s hey day.  The Pacifica was a rich and expensive looking vehicle inside and out that made the crossover mainstream and featured Chrysler&#039;s best modern interior.  The previous generation Grand Cherokee and Wrangler were very good looking vehicles and true to the brand&#039;s off-road heritage.  Chrysler also founded SRT, which out of the Big Three American tuner knock-offs was the best.  Every vehicle SRT got their hands on they turned into a fire breather, even the lowly Neon and goofy German Crossfire.  They made the resurrectede four-door Charger thoroughly badass.  They made a Jeep that wasn&#039;t designed to go off-road but was so outrageously cool that people didn&#039;t care.  It made Ford&#039;s dying SVT look weak and GM&#039;s performance division (with no unifying brand name across GM&#039;s products) look silly.  When Mercedes was losing money for the merger years ago Chrysler was making it.  

It&#039;s amazing how just a few bad product ideas (Commander, Caliber, Patriot, Compass, Nitro) and horrific redesigns (Avenger, Sebring) and overproducing could take Chrysler from hero to zero in virtually one year.  They pretty much pissed everything they had going for them away.  

It is a real shame.  The minivans are alright, the new Ram looks fantastic inside and out, the Challenger has finally arrived and it&#039;s one of the best looking cars on the road, the Wrangler finally has four doors, the Viper has outlapped pretty much everything else on the &#039;Ring and their fullsize cars are still good years after they released.  But everything else they make now is highly undesirable and almost Chinese-like in their quality and embarrassing styling.  I can&#039;t believe it&#039;s come to this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Chrysler was basically destroyed by it&#8217;s German overlords who later bailed.  It was a costly divorce for Daimler but for Chrysler and all of it&#8217;s employees it&#8217;s near certain death.  It didn&#8217;t have to be that way.</p>
<p>Chrysler has had it&#8217;s ups and downs over the years, but it wasn&#8217;t so long ago that things were going pretty well.  A few years ago they had a product lineup that was fairly solid and could have been built upon with wise management, excellent redesigns, and good marketing.  </p>
<p>The second generation big-rig styled Ram was best in class, it debuted Chrysler&#8217;s new HEMI engine resurrected a legendary brand name and making it the most powerful truck at the time.  They produced modern, distinctive and thoroughly American fullsize cars that people actually wanted to buy.  The Neon SRT4 lit the budget tuner world on fire like the Plymouth Road Runners, Dusters and Demons of Chrysler&#8217;s hey day.  The Pacifica was a rich and expensive looking vehicle inside and out that made the crossover mainstream and featured Chrysler&#8217;s best modern interior.  The previous generation Grand Cherokee and Wrangler were very good looking vehicles and true to the brand&#8217;s off-road heritage.  Chrysler also founded SRT, which out of the Big Three American tuner knock-offs was the best.  Every vehicle SRT got their hands on they turned into a fire breather, even the lowly Neon and goofy German Crossfire.  They made the resurrectede four-door Charger thoroughly badass.  They made a Jeep that wasn&#8217;t designed to go off-road but was so outrageously cool that people didn&#8217;t care.  It made Ford&#8217;s dying SVT look weak and GM&#8217;s performance division (with no unifying brand name across GM&#8217;s products) look silly.  When Mercedes was losing money for the merger years ago Chrysler was making it.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing how just a few bad product ideas (Commander, Caliber, Patriot, Compass, Nitro) and horrific redesigns (Avenger, Sebring) and overproducing could take Chrysler from hero to zero in virtually one year.  They pretty much pissed everything they had going for them away.  </p>
<p>It is a real shame.  The minivans are alright, the new Ram looks fantastic inside and out, the Challenger has finally arrived and it&#8217;s one of the best looking cars on the road, the Wrangler finally has four doors, the Viper has outlapped pretty much everything else on the &#8216;Ring and their fullsize cars are still good years after they released.  But everything else they make now is highly undesirable and almost Chinese-like in their quality and embarrassing styling.  I can&#8217;t believe it&#8217;s come to this.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: CommanderFish</title>
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		<dc:creator>CommanderFish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;ve had some very good cars, even recently, but almost every one has had its fatal flaw.  

The 1993 LH sedans (Intrepid/Concorde/LHS) were very well received upon their introduction, but issues with the 2.7L V6 sludging and the severe cost cutting that led to issues made sure that even after the refresh this car could never keep momentum

The first (1994) Neon was a slap in the face to the compact world.  It competed with the class staple, the Civic, on almost every level.  Once again, severe cost cutting and this time an issue with the head gasket on the 2.0L I4 made sure this car also couldn&#039;t keep momentum.  The second Neon in 2000 was a better quality car, but the driving dynamics of the Neon (the part that made the first one great) were just gone.  I think we got a picture of what could have been with the Neon SRT-4, but the damage was already done by that point.  

The &quot;Cloud Cars&quot; (1995 Stratus/Cirrus/Breeze) were also well received (MT COTY 1995, C&amp;D 10 Best 96/97), but they suffered the same cost cutting as Chrysler&#039;s other cars of the time.  This time around they let the car die on the vine.  As the new Altima, Camry, and Accord came out, Chrysler literally did NOTHING with the car to keep it relevant.  The Stratus/Sebring refresh in 2001 was way too litte, way too late.  

The 1994 Ram and 1996 minivans are also good examples.</description>
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<p>The 1993 LH sedans (Intrepid/Concorde/LHS) were very well received upon their introduction, but issues with the 2.7L V6 sludging and the severe cost cutting that led to issues made sure that even after the refresh this car could never keep momentum</p>
<p>The first (1994) Neon was a slap in the face to the compact world.  It competed with the class staple, the Civic, on almost every level.  Once again, severe cost cutting and this time an issue with the head gasket on the 2.0L I4 made sure this car also couldn&#8217;t keep momentum.  The second Neon in 2000 was a better quality car, but the driving dynamics of the Neon (the part that made the first one great) were just gone.  I think we got a picture of what could have been with the Neon SRT-4, but the damage was already done by that point.  </p>
<p>The &#8220;Cloud Cars&#8221; (1995 Stratus/Cirrus/Breeze) were also well received (MT COTY 1995, C&amp;D 10 Best 96/97), but they suffered the same cost cutting as Chrysler&#8217;s other cars of the time.  This time around they let the car die on the vine.  As the new Altima, Camry, and Accord came out, Chrysler literally did NOTHING with the car to keep it relevant.  The Stratus/Sebring refresh in 2001 was way too litte, way too late.  </p>
<p>The 1994 Ram and 1996 minivans are also good examples.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: ZCline</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZCline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Give me an honest opinion. Have there ever been any good Chrysler cars? I mean best in class or almost&lt;/em&gt;

The neon-based SRT4.  This was an honest car that set out to be a fast, decent-handling compact car.  It succeeded, being faster than the Mazdaspeed Protege and Cobalt SS in a straight line.  Its unfortunate that the new SRT4 doesn&#039;t seem to be any better.</description>
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<p>The neon-based SRT4.  This was an honest car that set out to be a fast, decent-handling compact car.  It succeeded, being faster than the Mazdaspeed Protege and Cobalt SS in a straight line.  Its unfortunate that the new SRT4 doesn&#8217;t seem to be any better.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: MattPete</title>
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		<dc:creator>MattPete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chrysler cancelled the Pacifica and the Crossfire (plus one other that I thought was pretty good).  They either replaced them with...nothing, or a vehicle so non-descript and poorly advertised that we didn&#039;t know it existed until we stumbled across it on the web (Aspen/Journey).

My wife and I were particularly intrigued by the Pacifica, because it was a cross between a minivan, wagon, and sports car -- an un-SUV.  Heck, we even considered a Dodge Caravan, but all they are selling these days are *Grand* Caravans, and the reskin in butt-ugly. Oh, well, we went with a Mazda 5 instead.

Way to misjudge the marketplace, guys.  Their lineup is crap these days.  What&#039;s so shocking is that 2 years ago I thought they had the best lineup of the Big 3.</description>
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<p>My wife and I were particularly intrigued by the Pacifica, because it was a cross between a minivan, wagon, and sports car &#8212; an un-SUV.  Heck, we even considered a Dodge Caravan, but all they are selling these days are *Grand* Caravans, and the reskin in butt-ugly. Oh, well, we went with a Mazda 5 instead.</p>
<p>Way to misjudge the marketplace, guys.  Their lineup is crap these days.  What&#8217;s so shocking is that 2 years ago I thought they had the best lineup of the Big 3.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: psarhjinian</title>
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		<dc:creator>psarhjinian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 03:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Daimler gave Chrysler the LX cars (very Benz intensive),&lt;/em&gt;

Not entirely true.  Mercedes gave Chrysler some suspension bits and the five-speed transmission from the prior-gen E-Class: or, in other words, sloppy seconds.  Everything else was Chrysler.  

This rumour has been going on a long time.  The LX cars were mostly done by the time of the merger, save for the rear suspension, which Chrysler was having some trouble with because they had little rear-drive experience outside of trucks.

&lt;em&gt;the Dodge Sprinter, &lt;/em&gt;

Not a bad car, but not exactly an engineering wunderkind, either.  Basically, they slapped a Dodge grille on a preexisting product.

A product, I might add, that hasn&#039;t managed to make significant gains against the ancient Ford E-Series.

&lt;em&gt;the Crossfire, &lt;/em&gt;

Or, as it was also known, a decontented, first-generation SLK with better styling amortized over a longer period.  

This was a loser when it hit the market.  It rotted on Chrysler&#039;s lots and did nothing other than allow Mercedes to better it&#039;s balance sheet with regards to the losing investment that was the SLK.  

The best part of the SLK was Chrysler&#039;s styling.  Everything Mercedes about this car is a waste.

&lt;em&gt;5-speed transmissions,&lt;/em&gt;

Which they would have gotten anyway, eventually.  It&#039;s not like Aisin or Getrag won&#039;t sell you one, if you ask them.  

&lt;em&gt;engineering resources, &lt;/em&gt;

Pah!  This is perhaps the greatest of the Merger Of Equal Lies.  

Mercedes forced a ill-concieved software-and-process change down Chrysler&#039;s throat at a time when they were in mid-design of several vehicles, resulting in Chrysler having to go back to the drawing board on the Sebring/Stratus and Neon/PT replacements.  This torpedoed the small-car partnership with Mitsubishi and effectively put Chrysler five to seven years behind in development of it&#039;s bread and butter vehicles.

Did you ever wonder how the five-year-old PT Cruiser could have been better than the Caliber, or how the Sebring could be so patently awful?  That was Mercedes&#039; doing.

&lt;em&gt;and cash.&lt;/em&gt;

How?  In reverse?  Chrysler had the healthiest stockpile of cash of the North American marques going into the merger.  Mercedes effectively smashed the cookie jar to pay for their model expansion.
&lt;em&gt;
 And they lost their ass selling the company&lt;/em&gt;

I think it&#039;s more accurate to say that they wrecked Chrysler and couldn&#039;t admit it was their own fault for a) doing so or b) not getting out quickly enough.  Schrempp did the worst of it, and Zetsche was lucky to find a patsy in Cerberus to take it off his hands.  

I have no pity for GM: where they are is purely their own doing, but Chrysler&#039;s current state is about 80% Mercedes&#039; fault.  I have no idea how Mercedes&#039; management hasn&#039;t found itself at the business end of lawsuits and/or public-relations campaigns.  What they did to Chrysler bordered on criminal, and Cerberus&#039; attempted parting out of the corpse pales in comparison.

Let&#039;s not forget that it was Mercedes&#039; management that brought forth the Compass, Patriot, Caliber, Sebring and Avenger.  Or that it was Mercedes who killed the ME Four Twelve because it would have made the AMG CLK and SL look bad, or that Mercedes benefited greatly from Chrysler&#039;s (!!!!) QA and design work, turning the ML from Recall Queen of All Time to a reasonably decent performer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>Daimler gave Chrysler the LX cars (very Benz intensive),</em></p>
<p>Not entirely true.  Mercedes gave Chrysler some suspension bits and the five-speed transmission from the prior-gen E-Class: or, in other words, sloppy seconds.  Everything else was Chrysler.  </p>
<p>This rumour has been going on a long time.  The LX cars were mostly done by the time of the merger, save for the rear suspension, which Chrysler was having some trouble with because they had little rear-drive experience outside of trucks.</p>
<p><em>the Dodge Sprinter, </em></p>
<p>Not a bad car, but not exactly an engineering wunderkind, either.  Basically, they slapped a Dodge grille on a preexisting product.</p>
<p>A product, I might add, that hasn&#8217;t managed to make significant gains against the ancient Ford E-Series.</p>
<p><em>the Crossfire, </em></p>
<p>Or, as it was also known, a decontented, first-generation SLK with better styling amortized over a longer period.  </p>
<p>This was a loser when it hit the market.  It rotted on Chrysler&#8217;s lots and did nothing other than allow Mercedes to better it&#8217;s balance sheet with regards to the losing investment that was the SLK.  </p>
<p>The best part of the SLK was Chrysler&#8217;s styling.  Everything Mercedes about this car is a waste.</p>
<p><em>5-speed transmissions,</em></p>
<p>Which they would have gotten anyway, eventually.  It&#8217;s not like Aisin or Getrag won&#8217;t sell you one, if you ask them.  </p>
<p><em>engineering resources, </em></p>
<p>Pah!  This is perhaps the greatest of the Merger Of Equal Lies.  </p>
<p>Mercedes forced a ill-concieved software-and-process change down Chrysler&#8217;s throat at a time when they were in mid-design of several vehicles, resulting in Chrysler having to go back to the drawing board on the Sebring/Stratus and Neon/PT replacements.  This torpedoed the small-car partnership with Mitsubishi and effectively put Chrysler five to seven years behind in development of it&#8217;s bread and butter vehicles.</p>
<p>Did you ever wonder how the five-year-old PT Cruiser could have been better than the Caliber, or how the Sebring could be so patently awful?  That was Mercedes&#8217; doing.</p>
<p><em>and cash.</em></p>
<p>How?  In reverse?  Chrysler had the healthiest stockpile of cash of the North American marques going into the merger.  Mercedes effectively smashed the cookie jar to pay for their model expansion.<br />
<em><br />
 And they lost their ass selling the company</em></p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s more accurate to say that they wrecked Chrysler and couldn&#8217;t admit it was their own fault for a) doing so or b) not getting out quickly enough.  Schrempp did the worst of it, and Zetsche was lucky to find a patsy in Cerberus to take it off his hands.  </p>
<p>I have no pity for GM: where they are is purely their own doing, but Chrysler&#8217;s current state is about 80% Mercedes&#8217; fault.  I have no idea how Mercedes&#8217; management hasn&#8217;t found itself at the business end of lawsuits and/or public-relations campaigns.  What they did to Chrysler bordered on criminal, and Cerberus&#8217; attempted parting out of the corpse pales in comparison.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not forget that it was Mercedes&#8217; management that brought forth the Compass, Patriot, Caliber, Sebring and Avenger.  Or that it was Mercedes who killed the ME Four Twelve because it would have made the AMG CLK and SL look bad, or that Mercedes benefited greatly from Chrysler&#8217;s (!!!!) QA and design work, turning the ML from Recall Queen of All Time to a reasonably decent performer.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: ttilley</title>
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		<dc:creator>ttilley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 03:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a rental, not as something I&#039;d purchase (I want a car, not a truck, but need AWD due to Sierra snow), I&#039;ve previously mentioned being OK with the Caliber as a compact vehicle.

I&#039;ve also driven the Magnum and Nitro as rentals, the Nitro w/ 4WD, and been less than pleased.

I&#039;ve ridden in a Hemi 300c and thought it was a nice car.

I thought the Nitro handled like a giant barge-mobile, and was appalled to find how unsteady this 4WD vehicle was when ice began to form underneath overpasses. Later, I was shocked when I parked my Subie next to one and found the &quot;barge-mobile&quot; wasn&#039;t much bigger.

The Magnum was an involuntary &quot;upgrade&quot;, and it just pulled gas station dollars from my wallet offering nothing in return.

In the past I&#039;ve also had rental companies inflict the Neon on me. What an execrable piece of crap. I guess that one pre-dates Daimler.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->As a rental, not as something I&#8217;d purchase (I want a car, not a truck, but need AWD due to Sierra snow), I&#8217;ve previously mentioned being OK with the Caliber as a compact vehicle.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also driven the Magnum and Nitro as rentals, the Nitro w/ 4WD, and been less than pleased.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve ridden in a Hemi 300c and thought it was a nice car.</p>
<p>I thought the Nitro handled like a giant barge-mobile, and was appalled to find how unsteady this 4WD vehicle was when ice began to form underneath overpasses. Later, I was shocked when I parked my Subie next to one and found the &#8220;barge-mobile&#8221; wasn&#8217;t much bigger.</p>
<p>The Magnum was an involuntary &#8220;upgrade&#8221;, and it just pulled gas station dollars from my wallet offering nothing in return.</p>
<p>In the past I&#8217;ve also had rental companies inflict the Neon on me. What an execrable piece of crap. I guess that one pre-dates Daimler.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: br549</title>
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		<dc:creator>br549</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 02:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was born into a Chrysler family, worked for Chrysler, and have driven their products almost exclusively for 25 years. Got my first new one (a rather anemic 2.5 LeBaron) in &#039;89 and have had very good luck ever since. Never had a tranny blow, nor any drivetrain issues for that matter. But, I realize that in our current competitive marketplace, the lineup blows. In my opinion, though, if you want to see the true crap produced by Chrysler these days, look behind those big desks in Auburn Hills. I long for a leader like Lee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I was born into a Chrysler family, worked for Chrysler, and have driven their products almost exclusively for 25 years. Got my first new one (a rather anemic 2.5 LeBaron) in &#8216;89 and have had very good luck ever since. Never had a tranny blow, nor any drivetrain issues for that matter. But, I realize that in our current competitive marketplace, the lineup blows. In my opinion, though, if you want to see the true crap produced by Chrysler these days, look behind those big desks in Auburn Hills. I long for a leader like Lee.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: autonut</title>
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		<dc:creator>autonut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 02:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ charleywhiskey 
Iaccoca was the one who saved Chrysler from bankruptcy in 80&#039;s. Yes he was disappointed with Eaton mishandling of the company, although he admitted that it was him who made a mistake and brought Eaton from GM to Chrysler. During early 80&#039;s Iaccoca payed himself $1/year until company re-payed government obligations. It was done in 5 years ahead of schedule and on 1.5 billion investment Uncle Sam made $400 mils profit. 
Say what you want, but in my book Lee Iaccoca is on par with Alfred Sloan as far as management expertise. And ahead of every executive who ever lived in terms of integrity. They don&#039;t make them like that any longer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->@ charleywhiskey<br />
Iaccoca was the one who saved Chrysler from bankruptcy in 80&#8217;s. Yes he was disappointed with Eaton mishandling of the company, although he admitted that it was him who made a mistake and brought Eaton from GM to Chrysler. During early 80&#8217;s Iaccoca payed himself $1/year until company re-payed government obligations. It was done in 5 years ahead of schedule and on 1.5 billion investment Uncle Sam made $400 mils profit.<br />
Say what you want, but in my book Lee Iaccoca is on par with Alfred Sloan as far as management expertise. And ahead of every executive who ever lived in terms of integrity. They don&#8217;t make them like that any longer.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Samir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always thought this was under-reported because it was so patently obvious to everyone.</description>
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		<title>By: highrpm</title>
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		<dc:creator>highrpm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the minivans.  As used cars, they are awesome bargains.  

I thought that a front wheel drive Patriot with a manual trans might be okay also, as a used car bargain.  

If I were buying new, though, it would be the Hondas every time.  

I think that&#039;s Chrysler&#039;s problem exactly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I like the minivans.  As used cars, they are awesome bargains.  </p>
<p>I thought that a front wheel drive Patriot with a manual trans might be okay also, as a used car bargain.  </p>
<p>If I were buying new, though, it would be the Hondas every time.  </p>
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		<title>By: davey49</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The LH cars were nicer than the LX ones. There was too much change for change sake in that case. They should have kept the Intrepid and introduced the 300/Charger as upper level sedans.
The new Sebring is nicer than the old one.
Unlike most of this site, I don&#039;t think that &quot;product&quot; has caused Chrysler&#039;s demise.
The best Chryslers are unreliable and have been unreliable for decades. If you ask a former Chrysler owner they don&#039;t go, &quot;It ran OK but I didn&#039;t like touching the dashboard&quot;, they go &quot;the POS needed brakes at 10k, a tranny at 30K and blew the motor at 50K! I&#039;m never buying a Chrysler again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->The LH cars were nicer than the LX ones. There was too much change for change sake in that case. They should have kept the Intrepid and introduced the 300/Charger as upper level sedans.<br />
The new Sebring is nicer than the old one.<br />
Unlike most of this site, I don&#8217;t think that &#8220;product&#8221; has caused Chrysler&#8217;s demise.<br />
The best Chryslers are unreliable and have been unreliable for decades. If you ask a former Chrysler owner they don&#8217;t go, &#8220;It ran OK but I didn&#8217;t like touching the dashboard&#8221;, they go &#8220;the POS needed brakes at 10k, a tranny at 30K and blew the motor at 50K! I&#8217;m never buying a Chrysler again!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: no_slushbox</title>
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		<dc:creator>no_slushbox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;bryanska&lt;/em&gt;: 

Sadly your experience is not an endorsement for Chrysler, the coupe was a rebodied Mitsubishi Eclipse (the sedan was completely different, but also pretty decent, with a theoretically better double wishbone front suspension.).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>bryanska</em>: </p>
<p>Sadly your experience is not an endorsement for Chrysler, the coupe was a rebodied Mitsubishi Eclipse (the sedan was completely different, but also pretty decent, with a theoretically better double wishbone front suspension.).<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: charleywhiskey</title>
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		<dc:creator>charleywhiskey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we are apportioning blame, Iaccoca and Kerkorian certainly must be in the picture. It was they, who through their threat of a proxy fight for control of the company because the price of Chrysler stock was stuck at $50 and they figured it should be worth another $15 induced Bobby Eaton to flee into the arms of the German behemoth.  Though Chrysler still had a weak balance sheet at this point, the car model lineup was generally thought to be pretty good.  The vans, the LHs, the Neons, the Sebring convertible and the Grand Cherokees were getting good reviews and selling very well. The new front engine rear wheel drive coupe/sedan was already on the drawing boards and would probably have been built even if MB had not come into the picture.  What Daimler seems to have done to the model lineup, as their first order of business, was hit everything in sight with the ugly stick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->If we are apportioning blame, Iaccoca and Kerkorian certainly must be in the picture. It was they, who through their threat of a proxy fight for control of the company because the price of Chrysler stock was stuck at $50 and they figured it should be worth another $15 induced Bobby Eaton to flee into the arms of the German behemoth.  Though Chrysler still had a weak balance sheet at this point, the car model lineup was generally thought to be pretty good.  The vans, the LHs, the Neons, the Sebring convertible and the Grand Cherokees were getting good reviews and selling very well. The new front engine rear wheel drive coupe/sedan was already on the drawing boards and would probably have been built even if MB had not come into the picture.  What Daimler seems to have done to the model lineup, as their first order of business, was hit everything in sight with the ugly stick.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: bryanska</title>
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		<dc:creator>bryanska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Owned a 1996 Dodge Avenger - very innovative, comfortable sporty midsize coupe.

Recently rented a 2008 Sebring for a 10-hour trip: AWFUL, HORRIBLE... I actually became nauseous in that car because of the Grey plastic everywhere. I can&#039;t look at that car now because it really, genuinely turns my stomach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Owned a 1996 Dodge Avenger &#8211; very innovative, comfortable sporty midsize coupe.</p>
<p>Recently rented a 2008 Sebring for a 10-hour trip: AWFUL, HORRIBLE&#8230; I actually became nauseous in that car because of the Grey plastic everywhere. I can&#8217;t look at that car now because it really, genuinely turns my stomach.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: JK43123</title>
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		<dc:creator>JK43123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;In the fall of 2006 I test drove a then-brand-new Chrysler Sebring....I planned a 10 minute test drive in the Sebring. I drove the car less than a mile, turned around and turned it back in to the dealer. I was afraid that driving such a big pile of suck, I would be swallowed by a black hole. The next day I sold my Chrysler stock. &lt;/em&gt;

My wife and I rented same car a while back.  My wife, who pays little attention to cars, got in, looked around and said &quot;who makes this crap?&quot;  Nuff said.

Oh, and with about 3000 miles on it, the washer reservoir leaked, the turn signal stuck, and the front end rattled.  Mmm-mmm, quality product.

John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>In the fall of 2006 I test drove a then-brand-new Chrysler Sebring&#8230;.I planned a 10 minute test drive in the Sebring. I drove the car less than a mile, turned around and turned it back in to the dealer. I was afraid that driving such a big pile of suck, I would be swallowed by a black hole. The next day I sold my Chrysler stock. </em></p>
<p>My wife and I rented same car a while back.  My wife, who pays little attention to cars, got in, looked around and said &#8220;who makes this crap?&#8221;  Nuff said.</p>
<p>Oh, and with about 3000 miles on it, the washer reservoir leaked, the turn signal stuck, and the front end rattled.  Mmm-mmm, quality product.</p>
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		<title>By: John Horner</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Horner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want some real heartache, watch this old interview with Dr. Z about the &quot;great products&quot;.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09lTp0cOWa4&amp;feature=related

Or this advertisement: &quot;Dr. Z -- what are the benefits of the merger between Daimler and Chrysler?&quot;  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GwZbRs57Yw&amp;feature=related

Then there is this, Dr. Z finding his real calling as a bartender in January 2007! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cPTRgLlIyo&amp;NR=1

npbheights:  I agree with you, the infusing of AMC talent into Chrysler made a huge difference for the good. It is similar to the way in which VW&#039;s acquisition of financially struggling Auto Union (Audi, etc.) gave them the know how to build modern front wheel drive, water cooled vehicles which was absolutely essential for VW&#039;s progress. VW had ridden the rear engine, air cooled technology horse at least five years after it should have been put out to pasture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->If you want some real heartache, watch this old interview with Dr. Z about the &#8220;great products&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09lTp0cOWa4&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09lTp0cOWa4&amp;feature=related</a></p>
<p>Or this advertisement: &#8220;Dr. Z &#8212; what are the benefits of the merger between Daimler and Chrysler?&#8221;  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GwZbRs57Yw&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GwZbRs57Yw&amp;feature=related</a></p>
<p>Then there is this, Dr. Z finding his real calling as a bartender in January 2007! <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cPTRgLlIyo&amp;NR=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cPTRgLlIyo&amp;NR=1</a></p>
<p>npbheights:  I agree with you, the infusing of AMC talent into Chrysler made a huge difference for the good. It is similar to the way in which VW&#8217;s acquisition of financially struggling Auto Union (Audi, etc.) gave them the know how to build modern front wheel drive, water cooled vehicles which was absolutely essential for VW&#8217;s progress. VW had ridden the rear engine, air cooled technology horse at least five years after it should have been put out to pasture.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;no_slushbox&lt;/em&gt;

yeah, i saw that 300 wagon in a magazine, in SRT8 trim no less, and i have to say, while i&#039;m no Chrysler fan, i thought that car looked great</description>
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