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	<title>Comments on: The Truth About Filling Your Tires with Nitrogen</title>
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		<title>By: jrphilli</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/the-truth-about-filling-your-tires-with-nitrogen/comment-page-2/#comment-605132</link>
		<dc:creator>jrphilli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The nitrogen molecule is smaller, not larger than oxygen molecule. There does not seem to be any basis
for nitrogen to differ greatly in leakage. The relative chemical inertness of nitrogen is favorable.</description>
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		<title>By: fallout11</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/the-truth-about-filling-your-tires-with-nitrogen/comment-page-2/#comment-84545</link>
		<dc:creator>fallout11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 20:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Second, nitrogen’s larger molecules are less likely to seep through rubber.&quot;

Uh, no. Not really. 
Nitrogen&#039;s covalent radius (1/2 the distance between identically covalent bonding nuclei) is roughly 75pm (picometers, 1 pm= 1x 10-12 m). 
Nitrogen&#039;s covalent radius is 75pm, so the length of a nitrogen molecule (N2) is 4 X 75pm or 300 pm. 
A molecule of Oxygen (O2) is just a shade smaller, 4 X 73pm or 292pm. 
So an oxygen molecule is little less than 3% smaller than a nitrogen molecule, not enough to matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->&#8220;Second, nitrogen’s larger molecules are less likely to seep through rubber.&#8221;</p>
<p>Uh, no. Not really.<br />
Nitrogen&#8217;s covalent radius (1/2 the distance between identically covalent bonding nuclei) is roughly 75pm (picometers, 1 pm= 1x 10-12 m).<br />
Nitrogen&#8217;s covalent radius is 75pm, so the length of a nitrogen molecule (N2) is 4 X 75pm or 300 pm.<br />
A molecule of Oxygen (O2) is just a shade smaller, 4 X 73pm or 292pm.<br />
So an oxygen molecule is little less than 3% smaller than a nitrogen molecule, not enough to matter.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: shaker</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/the-truth-about-filling-your-tires-with-nitrogen/comment-page-2/#comment-84188</link>
		<dc:creator>shaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 12:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan:
Why not Goodyear? Their blimps have been using He successfully for years!  ;-)</description>
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Why not Goodyear? Their blimps have been using He successfully for years!  ;-)<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Knuckles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Knuckles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 17:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>shaker:
Sound like a plan, but we had better higher a good marketing firm</description>
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		<title>By: Stephan Wilkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephan Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 17:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless you live in a studio apartment, buying a toy compressor is a waste of time.  Get a standard compressor from Sears or Campbell-Hausfelt (maybe they&#039;re the same thing) and you&#039;ll quickly find out how many other uses you find for it.</description>
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		<title>By: ash78</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/the-truth-about-filling-your-tires-with-nitrogen/comment-page-2/#comment-83691</link>
		<dc:creator>ash78</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 16:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;ZoomZoom&lt;/em&gt;
I mostly use the small compressor to &quot;top off&quot; when the tires are low, but going from 30 to 35psi takes about 90 seconds. It&#039;s a little quicker at the low end, so I&#039;d guess 0-40psi would take about 7-8 minutes.

But I&#039;m usually in the garage and just cut it on, go check the oil, top off fluids, etc while I&#039;m waiting. Not the quickest method to fill, but it&#039;s also nice peace of mind when traveling. Most modern tire leaks are slow (not blowouts), so if I&#039;ve got a slow leak far from home, I can just overfill slightly and get back on the road until I can get a patch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>ZoomZoom</em><br />
I mostly use the small compressor to &#8220;top off&#8221; when the tires are low, but going from 30 to 35psi takes about 90 seconds. It&#8217;s a little quicker at the low end, so I&#8217;d guess 0-40psi would take about 7-8 minutes.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m usually in the garage and just cut it on, go check the oil, top off fluids, etc while I&#8217;m waiting. Not the quickest method to fill, but it&#8217;s also nice peace of mind when traveling. Most modern tire leaks are slow (not blowouts), so if I&#8217;ve got a slow leak far from home, I can just overfill slightly and get back on the road until I can get a patch.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: shaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>shaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 12:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to start a franchise that will inflate car/truck tires with helium; the benefits are obvious, reduced unsprung weight, better &quot;gas&quot; mileage, lower tire temperature, and since helium is inert, less dry rot on the inside of the tire!
I will also offer superior lubricants based on the extracts of anaconda skins. (Who&#039;s with me?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I&#8217;m going to start a franchise that will inflate car/truck tires with helium; the benefits are obvious, reduced unsprung weight, better &#8220;gas&#8221; mileage, lower tire temperature, and since helium is inert, less dry rot on the inside of the tire!<br />
I will also offer superior lubricants based on the extracts of anaconda skins. (Who&#8217;s with me?)<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: jurisb</title>
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		<dc:creator>jurisb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 10:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>some of you mentioned the ill fated firestone case with ford exploders, and not the low pressure  or wear and tear caused those disasters. it was caused by a simple thing- STINGINESS/GREED. while japanese counterparts of the above mentioned company made firestone tires with solid steel side-cords, american company desided to save a buck for a six-pack and make hollow cords, thus reducing their strength.thus resulted in a mass tire explosions/
Is this hereditary? 
yes for the whole american industry, for decades most of the american companies have tried to invest as little as possible squeezing out as much as possible( see, ohv, leaf springs, trucks, trains, bikes,etc). although their r&amp;d investmnets rank high, the real tangible outcome from them is questionnable ( for exaple, 6 billion mondeo programm, or boston bridge-tunnel 6 km lenghth of costing over 12bn, etc). And you might say i am talking bullshit here, but let`s see who will own united states in 40 years! avoiding meaningful industries for sake of easy fast profits, has made us a debt-handcuffed country. Simply as americans needs things to buy, but american companies don`t offer it, except dot coms, you have to import it. no money? that`s what chinese and japanese bankas are for! will you sell Alaska then ? 
ok, don`t inflate your tires with nitrogen, or whatever!( just to stay on topic) :))))</description>
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Is this hereditary?<br />
yes for the whole american industry, for decades most of the american companies have tried to invest as little as possible squeezing out as much as possible( see, ohv, leaf springs, trucks, trains, bikes,etc). although their r&amp;d investmnets rank high, the real tangible outcome from them is questionnable ( for exaple, 6 billion mondeo programm, or boston bridge-tunnel 6 km lenghth of costing over 12bn, etc). And you might say i am talking bullshit here, but let`s see who will own united states in 40 years! avoiding meaningful industries for sake of easy fast profits, has made us a debt-handcuffed country. Simply as americans needs things to buy, but american companies don`t offer it, except dot coms, you have to import it. no money? that`s what chinese and japanese bankas are for! will you sell Alaska then ?<br />
ok, don`t inflate your tires with nitrogen, or whatever!( just to stay on topic) :))))<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: stuntnun</title>
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		<dc:creator>stuntnun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 08:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>  the part about the wider tire causing more friction with the ground i dont think is true so much in a cars case, i think the weight of the vehicle is just transfered over a wider area. i think its more to do with the efficient transfer of work from the motor to the ground.  all the sponginess and twist in the tire cant be good for that. i know at the track 5 second quarter mile cars have under inflated wheels but thats so they dont explode when they get hot and theres more surface contact with the pavement. also i think skinnier tires would get hotter than wide tires because theres less surface area on the skinny tire to transfer heat away from it and it would also not grab as well. as for the nitrogen in a tire,i think its like telling you gatorade is better than water,maybe if your a professional athlete but for the average vehicle no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->the part about the wider tire causing more friction with the ground i dont think is true so much in a cars case, i think the weight of the vehicle is just transfered over a wider area. i think its more to do with the efficient transfer of work from the motor to the ground.  all the sponginess and twist in the tire cant be good for that. i know at the track 5 second quarter mile cars have under inflated wheels but thats so they dont explode when they get hot and theres more surface contact with the pavement. also i think skinnier tires would get hotter than wide tires because theres less surface area on the skinny tire to transfer heat away from it and it would also not grab as well. as for the nitrogen in a tire,i think its like telling you gatorade is better than water,maybe if your a professional athlete but for the average vehicle no.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Facebook User</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 23:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can get a cheap little compressor that is good for filling tires (in a reasonable time) for under $50.  My wife&#039;s brother gave her a little 12V compressor that wasn&#039;t worth a darn.  It just couldn&#039;t properly inflate the tires on her car.  The other thing to consider is for $50 you can get a small compressor that will not only fill the car tires but can put out up to 80 psi so you can use it to quickly and easily fill bike tires as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->You can get a cheap little compressor that is good for filling tires (in a reasonable time) for under $50.  My wife&#8217;s brother gave her a little 12V compressor that wasn&#8217;t worth a darn.  It just couldn&#8217;t properly inflate the tires on her car.  The other thing to consider is for $50 you can get a small compressor that will not only fill the car tires but can put out up to 80 psi so you can use it to quickly and easily fill bike tires as well.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: tankd0g</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To actually fill a tire with pure, dry nitrogen, one would have to first create a vacuum inside the tire.  To my knowledge, no shop does this, mainly because it&#039;s impossible to do with a tubeless tire.  So you still have &quot;air&quot; in your tires, with a higher percentage of Nitrogen than the outside air, but it&#039;s still not pure.  I have access to free nitrogen where I work and I have tried it in my track tires, and it does make a difference in how much my tire pressure increases due to heat, but not enough to be useful.  For example, I get about a 5 psi rear tire increase after the tires are heated up on track, which means I have to either compensate for that initially or bring it in and deflate them by that much.  I recorded a 2 psi difference with nitrogen. I still had to make adjustments.  So what&#039;s the point if I still have to adjust for a known constant either way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->To actually fill a tire with pure, dry nitrogen, one would have to first create a vacuum inside the tire.  To my knowledge, no shop does this, mainly because it&#8217;s impossible to do with a tubeless tire.  So you still have &#8220;air&#8221; in your tires, with a higher percentage of Nitrogen than the outside air, but it&#8217;s still not pure.  I have access to free nitrogen where I work and I have tried it in my track tires, and it does make a difference in how much my tire pressure increases due to heat, but not enough to be useful.  For example, I get about a 5 psi rear tire increase after the tires are heated up on track, which means I have to either compensate for that initially or bring it in and deflate them by that much.  I recorded a 2 psi difference with nitrogen. I still had to make adjustments.  So what&#8217;s the point if I still have to adjust for a known constant either way.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: dhanson865</title>
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		<dc:creator>dhanson865</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ZoomZoom a review I googled said

&lt;i&gt;&quot;I left it running on one of my small truck tires for 20 minutes, and it wouldn&#039;t pump any more than 33 pounds of air&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Someone else said it would do 5 psi in a short period.

I guess it&#039;s best used for emergency/light use and hit a proper compressor for high PSI use.</description>
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<p><i>&#8220;I left it running on one of my small truck tires for 20 minutes, and it wouldn&#8217;t pump any more than 33 pounds of air&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Someone else said it would do 5 psi in a short period.</p>
<p>I guess it&#8217;s best used for emergency/light use and hit a proper compressor for high PSI use.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: rpn453</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;ghillie : 
October 31st, 2007 at 12:30 am 

But would increased pressure significantly reduce deformation of the tread? That doesn’t seem likely to me. However, I can easily understand that increased pressure reduces side wall deflection.&lt;/i&gt;

Higher pressure will cause the tire to stay rounder.  The rounder it is, the less it&#039;s deforming.  Any change in shape due to load on the tire will involve deformation of both the sidewall and tread, but the tread contains most of the mass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><i>ghillie :<br />
October 31st, 2007 at 12:30 am </p>
<p>But would increased pressure significantly reduce deformation of the tread? That doesn’t seem likely to me. However, I can easily understand that increased pressure reduces side wall deflection.</i></p>
<p>Higher pressure will cause the tire to stay rounder.  The rounder it is, the less it&#8217;s deforming.  Any change in shape due to load on the tire will involve deformation of both the sidewall and tread, but the tread contains most of the mass.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: dhanson865</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fwiw, some gas stations along interstates have free air. Though it does seem to be a rarity. I&#039;m just going by memory but it seems to me most gas stations don&#039;t have a working air pump. Seems like the pay ones are out of order/vandalized more often than the free ones.

For me there is a free air pump at the Pilot Fuel Center off of I-40/Lovell RD that is very convenient from my house but when I move I might just follow ash78&#039;s lead and buy a 12v air compressor. Since I have more than one vehicle it&#039;d be nice to be able to deal with all the tires in one pass instead of doing them in batches.

I suppose a cold winter day after the frost is on the ground would give you drier air if you are going to compress it yourself, though humid air is better than a noticeably under inflated tire...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->fwiw, some gas stations along interstates have free air. Though it does seem to be a rarity. I&#8217;m just going by memory but it seems to me most gas stations don&#8217;t have a working air pump. Seems like the pay ones are out of order/vandalized more often than the free ones.</p>
<p>For me there is a free air pump at the Pilot Fuel Center off of I-40/Lovell RD that is very convenient from my house but when I move I might just follow ash78&#8217;s lead and buy a 12v air compressor. Since I have more than one vehicle it&#8217;d be nice to be able to deal with all the tires in one pass instead of doing them in batches.</p>
<p>I suppose a cold winter day after the frost is on the ground would give you drier air if you are going to compress it yourself, though humid air is better than a noticeably under inflated tire&#8230;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: ZoomZoom</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZoomZoom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ash, how long does that compressor take to fill a tire to 40 PSI or so?

I&#039;m interested, because I don&#039;t want to clutter up the garage with a big compressor, yet am concerned that a 12 V DC one would be too slow to be practical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Ash, how long does that compressor take to fill a tire to 40 PSI or so?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m interested, because I don&#8217;t want to clutter up the garage with a big compressor, yet am concerned that a 12 V DC one would be too slow to be practical.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: ash78</title>
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		<dc:creator>ash78</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Landcrusher:

See my comment above about a $9 Campbell-Hausfield air compressor from Walmart. It stays in my trunk and has a 10&#039; power lead to the 12v outlet in my trunk or console. About 9&quot; x 3&quot; x 6&quot; when packed.</description>
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<p>See my comment above about a $9 Campbell-Hausfield air compressor from Walmart. It stays in my trunk and has a 10&#8242; power lead to the 12v outlet in my trunk or console. About 9&#8243; x 3&#8243; x 6&#8243; when packed.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: shaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>shaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Article!

Following Landcrusher&#039;s comments; I think that the Federal EPA should mandate (and provide funding) for user-friendly (large, accurate PSI guages), free tire inflation at all gas stations, and TV commercials to promote their use. The &quot;bang-for-buck&quot; factor should be pretty high, as increased awareness/participation in the maintenance of proper tire inflation pressures (for both safety and fuel efficiency) would have fairly immediate benefits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Great Article!</p>
<p>Following Landcrusher&#8217;s comments; I think that the Federal EPA should mandate (and provide funding) for user-friendly (large, accurate PSI guages), free tire inflation at all gas stations, and TV commercials to promote their use. The &#8220;bang-for-buck&#8221; factor should be pretty high, as increased awareness/participation in the maintenance of proper tire inflation pressures (for both safety and fuel efficiency) would have fairly immediate benefits.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: FreeMan</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/the-truth-about-filling-your-tires-with-nitrogen/comment-page-1/#comment-83238</link>
		<dc:creator>FreeMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;This&lt;/b&gt; is what I love about TTAC!

Thanks to Michael for the great article and to the commentators for the great information.  I&#039;ve seen billboards advertising the N2, but I had no idea why, and I figured that it was mostly a gimmick, and now I know, it &lt;i&gt;mostly&lt;/i&gt; is.  Funny thing is, I was just discussing this with a buddy last night - he said he&#039;d heard that putting &#039;air&#039; back in to an N2 filled tire could be dangerous.  After I pointed out that there&#039;s a lot of N2 in the air, he was relieved.  This just goes to show how much confusion the marketing has managed to create.

I did just notice a local place that offers free N2, so maybe I&#039;ll take my tires in there for a fill up - I do have one that seems to leak like a sieve, even though there&#039;s no puncture.

My only question - do they first draw a vacuum in the tire to get all the O2 and other gases out?  If not, I&#039;m not really getting an N2 fill up, am I?  If that&#039;s the case, then &lt;i&gt;lantius&lt;/i&gt;&#039;s comment is right on - enough fill ups with the O2 leaking out equals 95% N2 content!</description>
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<p>Thanks to Michael for the great article and to the commentators for the great information.  I&#8217;ve seen billboards advertising the N2, but I had no idea why, and I figured that it was mostly a gimmick, and now I know, it <i>mostly</i> is.  Funny thing is, I was just discussing this with a buddy last night &#8211; he said he&#8217;d heard that putting &#8216;air&#8217; back in to an N2 filled tire could be dangerous.  After I pointed out that there&#8217;s a lot of N2 in the air, he was relieved.  This just goes to show how much confusion the marketing has managed to create.</p>
<p>I did just notice a local place that offers free N2, so maybe I&#8217;ll take my tires in there for a fill up &#8211; I do have one that seems to leak like a sieve, even though there&#8217;s no puncture.</p>
<p>My only question &#8211; do they first draw a vacuum in the tire to get all the O2 and other gases out?  If not, I&#8217;m not really getting an N2 fill up, am I?  If that&#8217;s the case, then <i>lantius</i>&#8217;s comment is right on &#8211; enough fill ups with the O2 leaking out equals 95% N2 content!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: jazbo123</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/the-truth-about-filling-your-tires-with-nitrogen/comment-page-1/#comment-83207</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real [gaseous] enemy of tires is ozone (O3), not O2. Ozone is in abundant supply outside (along with UV, another degrader). 

Both of these factors are either in very limited supply or unavailable on the inside of tires. The argument about interior tire degradation by O2 is completely specious on a human timescale.</description>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Second, nitrogen’s larger molecules are less likely to seep through rubber.&lt;/i&gt;

I was going to say that Oxygen is larger because of the higher molecular weight, but after doing a quick Wikipedia search, I guess the nuclear forces make it smaller.  Hm.  You learn something every day.</description>
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<p>I was going to say that Oxygen is larger because of the higher molecular weight, but after doing a quick Wikipedia search, I guess the nuclear forces make it smaller.  Hm.  You learn something every day.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: cheezeweggie</title>
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		<dc:creator>cheezeweggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just another gimmick to take a bit more money out of my wallet and put it in someone else&#039;s.  I put green caps on my tire stems and I can feel the difference :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Just another gimmick to take a bit more money out of my wallet and put it in someone else&#8217;s.  I put green caps on my tire stems and I can feel the difference :)<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: ghillie</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/the-truth-about-filling-your-tires-with-nitrogen/comment-page-1/#comment-83119</link>
		<dc:creator>ghillie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 04:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;#   rpn453 :
October 30th, 2007 at 7:09 pm

ghillie, I believe it is mainly due to deformation of the tread mass and sidewalls. I’ve been told by a tire engineer that a tire’s fuel economy is primarily dependent on the mass of the tread. This makes sense to me since it is the mass that is continuously being deflected while driving, and less tire pressure equals more deflection.&lt;/em&gt;

Thanks for that rpn453

So it&#039;s not to do with the increased friction between road and tire due to a larger contact patch.

I assume it is a combination of tread mass and tyre pressure.  More tread mass, more tread to deflect (so some tire will be more efficient than others) but increasing the pressure reduces deflection for any given tire.

But would increased pressure significantly reduce deformation of the tread?  That doesn&#039;t seem likely to me.  However, I can easily understand that increased pressure reduces side wall deflection.</description>
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<p>ghillie, I believe it is mainly due to deformation of the tread mass and sidewalls. I’ve been told by a tire engineer that a tire’s fuel economy is primarily dependent on the mass of the tread. This makes sense to me since it is the mass that is continuously being deflected while driving, and less tire pressure equals more deflection.</em></p>
<p>Thanks for that rpn453</p>
<p>So it&#8217;s not to do with the increased friction between road and tire due to a larger contact patch.</p>
<p>I assume it is a combination of tread mass and tyre pressure.  More tread mass, more tread to deflect (so some tire will be more efficient than others) but increasing the pressure reduces deflection for any given tire.</p>
<p>But would increased pressure significantly reduce deformation of the tread?  That doesn&#8217;t seem likely to me.  However, I can easily understand that increased pressure reduces side wall deflection.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: thx_zetec</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/the-truth-about-filling-your-tires-with-nitrogen/comment-page-1/#comment-83118</link>
		<dc:creator>thx_zetec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 04:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m skeptical.  

I think most leaking is from valve stems, punctures, and rim seals.  

Air is ~80% nitrogen anyway.

Most tires don&#039;t fail from internal oxidation.

Also someone commented that nitrogen does not change pressure as much under heat.  Not true - nitrogen, oxygen behave a nearly &quot;ideal gases&quot; and thus pressure change will be same under temperature.

I think big factor is quality of rim seal.  Was wheel manufactured correctly?  How about the tire?  How careful are most shops mounting tires,even small particle will cause small leak.</description>
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<p>I think most leaking is from valve stems, punctures, and rim seals.  </p>
<p>Air is ~80% nitrogen anyway.</p>
<p>Most tires don&#8217;t fail from internal oxidation.</p>
<p>Also someone commented that nitrogen does not change pressure as much under heat.  Not true &#8211; nitrogen, oxygen behave a nearly &#8220;ideal gases&#8221; and thus pressure change will be same under temperature.</p>
<p>I think big factor is quality of rim seal.  Was wheel manufactured correctly?  How about the tire?  How careful are most shops mounting tires,even small particle will cause small leak.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: jthorner</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/the-truth-about-filling-your-tires-with-nitrogen/comment-page-1/#comment-83103</link>
		<dc:creator>jthorner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 02:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The vast majority of vehicle owners do not, in fact, check the air pressure in the tires of their vehicles at least once per month.  For them, Nitrogen is a real benefit since they will spend a much higher portion of their time with properly inflated tires.

Smart tire shops would use a Nitrogen fill at no extra cost and offer to check and top off anytime.   This gives customers a reason to come back and also gives the shop a chance to do routine inspections to check things like alignment, shocks and brakes.

As others have already said, Costco fills new tire with Nitrogen at no extra cost.  Other tire companies would be smart to do the same.</description>
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<p>Smart tire shops would use a Nitrogen fill at no extra cost and offer to check and top off anytime.   This gives customers a reason to come back and also gives the shop a chance to do routine inspections to check things like alignment, shocks and brakes.</p>
<p>As others have already said, Costco fills new tire with Nitrogen at no extra cost.  Other tire companies would be smart to do the same.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: tankd0g</title>
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		<dc:creator>tankd0g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 01:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People do it for the green valve caps.</description>
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