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		<title>By: jkross22</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/the-chinese-are-coming/comment-page-1/#comment-178142</link>
		<dc:creator>jkross22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The direct sales model would seem to be the lowest risk/highest reward model. Tour the US at malls, Wal-Marts and college campuses with low cost shit boxes a la Hyundai 1987, and sell them with lots of content for a little money. 

The real issue would seem to be the high cost of safety equipment and testing.</description>
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		<title>By: Landcrusher</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/the-chinese-are-coming/comment-page-1/#comment-177372</link>
		<dc:creator>Landcrusher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 06:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I gotta say that if you think the Chinese and Indian companies can&#039;t make it here because they can&#039;t deal with the regulations, you need to do a little more research.

The Mandarins invented bureaucracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I gotta say that if you think the Chinese and Indian companies can&#8217;t make it here because they can&#8217;t deal with the regulations, you need to do a little more research.</p>
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		<title>By: Geotpf</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/the-chinese-are-coming/comment-page-1/#comment-177122</link>
		<dc:creator>Geotpf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 01:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The main problem here is that the US has a very effective protectionist mechanism-although it was created mainly by accident.  Namely, the US has the most strict, and complicated, rules regarding safety equipment and pollution controls in the world.  Oh, and the rules in the US are completely different from the rules anywhere else on the planet.

Several Chinese makers sell cars in Europe, because their laws are simplier (maybe not weaker, but simplier), and match world standards.  In fact, the number of automakers that sell SOMETHING in Europe is probably double that of the number in the US, even the though the US market, once you crack it, is bigger and potentially more profitable.

None of the little Chinese players (or Indian, or Malaysian, or whatever) is big or skilled enough to successfully jump through all the hoops it takes to sell vehicles in the United States.  Most of the ones who have done so (including the foreign makes) already sold vehicles in the US while many of the hoops were being formed (there basically have been no new mainstream entrants into the US market for at least a decade and a half, not counting the failed entry of Daewoo).

At some point a Chinese car company will have the technical skills and financial stability to jump through all the hoops, and they will succeed.  But not any time soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->The main problem here is that the US has a very effective protectionist mechanism-although it was created mainly by accident.  Namely, the US has the most strict, and complicated, rules regarding safety equipment and pollution controls in the world.  Oh, and the rules in the US are completely different from the rules anywhere else on the planet.</p>
<p>Several Chinese makers sell cars in Europe, because their laws are simplier (maybe not weaker, but simplier), and match world standards.  In fact, the number of automakers that sell SOMETHING in Europe is probably double that of the number in the US, even the though the US market, once you crack it, is bigger and potentially more profitable.</p>
<p>None of the little Chinese players (or Indian, or Malaysian, or whatever) is big or skilled enough to successfully jump through all the hoops it takes to sell vehicles in the United States.  Most of the ones who have done so (including the foreign makes) already sold vehicles in the US while many of the hoops were being formed (there basically have been no new mainstream entrants into the US market for at least a decade and a half, not counting the failed entry of Daewoo).</p>
<p>At some point a Chinese car company will have the technical skills and financial stability to jump through all the hoops, and they will succeed.  But not any time soon.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: akatsuki</title>
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		<dc:creator>akatsuki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 01:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will there ever be a day when they can just sell direct without dealers?</description>
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		<title>By: Bancho</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/the-chinese-are-coming/comment-page-1/#comment-176972</link>
		<dc:creator>Bancho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 00:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the domestics are done falling on their swords for mismanaging themselves into oblivion the Chinese can just buy the used up shells and market their own cars as Ford/Chrysler/GM to their hearts content.

I can already hear the Walmart shoppers getting all breathless.

Chery? Chevy? What&#039;s the difference anyhow? I&#039;m not spending my money on either one. I guess Rental car companies will care.</description>
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<p>I can already hear the Walmart shoppers getting all breathless.</p>
<p>Chery? Chevy? What&#8217;s the difference anyhow? I&#8217;m not spending my money on either one. I guess Rental car companies will care.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Edward Niedermeyer</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/the-chinese-are-coming/comment-page-1/#comment-175382</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward Niedermeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least in the short term the story here is: &quot;It&#039;s the currency, stupid.&quot; The dollar is gonna be weak enough for long enough that starting up a new import franchise will suffer exchange losses which will prevent them from being truly competitive. Besides, small car manufacturing expertise plus hugely expanding markets for small cars in the developing world equals a far better option than trying to swim upstream into the tough and contracting American market.</description>
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		<title>By: vasudeva</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/the-chinese-are-coming/comment-page-1/#comment-174292</link>
		<dc:creator>vasudeva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why Indians and Chinese do not export to US. being from India and tracking the auto industry, Indian companies do export, but only to Europe and other non-US companies. This is because Hyundai and Suzuki (the two largest Indian car exporters) do have small car offerings for Europe. But they have had very limited success in bigger car market in India, let alone anywhere else. Toyota and Honda wallop them in bigger cars (City, Corolla, Accord, etc) and Toyota/Honda hardly will export these from India.

Why not export to US: image, investment requirements, but most of all dodgy quality of Tata and Suzuki. Nano may make for good news, but Tata cars are unreliable, and quality improvements slow. Imagine the lawsuits and recalls if their cars stall on US highways. If they had the quality, they would have been in the US a long time back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Why Indians and Chinese do not export to US. being from India and tracking the auto industry, Indian companies do export, but only to Europe and other non-US companies. This is because Hyundai and Suzuki (the two largest Indian car exporters) do have small car offerings for Europe. But they have had very limited success in bigger car market in India, let alone anywhere else. Toyota and Honda wallop them in bigger cars (City, Corolla, Accord, etc) and Toyota/Honda hardly will export these from India.</p>
<p>Why not export to US: image, investment requirements, but most of all dodgy quality of Tata and Suzuki. Nano may make for good news, but Tata cars are unreliable, and quality improvements slow. Imagine the lawsuits and recalls if their cars stall on US highways. If they had the quality, they would have been in the US a long time back.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Johnster</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/the-chinese-are-coming/comment-page-1/#comment-174152</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 04:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the Chevrolet Equinox and Pontiac Torrent are supposedly using a V-6 engine that is built in China.  I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if the first Chinese-manufactured vehicle to be sold in the U.S. were a &quot;captive import&quot; perhaps wearing a Buick or a Chevrolet badge.</description>
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		<title>By: rtz</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/the-chinese-are-coming/comment-page-1/#comment-173722</link>
		<dc:creator>rtz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 00:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would take branding, marketing, and high desire for a China built car to sell well in the US.

Take for example a Mitsubishi Eclipse.  Those cars had some potential when they first came out.  The turbo models.  Take for example the new ones.  No one wants one of those.  An expensive dog.

Now say for example the Mitsubishi Eclipse cost the same as a PT Cruiser($9788), and could beat Corvettes in the 1/4 mile.  Performance for value.

That&#039;s where the money is.  High performance that is affordable and desirable.

If you can&#039;t compete in the internal combustion world; why bother or try?  Chinese government subsidizing lithium batteries similar to how the US subsidizes E85?

I would love to smoke Corvettes at every stop light in my ~$10,000, made in China electric car.  Any time, any day or night of the week.  High performance electric is the future.

Supposedly, several high profile OEM&#039;s have some serious electrics in the works.  They know Subaru, Nissan, and Mitsubishi have vehicles in the works(have been shown).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->It would take branding, marketing, and high desire for a China built car to sell well in the US.</p>
<p>Take for example a Mitsubishi Eclipse.  Those cars had some potential when they first came out.  The turbo models.  Take for example the new ones.  No one wants one of those.  An expensive dog.</p>
<p>Now say for example the Mitsubishi Eclipse cost the same as a PT Cruiser($9788), and could beat Corvettes in the 1/4 mile.  Performance for value.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s where the money is.  High performance that is affordable and desirable.</p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t compete in the internal combustion world; why bother or try?  Chinese government subsidizing lithium batteries similar to how the US subsidizes E85?</p>
<p>I would love to smoke Corvettes at every stop light in my ~$10,000, made in China electric car.  Any time, any day or night of the week.  High performance electric is the future.</p>
<p>Supposedly, several high profile OEM&#8217;s have some serious electrics in the works.  They know Subaru, Nissan, and Mitsubishi have vehicles in the works(have been shown).<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Honda_Lover</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/the-chinese-are-coming/comment-page-1/#comment-172742</link>
		<dc:creator>Honda_Lover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not going to fly. Quality isn&#039;t good enough to compete with Kia, much less Toyota/Honda.</description>
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		<title>By: Landcrusher</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/the-chinese-are-coming/comment-page-1/#comment-172682</link>
		<dc:creator>Landcrusher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the FAA approved the new Sport Pilot Regulations and the less strict Light Sport Aircraft rules, there was absolutely no shortage of dealers.  Instantly, we had more new dealers than planes to supply them.

Dealerships are easy to sell.</description>
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		<title>By: B.C.</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/the-chinese-are-coming/comment-page-1/#comment-172512</link>
		<dc:creator>B.C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think an interesting solution to the quality problem would be if China actually adopted some respectable safety and emissions standards locally.  Fat chance, I know.</description>
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		<title>By: crc</title>
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		<dc:creator>crc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the time is right, why not just set up shop at select Walmart locations.</description>
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		<title>By: Steven Lang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Lang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Chinese would be heavily supported by many of the larger dealer networks in the United States. That side of the business would pretty much be an automatic.

The greater questions for the Chinese would be...

1) Where would they perform their initial launch? Kia for example chose California and the West Coast for nearly it&#039;s entire first year of operation in the United States. 

2) What market would they first attempt to compete? There&#039;s a very good probability that a Chinese company would choose a product that&#039;s simpler to design, manufacture and produce. A small car or a small pickup would likely be the first choices.

3) Will they insist on stand alone dealerships? The larger need associated with this is access to prime real estate. Insisting on a stand alone dealership can effectively leave you out of those areas in certain markets. In nearby Dallas, GA (not a metropolis by any means), Chrysler had to settle for an out of the way location that&#039;s not easily seen on the major road. Five years from now the landscape for this may be different. Then again, maybe not.

There are hundreds, if not thousands of other issues that would need to be resolved as this article points out. Chances are the Chinese will have very good access to industry professionals and although their road may be rocky (not a pun on Daihatsu), they will have greater resources than any other entrant thanks to the Chinese government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->The Chinese would be heavily supported by many of the larger dealer networks in the United States. That side of the business would pretty much be an automatic.</p>
<p>The greater questions for the Chinese would be&#8230;</p>
<p>1) Where would they perform their initial launch? Kia for example chose California and the West Coast for nearly it&#8217;s entire first year of operation in the United States. </p>
<p>2) What market would they first attempt to compete? There&#8217;s a very good probability that a Chinese company would choose a product that&#8217;s simpler to design, manufacture and produce. A small car or a small pickup would likely be the first choices.</p>
<p>3) Will they insist on stand alone dealerships? The larger need associated with this is access to prime real estate. Insisting on a stand alone dealership can effectively leave you out of those areas in certain markets. In nearby Dallas, GA (not a metropolis by any means), Chrysler had to settle for an out of the way location that&#8217;s not easily seen on the major road. Five years from now the landscape for this may be different. Then again, maybe not.</p>
<p>There are hundreds, if not thousands of other issues that would need to be resolved as this article points out. Chances are the Chinese will have very good access to industry professionals and although their road may be rocky (not a pun on Daihatsu), they will have greater resources than any other entrant thanks to the Chinese government.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: BerettaGTZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>BerettaGTZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Chinese home market, although expanding, is already ferociously competitive.  All of the global players like GM, VW, Toyota, etc. are aggressively expanding capacity, and putting serious financial muscle behind their marketing effort.  

Exporting cars abroad is already a survival tactic for Chinese automakers, but their biggest inhibition is not history, but rather quality.  They know that their quality is not up to US or European standards, and they&#039;ll have a tough time meeting safety and emission regulations.  For now the Chinese are aggressively expanding into third-world markets like Africa, the Middle East, India, and SE Asia, where they might be able to get away with lower quality.

Once a manufacturer makes the Great Leap Forward and produces a car that meets US/EU safety and emissions standards, and offers the quality and reliability levels their customers demand, you can bet that they will be here in force.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->The Chinese home market, although expanding, is already ferociously competitive.  All of the global players like GM, VW, Toyota, etc. are aggressively expanding capacity, and putting serious financial muscle behind their marketing effort.  </p>
<p>Exporting cars abroad is already a survival tactic for Chinese automakers, but their biggest inhibition is not history, but rather quality.  They know that their quality is not up to US or European standards, and they&#8217;ll have a tough time meeting safety and emission regulations.  For now the Chinese are aggressively expanding into third-world markets like Africa, the Middle East, India, and SE Asia, where they might be able to get away with lower quality.</p>
<p>Once a manufacturer makes the Great Leap Forward and produces a car that meets US/EU safety and emissions standards, and offers the quality and reliability levels their customers demand, you can bet that they will be here in force.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: GS650G</title>
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		<dc:creator>GS650G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a grand macro economic scale the Chinese government would probably not want money flowing out of China into business in the US that takes 10 years to turn a profit. The recent bad press with toys, dog food and other items would be amplified by horror stories about car problems as well</description>
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		<title>By: Sherman Lin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sherman Lin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for dealers, in my opinion there are still plenty of dealers whose very history is either being part of the early Toyota or Honda wave or who had an oportunity but declined to be a part of that and lived to regret it.  My predication is that they will have no problem getting plenty of strong dealers who will pony up a small mountain of cash up front hoping to be a part of the next Toyota Honda etc.</description>
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