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	<title>Comments on: Texas, Ohio: Voters Reject Photo Enforcement</title>
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		<title>By: GS650G</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/texas-ohio-voters-reject-photo-enforcement/comment-page-1/#comment-1559706</link>
		<dc:creator>GS650G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pity the UK subjects don&#039;t get a direct say in how they are treated.</description>
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		<title>By: johnny ro</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/texas-ohio-voters-reject-photo-enforcement/comment-page-1/#comment-1559680</link>
		<dc:creator>johnny ro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 02:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SRD275 is right
MUST HAVE VIOLATIONS is key concept differentiating what could have been a decent but suboptimal modern electronic solution from what they really do.  City and vendor adjust and adjust until its profitable, and decrease safety, in pursuit of revenue. 

Your increased fine dollars are going to support pension payments for retired city workers. 

Your next rear ender is an unintended but acceptable byproduct.

Mass is deciding to head down this road in pursuit of revenue to state, not caring about losses in emergency rooms, morgues, body shops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->SRD275 is right<br />
MUST HAVE VIOLATIONS is key concept differentiating what could have been a decent but suboptimal modern electronic solution from what they really do.  City and vendor adjust and adjust until its profitable, and decrease safety, in pursuit of revenue. </p>
<p>Your increased fine dollars are going to support pension payments for retired city workers. </p>
<p>Your next rear ender is an unintended but acceptable byproduct.</p>
<p>Mass is deciding to head down this road in pursuit of revenue to state, not caring about losses in emergency rooms, morgues, body shops.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: texlovera</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/texas-ohio-voters-reject-photo-enforcement/comment-page-1/#comment-1559557</link>
		<dc:creator>texlovera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although the results in Heath and College Station were diappointingly close, it&#039;s still a win.  Thank God people are waking up and letting politicians know that we&#039;re mad as hell and not going to take it anymore (channeling my inner Peter Finch).</description>
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		<title>By: Alsadius</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/texas-ohio-voters-reject-photo-enforcement/comment-page-1/#comment-1559493</link>
		<dc:creator>Alsadius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad of the results, but I&#039;m not convinced that photo radar is the problem. The problem is absurd speed limits - if a reasonable set of limits was enforced automatically, I&#039;d be all for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I&#8217;m glad of the results, but I&#8217;m not convinced that photo radar is the problem. The problem is absurd speed limits &#8211; if a reasonable set of limits was enforced automatically, I&#8217;d be all for it.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Kendahl</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/texas-ohio-voters-reject-photo-enforcement/comment-page-1/#comment-1559492</link>
		<dc:creator>Kendahl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;given the past 20 years of “speed kills” propaganda&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s not been twenty years; it&#039;s at least fifty. I&#039;m sure that if you ask someone old enough, he will tell you that it pre-dates World War II.</description>
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<p>It&#8217;s not been twenty years; it&#8217;s at least fifty. I&#8217;m sure that if you ask someone old enough, he will tell you that it pre-dates World War II.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: fincar1</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/texas-ohio-voters-reject-photo-enforcement/comment-page-1/#comment-1559439</link>
		<dc:creator>fincar1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m not sure how well a complicated argument like 85th percentile would sell given the past 20 years of “speed kills” propaganda.&quot;

It&#039;s time to start pushing 85th percentile for the next twenty years then, isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->&#8220;I’m not sure how well a complicated argument like 85th percentile would sell given the past 20 years of “speed kills” propaganda.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s time to start pushing 85th percentile for the next twenty years then, isn&#8217;t it?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Corvair</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/texas-ohio-voters-reject-photo-enforcement/comment-page-1/#comment-1559412</link>
		<dc:creator>Corvair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would sure like to see a similar revolt here in Chicago, where the red light cameras raised almost $45 million for city government.</description>
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		<title>By: srd275</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/texas-ohio-voters-reject-photo-enforcement/comment-page-1/#comment-1559403</link>
		<dc:creator>srd275</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The results are very good considering the camera vendors always like to spit the &quot;majority&quot; support photo enforcement.

Photo enforcement will be on its way out.  The reason is that it is nothing more than a numbers game.  

Photo companies MUST HAVE VIOLATIONS to be profitable.  That is what people are slowly starting to figure out as they get whacked for stopping 1 inch over a stop line, right turn on red.  Or my personal favorite as of late, fake school zones set up in Baltimore MD so they can install speed cameras.  http://blog.motorists.org/maryland-cities-undermine-school-zone-safety/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->The results are very good considering the camera vendors always like to spit the &#8220;majority&#8221; support photo enforcement.</p>
<p>Photo enforcement will be on its way out.  The reason is that it is nothing more than a numbers game.  </p>
<p>Photo companies MUST HAVE VIOLATIONS to be profitable.  That is what people are slowly starting to figure out as they get whacked for stopping 1 inch over a stop line, right turn on red.  Or my personal favorite as of late, fake school zones set up in Baltimore MD so they can install speed cameras.  <a href="http://blog.motorists.org/maryland-cities-undermine-school-zone-safety/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.motorists.org/maryland-cities-undermine-school-zone-safety/</a><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: akitadog</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/texas-ohio-voters-reject-photo-enforcement/comment-page-1/#comment-1559365</link>
		<dc:creator>akitadog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The College Station and Hearth results are scary and could have gone the other way easily. The massive industry-funded advertising in those towns goes to show how easily people will believe 2+2=5 if you tell them long and loudly enough. I bet not nearly as many residents were exposed to the anti-camera message as they were to the pro-camera ads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->The College Station and Hearth results are scary and could have gone the other way easily. The massive industry-funded advertising in those towns goes to show how easily people will believe 2+2=5 if you tell them long and loudly enough. I bet not nearly as many residents were exposed to the anti-camera message as they were to the pro-camera ads.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: RichardD</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/texas-ohio-voters-reject-photo-enforcement/comment-page-1/#comment-1559363</link>
		<dc:creator>RichardD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great lesson -- let&#039;s stop talking about change, let&#039;s impose change.

Although I&#039;m not sure how well a complicated argument like 85th percentile would sell given the past 20 years of &quot;speed kills&quot; propaganda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->This is a great lesson &#8212; let&#8217;s stop talking about change, let&#8217;s impose change.</p>
<p>Although I&#8217;m not sure how well a complicated argument like 85th percentile would sell given the past 20 years of &#8220;speed kills&#8221; propaganda.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: JK43123</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/texas-ohio-voters-reject-photo-enforcement/comment-page-1/#comment-1559327</link>
		<dc:creator>JK43123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I think there are two messages here. The obvious one is that people don’t want automated traffic enforcement. I also suspect that they don’t want rigid, all-encompassing enforcement of existing laws even if it is performed by police officers rather than machines.

Many traffic laws are absurd and the proper solution is to reform them. Changes like 85th percentile speed limits, reasonably long yellows at stoplights and changing most stop signs to yield signs would go a long way to encourage voluntary compliance. In the absence of reform, inefficient enforcement is a tolerable compromise.&lt;/em&gt;

I would add that politicians need to remember that law enforcement means law enforcement, not making money.

John</description>
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<p>Many traffic laws are absurd and the proper solution is to reform them. Changes like 85th percentile speed limits, reasonably long yellows at stoplights and changing most stop signs to yield signs would go a long way to encourage voluntary compliance. In the absence of reform, inefficient enforcement is a tolerable compromise.</em></p>
<p>I would add that politicians need to remember that law enforcement means law enforcement, not making money.</p>
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		<title>By: Kendahl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kendahl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there are two messages here. The obvious one is that people don&#039;t want automated traffic enforcement. I also suspect that they don&#039;t want rigid, all-encompassing enforcement of existing laws even if it is performed by police officers rather than machines.

Many traffic laws are absurd and the proper solution is to reform them. Changes like 85th percentile speed limits, reasonably long yellows at stoplights and changing most stop signs to yield signs would go a long way to encourage voluntary compliance. In the absence of reform, inefficient enforcement is a tolerable compromise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I think there are two messages here. The obvious one is that people don&#8217;t want automated traffic enforcement. I also suspect that they don&#8217;t want rigid, all-encompassing enforcement of existing laws even if it is performed by police officers rather than machines.</p>
<p>Many traffic laws are absurd and the proper solution is to reform them. Changes like 85th percentile speed limits, reasonably long yellows at stoplights and changing most stop signs to yield signs would go a long way to encourage voluntary compliance. In the absence of reform, inefficient enforcement is a tolerable compromise.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: twotone</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/texas-ohio-voters-reject-photo-enforcement/comment-page-1/#comment-1559277</link>
		<dc:creator>twotone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope this attitude and call to action spread across the country. Way to go!

Twotone</description>
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		<title>By: gslippy</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/texas-ohio-voters-reject-photo-enforcement/comment-page-1/#comment-1559266</link>
		<dc:creator>gslippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again, freedom defeats totalitarianism.  God bless the USA.</description>
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		<title>By: FreedMike</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/texas-ohio-voters-reject-photo-enforcement/comment-page-1/#comment-1559262</link>
		<dc:creator>FreedMike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fight the power - hell yes!!!!!</description>
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