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		<title>By: revolver1978</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a little late to this commentary, but all &quot;standard of the world&quot; aside, the CTS wagon will be my next vehicle - used of course.  I still can&#039;t believe they went ahead and started selling it here. . . . hopefully it does well enough to live for awhile. With sporty wagons, there really aren&#039;t many to choose from.</description>
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		<title>By: jr37mam</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 16:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Picky, picky, picky! I am 72 and spent every Sunday at the drag strip in my younger days. I still like to goose it and my 2009 CTS is the best car I ever owned. Yes, it&#039;s even better than my 2006. Lots of zip, good ride &amp; handling and it&#039;s very quiet. So there!!</description>
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		<title>By: FreedMike</title>
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		<dc:creator>FreedMike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 17:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been shopping for a sports sedan and drove the CTS with the DI engine and sports suspension several times. 

In the end, it came in a close third behind the BMW 335 and the Infiniti G37, which I reviewed. I think that speaks quite well for this car. 

While it&#039;s not a road rocket in the idiom of the G37 or 335, the actual performance numbers aren&#039;t that far off (the CTS gives up about .75 seconds 0-60 - not insignificant, but still quite competitive). The feel is what&#039;s different - while the 335 and G37 are bonafide sprinters, the CTS exudes the feel of hushed, subdued power that you normally find in a Mercedes. 

Ditto for the suspension, which has a more deliberate feel, but is still quite willing and competent. It&#039;s worth noting that the ride is also far superior to either the 335 or G37, particularly those equipped with the sport packages. 

While the 335 and G37 feel more spare and purpose-built, the CTS has a more sumptuous, luxurious feel - again, like a Mercedes.

Last I checked, nobody would argue that being like a Mercedes is a bad thing...

And since I decided on the 335, only to discover it&#039;s useless as a family car, I might have to take a second look at the CTS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I have been shopping for a sports sedan and drove the CTS with the DI engine and sports suspension several times. </p>
<p>In the end, it came in a close third behind the BMW 335 and the Infiniti G37, which I reviewed. I think that speaks quite well for this car. </p>
<p>While it&#8217;s not a road rocket in the idiom of the G37 or 335, the actual performance numbers aren&#8217;t that far off (the CTS gives up about .75 seconds 0-60 &#8211; not insignificant, but still quite competitive). The feel is what&#8217;s different &#8211; while the 335 and G37 are bonafide sprinters, the CTS exudes the feel of hushed, subdued power that you normally find in a Mercedes. </p>
<p>Ditto for the suspension, which has a more deliberate feel, but is still quite willing and competent. It&#8217;s worth noting that the ride is also far superior to either the 335 or G37, particularly those equipped with the sport packages. </p>
<p>While the 335 and G37 feel more spare and purpose-built, the CTS has a more sumptuous, luxurious feel &#8211; again, like a Mercedes.</p>
<p>Last I checked, nobody would argue that being like a Mercedes is a bad thing&#8230;</p>
<p>And since I decided on the 335, only to discover it&#8217;s useless as a family car, I might have to take a second look at the CTS.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: noreserve</title>
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		<dc:creator>noreserve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;tonycd :
November 19th, 2007 at 2:57 pm
...
Oh yes, about the car. I was impressed by the quality standing still, but the ultra-wide console practically drilled me in the right knee. It was so bad, it was a deal-killer all by itself. Just me?&lt;/em&gt;

No, it&#039;s not just you. I sat in the CTS yesterday at the Atlanta auto show and was immediately struck by how uncomfortable the center console was on my right knee. I&#039;m an average-sized guy. There is no way that car should have been released with that glaring defect. Sorry Cadillac, that would have been a deal-breaker for me if I was seriously looking at you.

A couple of other things... Does everyone realize that the best this car could do in the frontal crash test was four stars? Not good for a clean-slate design. I&#039;ve also had enough of the garish chrome everywhere. There is just a bit too much for my tastes. I know that the wheels could be optioned without it, but the vents and such are a bit overdone. Subjective stuff I know.

I&#039;ve been reading all of the Edmunds blogs on the CTS - what an eye-opener. This thing has failing trim and horribly squeaking seats and interior bits. The cheap feeling brake release is a let-down. Get with the program and use an electric one a-la VW/Audi. That pedal and clunky release handle are very out-of-place in a Cadillac in 2009. Like most Cadillacs (GMs) I&#039;ve sampled, the trim pieces and places where you touch simply don&#039;t have the high-quality feel that they need to. Take the hood, for example, your hand is greeted by a sharp, cheap chrome trim piece that feels like it will last all of 10K miles. Looks like that&#039;s about how long a lot of bits on that car will last, judging by Edmunds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>tonycd :<br />
November 19th, 2007 at 2:57 pm<br />
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Oh yes, about the car. I was impressed by the quality standing still, but the ultra-wide console practically drilled me in the right knee. It was so bad, it was a deal-killer all by itself. Just me?</em></p>
<p>No, it&#8217;s not just you. I sat in the CTS yesterday at the Atlanta auto show and was immediately struck by how uncomfortable the center console was on my right knee. I&#8217;m an average-sized guy. There is no way that car should have been released with that glaring defect. Sorry Cadillac, that would have been a deal-breaker for me if I was seriously looking at you.</p>
<p>A couple of other things&#8230; Does everyone realize that the best this car could do in the frontal crash test was four stars? Not good for a clean-slate design. I&#8217;ve also had enough of the garish chrome everywhere. There is just a bit too much for my tastes. I know that the wheels could be optioned without it, but the vents and such are a bit overdone. Subjective stuff I know.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been reading all of the Edmunds blogs on the CTS &#8211; what an eye-opener. This thing has failing trim and horribly squeaking seats and interior bits. The cheap feeling brake release is a let-down. Get with the program and use an electric one a-la VW/Audi. That pedal and clunky release handle are very out-of-place in a Cadillac in 2009. Like most Cadillacs (GMs) I&#8217;ve sampled, the trim pieces and places where you touch simply don&#8217;t have the high-quality feel that they need to. Take the hood, for example, your hand is greeted by a sharp, cheap chrome trim piece that feels like it will last all of 10K miles. Looks like that&#8217;s about how long a lot of bits on that car will last, judging by Edmunds.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: jstnspin82</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like that Cadillac has upgraded the look of the STS. I guess they have do anything since the GM ship is sinking. Speaking of ships - the CTS replaced the STS and SLS which were ok and those replaced the Sevilles and Deviles that were just big giant land yachts. I think GM has the right idea but when they are competing in a sedan world there are three things to think about - 1. BMW 2. Audi 3. Mercedes Benz and maybe a fourth with Lexus although I would like to see Lexus jump into the true sports sedan segment that is Germany. The CTS may look nice and appeal to some but bottom line is the company standing behind it has not had a history of sports sedans and thats where they seem to be aiming bit are falling somewhere short of a 1st down. Lets face it the Cadillac Seville is not in the same breed as the BMW 3 Series and 5 Series. The Audi A6 and A8. The Mercedes Benz S Class and C Class, or the Lexus IS or GS. They even through a big V8 in the CTS-V to compete but when matched up against the muscular twin turbo terror BMW M5 it will get beaten 10 times out of 10! Cadillac needs to stick to what they do best and that is a question that to this day I still do not know the answer!</description>
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		<title>By: jstnspin82</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like that Cadillac has upgraded the look of the STS. I guess they have do anything since the GM ship is sinking. Speaking of ships - the CTS replaced the STS and SLS which were ok and those replaced the Sevilles and Deviles that were just big giant land yachts. I think GM has the right idea but when they are competing in a sedan world there are three things to think about - 1. BMW 2. Audi 3. Mercedes Benz and maybe a fourth with Lexus although I would like to see Lexus jump into the true sports sedan segment that is Germany. The CTS may look nice and appeal to some but bottom line is the company standing behind it has not had a history of sports sedans and thats where they seem to be aiming bit are falling somewhere short of 1st down. They even through a big V8 in the CTS-V to compete but when matched up against the BMW M5 and Audi S8 it will get beaten 10 times out of 10! Cadillac needs to stick to what they do best and that is a question that to this day I still do not know the answer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I like that Cadillac has upgraded the look of the STS. I guess they have do anything since the GM ship is sinking. Speaking of ships &#8211; the CTS replaced the STS and SLS which were ok and those replaced the Sevilles and Deviles that were just big giant land yachts. I think GM has the right idea but when they are competing in a sedan world there are three things to think about &#8211; 1. BMW 2. Audi 3. Mercedes Benz and maybe a fourth with Lexus although I would like to see Lexus jump into the true sports sedan segment that is Germany. The CTS may look nice and appeal to some but bottom line is the company standing behind it has not had a history of sports sedans and thats where they seem to be aiming bit are falling somewhere short of 1st down. They even through a big V8 in the CTS-V to compete but when matched up against the BMW M5 and Audi S8 it will get beaten 10 times out of 10! Cadillac needs to stick to what they do best and that is a question that to this day I still do not know the answer!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: peejay44</title>
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		<dc:creator>peejay44</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 04:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They gave you the 263 pony engine and no sports package?  Speaks volumes about what Caddy thinks of TTAC.</description>
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		<title>By: jlmartin99</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/take-two-cadillac-cts-review/comment-page-3/#comment-89438</link>
		<dc:creator>jlmartin99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Justin,

I read this review and not a very informative counter review of a superb luxury sedan. 

JLM</description>
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<p>I read this review and not a very informative counter review of a superb luxury sedan. </p>
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		<title>By: peckwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>peckwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I know, I know&#8230;a good story needs a twist, a unique take, and your perspective here is of interest. But what&#8217;s wrong with un-adulterated praise for a GREAT CAR delivered by General Motors, the Kings of Mediocrity and Corner Slicing? They actualy delivered a product that is desirable, distinguished, and sexy - and it wasn&#8217;t a &#8216;Vette!&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;I think some of the other comments here nailed it: what Cadillac IS on this day, not 40 years ago, is GM best effort at building a luxury automobile. The Germans defined (and continue to define) that market, have dictated to it, and now GM has a very credible - hell, a SWEET CAR, and a GENUINE ALTERNATIVE to BMW, Audi, etc.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Thanks for the perspective, and great review.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Cheers,&lt;br /&gt; Jeff&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>I know, I know&hellip;a good story needs a twist, a unique take, and your perspective here is of interest. But what&rsquo;s wrong with un-adulterated praise for a GREAT CAR delivered by General Motors, the Kings of Mediocrity and Corner Slicing? They actualy delivered a product that is desirable, distinguished, and sexy &#8211; and it wasn&rsquo;t a &lsquo;Vette!</p>
<p>I think some of the other comments here nailed it: what Cadillac IS on this day, not 40 years ago, is GM best effort at building a luxury automobile. The Germans defined (and continue to define) that market, have dictated to it, and now GM has a very credible &#8211; hell, a SWEET CAR, and a GENUINE ALTERNATIVE to BMW, Audi, etc.</p>
<p>Thanks for the perspective, and great review.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br /> Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: dstarrboston</title>
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		<dc:creator>dstarrboston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting review.  It lacks a few numbers like compression ratio, weight distribution front vs rear, rear end gear ratio.  How about some engine details? I &#039;m guessing the engine is the old GM cast iron 3.6 V6 with overhead cams and a mild state of tune, but it would be nice to be told this. A few other details are missing, like is it rear wheel or front wheel?  Does it have the on board Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) readout you get on the DeVille? How big a tire will it take? Does it have a limited slip differential?
  What sort of Caddy comes thru with a V6 anyhow?  A real Caddy comes with a V8.  The Northstar 4.6 liter would make this little sucker truly fly.  The 6 speed manual tranny is nice.  How&#039;s the clutch feel, and is first gear low enough to get rolling when stopped at a light on a hill?
  GM oughta worry about brand dilution of the Caddy name.  They put the Caddy badge on large sedans, SUV&#039;s, crew cab pickups, and two seater sports cars.  Now they are adding yet another type of Caddy, the Euro style sports sedan. The Caddy name used to mean a large top-of-the-line sedan, shortly it will mean fancy expensive just about anything.  You won&#039;t be able to describe what you  drive, what someone else drives, what you want to buy as &quot;Cadillac&quot;. You will have to say &quot;Escalade&quot;,&quot;CTS&quot;,&quot;DeVille&quot;, or Alliante&quot; before anyone knows what you are talking about.  GM has more good car names than it has good cars to put them on.  They could have named this sport sedan &quot;Pontiac GTO&quot; and saved the Caddy name from further dilution. You notice they created the wimpy and nondescript  &quot;CTS&quot; model number &#039;cause the traditional Caddy names like Eldorado, Fleetwood, and Seville don&#039;t sound very sporty.
  The photos in the review conceal the looks of the car more than revealing them.  You probably got &#039;em from GM who has been into arty photos that don&#039;t show much of the car.  Probably to conceal the pedestrian styling. 
  Plenty of people still buy the real Caddy, the  &quot;DTS&quot; or Deville.  GM would be foolish to stop making &#039;em or let them get old and drive the customers to Lexus.  GM could use a Euro style sports sedan, &#039;cause BMW has shown that us Merkins like &#039;em and pay good money for &#039;em.  Not sure if  the sports sedan should bear the Caddy name rather than the Pontiac or Olds name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Interesting review.  It lacks a few numbers like compression ratio, weight distribution front vs rear, rear end gear ratio.  How about some engine details? I &#8216;m guessing the engine is the old GM cast iron 3.6 V6 with overhead cams and a mild state of tune, but it would be nice to be told this. A few other details are missing, like is it rear wheel or front wheel?  Does it have the on board Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) readout you get on the DeVille? How big a tire will it take? Does it have a limited slip differential?<br />
  What sort of Caddy comes thru with a V6 anyhow?  A real Caddy comes with a V8.  The Northstar 4.6 liter would make this little sucker truly fly.  The 6 speed manual tranny is nice.  How&#8217;s the clutch feel, and is first gear low enough to get rolling when stopped at a light on a hill?<br />
  GM oughta worry about brand dilution of the Caddy name.  They put the Caddy badge on large sedans, SUV&#8217;s, crew cab pickups, and two seater sports cars.  Now they are adding yet another type of Caddy, the Euro style sports sedan. The Caddy name used to mean a large top-of-the-line sedan, shortly it will mean fancy expensive just about anything.  You won&#8217;t be able to describe what you  drive, what someone else drives, what you want to buy as &#8220;Cadillac&#8221;. You will have to say &#8220;Escalade&#8221;,&#8221;CTS&#8221;,&#8221;DeVille&#8221;, or Alliante&#8221; before anyone knows what you are talking about.  GM has more good car names than it has good cars to put them on.  They could have named this sport sedan &#8220;Pontiac GTO&#8221; and saved the Caddy name from further dilution. You notice they created the wimpy and nondescript  &#8220;CTS&#8221; model number &#8217;cause the traditional Caddy names like Eldorado, Fleetwood, and Seville don&#8217;t sound very sporty.<br />
  The photos in the review conceal the looks of the car more than revealing them.  You probably got &#8216;em from GM who has been into arty photos that don&#8217;t show much of the car.  Probably to conceal the pedestrian styling.<br />
  Plenty of people still buy the real Caddy, the  &#8220;DTS&#8221; or Deville.  GM would be foolish to stop making &#8216;em or let them get old and drive the customers to Lexus.  GM could use a Euro style sports sedan, &#8217;cause BMW has shown that us Merkins like &#8216;em and pay good money for &#8216;em.  Not sure if  the sports sedan should bear the Caddy name rather than the Pontiac or Olds name.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The CTS from Cadillac.  Due to quality problems, I&#039;ve not purchased an &#039;American badged&#039; automobile since 1977.  With the promise of a newer, better CTS, I thought this just might be the year to trade my GS300 for a Cadillac CTS.
All the magazine hype was good - the mechanicals seemed right - then came the photos.  I couldn&#039;t believe the ugly front end they hung on that car.  In addition to that, the plain slab sides were unbelievable.  Anyway, my local dealership had one arrive a fews weeks ago - so I went to see it in person - to take a first hand look at the front end - to sit in it - and maybe take a test drive.  Inside was &#039;maybe&#039; ok, but the sides and that front end was just too much.  Something like I&#039;d expect to see driving down Beale Street  by a second tier rap artist.  Thank you, but no, I&#039;ll stay with the imports for another year or so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->The CTS from Cadillac.  Due to quality problems, I&#8217;ve not purchased an &#8216;American badged&#8217; automobile since 1977.  With the promise of a newer, better CTS, I thought this just might be the year to trade my GS300 for a Cadillac CTS.<br />
All the magazine hype was good &#8211; the mechanicals seemed right &#8211; then came the photos.  I couldn&#8217;t believe the ugly front end they hung on that car.  In addition to that, the plain slab sides were unbelievable.  Anyway, my local dealership had one arrive a fews weeks ago &#8211; so I went to see it in person &#8211; to take a first hand look at the front end &#8211; to sit in it &#8211; and maybe take a test drive.  Inside was &#8216;maybe&#8217; ok, but the sides and that front end was just too much.  Something like I&#8217;d expect to see driving down Beale Street  by a second tier rap artist.  Thank you, but no, I&#8217;ll stay with the imports for another year or so.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: bleach</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/take-two-cadillac-cts-review/comment-page-3/#comment-88580</link>
		<dc:creator>bleach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saw one on the road for the first time yesterday and it was the same color as the photos in this review.  Between the v shapes in the grill and the slope of the hood, the front looks like it&#039;s sagging.  It just wasn&#039;t as attractive in person as in the photographs.</description>
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		<title>By: Phil Ressler</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/take-two-cadillac-cts-review/comment-page-2/#comment-88330</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Ressler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 20:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;The XLR is a nice looking car. It just does not remotely look or feel like a $70,000 to $100,000 car. This car is strictly for the Cadillac faithful. Say what you will about such rides like the crappy sc430 but put both an SC and an XLR side by side and the XLR looks like it was put together by a bunch of children using lego blocks.&lt;/em&gt;

I can only assume you&#039;ve never been up close to an XLR/XLR-V, nor parked it side by side with their price peers. The Lexus has a certain look of craft to it, but the materials are no better and in some cases are arguably worse. The body panel gaps are a little smaller on the Lexus, but this is mostly due to the XLR having a composite body rather than steel. The Lexus us a unibody car, while the XLR is built on the Corvette&#039;s uniframe.

The Mercedes SL interior photographs better than it looks and feels up close. Outside, again except for the panel gaps issue intrinsic to the composite body and which isn&#039;t a large difference anyway, the SL is put together like any other reasonably well made unibody car. These are all mass-production machines that when examined up close, are not assembled or finished much differently than today&#039;s $35,000 cars. The leather is nicer on all the touch points. The price difference and the value is in the underlying engineering and performance components, as well as some exotica in the systems.

I&#039;ve had XLR-V, SC430 and SL550 side by side in the past 10 days for close comparative examination. Look beyond the superficials and you&#039;ll see that plastic is plastic, and none of these three really have advantage in cosmetic build quality over the others. They are very different cars at an engineering and technical implementation level, however.

&lt;em&gt;“Price in Germany: for the 2.8L V6 211 HP base model, GM is asking 36k Euros. That’s around 53K US$, folks.&lt;/em&gt;

Well, yes and no. A Euro price of E36K is only equivalent to US$53K in exchange rate terms while we have a weak dollar. In 2000 it would have been equal to about $30K. The only thing that matters is what else E36K buys in Europe, not what the car would cost at the exchange rate price in the US. Granted, the weak dollar should allow GM to be more aggressive in pricing but I&#039;m sure they don&#039;t want to be too vulnerable to a rise in the dollar either.

&lt;em&gt;No chance for any success over here at that level. That’s BMW 5-series league, for a car with much less space, serious drivetrain deficiencies, and lousy resale.&lt;/em&gt;

The 5 series is not a spacious automobile, especially relative to its exterior dimensions. The new CTS will not feel like a car &quot;with much less space&quot; than a 5 series. Can&#039;t say about resale there, but I&#039;ll presume you&#039;re correct. As for the drivetrain, Cadillac would have made a better debut with the 3.6L/6sp drivetrain, with a sharp price.

&lt;em&gt;What is the Caddy-ness that the CTS exudes?&lt;/em&gt;

The new CTS is visually distinctive, is currently available in relatively powerful V6 configurations, and when you&#039;re in it, it puts you in an environment of craft and comfort. All good Caddy traits. It needs a V8 option, but the DI6 is Cadillac-consistent.

&lt;em&gt;Maserati’s solution is to make the cars less Maserati-like, such as by putting a slushbox in the Quattroporte. I’m not sure that strategy is going to work.&lt;/em&gt;

The ZF 6 speed in the Quattroporte Automatic isn&#039;t the lazy-shifting slip-swapper in your average sedan of yore. The prior transmission, still available in the Duo-Select, was graceless in all-but open-road conditions, which drove even admirers of the Maser from considering the car. Even the Auto is widely considered the most sporting luxury sedan available. In true Italian fashion, it drives &quot;smaller&quot; than it is when handling counts, but is supple and comfortable. Its interior outclasses anything in its price range, and has that sweet Ferrari mill.

The Cadillac 4.4L Supercharged Northstar in the XLR-V and STS-V, mated to the excellent GM 6L80 double-clutch automatic has similarly engaging character. Maserati&#039;s strategy of combining expressive visual styling with only-in-Italy interiors and sweet muscular drivetrains that accommodate the luxury car buyer has given the marque a measured comeback in the US. The beautiful new GranTourismo Coupe should further contribute. With the CTS in place, Cadillac&#039;s upper tier should get attention next, rather than a baby sedan, and they must keep the distinctive visual drama coming.

Phil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>The XLR is a nice looking car. It just does not remotely look or feel like a $70,000 to $100,000 car. This car is strictly for the Cadillac faithful. Say what you will about such rides like the crappy sc430 but put both an SC and an XLR side by side and the XLR looks like it was put together by a bunch of children using lego blocks.</em></p>
<p>I can only assume you&#8217;ve never been up close to an XLR/XLR-V, nor parked it side by side with their price peers. The Lexus has a certain look of craft to it, but the materials are no better and in some cases are arguably worse. The body panel gaps are a little smaller on the Lexus, but this is mostly due to the XLR having a composite body rather than steel. The Lexus us a unibody car, while the XLR is built on the Corvette&#8217;s uniframe.</p>
<p>The Mercedes SL interior photographs better than it looks and feels up close. Outside, again except for the panel gaps issue intrinsic to the composite body and which isn&#8217;t a large difference anyway, the SL is put together like any other reasonably well made unibody car. These are all mass-production machines that when examined up close, are not assembled or finished much differently than today&#8217;s $35,000 cars. The leather is nicer on all the touch points. The price difference and the value is in the underlying engineering and performance components, as well as some exotica in the systems.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had XLR-V, SC430 and SL550 side by side in the past 10 days for close comparative examination. Look beyond the superficials and you&#8217;ll see that plastic is plastic, and none of these three really have advantage in cosmetic build quality over the others. They are very different cars at an engineering and technical implementation level, however.</p>
<p><em>“Price in Germany: for the 2.8L V6 211 HP base model, GM is asking 36k Euros. That’s around 53K US$, folks.</em></p>
<p>Well, yes and no. A Euro price of E36K is only equivalent to US$53K in exchange rate terms while we have a weak dollar. In 2000 it would have been equal to about $30K. The only thing that matters is what else E36K buys in Europe, not what the car would cost at the exchange rate price in the US. Granted, the weak dollar should allow GM to be more aggressive in pricing but I&#8217;m sure they don&#8217;t want to be too vulnerable to a rise in the dollar either.</p>
<p><em>No chance for any success over here at that level. That’s BMW 5-series league, for a car with much less space, serious drivetrain deficiencies, and lousy resale.</em></p>
<p>The 5 series is not a spacious automobile, especially relative to its exterior dimensions. The new CTS will not feel like a car &#8220;with much less space&#8221; than a 5 series. Can&#8217;t say about resale there, but I&#8217;ll presume you&#8217;re correct. As for the drivetrain, Cadillac would have made a better debut with the 3.6L/6sp drivetrain, with a sharp price.</p>
<p><em>What is the Caddy-ness that the CTS exudes?</em></p>
<p>The new CTS is visually distinctive, is currently available in relatively powerful V6 configurations, and when you&#8217;re in it, it puts you in an environment of craft and comfort. All good Caddy traits. It needs a V8 option, but the DI6 is Cadillac-consistent.</p>
<p><em>Maserati’s solution is to make the cars less Maserati-like, such as by putting a slushbox in the Quattroporte. I’m not sure that strategy is going to work.</em></p>
<p>The ZF 6 speed in the Quattroporte Automatic isn&#8217;t the lazy-shifting slip-swapper in your average sedan of yore. The prior transmission, still available in the Duo-Select, was graceless in all-but open-road conditions, which drove even admirers of the Maser from considering the car. Even the Auto is widely considered the most sporting luxury sedan available. In true Italian fashion, it drives &#8220;smaller&#8221; than it is when handling counts, but is supple and comfortable. Its interior outclasses anything in its price range, and has that sweet Ferrari mill.</p>
<p>The Cadillac 4.4L Supercharged Northstar in the XLR-V and STS-V, mated to the excellent GM 6L80 double-clutch automatic has similarly engaging character. Maserati&#8217;s strategy of combining expressive visual styling with only-in-Italy interiors and sweet muscular drivetrains that accommodate the luxury car buyer has given the marque a measured comeback in the US. The beautiful new GranTourismo Coupe should further contribute. With the CTS in place, Cadillac&#8217;s upper tier should get attention next, rather than a baby sedan, and they must keep the distinctive visual drama coming.</p>
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		<title>By: ronbo456</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 23:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is about the brand, not the car.  The car is apparently fine, maybe better than fine.

But RF&#039;s point about &quot;tight&quot; brand concepts is exactly right.  Brands must stand for something distinctive and they must be uncompromising about building whatever that is into every product. What is the Caddy-ness that the CTS exudes?  

I think there are parallels between Cadillac and Maserati.  Maserati isn&#039;t a weak brand but it&#039;s not well-known.  Given its product line and distribution, Maserati could have committed to positioning itself as an enthusiast&#039;s brand, more exclusive than Porsche but more accessible than Ferrari.  Instead, Maser decided to pursue a broader market, perhaps with the goal of becoming the Italian BMW.  The problem is, the cars are too extreme for that.  Maserati&#039;s solution is to make the cars less Maserati-like, such as by putting a slushbox in the Quattroporte.  I&#039;m not sure that strategy is going to work.</description>
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<p>But RF&#8217;s point about &#8220;tight&#8221; brand concepts is exactly right.  Brands must stand for something distinctive and they must be uncompromising about building whatever that is into every product. What is the Caddy-ness that the CTS exudes?  </p>
<p>I think there are parallels between Cadillac and Maserati.  Maserati isn&#8217;t a weak brand but it&#8217;s not well-known.  Given its product line and distribution, Maserati could have committed to positioning itself as an enthusiast&#8217;s brand, more exclusive than Porsche but more accessible than Ferrari.  Instead, Maser decided to pursue a broader market, perhaps with the goal of becoming the Italian BMW.  The problem is, the cars are too extreme for that.  Maserati&#8217;s solution is to make the cars less Maserati-like, such as by putting a slushbox in the Quattroporte.  I&#8217;m not sure that strategy is going to work.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: f8</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/take-two-cadillac-cts-review/comment-page-2/#comment-88249</link>
		<dc:creator>f8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin Schwoerer:

&quot;Price in Germany: for the 2.8L V6 211 HP base model, GM is asking 36k Euros. That’s around 53K US$, folks.

...

Why do they even bother?&quot;

Well, people generally make more money in Europe, and things cost more there as well.  I don&#039;t know how much a 5 series costs in Europe, so it&#039;s hard to say if Cadillac can be competitive or not.  Plus I doubt Cadillac cares much about that market - what would be the point?  It&#039;s an American luxury car, aimed at Americans

Sammy Hagar:

&quot;Again and again we get this analogy that the “new” Cadillac is on par w/it’s German counterparts. However, due to the fact NOBODY drives these things at speed on the world’s most demanding roads, it will forever remain a pretender.&quot;

You know that all CTS and CTS-V models were tested extensively at Nürburgring, right?  GM made a lot of noise about that.  And if by &quot;most demanding roads&quot; you mean autobahns, you should know that there&#039;s zero difference between an autobahn and an American freeway, except for the whole speed limit thing.</description>
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<p>&#8220;Price in Germany: for the 2.8L V6 211 HP base model, GM is asking 36k Euros. That’s around 53K US$, folks.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>Why do they even bother?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, people generally make more money in Europe, and things cost more there as well.  I don&#8217;t know how much a 5 series costs in Europe, so it&#8217;s hard to say if Cadillac can be competitive or not.  Plus I doubt Cadillac cares much about that market &#8211; what would be the point?  It&#8217;s an American luxury car, aimed at Americans</p>
<p>Sammy Hagar:</p>
<p>&#8220;Again and again we get this analogy that the “new” Cadillac is on par w/it’s German counterparts. However, due to the fact NOBODY drives these things at speed on the world’s most demanding roads, it will forever remain a pretender.&#8221;</p>
<p>You know that all CTS and CTS-V models were tested extensively at Nürburgring, right?  GM made a lot of noise about that.  And if by &#8220;most demanding roads&#8221; you mean autobahns, you should know that there&#8217;s zero difference between an autobahn and an American freeway, except for the whole speed limit thing.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: whatdoiknow1</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The XLR is a nice looking car. It just does not remotely look or feel like a $70,000 to $100,000 car. This car is strictly for the Cadillac faithful. Say what you will about such rides like the crappy sc430 but put both an SC and an XLR side by side and the XLR looks like it was put together by a bunch of children using lego blocks.</description>
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		<title>By: Sammy Hagar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sammy Hagar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 15:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again and again we get this analogy that the &quot;new&quot; Cadillac is on par w/it&#039;s German counterparts.  However, due to the fact NOBODY drives these things at speed on the world&#039;s most demanding roads, it will forever remain a pretender.  In this segment I want a vehicle that has proven reliability while being abused...er, driven in the sporting manner.  Caddy doesn&#039;t have it.</description>
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		<title>By: Martin Schwoerer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Schwoerer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This may be off-topic, but I looked at GM Europe to see whether they believe in the CTS so much that they are pricing it for serious  sales. Do they walk the world-class talk?

Price in Germany: for the 2.8L V6 211 HP base model, GM is asking 36k Euros. That&#039;s around 53K US$, folks.

No chance for any success over here at that level. That&#039;s BMW 5-series league, for a car with much less space, serious drivetrain deficiencies, and lousy resale.

Why do they even bother?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->This may be off-topic, but I looked at GM Europe to see whether they believe in the CTS so much that they are pricing it for serious  sales. Do they walk the world-class talk?</p>
<p>Price in Germany: for the 2.8L V6 211 HP base model, GM is asking 36k Euros. That&#8217;s around 53K US$, folks.</p>
<p>No chance for any success over here at that level. That&#8217;s BMW 5-series league, for a car with much less space, serious drivetrain deficiencies, and lousy resale.</p>
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		<title>By: shaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>shaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>+40HP, Six-speed manual, RWD, available AWD -- no Malibu can offer that. 
Caddy has an excellent entry in the 35-45K segment. If they can pull the reliability numbers up, a solid contender against any German iron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->+40HP, Six-speed manual, RWD, available AWD &#8212; no Malibu can offer that.<br />
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		<title>By: Dynamic88</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dynamic88</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t feel like reading 10 pages of comments, so applogies if this is repetitious.  

The CTS should be a Buick.    The problem GM can&#039;t seem to resolve is that it&#039;s cars still need to fit into a hierarchy.   In the past, there wasn&#039;t much if any overlap in price between divisions.   Now - well, if I could buy a Malibu LTZ I might well be able to afford this entry level Caddy.   It&#039;s only 4 grand difference, and for many buyers, that 4K isn&#039;t a bar.    So honey, do we want to plunk our money down on the Chevy or the Caddy?    

IOW, it should never occur to anyone to use the words Cadillac and &quot;entry level&quot; in the same sentence.   If Caddy can&#039;t ask and get 40K for this car, then Buick division should get it.   (Chevy, at the other end has no business making cars that sticker for 28K)  

This idea that every division needs a car in every segment is what is killing brand ID at GM.</description>
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<p>The CTS should be a Buick.    The problem GM can&#8217;t seem to resolve is that it&#8217;s cars still need to fit into a hierarchy.   In the past, there wasn&#8217;t much if any overlap in price between divisions.   Now &#8211; well, if I could buy a Malibu LTZ I might well be able to afford this entry level Caddy.   It&#8217;s only 4 grand difference, and for many buyers, that 4K isn&#8217;t a bar.    So honey, do we want to plunk our money down on the Chevy or the Caddy?    </p>
<p>IOW, it should never occur to anyone to use the words Cadillac and &#8220;entry level&#8221; in the same sentence.   If Caddy can&#8217;t ask and get 40K for this car, then Buick division should get it.   (Chevy, at the other end has no business making cars that sticker for 28K)  </p>
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		<title>By: theflyersfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>theflyersfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 04:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I think Cadillac nailed it.  In my neck of the woods - normally a hot import market filled with Honda/Acura and Toyota/Lexus (people like to support where they/friends/family work), I&#039;ve seen a HUGE increase in the CTS numbers.  Yes, I agree with others that the grill doesn&#039;t really fit the front (and also like others, the Audi front still hasn&#039;t won me over) and the Malibu seems to have the same problem.  (Can we also agree that we hope this whole side-vent trend ends after a cycle of model years?)  Is the CTS good enough?  Yes.  Is it 100%?  Nope.  But what is perfect?  According to CR, the Infiniti M-class continues to be the best car they&#039;ve tested - it beat the pre-Bangle BMW 5-series a few years back.  But please weigh the facts:

Is Lexus perfect?  No.  The LS-series is overweight and the hybrid makes no sense.  They have too many guzzing truck-based SUVs that are obvious badgejobs.  Their rep for quality is slipping also.
Is Infiniti perfect?  No.  It looks like the G-series can be a hit, but the M-series looks bloated and not worth the extra money from a G, the FX is getting a little long in the tooth and there is still the bad taste in the mouths of people who purchased Maxima and Sentra-based Infinitis.  
Is Acrua perfect?  No.  They canned the RSX for &quot;not fitting the model lineup&quot; but the RL is barely noticed and the TL is due for a refresh any minute now.  Much like Infiniti 10 years ago, they need to rethink their identity.
Is BMW perfect?  No.  The styling is not for everyone, iDrive is still a nightmare after six plus years, quality scores are in a freefall, and the cost of admission for even the small 3-series makes first-time buyers twitch.
Is Mercedes perfect?  No.  They are a very easy target though.  They&#039;ve AMG-ed everything including (probably) a go-cart line, resale value due to that is not good, quality is wretched, too many models and they&#039;ve lost the scorecard on German styling.  I followed an early-90&#039;s E-class for a while and after looking at it in traffic for a long time, it reminded me what Mercedes was, not what they&#039;ve become.  Plus they still need to explain the need for the R-class.
Is Audi perfect?  No.  Like Caddy, they seem to be on the up and up, but once again quality scores are low and the stigma of VW calling the shots when VW can&#039;t fix their own lineup might spell trouble soon.
Is Lincoln perfect? No.  I&#039;ll take a crude F-150, put 300 pounds of chrome on the outside and make it a Lincoln.  Ditto with an Expedition.  This is a dead brand on the side of the road.
How about the &quot;British&quot; companies?  Land Rover has a guzzling product line and Jag needs help ASAP.
The Swedes are a mixed bag - GM wrecked Saab and Ford seems to have helped Volvo.
So, does the CTS have to be flawless?  Not really, but they do have the perception to demolish.  Their ads need to ATTACK the Germans head on and I think the CTS can win.  They should play the game of having demo CTS models ready for serious to semi-serious buyers to drive one for a week or so.  They should the common folk take one around a parking lot track so people (with families) can sit in one and experience it.  If the car is good, word of mouth will do wonders.  
I firmly believe the CTS, the G8, and maybe the Malibu can finally start the turnaround provided GM doesn&#039;t screw up with the dealer orders, price increases, a lack of constant improvement, and poor service and quality.  What&#039;s the saying - with a positive experience, one person tells another person, but with a negative experience, 1 person tells 10.  That&#039;s a tough cycle to break.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Personally, I think Cadillac nailed it.  In my neck of the woods &#8211; normally a hot import market filled with Honda/Acura and Toyota/Lexus (people like to support where they/friends/family work), I&#8217;ve seen a HUGE increase in the CTS numbers.  Yes, I agree with others that the grill doesn&#8217;t really fit the front (and also like others, the Audi front still hasn&#8217;t won me over) and the Malibu seems to have the same problem.  (Can we also agree that we hope this whole side-vent trend ends after a cycle of model years?)  Is the CTS good enough?  Yes.  Is it 100%?  Nope.  But what is perfect?  According to CR, the Infiniti M-class continues to be the best car they&#8217;ve tested &#8211; it beat the pre-Bangle BMW 5-series a few years back.  But please weigh the facts:</p>
<p>Is Lexus perfect?  No.  The LS-series is overweight and the hybrid makes no sense.  They have too many guzzing truck-based SUVs that are obvious badgejobs.  Their rep for quality is slipping also.<br />
Is Infiniti perfect?  No.  It looks like the G-series can be a hit, but the M-series looks bloated and not worth the extra money from a G, the FX is getting a little long in the tooth and there is still the bad taste in the mouths of people who purchased Maxima and Sentra-based Infinitis.<br />
Is Acrua perfect?  No.  They canned the RSX for &#8220;not fitting the model lineup&#8221; but the RL is barely noticed and the TL is due for a refresh any minute now.  Much like Infiniti 10 years ago, they need to rethink their identity.<br />
Is BMW perfect?  No.  The styling is not for everyone, iDrive is still a nightmare after six plus years, quality scores are in a freefall, and the cost of admission for even the small 3-series makes first-time buyers twitch.<br />
Is Mercedes perfect?  No.  They are a very easy target though.  They&#8217;ve AMG-ed everything including (probably) a go-cart line, resale value due to that is not good, quality is wretched, too many models and they&#8217;ve lost the scorecard on German styling.  I followed an early-90&#8217;s E-class for a while and after looking at it in traffic for a long time, it reminded me what Mercedes was, not what they&#8217;ve become.  Plus they still need to explain the need for the R-class.<br />
Is Audi perfect?  No.  Like Caddy, they seem to be on the up and up, but once again quality scores are low and the stigma of VW calling the shots when VW can&#8217;t fix their own lineup might spell trouble soon.<br />
Is Lincoln perfect? No.  I&#8217;ll take a crude F-150, put 300 pounds of chrome on the outside and make it a Lincoln.  Ditto with an Expedition.  This is a dead brand on the side of the road.<br />
How about the &#8220;British&#8221; companies?  Land Rover has a guzzling product line and Jag needs help ASAP.<br />
The Swedes are a mixed bag &#8211; GM wrecked Saab and Ford seems to have helped Volvo.<br />
So, does the CTS have to be flawless?  Not really, but they do have the perception to demolish.  Their ads need to ATTACK the Germans head on and I think the CTS can win.  They should play the game of having demo CTS models ready for serious to semi-serious buyers to drive one for a week or so.  They should the common folk take one around a parking lot track so people (with families) can sit in one and experience it.  If the car is good, word of mouth will do wonders.<br />
I firmly believe the CTS, the G8, and maybe the Malibu can finally start the turnaround provided GM doesn&#8217;t screw up with the dealer orders, price increases, a lack of constant improvement, and poor service and quality.  What&#8217;s the saying &#8211; with a positive experience, one person tells another person, but with a negative experience, 1 person tells 10.  That&#8217;s a tough cycle to break.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Theodore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theodore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 03:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not the Cadillac of old.  It&#039;s not the Standard of the World because GM isn&#039;t capable of building cars at that level, but neither is it the land yacht my grandmother drives (for which let us all give thanks.)  It&#039;s something else entirely - something that GM desperately needs - a step in the right direction.  Even if it&#039;s only a 96% Cadillac, that&#039;s a damn sight more than any Caddy has been in years.

Know when I really started to notice the current Cadillacs?  When I saw CTS-V race cars running SCCA events alongside BMWs and Audis.  If Cadillac wants to get some sporting cred, that&#039;s a good place to start.  And I&#039;ve long thought that if any American marque belongs in Formula One, it&#039;s Cadillac.  Maybe there they could start to regain that reputation as the Standard of the World.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->This is not the Cadillac of old.  It&#8217;s not the Standard of the World because GM isn&#8217;t capable of building cars at that level, but neither is it the land yacht my grandmother drives (for which let us all give thanks.)  It&#8217;s something else entirely &#8211; something that GM desperately needs &#8211; a step in the right direction.  Even if it&#8217;s only a 96% Cadillac, that&#8217;s a damn sight more than any Caddy has been in years.</p>
<p>Know when I really started to notice the current Cadillacs?  When I saw CTS-V race cars running SCCA events alongside BMWs and Audis.  If Cadillac wants to get some sporting cred, that&#8217;s a good place to start.  And I&#8217;ve long thought that if any American marque belongs in Formula One, it&#8217;s Cadillac.  Maybe there they could start to regain that reputation as the Standard of the World.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Qusus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Qusus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 03:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alright, I can buy that.  I hear there&#039;s not as many Cadillac&#039;s in SoCal.  I live in Michigan (where XLR&#039;s are much more common than import cars as you can imagine) and Jersey (where there were a bunch of Caddy&#039;s).  The XLR-V is certainly one sharp-lookin&#039; car.  Pardon my Veyron-story skepticism as I&#039;ve never seen one myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Alright, I can buy that.  I hear there&#8217;s not as many Cadillac&#8217;s in SoCal.  I live in Michigan (where XLR&#8217;s are much more common than import cars as you can imagine) and Jersey (where there were a bunch of Caddy&#8217;s).  The XLR-V is certainly one sharp-lookin&#8217; car.  Pardon my Veyron-story skepticism as I&#8217;ve never seen one myself.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Steven Lang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Lang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 03:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The primary problem with this market segment is that there are already so many comparable models that can duplicate 90+% of the daily driving &#039;experience&#039; for about 70% of the price.

A few models are an exception to the rule... for now. The Mercedes C-Class doesn&#039;t have a cheaper companion in the states. The 3-Series covers such a wide gamut that it practically competes with itself. I would argue that the A4 and A3 provide far different driving experiences as well.

But the Japanese and American cars? The only one that will make a semi-strong case is Infiniti... and even then I think it mostly comes down to interior materials and insulation. 
 
Cadillac may actually have the best all-arounder in this entire market. All the other models appear to be &#039;the best&#039; at something while the prior generation Cadillac CTS was actually good at everything (except for some of the interior components). The styling&#039;s definitely not my cup of tea, but as a daily performer this new Cadillac may actually give the best bang for the buck for those who want a &#039;little of everything&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->The primary problem with this market segment is that there are already so many comparable models that can duplicate 90+% of the daily driving &#8216;experience&#8217; for about 70% of the price.</p>
<p>A few models are an exception to the rule&#8230; for now. The Mercedes C-Class doesn&#8217;t have a cheaper companion in the states. The 3-Series covers such a wide gamut that it practically competes with itself. I would argue that the A4 and A3 provide far different driving experiences as well.</p>
<p>But the Japanese and American cars? The only one that will make a semi-strong case is Infiniti&#8230; and even then I think it mostly comes down to interior materials and insulation. </p>
<p>Cadillac may actually have the best all-arounder in this entire market. All the other models appear to be &#8216;the best&#8217; at something while the prior generation Cadillac CTS was actually good at everything (except for some of the interior components). The styling&#8217;s definitely not my cup of tea, but as a daily performer this new Cadillac may actually give the best bang for the buck for those who want a &#8216;little of everything&#8217;.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: AuricTech</title>
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		<dc:creator>AuricTech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 01:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that one major problem Cadillac has is the dilemma of drawing on its past reputation while simultaneously reinventing itself (Pontiac has a similar problem, as do FoMoCo&#039;s Mercury and Lincoln).  That being said, I can see an advertising campaign that draws on the Cadillac name&#039;s association with luxury, while distancing the CTS (and other Cadillac models) from the esthetics of the big-tailfin era.

Imagine a commercial in which Ed Wasser, dressed to resemble his &lt;i&gt;Babylon 5&lt;/i&gt; character &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morden_%28Babylon_5%29&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Morden&lt;/a&gt;, asks people in 1958 - 2008 his character&#039;s signature question: &quot;What do you want?&quot;  Each respondent (one per decade) answers &quot;I want a luxury car that also [has whatever desirable attribute fits the Cadillac of the time],&quot; with the 2008 respondent answering &quot;I want a luxury sedan that also drives like a sports sedan.&quot;  (This last response would, of course, be tailored to the Cadillac model being advertised.)

Next, &quot;Morden&quot; asks &quot;But what do you &lt;i&gt;want&lt;/i&gt;?&quot;  Each respondent, in turn, replies &quot;A Cadillac.&quot;

Finally, the model in question is revealed, with a voice-over along the lines of &quot;The Cadillac [insert model here].  It&#039;s the car you want.&quot;

All right, so this idea relies a bit too much on science-fiction geekery.  That doesn&#039;t mean that some similar way of bringing Cadillac&#039;s past to the present wouldn&#039;t work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I agree that one major problem Cadillac has is the dilemma of drawing on its past reputation while simultaneously reinventing itself (Pontiac has a similar problem, as do FoMoCo&#8217;s Mercury and Lincoln).  That being said, I can see an advertising campaign that draws on the Cadillac name&#8217;s association with luxury, while distancing the CTS (and other Cadillac models) from the esthetics of the big-tailfin era.</p>
<p>Imagine a commercial in which Ed Wasser, dressed to resemble his <i>Babylon 5</i> character <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morden_%28Babylon_5%29" rel="nofollow">Morden</a>, asks people in 1958 &#8211; 2008 his character&#8217;s signature question: &#8220;What do you want?&#8221;  Each respondent (one per decade) answers &#8220;I want a luxury car that also [has whatever desirable attribute fits the Cadillac of the time],&#8221; with the 2008 respondent answering &#8220;I want a luxury sedan that also drives like a sports sedan.&#8221;  (This last response would, of course, be tailored to the Cadillac model being advertised.)</p>
<p>Next, &#8220;Morden&#8221; asks &#8220;But what do you <i>want</i>?&#8221;  Each respondent, in turn, replies &#8220;A Cadillac.&#8221;</p>
<p>Finally, the model in question is revealed, with a voice-over along the lines of &#8220;The Cadillac [insert model here].  It&#8217;s the car you want.&#8221;</p>
<p>All right, so this idea relies a bit too much on science-fiction geekery.  That doesn&#8217;t mean that some similar way of bringing Cadillac&#8217;s past to the present wouldn&#8217;t work.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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