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		<title>New Or Used? : Large Marge Don&#8217;t Want No Land Barge Edition</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Apr 2013 10:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sajeev Mehta and Steve Lang</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Steve and Jeev, My girlfriend needs a car while in the midst of many other big financial decisions that severely limit her car budget. Here’s the situation. She has access to a family owned Mercedes 380SL that has what I believe to be transmission issues. It’s dripping dark red fluid from right about where [...]]]></description>
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<blockquote><p>My girlfriend needs a car while in the midst of many other big financial decisions that severely limit her car budget. Here’s the situation.<span id="more-483482"></span></p>
<p>She has access to a family owned Mercedes 380SL that has what I believe to be transmission issues. It’s dripping dark red fluid from right about where the transmission looks to be and it’s probably also leaking oil.</p>
<p>I’m handy, but I don’t think I’m money pit Benz convertible transmission and rear main seal handy. Then again it might not be so bad and might be a reasonable fix, until the next time it shoots itself in the foot. It currently doesn&#8217;t run and last time it was driven apparently exhibited the same problem it has for years, which is that if you don’t take it easy off the line it just dies on you.</p>
<p>So she needs a new car, but she needs something as close to under $4k as possible.</p>
<p>She also has specific tastes, though she’s somewhat flexible. <em>(Oh boy! And here comes her laundry list! -SL)</em></p>
<p><a href="http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2013/04/new-or-used-large-marge-dont-want-no-land-barge-edition/"><em>Click here to view the embedded video.</em></a></p>
<p>Completely averse to Panthers (otherwise I wouldn’t have to write this email) and doesn’t want a Taurus ever (her grandmother drives one, it’s been nothing but misery).</p>
<p>Oh also, it can’t be a manual, which means anything remotely &#8211; Miata, 2002, Volvo wagon with ls1 swap &#8211; fun out of the question. I’ve been looking at Volvo 240s, 740s, 940s, 850s, overpriced Camrys and Accords, Corollas/Prisms and a lot of late 90s early 00s 4th and 5th gen Maximas and i30s. Also G20s and just for good measure the occasional Saab.</p>
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<p>I’m very comfortable with the Maxima/i30 as my dad had one for 10 years and it’s what I learned how to work on so I know how to do any repair imaginable and problem areas plus they’re in abundance in this price range. I’m also intrigued by the Volvo option since you could easily sell it for the same you paid for it or more if there’s anything wrong that can be easily fixed.</p>
<p>As I said, I feel comfortable armed with a forum and a Haynes manual to do any reasonable repairs short of transmission rebuilds but I want something that’s easy and cheap to work on as possible. I know that the whole no domestics thing and crapshoot prices don&#8217;t help but what should she do? Find out how much the SL will cost to repair? Flush the transmission and hope for the best? What other cars should I be looking for that I’m missing. I assume craigslist is pretty much the only reliable source for these and that I’m buying a car for an owner not the car. Also, should she try to wait out tax season until prices come down, I’ve noticed that even on these sub 5k cars the prices seem higher than normal.</p></blockquote>
<p><em>Steve Says:</em></p>
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<p>How does she feel about a minivan?</p>
<p>I would suggest telling her that you want to fill one of those up and your problem should go away real quick. <em>(Childish Giggling &#8211; SM)</em></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the rub on this. Your girlfriend needs to stop looking at the popular cars with the unrealistic expectation of low maintenance and a low price. She wants a cheap Camry? Fine. You will find that the cheap ones are cheap for a reason. I have seen unfortunate souls spending dozens of weekends trying to find a popular car at a cheap price.</p>
<p>Most of them wind up anteing up thousands more than their budget allowed, and buying a popular vehicle with very high miles. Some people are OK with this outcome. The truth is that a better solution is there only if she is willing to adjust her expectations.</p>
<p>I would sit down together in front of the computer and go through the unpopular and orphan brands first. Visit carsurvey, Edmunds, here, there and anywhere else that offers reviews from actual owners. My recommendation is a late 90&#8242;s Buick Regal with the 3.8 Liter V6 and about 120k to 150k on the miles. Either that or an Explorer if she wants a bigger vehicle.</p>
<p>Get an older SUV if she doesn&#8217;t drive a lot. Or get an unpretentious middle-of-the-road sedan, with a keen eye on the powertrain combination, if her driving will be 10,000 miles or more a year.</p>
<p><em>Sajeev</em> says:</p>
<p>The Benz might be worth a punt, but that&#8217;s only if she doesn&#8217;t need to drive very often. My guess is that this conditional statement is rather unrealistic. So the SL ain&#8217;t happening.</p>
<p>At this price, tough love is better than proper indulgence. She buys the vehicle with the cleanest interior, newest tires/brakes, the biggest wad of service receipts, and a character that isn&#8217;t completely offensive to her sensibility. That said:</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em>&#8220;[She's] Completely averse to Panthers (otherwise I wouldn’t have to write this email)&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Come on Son, don&#8217;t make jokes like that! Has she not seen the best <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5rRZdiu1UE">Music Video ever made on the face of the Universe</a>?</p>
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<p>I simply refuse to <del>live in the real world</del> believe that women cannot embrace Panther Love. And I know my man Lang agrees, he came up with the title! While my advice is true, there&#8217;s a good chance that the best vehicle for the price will also be a super tidy Panther.</p>
<p>But seriously, get <del></del>the cleanest, best maintained, late-model, non-European machine you find&#8230;buy what she wants when she has more cheddar. Because getting what you want now only hurts you in the future.</p>
<p>Unless it&#8217;s a Panther.</p>
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		<title>Next-Gen Mercedes SL AMG Doesn&#8217;t Have To Be Driven Like Grandpa</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2011 17:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Edward Niedermeyer</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve personally never seen a Mercedes SL driven in anything close to anger. In fact, most of the time I see an SL, it seems as though the driver is in no rush at all to return to pulling teeth or fixing braces. But, as with the &#8220;low-flying&#8221; forthcoming Mercedes ML AMG, the boys from [...]]]></description>
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<p>I&#8217;ve personally never seen a Mercedes SL driven in anything close to anger. In fact, most of the time I see an SL, it seems as though the driver is in no rush at all to return to pulling teeth or fixing braces. But, as with <a href="http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/08/beware-of-low-flying-suvs/">the &#8220;low-flying&#8221; forthcoming Mercedes ML AMG</a>, the boys from Affalterbach are driving the new SL AMG like it&#8217;s meant to be&#8230; so you don&#8217;t have to. After all, that AMG badge does supposedly stand for more than &#8220;a little extra respect from the valet&#8221;&#8230; </p>
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		<title>Review: 1979 Mercedes-Benz 450sl &#8220;R107&#8243;</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Goolsbee</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Imagine it is thirty years in the future, 2039, and you are driving in a hard top convertible made in 2009. It has had three owners, and sports a healthy six-figures on the odometer. Would you expect it to leak, rattle, and/or squeak? Probably. Would you expect it to look dated and out of place [...]]]></description>
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<p>Imagine it is thirty years in the future, 2039, and you are driving in a hard top convertible made in 2009. It has had three owners, and sports a healthy six-figures on the odometer. Would you expect it to leak, rattle, and/or squeak?<br />
Probably.<br />
Would you expect it to look dated and out of place as we approach 2030 when cars (finally) fly and run by garbage-powered fusion generators?<br />
Likely.<br />
In 2029 there <em>will</em> be 1970s-era Mercedes-Benz cars still on the road though. By then they might rattle, leak, and/or squeak. They may even look a little dated. But not today. I drove this 1979 450sl to a dentist appointment this morning. Two weeks before I drove it from coast to coast, through rain, snow, and sun. It doesn&#8217;t rattle. It doesn&#8217;t leak. It doesn&#8217;t squeak. It is as solid today as the day it rolled out of Stuttgart thirty years ago. This thing is built like a tank.</p>
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<div id="attachment_334678" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 560px"><img class="size-medium wp-image-334678" src="http://images.thetruthaboutcars.com/2009/11/exterior-550x321.jpg" alt="With removable pagoda-shaped hard top installed, the genetic link to the previous-generation W113 SL is evident. " width="550" height="321" /><p class="wp-caption-text">With removable pagoda-shaped hard top installed, the genetic link to the previous-generation W113 SL is evident. </p></div>
<p>In fact, the engineers who designed it nicknamed it &#8220;<em>der Panzerwagen</em>&#8221; as one of their specifications was to meet or exceed stringent safety regulations that threatened to force the roadster body style into permanent extinction. Apparently, the Germans know a thing or two about building tanks. Stylistically the R107 Chassis with its blend of slab shapes and extra-long radii curves owes far more to the <a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/Bovington_Tiger_II_grey_bg.jpg/800px-Bovington_Tiger_II_grey_bg.jpg" rel="lightbox[334671]" target="_blank">Panzerkampfwagen &#8220;Königstiger&#8221;</a> than its graceful automotive predecessors, the <a href="http://chuck.goolsbee.org/review-1957-mercedes-benz-300sl-roadster" target="_blank">W198</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W113" target="_blank">W113</a> &#8220;Sport Leicht&#8221; series. Under the hood, unlike the six-cylinder Gullwing and Pagoda Benzes, the R107 is motivated by a V-8 engine. It sports an overhead cam and fuel injection like its father and grandfather, and maintains a paternal link with a Pagoda-shaped removable hard top. From the neck down though it is its own panzer-like design. It was a phenomenally popular car, with well over a quarter-million of them made in a very long run, from 1971 through 1989. Built in a time when Mercedes-Benz was truly and uniquely synonymous with &#8220;quality&#8221;&#8230; as they remained alone at the top of the luxury automotive heap, towering <em>über alles</em> the (literally) smoking wreckage of Detroit and Coventry&#8217;s faded high-end brands, Cadillac, Lincoln, and Jaguar. This was when the Bavarians in Munich were just started going upmarket, and the Japanese were eviscerating Detroit only from below.</p>
<div id="attachment_334673" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 560px"><img class="size-medium wp-image-334673" src="http://images.thetruthaboutcars.com/2009/11/300-450sl-550x330.jpg" alt="The R107 and it's genetic grandparent, the 300sl (W194)" width="550" height="330" /><p class="wp-caption-text">The R107 and it&#039;s genetic grandparent, the 300sl (W194)</p></div>
<div id="attachment_334689" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 476px"><img class="size-medium wp-image-334689" src="http://images.thetruthaboutcars.com/2009/11/interior-466x350.jpg" alt="The interior is snug, but well-appointed for a car from the 1970s. " width="466" height="350" /><p class="wp-caption-text">The interior is snug, but well-appointed for a car from the 1970s. </p></div>
<p>This 450sl sold for around $32,000 in 1979, which adjusted for inflation is a Kia Rio shy of $110,000 in 2009. What did that kind of Carter-era cash get for you? A damn fine ride. The 450sl is a cruise missile of a car, a true Grand Tourer capable of days of comfortable Autobahn travel… top up, or down, on or off. The interior is snug, though comfortable for both driver and passenger. Seats are made from MB-tex, the Stuttgart equivalent of Kevlar, which deflects wear, stains, bullets, and tears, while somehow not being torturously uncomfortable like virtually all other 70s-era synthetic seats. Leather was optional, but rarely ordered for these roadsters though shaggy sheepskin was a de rigueur disco-era aftermarket addition, thankfully averted in the example here. Real wood accents trim out the dashboard and center console. The removable hard top weighs about 90 pounds and requires two people (or a garage-ceiling mounted pulley-lift) to install or remove. The latching mechanism is ingenious however and guarantees a snug, no rattle or leak fit to the car. When off the car the top rests on an aluminum rack with casters so it can be wheeled into a closet or corner of the garage. The rack itself breaks down easily into component parts which are bagged and easily stored in the generous trunk. The soft top manually folds away into a decked storage compartment aft of the cockpit when down with (attention car designers!) no trunk space used, and when raised latches to the windscreen using the same hardware as the hard top. At speed inside the car with either top on you are treated to a ride as quiet as a coupe or sedan. Unlike most convertibles, all-around visibility is excellent in <em>any</em> top configuration.</p>
<div id="attachment_334687" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 408px"><img class="size-medium wp-image-334687" src="http://images.thetruthaboutcars.com/2009/11/topless-398x350.jpg" alt="The well-engineered hard top stores on its own well-engineered cart." width="398" height="350" /><p class="wp-caption-text">The well-engineered hard top stores on its own well-engineered cart.</p></div>
<p>While it may appear to be a big car, especially with the ludicrously large US-market bumpers, the R107 is in reality a diminutive two-seater which when parked next to today&#8217;s average machine finally reflects the true scale. It sits low, so when in the company of Suburban Ussault Vehicles defensive driving is an excellent strategy, so all that visibility for the driver pays off. Beyond a few 70s details in the styling it has a timelessness to it that wears far better than many of its peers from the days of disco. Especially with the top down, it appears as if it could be from any time in the last 40 years. Such is the staying power of simple shapes and spare, minimalist design.</p>
<div id="attachment_334688" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 560px"><img class="size-medium wp-image-334688" src="http://images.thetruthaboutcars.com/2009/11/scale-550x266.jpg" alt="The 450sl is much smaller than it looks." width="550" height="266" /><p class="wp-caption-text">The 450sl is much smaller than it looks.</p></div>
<p>Turn the key and the 4.5 liter V-8 makes a mild muscle-car rumble. The US-spec 3-speed automatic transmission does not inspire any sort of lust, nor risk any chiropractic involvement, performing its job in an undramatic utilitarian fashion. However once underway the chassis displays its Teutonic heritage in surprisingly nimble and huckable road feel. Able to cruise effortlessly at autobahn speeds, while also happily carving up any twisty backroad. Great turn-in and light, nimble steering. It is not the fastest car by any stretch of the imagination, but it certainly can be fun should you choose to toss it about.</p>
<div id="attachment_334684" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 560px"><img class="size-medium wp-image-334684" src="http://images.thetruthaboutcars.com/2009/11/track-550x256.jpg" alt="Hang on, what's that beach benz doing on a racetrack? (Answer: 3rd place for that day.)" width="550" height="256" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Hang on, what&#039;s that beach benz doing on a racetrack? (Answer: 3rd place for that day.)</p></div>
<p>On the track it will never win any races (unless all your opponents are pedal-powered) but it will provide miles of smiles and never embarrass the driver. If anything it will inspire confidence to push it hard, as its manners are very steady at the edge of its performance envelope; neutral handling easing towards gentle and predictable throttle over-steer as you push it harder in the corners. Just forget about the dragstrip as the sedate transmission will let you down. The R107 is a stately sort of sports/performance car. It comes from Stuttgart but doesn&#8217;t wear that on its sleeve like a P-car.</p>
<div id="attachment_334685" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 484px"><img class="size-medium wp-image-334685" src="http://images.thetruthaboutcars.com/2009/11/trooper-474x350.jpg" alt="A Montana State Trooper writes up his own review of the R107's capabilities." width="474" height="350" /><p class="wp-caption-text">A Montana State Trooper writes up his own review of the R107&#039;s capabilities.</p></div>
<p>The penalty for this moderately good performance, beyond being fast enough to collect speeding tickets even in Montana, is SUV-like non-frugality. The 450sl will burn up gasoline at about 12-17 MPG &#8230; if you are lucky. Thankfully it runs fine on Regular Unleaded, unlike so many finicky machines whose tastes are more top-shelf. This is also not a good winter car in northern climes. Performance on snow and ice is abysmal-to-terrifying. It will swap ends and send you pirouetting off into the woods at the mere sight of a snowflake. Park it once the thermometer starts dropping. Their A/C systems, especially for the &#8217;77-&#8217;79 models can be problematic so if you&#8217;re living in Houston pick another year. Here in the Pacific Northwest however it&#8217;s a wash&#8230; it snows about as often a it reaches 90°F; almost never.</p>
<div id="attachment_334681" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 501px"><img class="size-medium wp-image-334681" src="http://images.thetruthaboutcars.com/2009/11/ice-491x350.jpg" alt="Trust me, you'll want to avoid this scenario." width="491" height="350" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Trust me, you&#039;ll want to avoid this scenario.</p></div>
<p>While nowhere near the stratospheric value of its gull-winged supercar forebear, the R107 was still an upper-class car, the ride of choice for Professionals of the 70s &amp; 80s: Doctors, Bankers, Dentists, and Trophy Wives. Given their popularity, 19-year long manufacturing run, plus build-quality that was truly higher than any car before or since, R107s are still available in good numbers. Many of them coming from one-owner garages, at a cost about what you would pay for the lowest tier of today&#8217;s <em>scheisseboxen</em>. So here is that most rare beasts: An affordable, reliable classic car, that provides enjoyable top-down motoring while being relatively inexpensive to buy.</p>
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