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		<title>Piston Slap: Too Cool, or Dex-Cool?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2012 11:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sajeev Mehta</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#160; &#160; Nate writes: Ok, you asked for input and I&#8217;ve got a question about my 2003 Cadillac CTS. I figure I&#8217;m more likely to get a reliable answer from you and the best &#38; brightest of TTAC than the goof balls at Car Talk (this letter is from February-SM), so I&#8217;ll ask. I bought [...]]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://images.thetruthaboutcars.com/2012/08/surefireautocom_dexcool.jpg" rel="lightbox[455524]" title="How not to keep your cool. (courtesy: surefireauto.com)"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-455525" title="How not to keep your cool. (courtesy: surefireauto.com)" src="http://images.thetruthaboutcars.com/2012/08/surefireautocom_dexcool-450x337.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="337" /></a></p>
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<p><em>Nate</em> writes:</p>
<blockquote><p>Ok, you asked for input and I&#8217;ve got a question about my 2003 Cadillac CTS. I figure I&#8217;m more likely to get a reliable answer from you and the best &amp; brightest of TTAC than the goof balls at Car Talk (<em>this letter is from February-SM</em>), so I&#8217;ll ask.<span id="more-455524"></span></p>
<p>I bought this CTS back in November. It had 135,000 miles on the odo, came from a private owner and apparently had significant engine work accomplished a year or so ago apparently as a result of a timing belt failure after it wasn&#8217;t replaced on schedule. Before being able to get the car licensed, I paid to have the thermostat and temp sensor replaced as I had a CEL and a P0128 code and the car wouldn&#8217;t pass inspection with a CEL code. The code came back after just about 1 week.</p>
<p>The CEL will clear if the ambient temps move up above 45-50 degrees but returns when the temps get back down to Utah normals for winter. I&#8217;ve been unable to find an online solution. I&#8217;ve considered installing a temporary partial radiator block, (cardboard &amp; duct tape) to see if that old school fix brings the temp up. The car doesn&#8217;t have a temp gauge- thanks for nothing GM; but seems to warm up the cabin appropriately if not exceptionally fast.</p>
<p>Am I going to have to reset the codes each December before taking this in for emissions inspection or is there a real fix?</p></blockquote>
<p><em>Sajeev</em> answers:</p>
<p>Much like LSX swaps for people wanting to make a slow car fast, much like Panther Love for someone wanting a cheap and durable ride, I pretty much always think Dex-Cool is the problem when certain vintage GM products have temperature control problems.  As this paragraph shows, Dex-Cool is not my friend&#8230;and I am somewhat less goofy than the Car Talk peeps.</p>
<p>On the plus side, <a href="http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-cts-first-generation-forum-2003/98575-throwing-code-p0128-2003-3-2-a.html">others are in your situation and they agree with me</a>. Let&#8217;s face it: the timing belt proves that this car was neglected.  It&#8217;s a safe bet that Dex-Cool was never changed either, possibly topped off with non Dex-Cool compatible fluid too.  So there is a TON of the stuff you see in the photo below. And above. So I suspect that the 1 week grace period you mentioned was the time necessary to re-clog that temperature sensor and cause the P0128 to trip yet again.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d recommend a closer look at your cooling system, probably replacing the radiator too.   Just be careful how aggressively you remove Dex-Cool from the cooling system, you could flush it all out and get a ton of Dex-Cool &#8220;snot&#8221; stuck in the heater core. Which means you no longer have a heater. Which means&#8230;well, have fun removing the interior to get the heater core out. In a Utah winter. Damn, Son&#8230;</p>
<p>Sorry, I wish I saw another way out.  Maybe the B&amp;B can help.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Send your queries to <a href="mailto:sajeev@thetruthaboutcars.com" target="_blank">sajeev@thetruthaboutcars.com</a></em><em>. Spare no details and ask for a speedy resolution if you’re in a hurry.</em></p>
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