Comments on: Strike Two! GM Workers Shut Down Malibu Plant http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/ The Truth About Cars is dedicated to providing candid, unbiased automobile reviews and the latest in auto industry news. Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:25:51 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Sherman Lin http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/comment-page-1/#comment-403241 Sherman Lin Tue, 06 May 2008 07:38:54 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/#comment-403241 Could someone help a brother out - with an explanation that is….. How can there be a ‘National’ contract which has been ratified and then a whole bunch of ‘local’ contracts? Does this mean that GM has to negotiate for each and every facility? Thanks for the feedback I am not an autoworker nor a UAW member but in our union contract certain issues are designated as being negotiated on a local level. As an example how an employee puts in for leave and how it is allocated where I work in St Petersburg is different than it is 20 miles away in Tampa. Those designated issues are negotiated at the local level per our national contract. In our case that means that each local union negotiates with their local management counterpart and not with anybody on a national level. Could someone help a brother out – with an explanation that is…..
How can there be a ‘National’ contract which has been ratified and then a whole bunch of ‘local’ contracts? Does this mean that GM has to negotiate for each and every facility? Thanks for the feedback

I am not an autoworker nor a UAW member but in our union contract certain issues are designated as being negotiated on a local level. As an example how an employee puts in for leave and how it is allocated where I work in St Petersburg is different than it is 20 miles away in Tampa. Those designated issues are negotiated at the local level per our national contract. In our case that means that each local union negotiates with their local management counterpart and not with anybody on a national level.

]]> By: Scottie http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/comment-page-1/#comment-402932 Scottie Tue, 06 May 2008 02:41:16 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/#comment-402932 Hooray!, I got Laid off within after their striking. Great, its hell at some suppliers now too because of their (UAW) inability to have a reasonable pay check. anyone want to go to either the delta twp plant or fairfax plant and throw eggs at the lazy bums? Hooray!, I got Laid off within after their striking.

Great, its hell at some suppliers now too because of their (UAW) inability to have a reasonable pay check.

anyone want to go to either the delta twp plant or fairfax plant and throw eggs at the lazy bums?

]]> By: Facebook User http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/comment-page-1/#comment-402761 Facebook User Tue, 06 May 2008 00:21:58 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/#comment-402761 <em>MikeInCanada : May 5th, 2008 at 5:13 pm Could someone help a brother out - with an explanation that is….. How can there be a ‘National’ contract which has been ratified and then a whole bunch of ‘local’ contracts? Does this mean that GM has to negotiate for each and every facility? Thanks for the feedback </em>My sentiments exactly. What is the purpose of a national contract when you then have to negotiate local contracts on top of that? MikeInCanada :
May 5th, 2008 at 5:13 pm

Could someone help a brother out – with an explanation that is…..

How can there be a ‘National’ contract which has been ratified and then a whole bunch of ‘local’ contracts? Does this mean that GM has to negotiate for each and every facility? Thanks for the feedback

My sentiments exactly. What is the purpose of a national contract when you then have to negotiate local contracts on top of that?

]]> By: oldyak http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/comment-page-1/#comment-402392 oldyak Mon, 05 May 2008 21:36:25 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/#comment-402392 there is a really beautiful Saturn Astra coupe at a dealer that I pass buy every day now for a MONTH!!!! Dont they even have sense enough to rotate stock? This car should have been sold in one week at most??? I am worried....... there is a really beautiful Saturn Astra coupe at a dealer that I pass buy every day now for a MONTH!!!!
Dont they even have sense enough to rotate stock?
This car should have been sold in one week at most???
I am worried…….

]]> By: MikeInCanada http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/comment-page-1/#comment-402322 MikeInCanada Mon, 05 May 2008 21:13:56 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/#comment-402322 Could someone help a brother out - with an explanation that is..... How can there be a 'National' contract which has been ratified and then a whole bunch of 'local' contracts? Does this mean that GM has to negotiate for each and every facility? Thanks for the feedback Could someone help a brother out – with an explanation that is…..

How can there be a ‘National’ contract which has been ratified and then a whole bunch of ‘local’ contracts? Does this mean that GM has to negotiate for each and every facility? Thanks for the feedback

]]> By: joeaverage http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/comment-page-1/#comment-402031 joeaverage Mon, 05 May 2008 19:46:16 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/#comment-402031 Cheaper to build them knowing that eventually they will sell than paying workers to stay home and to idle factories? Cheaper to build them knowing that eventually they will sell than paying workers to stay home and to idle factories?

]]> By: joeaverage http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/comment-page-1/#comment-402022 joeaverage Mon, 05 May 2008 19:45:44 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/#comment-402022 They prob have to build these cars to comply with their dealer agreements. (?) They prob have to build these cars to comply with their dealer agreements. (?)

]]> By: Steve_K http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/comment-page-1/#comment-402011 Steve_K Mon, 05 May 2008 19:41:09 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/#comment-402011 Yay Lake Orion! My Dad was one of the millwright's who constructed the G6/Epsilon platform assembly line there! I LOL when people bash the G6 and praise the Malibu/Aura on driving dynamics. Interiors are another story... Dad has since taken one of the first buyouts and currently collects more pension than most college grads make starting out. Yay Lake Orion! My Dad was one of the millwright’s who constructed the G6/Epsilon platform assembly line there! I LOL when people bash the G6 and praise the Malibu/Aura on driving dynamics. Interiors are another story…

Dad has since taken one of the first buyouts and currently collects more pension than most college grads make starting out.

]]> By: GS650G http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/comment-page-1/#comment-401921 GS650G Mon, 05 May 2008 19:07:29 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/#comment-401921 This a torpedo down a smokestack. Next comes a little more heat on the few lines that are selling well and it's going to get hot over at RenCen This a torpedo down a smokestack. Next comes a little more heat on the few lines that are selling well and it’s going to get hot over at RenCen

]]> By: menno http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/comment-page-1/#comment-401901 menno Mon, 05 May 2008 19:03:35 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/#comment-401901 Wow, Geotpf, those numbers are awful. Yeah, I bet the numbers are significantly higher for the G6 now since I bet they are lower for the Malibu. As I wrote earlier, if GM wants to start having any chance of making a profit at all, maybe they need to actually try to cut back on some of of the crappier cars they produce in lieu of the better ones. I could add this too, and so I will; stop selling so much stuff to the rental agencies. If it isn't making a profit, ditch it. It's not brain surgery; these guys running GM are all supposedly bright-spark, highly educated brainiacs with degrees up the ying yang. But they can't figure out stuff I learned in Junior College while taking Small Business Management classes at age 22 (back in the stone age). Wow, Geotpf, those numbers are awful. Yeah, I bet the numbers are significantly higher for the G6 now since I bet they are lower for the Malibu.

As I wrote earlier, if GM wants to start having any chance of making a profit at all, maybe they need to actually try to cut back on some of of the crappier cars they produce in lieu of the better ones.

I could add this too, and so I will; stop selling so much stuff to the rental agencies. If it isn’t making a profit, ditch it.

It’s not brain surgery; these guys running GM are all supposedly bright-spark, highly educated brainiacs with degrees up the ying yang.

But they can’t figure out stuff I learned in Junior College while taking Small Business Management classes at age 22 (back in the stone age).

]]> By: Geotpf http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/comment-page-1/#comment-401722 Geotpf Mon, 05 May 2008 18:19:01 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/#comment-401722 Raskolnikov-The Pontiac G6 is 40.7% fleet, as of MY 2006 (probably higher now). http://www.automotive-fleet.com/Statistics/StatsViewer.aspx?file=http://www.automotive-fleet.com/fc_resources/stats/26-Registrations.jpg&channel=Vehicle-Research Raskolnikov-The Pontiac G6 is 40.7% fleet, as of MY 2006 (probably higher now).

http://www.automotive-fleet.com/Statistics/StatsViewer.aspx?file=http://www.automotive-fleet.com/fc_resources/stats/26-Registrations.jpg&channel=Vehicle-Research

]]> By: Facebook User http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/comment-page-1/#comment-401472 Facebook User Mon, 05 May 2008 17:13:19 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/#comment-401472 There goes the greedy UAW again...murdering the US Auto industry. There goes the greedy UAW again…murdering the US Auto industry.

]]> By: Raskolnikov http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/comment-page-1/#comment-401432 Raskolnikov Mon, 05 May 2008 17:06:43 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/#comment-401432 <em>"The G6’s greatest customers are Rental and Corporate Fleets - so that explains the increase in sales for such a dud. Don’t also forget the “retail” fleet sales from local dealers that count as GM’s retail #s."</em> Can you back this statement up with some links? “The G6’s greatest customers are Rental and Corporate Fleets – so that explains the increase in sales for such a dud. Don’t also forget the “retail” fleet sales from local dealers that count as GM’s retail #s.”

Can you back this statement up with some links?

]]> By: jaje http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/comment-page-1/#comment-401381 jaje Mon, 05 May 2008 16:58:36 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/#comment-401381 The G6's greatest customers are Rental and Corporate Fleets - so that explains the increase in sales for such a dud. Don't also forget the "retail" fleet sales from local dealers that count as GM's retail #s. The G6’s greatest customers are Rental and Corporate Fleets – so that explains the increase in sales for such a dud. Don’t also forget the “retail” fleet sales from local dealers that count as GM’s retail #s.

]]> By: menno http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/comment-page-1/#comment-401331 menno Mon, 05 May 2008 16:53:44 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/#comment-401331 But Juniper, you could tatoo a Chevrolet bow-tie (or Pontiac arrow emblem) on the ass of an Ass (donkey) and stand it in a GM showroom, and it'd sell to GM faithful. Just because the G6 actually sells to GM buyers doesn't mean it's worth 10 cents.... But Juniper, you could tatoo a Chevrolet bow-tie (or Pontiac arrow emblem) on the ass of an Ass (donkey) and stand it in a GM showroom, and it’d sell to GM faithful.

Just because the G6 actually sells to GM buyers doesn’t mean it’s worth 10 cents….

]]> By: menno http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/comment-page-1/#comment-401291 menno Mon, 05 May 2008 16:49:39 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/#comment-401291 I suppose they could have the Chinese quickly tool up a die for a "Pontiac" grill, dig out the dies for the old "Beaumont" (Canadian "Pontiac" / Malibu-in-drag from the 1960's) and churn a few out... (tongue in cheek alert) I suppose they could have the Chinese quickly tool up a die for a “Pontiac” grill, dig out the dies for the old “Beaumont” (Canadian “Pontiac” / Malibu-in-drag from the 1960’s) and churn a few out… (tongue in cheek alert)

]]> By: Juniper http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/comment-page-1/#comment-401271 Juniper Mon, 05 May 2008 16:47:11 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/#comment-401271 G6 sales are 57000 YTD thru April up 22%. The internet is a wonderful thing. Full of facts and truth if one is willing to look. G6 sales are 57000 YTD thru April up 22%.
The internet is a wonderful thing. Full of facts and truth if one is willing to look.

]]> By: Kevin http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/comment-page-1/#comment-401241 Kevin Mon, 05 May 2008 16:40:08 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/#comment-401241 As long as there is still a domestic U.S. auto industry at all, the union's job isn't done. As long as there is still a domestic U.S. auto industry at all, the union’s job isn’t done.

]]> By: menno http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/comment-page-1/#comment-401232 menno Mon, 05 May 2008 16:39:14 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/#comment-401232 If I were GM, I'd yank the G6 from the production schedule RIGHT NOW and only produce Malibus (since, Lord knows, that seems to be about the only GM car with anything even remotely resembling "buzz" right now). The G6 comes in dead last in comparison after comparison, and Pontiac is a dead brand walking anyway.... I guess the UAW is dead set on suicide as well as corporatacide. May they get what they deserve. If I were GM, I’d yank the G6 from the production schedule RIGHT NOW and only produce Malibus (since, Lord knows, that seems to be about the only GM car with anything even remotely resembling “buzz” right now).

The G6 comes in dead last in comparison after comparison, and Pontiac is a dead brand walking anyway….

I guess the UAW is dead set on suicide as well as corporatacide. May they get what they deserve.

]]> By: Raskolnikov http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/comment-page-1/#comment-401231 Raskolnikov Mon, 05 May 2008 16:38:29 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/#comment-401231 OK....This is a good chance for the General to save some pennies. Let those guys @ Kansas City strike for as long as they want, change the mix at Orion to favor Malibus and keep a chuggin. After a month of living on the $200/week "strike pay" the UAW doles out, they'll be very excited to start that line up again. OK….This is a good chance for the General to save some pennies. Let those guys @ Kansas City strike for as long as they want, change the mix at Orion to favor Malibus and keep a chuggin.

After a month of living on the $200/week “strike pay” the UAW doles out, they’ll be very excited to start that line up again.

]]> By: adonasetb http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/comment-page-1/#comment-401211 adonasetb Mon, 05 May 2008 16:34:37 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/strike-two-gm-workers-shut-down-malibu-plant/#comment-401211 Has anyone noticed that GM isn't selling cars or trucks or SUV's?? Seems like a strike now by the UAW is kicking the chair out from under the dying company. Is that a smart move? So much greed and so few buyers in the showroom. Has anyone noticed that GM isn’t selling cars or trucks or SUV’s?? Seems like a strike now by the UAW is kicking the chair out from under the dying company. Is that a smart move? So much greed and so few buyers in the showroom.

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