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		<title>By: Macca</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/slate-slates-the-slushbox/comment-page-1/#comment-83652</link>
		<dc:creator>Macca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 15:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;I’ve never met EPA highway with an autobox.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Hmmm.  That&#039;s too bad, but I can say that I&#039;ve exceeded EPA ratings with my autos and manuals.  My previous car (an automatic) averaged 27 MPG in town and about 31 on the highway.  EPA ratings when new for were like 23/29 or something like that.  And I didn&#039;t baby it.  

Your recommendation for manual transmissions actually applies to automatics too - if you drive too much like granny, you won&#039;t necessarily improve your mileage.  There&#039;s a fine balance between driving (and accelerating) too slow and too fast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>&#8220;I’ve never met EPA highway with an autobox.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Hmmm.  That&#8217;s too bad, but I can say that I&#8217;ve exceeded EPA ratings with my autos and manuals.  My previous car (an automatic) averaged 27 MPG in town and about 31 on the highway.  EPA ratings when new for were like 23/29 or something like that.  And I didn&#8217;t baby it.  </p>
<p>Your recommendation for manual transmissions actually applies to automatics too &#8211; if you drive too much like granny, you won&#8217;t necessarily improve your mileage.  There&#8217;s a fine balance between driving (and accelerating) too slow and too fast.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: lewissalem</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 13:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what Brandon.  Not gonna happen.  See the nanny State can not force me to drive a certain way to optimize efficiency for &quot;the planet&quot; with my stick.  If Brandon had his way, not recycling would be a $1000 fine and possible jail time.</description>
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		<title>By: Nemphre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nemphre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 08:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never met EPA highway with an autobox.  How could I when every time I drive an auto it starts running past 2200 rpms and I&#039;m yelling at it to &quot;Shift damn it! Shift!!&quot;  Then there&#039;s the whole not being able drop into neutral and just coast.  That drives me absolutely insane.  Does DSG just engine brake if you let off the throttle?  

I&#039;ve broken EPA highway on all my MT cars.  You can bet that I wasn&#039;t even close though during my first month of driving an MT car.  I was actually considering going back to auto for a while.  Now, I&#039;ll never go back.  So you need to hone your skills if you want to be a smooth and efficient operator of the manual transmission.  Once you do, it&#039;s as good as masturbation.  Well, almost.

Here&#039;s a fuel saving tip for people who drive MT.  Use full throttle when you can; it&#039;s more efficient when you&#039;re not choking it for air.  Some ECUs may richen it up though at 100%, so it may be more efficient at 90% or so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I&#8217;ve never met EPA highway with an autobox.  How could I when every time I drive an auto it starts running past 2200 rpms and I&#8217;m yelling at it to &#8220;Shift damn it! Shift!!&#8221;  Then there&#8217;s the whole not being able drop into neutral and just coast.  That drives me absolutely insane.  Does DSG just engine brake if you let off the throttle?  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve broken EPA highway on all my MT cars.  You can bet that I wasn&#8217;t even close though during my first month of driving an MT car.  I was actually considering going back to auto for a while.  Now, I&#8217;ll never go back.  So you need to hone your skills if you want to be a smooth and efficient operator of the manual transmission.  Once you do, it&#8217;s as good as masturbation.  Well, almost.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a fuel saving tip for people who drive MT.  Use full throttle when you can; it&#8217;s more efficient when you&#8217;re not choking it for air.  Some ECUs may richen it up though at 100%, so it may be more efficient at 90% or so.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Macca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Macca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 23:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like others have already mentioned, many automatics are more efficient than their manual-shift brethren.  DBW is one reason, as is of course the gearing of the standard transmissions.

I spent my first seven years of driving with a stick-shift.  It was a blast, and I recall saying things like &quot;I won&#039;t own an automatic until I need my hip replaced...&quot; when I was in high school.  Once I grew up and got a job, complete with a hectic commute, things changed.  Suddenly the fun of flicking through the gears had changed into unbelievably long periods of time spent in rush-hour, never-go-faster-than-15MPH traffic.  

It was at this point that I decided that I needed my commuter to be an automatic.  Although at the time I used to think that an automatic transmission sucked all the fun out of driving, I&#039;ve now learned that I enjoy different aspects of driving just as much.  When I hit my mid-life crisis and need a little Miata or S2000 to cheer myself up, however, I&#039;ll definitely enjoy shifting my own gears on a weekend drive through some twisty blacktop.

But yes, as someone else already mentioned, this author should have campaigned against the urban-SUV instead of the automatic transmission.  It&#039;s hardly the efficiency killer that it used to be, and is exactly the opposite in many newer models.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Like others have already mentioned, many automatics are more efficient than their manual-shift brethren.  DBW is one reason, as is of course the gearing of the standard transmissions.</p>
<p>I spent my first seven years of driving with a stick-shift.  It was a blast, and I recall saying things like &#8220;I won&#8217;t own an automatic until I need my hip replaced&#8230;&#8221; when I was in high school.  Once I grew up and got a job, complete with a hectic commute, things changed.  Suddenly the fun of flicking through the gears had changed into unbelievably long periods of time spent in rush-hour, never-go-faster-than-15MPH traffic.  </p>
<p>It was at this point that I decided that I needed my commuter to be an automatic.  Although at the time I used to think that an automatic transmission sucked all the fun out of driving, I&#8217;ve now learned that I enjoy different aspects of driving just as much.  When I hit my mid-life crisis and need a little Miata or S2000 to cheer myself up, however, I&#8217;ll definitely enjoy shifting my own gears on a weekend drive through some twisty blacktop.</p>
<p>But yes, as someone else already mentioned, this author should have campaigned against the urban-SUV instead of the automatic transmission.  It&#8217;s hardly the efficiency killer that it used to be, and is exactly the opposite in many newer models.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: rpn453</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Sammy Hagar : 
October 31st, 2007 at 1:15 pm 


The problem w/using EPA tranny stats is that the A/T numbers are reproducible by all users, as the shifts are electronically controlled, while manual numbers aren’t because the EPA uses professional drivers. I’m sorry, but I don’t think GTIBoyRacerGuy who learned to drive a stick in a Kmart parking lot has fuel maximization skills in check.&lt;/i&gt;

The A/T numbers are no more reproducible than the M/T numbers when the driver only knows how to get from red light to red light as quickly as possible.  I think there is just as high of a percentage of A/T drivers as M/T drivers who don&#039;t know how to or don&#039;t care to drive for efficiency.

I&#039;m an M/T driver who averages well above the EPA highway rating, but Slate is definitely out to lunch on this subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><i>Sammy Hagar :<br />
October 31st, 2007 at 1:15 pm </p>
<p>The problem w/using EPA tranny stats is that the A/T numbers are reproducible by all users, as the shifts are electronically controlled, while manual numbers aren’t because the EPA uses professional drivers. I’m sorry, but I don’t think GTIBoyRacerGuy who learned to drive a stick in a Kmart parking lot has fuel maximization skills in check.</i></p>
<p>The A/T numbers are no more reproducible than the M/T numbers when the driver only knows how to get from red light to red light as quickly as possible.  I think there is just as high of a percentage of A/T drivers as M/T drivers who don&#8217;t know how to or don&#8217;t care to drive for efficiency.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m an M/T driver who averages well above the EPA highway rating, but Slate is definitely out to lunch on this subject.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: phil</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>carlisimo is right; MPG is a function of RPM, that&#039;s why 400hp corvettes can get high 20&#039;s on the freeway, they have a very low 6th gear and can cruise at 1800 RPM all day long.  the auto vs stick is a tired old argument that is much more interesting as a performance discussion than a MPG discussion.  i&#039;ve recently switched from a 6 speed manual to a 7 speed auto, both high performance cars, and have to say i miss the true manual; the little silver flippers on the steering wheel are just not the same.  but when the traffic clogs up the auto is a dream.  so you just have to own a minimum of 2 cars!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->carlisimo is right; MPG is a function of RPM, that&#8217;s why 400hp corvettes can get high 20&#8217;s on the freeway, they have a very low 6th gear and can cruise at 1800 RPM all day long.  the auto vs stick is a tired old argument that is much more interesting as a performance discussion than a MPG discussion.  i&#8217;ve recently switched from a 6 speed manual to a 7 speed auto, both high performance cars, and have to say i miss the true manual; the little silver flippers on the steering wheel are just not the same.  but when the traffic clogs up the auto is a dream.  so you just have to own a minimum of 2 cars!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: carlisimo</title>
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		<dc:creator>carlisimo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s silly. 

I drive a manual transmission because it makes the high-RPM range so much more accessible to me.  If I were falling asleep in an automatic I&#039;d probably drive much more calmly and save lots of gas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->That&#8217;s silly. </p>
<p>I drive a manual transmission because it makes the high-RPM range so much more accessible to me.  If I were falling asleep in an automatic I&#8217;d probably drive much more calmly and save lots of gas.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: William C Montgomery</title>
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		<dc:creator>William C Montgomery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“…And manual transmissions are relatively cheap to fix and replace, so you can wait longer to buy a new vehicle.”

As a previous reader pointed out, Slate’s Brendan I. Koerner is stuck in the ’70.  Perhaps he wrote this ignorant drivel in the throes of a flashback.  Most new automatic transmissions outlast the engines they are mated to.  Many are good for half a million miles.  They certainly require less maintenance than the DIY variety.  People simply aren’t swapping old for new cars every third year because of transmission problems.</description>
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<p>As a previous reader pointed out, Slate’s Brendan I. Koerner is stuck in the ’70.  Perhaps he wrote this ignorant drivel in the throes of a flashback.  Most new automatic transmissions outlast the engines they are mated to.  Many are good for half a million miles.  They certainly require less maintenance than the DIY variety.  People simply aren’t swapping old for new cars every third year because of transmission problems.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Cavendel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cavendel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I drive an Acura EL (civic in a tux), and I find that the engine revs quite high at 3200-4000 on the highway. This is with a 5 speed manual. A friend has the same car with the auto, and it is 4 or 5 hundred revs lower.

I figure that Honda doesn&#039;t trust people to downshift a manual if the revs get too low, so they won&#039;t put a tall 5th gear on the car.

As a side note, I recently switched from 195/55/16 tires to 205/40/17 tires (with new wheels), and I&#039;ve noticed a big drop in fuel efficiency. I used to get 650 to 700 km per tank, now I&#039;m lucky to get 600. Driving habits and car maintenance seem to play a bigger role than transmission selection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I drive an Acura EL (civic in a tux), and I find that the engine revs quite high at 3200-4000 on the highway. This is with a 5 speed manual. A friend has the same car with the auto, and it is 4 or 5 hundred revs lower.</p>
<p>I figure that Honda doesn&#8217;t trust people to downshift a manual if the revs get too low, so they won&#8217;t put a tall 5th gear on the car.</p>
<p>As a side note, I recently switched from 195/55/16 tires to 205/40/17 tires (with new wheels), and I&#8217;ve noticed a big drop in fuel efficiency. I used to get 650 to 700 km per tank, now I&#8217;m lucky to get 600. Driving habits and car maintenance seem to play a bigger role than transmission selection.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: miked</title>
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		<dc:creator>miked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian E:&quot; In a DBW throttle car, a slushbox ought to get better mileage than a manual. Yes, it used to be the other way around, but these days letting the transmission think for you is best for efficiency.&quot;

Yeah, I&#039;m trying to learn that now.  I just bought my first automatic ever, and my first DBW car.  After about a month of fussing and experimenting, if finally discovered that the car works best when I just leave it in D and slam the go pedal to the ground when the light turns green.  The computer does the rest.  Sad but true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Brian E:&#8221; In a DBW throttle car, a slushbox ought to get better mileage than a manual. Yes, it used to be the other way around, but these days letting the transmission think for you is best for efficiency.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, I&#8217;m trying to learn that now.  I just bought my first automatic ever, and my first DBW car.  After about a month of fussing and experimenting, if finally discovered that the car works best when I just leave it in D and slam the go pedal to the ground when the light turns green.  The computer does the rest.  Sad but true.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Sammy Hagar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sammy Hagar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem w/using EPA tranny stats is that the A/T numbers are reproducible by all users, as the shifts are electronically controlled, while manual numbers aren&#039;t because the EPA uses professional drivers.  I&#039;m sorry, but I don&#039;t think GTIBoyRacerGuy who learned to drive a stick in a Kmart parking lot has fuel maximization skills in check.  BTW:  Nice to see Slate is cranking out material USAToday would be proud of;  way to go, Stephen Glass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->The problem w/using EPA tranny stats is that the A/T numbers are reproducible by all users, as the shifts are electronically controlled, while manual numbers aren&#8217;t because the EPA uses professional drivers.  I&#8217;m sorry, but I don&#8217;t think GTIBoyRacerGuy who learned to drive a stick in a Kmart parking lot has fuel maximization skills in check.  BTW:  Nice to see Slate is cranking out material USAToday would be proud of;  way to go, Stephen Glass.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: David Holzman</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Holzman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Brendan Koerner can convince a few slate readers to switch to DIY, it will make me happy even if it doesn&#039;t do much to reduce global heating. I worry about manny trannies disappearing entirely from North America. Of course, for Wash. DC dwellers like Koerner, there is another good reason to switch: most of the potential car thieves dn&#039;t know how to drive manual. Someone tried to steal a friend&#039;s car and apparently had just that problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->If Brendan Koerner can convince a few slate readers to switch to DIY, it will make me happy even if it doesn&#8217;t do much to reduce global heating. I worry about manny trannies disappearing entirely from North America. Of course, for Wash. DC dwellers like Koerner, there is another good reason to switch: most of the potential car thieves dn&#8217;t know how to drive manual. Someone tried to steal a friend&#8217;s car and apparently had just that problem.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: EEGeek</title>
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		<dc:creator>EEGeek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aside from mileage (which depends on gearing), improved reliability, and lower repair cost, no one has mentioned the initial purchase cost advantage of a manual transmission.  On average for the Corolla, Accord, and Fusion, the AT option adds $825 to the MSRP.  Perhaps that&#039;s not a huge deal on a $28K loaded Accord, but an extra $900 on a base Yaris...

For me, I like the control that the clutch provides, but if I had to deal with bumper-bumper traffic all the time, I&#039;d probably opt for a DSG.</description>
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<p>For me, I like the control that the clutch provides, but if I had to deal with bumper-bumper traffic all the time, I&#8217;d probably opt for a DSG.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: argentla</title>
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		<dc:creator>argentla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All else being equal, a transmission with a mechanical clutch (manual, DSG) will be more efficient than a transmission with a fluid clutch (fluid coupling/torque converter) simply because of fluid losses. All else is not necessarily equal. Highway mileage, for example, depends in large part on final drive gearing. Some autoboxes have noticeably taller top gears than their manual equivalents, sometimes because the automaker assumes that people buying the manual are going to be more aggressive drivers. 

In-town mileage depends wildly on driving style and transmission programming. The last time I had to rent a car, for example, I ended up with a Hyundai Elantra. Despite its modest (2.0L) engine, it got dreadful in-town mileage, worse by more than 10% than my 2.3L Mazda. The problem was that its shift schedule was set up so that it would rush into top gear as quickly as possible (which would be good for fuel economy, except) and then downshift one or two gears at the slightest provocation for more power and stay there until you lifted the throttle. Downshifts were very smooth -- in a manner indicative of a lot of slushiness in the converter and clutch engagements -- and if I wasn&#039;t watching the tach it would consistently be one gear too low, buzzing along at more than 3,000 rpm. I had to be very cautious about feather-footing the throttle to stay in an appropriate gear. 

It was an excellent reminder of the principle that just because somebody does something &lt;i&gt;for&lt;/i&gt; you doesn&#039;t mean they do it &lt;i&gt;well&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->All else being equal, a transmission with a mechanical clutch (manual, DSG) will be more efficient than a transmission with a fluid clutch (fluid coupling/torque converter) simply because of fluid losses. All else is not necessarily equal. Highway mileage, for example, depends in large part on final drive gearing. Some autoboxes have noticeably taller top gears than their manual equivalents, sometimes because the automaker assumes that people buying the manual are going to be more aggressive drivers. </p>
<p>In-town mileage depends wildly on driving style and transmission programming. The last time I had to rent a car, for example, I ended up with a Hyundai Elantra. Despite its modest (2.0L) engine, it got dreadful in-town mileage, worse by more than 10% than my 2.3L Mazda. The problem was that its shift schedule was set up so that it would rush into top gear as quickly as possible (which would be good for fuel economy, except) and then downshift one or two gears at the slightest provocation for more power and stay there until you lifted the throttle. Downshifts were very smooth &#8212; in a manner indicative of a lot of slushiness in the converter and clutch engagements &#8212; and if I wasn&#8217;t watching the tach it would consistently be one gear too low, buzzing along at more than 3,000 rpm. I had to be very cautious about feather-footing the throttle to stay in an appropriate gear. </p>
<p>It was an excellent reminder of the principle that just because somebody does something <i>for</i> you doesn&#8217;t mean they do it <i>well</i>.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Brian E</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/slate-slates-the-slushbox/comment-page-1/#comment-83332</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a DBW throttle car, a slushbox ought to get better mileage than a manual. Yes, it used to be the other way around, but these days letting the transmission think for you is best for efficiency.

Of course, fun is a different matter. The holy grail is to switch back and forth depending on need. VW&#039;s DSG answers the call, but I&#039;ll hold off on being an early adopter given VW&#039;s reliability history. If the rumors of a DSG-style tranny in the next TSX are true, I&#039;ll trade in my slushbox-equipped model when the loan is up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->In a DBW throttle car, a slushbox ought to get better mileage than a manual. Yes, it used to be the other way around, but these days letting the transmission think for you is best for efficiency.</p>
<p>Of course, fun is a different matter. The holy grail is to switch back and forth depending on need. VW&#8217;s DSG answers the call, but I&#8217;ll hold off on being an early adopter given VW&#8217;s reliability history. If the rumors of a DSG-style tranny in the next TSX are true, I&#8217;ll trade in my slushbox-equipped model when the loan is up.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Robert Schwartz</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/slate-slates-the-slushbox/comment-page-1/#comment-83322</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IIRC, some time ago (at least 3 templates) Our Fearless Leader, Mr. Farago, opined that slushboxes were more fuel efficient in the real world than manny trannys.

Besides how can you shift while you are drinking a latte and talking on the phone.</description>
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<p>Besides how can you shift while you are drinking a latte and talking on the phone.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Heep</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/slate-slates-the-slushbox/comment-page-1/#comment-83306</link>
		<dc:creator>Heep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had to laugh while in the McDonald&#039;s drive-through last week.  The lady in the Corolla in front of me would shut off her engine immediately after moving, presumably in an effort to conserve fuel/reduce emissions.  OK, fine; unfortunately, she was horribly useless with a clutch.  The routine of moving ahead in line was somewhat like this: Start car, rev to 2500, slowly release clutch, stop, shut off engine.

I got the feeling she was doing more bad than good.

Anyways, as was mentioned, it really all comes down to how you drive.  I suspect an automatic gearbox is more efficient for more people more of the time, but I also suspect a capable and concentrating frugal driver could easily do better with a manual gearbox.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I had to laugh while in the McDonald&#8217;s drive-through last week.  The lady in the Corolla in front of me would shut off her engine immediately after moving, presumably in an effort to conserve fuel/reduce emissions.  OK, fine; unfortunately, she was horribly useless with a clutch.  The routine of moving ahead in line was somewhat like this: Start car, rev to 2500, slowly release clutch, stop, shut off engine.</p>
<p>I got the feeling she was doing more bad than good.</p>
<p>Anyways, as was mentioned, it really all comes down to how you drive.  I suspect an automatic gearbox is more efficient for more people more of the time, but I also suspect a capable and concentrating frugal driver could easily do better with a manual gearbox.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: shaker</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/slate-slates-the-slushbox/comment-page-1/#comment-83302</link>
		<dc:creator>shaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I prefer a manual tranny merely because there is no formula for a &quot;bullet-proof&quot; autobox. If you drive a stick very carefully, you can eke out more mileage in a &quot;suburban&quot; situation, but the modern &quot;slushbox&quot; in a mid-size car is pretty darn good for efficiency in all other scenarios (even with the added weight).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I prefer a manual tranny merely because there is no formula for a &#8220;bullet-proof&#8221; autobox. If you drive a stick very carefully, you can eke out more mileage in a &#8220;suburban&#8221; situation, but the modern &#8220;slushbox&#8221; in a mid-size car is pretty darn good for efficiency in all other scenarios (even with the added weight).<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Virtual Insanity</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/slate-slates-the-slushbox/comment-page-1/#comment-83298</link>
		<dc:creator>Virtual Insanity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, the tranny going is one thing I am not looking forward to...</description>
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		<title>By: Antone</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/slate-slates-the-slushbox/comment-page-1/#comment-83268</link>
		<dc:creator>Antone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It’s just more fun to drive a nice manual shifting automobile… Lately I really into handbrake usage also. You know it’s a good car if you pull the handbrake while moving and it doesn’t ding or set-off dash board light emergencies…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->It’s just more fun to drive a nice manual shifting automobile… Lately I really into handbrake usage also. You know it’s a good car if you pull the handbrake while moving and it doesn’t ding or set-off dash board light emergencies…<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: radimus</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/slate-slates-the-slushbox/comment-page-1/#comment-83269</link>
		<dc:creator>radimus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;And manual transmissions are relatively cheap to fix and replace&lt;/em&gt;

I see that Mr. Koerner has never received a quote on the labor charge to just remove and reinstall ANY transmission in a FWD vehicle.  Once he does he&#039;ll understand why most places don&#039;t repair automatic transaxles anymore and prefer to just swap them with reman&#039;d units.

And as long as I have to slog my way through stop-n-go traffic five days a week I&#039;ll happily spend that supposed 15% in extra gas to avoid the hassle of farting with a clutch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>And manual transmissions are relatively cheap to fix and replace</em></p>
<p>I see that Mr. Koerner has never received a quote on the labor charge to just remove and reinstall ANY transmission in a FWD vehicle.  Once he does he&#8217;ll understand why most places don&#8217;t repair automatic transaxles anymore and prefer to just swap them with reman&#8217;d units.</p>
<p>And as long as I have to slog my way through stop-n-go traffic five days a week I&#8217;ll happily spend that supposed 15% in extra gas to avoid the hassle of farting with a clutch.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Virtual Insanity</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/slate-slates-the-slushbox/comment-page-1/#comment-83262</link>
		<dc:creator>Virtual Insanity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My car gets piss poor miliage and its a six cog DIY swapper.

Of course, I have fallen in love with the sound of my turbo spooling up, so I tend not to be light of foot.  Actually, on this last tank, I got about 300 miles out.  Not bad based on how I like to drive.</description>
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<p>Of course, I have fallen in love with the sound of my turbo spooling up, so I tend not to be light of foot.  Actually, on this last tank, I got about 300 miles out.  Not bad based on how I like to drive.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: guyincognito</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/slate-slates-the-slushbox/comment-page-1/#comment-83257</link>
		<dc:creator>guyincognito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sweet! Now I can act all green cuz I drive a manual!</description>
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		<title>By: jazbo123</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/slate-slates-the-slushbox/comment-page-1/#comment-83253</link>
		<dc:creator>jazbo123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since the advent of the lockup TC and electronic powertrain controls, that argument is not really valid. This guy is spouting 1970s information.

Harldy surprising though, in my experience the mass media rarely if ever get technical issues right. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Since the advent of the lockup TC and electronic powertrain controls, that argument is not really valid. This guy is spouting 1970s information.</p>
<p>Harldy surprising though, in my experience the mass media rarely if ever get technical issues right.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: beetlebug</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/slate-slates-the-slushbox/comment-page-1/#comment-83244</link>
		<dc:creator>beetlebug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two words: Driving Habits. Obviously, I get worse MPG flooring my car all the time then Mr. Normal does driving with a light foot. I think that most of this stuff is hogwash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Two words: Driving Habits. Obviously, I get worse MPG flooring my car all the time then Mr. Normal does driving with a light foot. I think that most of this stuff is hogwash.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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