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		<title>By: brush</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/sin-city-hummer-dealer-dies-a-death/comment-page-1/#comment-753582</link>
		<dc:creator>brush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 06:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try this tack

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		<title>By: eggsalad</title>
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		<dc:creator>eggsalad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 05:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, I reported this on TTAC over a week ago.</description>
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		<title>By: RedStapler</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/sin-city-hummer-dealer-dies-a-death/comment-page-1/#comment-753111</link>
		<dc:creator>RedStapler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 01:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree 100%. It could have gone differently had they treated it as the niche brand that it always should have been. The H1 was allowed to die on the vine.  

It would have been awesome if they offered a true competitor to the Jeep Wrangler.  They would have co-evolved and expanded the off road world.  

As it is GM just  milked it to death with an overpriced Tahoe MILFmobiles. 



&lt;em&gt; Ingvar:
Truth: Hummer as a brand died when GM buried the original H1.

Had GM continued believing in the brand, they wouldn’t have killed the only car that was true to the brands core values. H2 and H3 are poseur pieces of shit. With fake snorkels. Had GM continued investing in proper r&amp;d, we would have an updated H1, or perhaps by 2010, an altogether new car that could have been the ultimate off-roader. The true King of the Hill. And there’s always a market for that kind of car, at any price. But only if it is the best there ever was. Corporate mismangament and lack of proper r&amp;d runs havoc through the company. Now as then.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I agree 100%. It could have gone differently had they treated it as the niche brand that it always should have been. The H1 was allowed to die on the vine.  </p>
<p>It would have been awesome if they offered a true competitor to the Jeep Wrangler.  They would have co-evolved and expanded the off road world.  </p>
<p>As it is GM just  milked it to death with an overpriced Tahoe MILFmobiles. </p>
<p><em> Ingvar:<br />
Truth: Hummer as a brand died when GM buried the original H1.</p>
<p>Had GM continued believing in the brand, they wouldn’t have killed the only car that was true to the brands core values. H2 and H3 are poseur pieces of shit. With fake snorkels. Had GM continued investing in proper r&amp;d, we would have an updated H1, or perhaps by 2010, an altogether new car that could have been the ultimate off-roader. The true King of the Hill. And there’s always a market for that kind of car, at any price. But only if it is the best there ever was. Corporate mismangament and lack of proper r&amp;d runs havoc through the company. Now as then.</em><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: RedStapler</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/sin-city-hummer-dealer-dies-a-death/comment-page-1/#comment-753071</link>
		<dc:creator>RedStapler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 01:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen: 

The Hummer Franchise in Reno is owned by Winkel Motors who also has a GMC/Pontiac and Saturn Store at the same location.</description>
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<p>The Hummer Franchise in Reno is owned by Winkel Motors who also has a GMC/Pontiac and Saturn Store at the same location.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Ingvar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ingvar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;From arguably being the coolest vehicle on the road to becoming incredibly un-chic because of $4/gal gas prices and the green movement.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Another GM Fact vs Fiction:

&lt;strong&gt;Truth:&lt;/strong&gt; Hummer as a brand died when GM buried the original H1. 

Had GM continued believing in the brand, they wouldn&#039;t have killed the only car that was true to the brands core values. H2 and H3 are poseur pieces of shit. With fake snorkels. Had GM continued investing in proper r&amp;d, we would have an updated H1, or perhaps by 2010, an altogether new car that could have been the ultimate off-roader. The true King of the Hill. And there&#039;s always a market for that kind of car, at any price. But only if it is the best there ever was. Corporate mismangament and lack of proper r&amp;d runs havoc through the company. Now as then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>&#8220;From arguably being the coolest vehicle on the road to becoming incredibly un-chic because of $4/gal gas prices and the green movement.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Another GM Fact vs Fiction:</p>
<p><strong>Truth:</strong> Hummer as a brand died when GM buried the original H1. </p>
<p>Had GM continued believing in the brand, they wouldn&#8217;t have killed the only car that was true to the brands core values. H2 and H3 are poseur pieces of shit. With fake snorkels. Had GM continued investing in proper r&amp;d, we would have an updated H1, or perhaps by 2010, an altogether new car that could have been the ultimate off-roader. The true King of the Hill. And there&#8217;s always a market for that kind of car, at any price. But only if it is the best there ever was. Corporate mismangament and lack of proper r&amp;d runs havoc through the company. Now as then.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: NickR</title>
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		<dc:creator>NickR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 17:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;My wife navigated for him in the 1000 a couple of years ago&lt;/em&gt;

That&#039;s some kind of awesome wife!</description>
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		<title>By: Landcrusher</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/sin-city-hummer-dealer-dies-a-death/comment-page-1/#comment-751101</link>
		<dc:creator>Landcrusher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this may be more about Vegas than Hummer.

The present Vegas biz model depends on a good economy to get customers and easy credit to build ever newer, bigger, and cheezier attractions.

I only ever go there when it&#039;s for business, or someone close to me chooses to celebrate something there. I now have no place to stay because they blew up the only place I had found with any class - The Desert Inn.

Would the last person leaving Vegas turn out the lights?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I think this may be more about Vegas than Hummer.</p>
<p>The present Vegas biz model depends on a good economy to get customers and easy credit to build ever newer, bigger, and cheezier attractions.</p>
<p>I only ever go there when it&#8217;s for business, or someone close to me chooses to celebrate something there. I now have no place to stay because they blew up the only place I had found with any class &#8211; The Desert Inn.</p>
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		<title>By: TriShield</title>
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		<dc:creator>TriShield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GM squanders and destroys every brand they get their hands on.

They have virtually killed all of their own, killed Saab and now have killed possibly the most iconic modern brand in thier stable with what they did to HUMMER.

What TTAC says often is true, things will only get better from the top down with American automakers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->GM squanders and destroys every brand they get their hands on.</p>
<p>They have virtually killed all of their own, killed Saab and now have killed possibly the most iconic modern brand in thier stable with what they did to HUMMER.</p>
<p>What TTAC says often is true, things will only get better from the top down with American automakers.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: fred diesel</title>
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		<dc:creator>fred diesel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best was, a month or two ago, TV ad mentioned &quot;85% recyclable&quot;. Go GMrencengeniuses.</description>
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		<title>By: mel23</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/sin-city-hummer-dealer-dies-a-death/comment-page-1/#comment-750851</link>
		<dc:creator>mel23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Had GM already killed Olds when Hummer was born? At any rate, GM had certainly demonstrated their willingness to starve a brand thus starving dealers. And did the dealer thinking about handing over whatever to GM for a franchise and agreeing to build to suit for GM, give a moment&#039;s thought to what would happen WHEN gas prices went up again? I feel for a lot of dealers who have done right by their customers for many years, but I don&#039;t feel for Hummer dealers.</description>
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		<title>By: billc83</title>
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		<dc:creator>billc83</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an odd ten or so years it&#039;s been for the Hummer brand.  From being birthed as a civilian entity (with Schwarzenneger in the delivery room, no less!) and now possible death.  From arguably being the coolest vehicle on the road to becoming incredibly un-chic because of $4/gal gas prices and the green movement.

From the looks of it, this appeared to be a standalone Hummer dealership; I can understand their pain!  Around here (Seattle area), I think all them are Cadillac-Hummer dealerships now.  Keeping a Hummer dealership around would be tough indeed.</description>
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<p>From the looks of it, this appeared to be a standalone Hummer dealership; I can understand their pain!  Around here (Seattle area), I think all them are Cadillac-Hummer dealerships now.  Keeping a Hummer dealership around would be tough indeed.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Usta Bee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Usta Bee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I was a dealer and I saw the sales numbers, plus GM&#039;s comments about pulling the plug on the brand, I&#039;d be closing up shop too. With all the rumors flying around this past summer imagine what the dealers must be going through with talk of the company being sold off to Indians or Russians.</description>
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		<title>By: nudave</title>
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		<dc:creator>nudave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Further proof that when things get tough, even before cutting back on the unnecessary, people will forfeit the ridiculous.</description>
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		<title>By: Stephan Wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/sin-city-hummer-dealer-dies-a-death/comment-page-1/#comment-750591</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephan Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, wait, I&#039;m wrong.  Rod&#039;s dealership is in REno.</description>
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		<title>By: Stephan Wilkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephan Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe the co-owner of Towbin is Rod Hall, the frequent Baja 1000 class winner (he holds the number-of-times record).  My wife navigated for him in the 1000 a couple of years ago, and the two of us and Rod retraced much of the route of the original 1000 a year ago.  So not only is it the &quot;perfect&quot; Hummer dealership but a principal is the guy who runs the most successful Hummer off-road team in the world.</description>
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		<title>By: aunt jemima</title>
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		<dc:creator>aunt jemima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t Towbin the same guy that did the &quot;King of Cars&quot; reality show with the Dodge dealership? I believe there was an episode when they launched the Hummer dealership to a big party &amp; lots of fanfare.

I wonder how the Dodge dealership is doing? Maybe that explains why they don&#039;t have the reality show any more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Isn&#8217;t Towbin the same guy that did the &#8220;King of Cars&#8221; reality show with the Dodge dealership? I believe there was an episode when they launched the Hummer dealership to a big party &amp; lots of fanfare.</p>
<p>I wonder how the Dodge dealership is doing? Maybe that explains why they don&#8217;t have the reality show any more.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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