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	<title>Comments on: Saturn Vue Review</title>
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		<title>By: ronjr123</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/saturn-vue-review/comment-page-2/#comment-126502</link>
		<dc:creator>ronjr123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 07:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently drove one of these as a rental in Florida for ten days and I tell you what....&lt;strong&gt;I Hated IT!!&lt;/strong&gt;

It was the base model with the 4 cyl and 4 speed auto.  On the flat FL highways, it could not get out of its own way fast enough.  It was a dog on the highway.

The cruise control in this ute could not keep a constant speed no matter how hard it tried.  Set the cruise at 75, and it would coast until it hit 70, then downshift and accelerate(?) until it reached 80, then upshift and do it all over again.  It was terrible.

As for the looks, I like the exterior (it could be mistaken for a CR-V in the nose), but the interior I did not appreciate.  The seats were uncomfortable for a long ride and orange(?) dashlighting was irrating. The radio display would completely wash out in the day light.

As my wife drives an 08 CR-V, there is no comparison.  I would not recommend this, atleast in the 4 cyl model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I recently drove one of these as a rental in Florida for ten days and I tell you what&#8230;.<strong>I Hated IT!!</strong></p>
<p>It was the base model with the 4 cyl and 4 speed auto.  On the flat FL highways, it could not get out of its own way fast enough.  It was a dog on the highway.</p>
<p>The cruise control in this ute could not keep a constant speed no matter how hard it tried.  Set the cruise at 75, and it would coast until it hit 70, then downshift and accelerate(?) until it reached 80, then upshift and do it all over again.  It was terrible.</p>
<p>As for the looks, I like the exterior (it could be mistaken for a CR-V in the nose), but the interior I did not appreciate.  The seats were uncomfortable for a long ride and orange(?) dashlighting was irrating. The radio display would completely wash out in the day light.</p>
<p>As my wife drives an 08 CR-V, there is no comparison.  I would not recommend this, atleast in the 4 cyl model.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: mkirk</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/saturn-vue-review/comment-page-2/#comment-65441</link>
		<dc:creator>mkirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, just read the Highlander review and now this.  Let me get this straight, The Toyota has a cheap, ill-fitting interior while Kudos are given to...A SATURN.  I looked at both, and I do not disagree, I am just concerned I am not ready for the surely coming apocolypse.  Incidentally, when It&#039;s too cold for my KLR650 I drive a stone reliable 1995 SW1...You know, one of the bad old Saturn&#039;s the dealer likes to hide when I show up for service with 220,000 miles.  A nice interior would NOT be my first thought when driving it, now in my wifes 02 Vue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Wow, just read the Highlander review and now this.  Let me get this straight, The Toyota has a cheap, ill-fitting interior while Kudos are given to&#8230;A SATURN.  I looked at both, and I do not disagree, I am just concerned I am not ready for the surely coming apocolypse.  Incidentally, when It&#8217;s too cold for my KLR650 I drive a stone reliable 1995 SW1&#8230;You know, one of the bad old Saturn&#8217;s the dealer likes to hide when I show up for service with 220,000 miles.  A nice interior would NOT be my first thought when driving it, now in my wifes 02 Vue.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: tankd0g</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/saturn-vue-review/comment-page-1/#comment-62660</link>
		<dc:creator>tankd0g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least it doesn&#039;t have a CVT.  I hope that little experiment in marketing and penny pinching goes away completely soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->At least it doesn&#8217;t have a CVT.  I hope that little experiment in marketing and penny pinching goes away completely soon.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: svensk</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/saturn-vue-review/comment-page-1/#comment-62633</link>
		<dc:creator>svensk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 05:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My old man leased the high end Outlook XR and man what a nice vehicle. Good to see the Vue might live up to the standards of it&#039;s big brother. 
And fyi: GM tends to underrate their fuel economy as of late. I would wait to see what some real world fuel economy test results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->My old man leased the high end Outlook XR and man what a nice vehicle. Good to see the Vue might live up to the standards of it&#8217;s big brother.<br />
And fyi: GM tends to underrate their fuel economy as of late. I would wait to see what some real world fuel economy test results.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Bubba Gump</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/saturn-vue-review/comment-page-1/#comment-62619</link>
		<dc:creator>Bubba Gump</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 01:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another informational fact is that the previous Saturn Vue sales target was 50,000 from its inception. That platform handly beat that by 25,000 from the get go and never looked back so breakpoint being 50,000 then it made money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Another informational fact is that the previous Saturn Vue sales target was 50,000 from its inception. That platform handly beat that by 25,000 from the get go and never looked back so breakpoint being 50,000 then it made money.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Bubba Gump</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/saturn-vue-review/comment-page-1/#comment-62617</link>
		<dc:creator>Bubba Gump</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 01:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way Justin
Nice review, fair and honest.</description>
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Nice review, fair and honest.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Bubba Gump</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/saturn-vue-review/comment-page-1/#comment-62616</link>
		<dc:creator>Bubba Gump</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 01:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a GMNA engineer who contributed to the design and development of that vehicle I can assure you that is accurate. 

The diesels Opel uses are not Opel designs per se. Opel generally does zero engine design and zero transmission. The diesels they use are designed outside Opel by other manufacturers such as VM for example. They have used Getrag transmissions for years such as the F35 and F40
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->As a GMNA engineer who contributed to the design and development of that vehicle I can assure you that is accurate. </p>
<p>The diesels Opel uses are not Opel designs per se. Opel generally does zero engine design and zero transmission. The diesels they use are designed outside Opel by other manufacturers such as VM for example. They have used Getrag transmissions for years such as the F35 and F40<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Bubba Gump</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/saturn-vue-review/comment-page-1/#comment-62615</link>
		<dc:creator>Bubba Gump</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 01:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well done korea! Well done Germany! Well done usa? why? what has it got to do with gm or usa? nothing. the car is completely constructed by daewoo. some engine and tranny options are german opel.


I beg to differ with this opinion. I&#039;ll list some facts because this is a significantly incorrect assumption.

1 The Drawing and Clay was done in the Opel Studio. This is not in question. 
2.GM Patac did the final interior/exterior/chassis design in conjunction
with GMNA
3. The V6 engines are 100% GMNA Powertrain designs as are the transmissions.
4 The 4 cylinder is a Lotus/Opel design 5 generations removed and redesigned by Saturn GM Powertrain and then GMNA Powertrain.
5 All the electronic hardware and wiring are 100% GMNA designed.
6 Electronic software is a modification from 100% GMNA scripts rewritten by Canadian GM engineers.

So to answer the question as to what did GMNA contribute. There you go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->well done korea! Well done Germany! Well done usa? why? what has it got to do with gm or usa? nothing. the car is completely constructed by daewoo. some engine and tranny options are german opel.</p>
<p>I beg to differ with this opinion. I&#8217;ll list some facts because this is a significantly incorrect assumption.</p>
<p>1 The Drawing and Clay was done in the Opel Studio. This is not in question.<br />
2.GM Patac did the final interior/exterior/chassis design in conjunction<br />
with GMNA<br />
3. The V6 engines are 100% GMNA Powertrain designs as are the transmissions.<br />
4 The 4 cylinder is a Lotus/Opel design 5 generations removed and redesigned by Saturn GM Powertrain and then GMNA Powertrain.<br />
5 All the electronic hardware and wiring are 100% GMNA designed.<br />
6 Electronic software is a modification from 100% GMNA scripts rewritten by Canadian GM engineers.</p>
<p>So to answer the question as to what did GMNA contribute. There you go.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: airglow</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/saturn-vue-review/comment-page-1/#comment-62552</link>
		<dc:creator>airglow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;Frank Williams: 
July 25th, 2007 at 2:54 pm 


My biggest complaint is the weight and MPG (though they are 2008 numbers, so compare fairly with other models using 2007 EPA numbers)

The ratings for the 2008 Vue and the 2007 RAV-4 using the “new” numbers are:

Vue - 4 cyl: 19/26
Vue - 6 cyl: 16/23
RAV-4 - 4 cyl: 21/27
RAV-4 - 6 cyl: 19/27 &quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Frank compared the FWD versions; I’ve included all versions below from fueleconomy.gov.  Remember the VUE has actually been rated, while the 2007 RAV 4 numbers have been converted to 2008 numbers and may be slightly different when the 2008 RAV 4 is actually rated.  We&#039;ll see if the numbers are as high as for the simple arithmetic conversion the EPA has applied to pre-2008 numbers.  

2007 RAV 4 converted to 2008 numbers:

RAV 4 4 Cyl FWD 21/27
RAV 4 4 Cyl AWD 20/25
RAV 4 6 Cyl FWD 19/27
RAV 4 6 Cyl AWD 19/26


2008 VUE:

4 Cyl FWD 19/26
3.5 6 AWD 15/22
3.6 6 FWD 16/24 and 23???
3.6 6 AWD 16/22</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>&#8220;Frank Williams:<br />
July 25th, 2007 at 2:54 pm </p>
<p>My biggest complaint is the weight and MPG (though they are 2008 numbers, so compare fairly with other models using 2007 EPA numbers)</p>
<p>The ratings for the 2008 Vue and the 2007 RAV-4 using the “new” numbers are:</p>
<p>Vue &#8211; 4 cyl: 19/26<br />
Vue &#8211; 6 cyl: 16/23<br />
RAV-4 &#8211; 4 cyl: 21/27<br />
RAV-4 &#8211; 6 cyl: 19/27 &#8220;</em></p>
<p>Frank compared the FWD versions; I’ve included all versions below from fueleconomy.gov.  Remember the VUE has actually been rated, while the 2007 RAV 4 numbers have been converted to 2008 numbers and may be slightly different when the 2008 RAV 4 is actually rated.  We&#8217;ll see if the numbers are as high as for the simple arithmetic conversion the EPA has applied to pre-2008 numbers.  </p>
<p>2007 RAV 4 converted to 2008 numbers:</p>
<p>RAV 4 4 Cyl FWD 21/27<br />
RAV 4 4 Cyl AWD 20/25<br />
RAV 4 6 Cyl FWD 19/27<br />
RAV 4 6 Cyl AWD 19/26</p>
<p>2008 VUE:</p>
<p>4 Cyl FWD 19/26<br />
3.5 6 AWD 15/22<br />
3.6 6 FWD 16/24 and 23???<br />
3.6 6 AWD 16/22<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: TheNatural</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/saturn-vue-review/comment-page-1/#comment-62517</link>
		<dc:creator>TheNatural</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The REDLINE VUE has never truly been a performance orientated vehicle.  I would be silly to do that to a compact SUV.  It does have the manumatic transmission, special black leather trim, sport tuned suspension, different fascia pieces, better tires and a lower ride.  The REDLINE VUE has the looks of a performance SUV which is what people who purchase it really want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->The REDLINE VUE has never truly been a performance orientated vehicle.  I would be silly to do that to a compact SUV.  It does have the manumatic transmission, special black leather trim, sport tuned suspension, different fascia pieces, better tires and a lower ride.  The REDLINE VUE has the looks of a performance SUV which is what people who purchase it really want.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: kazoomaloo</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/saturn-vue-review/comment-page-1/#comment-62504</link>
		<dc:creator>kazoomaloo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Waitaminute waitaminute, I just checked out the specifications of the Redline (Powered by TrueDelta, of course) and it appears that the Redline is the exact same car as the XR except the piece of crap manumatic comes standard and it has a better set of tires... oh and some gofast badging, I&#039;m sure.

Maybe they figured out a way to trim off 2-300 pounds, too... I just don&#039;t think you should slap a Redline performance-tag on something unless it has some oomph, otherwise you make the entire line meaningless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Waitaminute waitaminute, I just checked out the specifications of the Redline (Powered by TrueDelta, of course) and it appears that the Redline is the exact same car as the XR except the piece of crap manumatic comes standard and it has a better set of tires&#8230; oh and some gofast badging, I&#8217;m sure.</p>
<p>Maybe they figured out a way to trim off 2-300 pounds, too&#8230; I just don&#8217;t think you should slap a Redline performance-tag on something unless it has some oomph, otherwise you make the entire line meaningless.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: socsndaisy</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/saturn-vue-review/comment-page-1/#comment-62488</link>
		<dc:creator>socsndaisy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The XR is approaching 29-30K when you get it optioned up a little.    While Im glad to hear they are improving, I am not a fan of the CRV wannabe styling.    Having just picked up a CX7 in grand touring trim for WAY less money, I didn&#039;t even give the VUE a cursory glance.  
In general, five and six speeds are better but not always...Subaru currently offers a terrific four-speed auto.   Refine, refine, and refine yet again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->The XR is approaching 29-30K when you get it optioned up a little.    While Im glad to hear they are improving, I am not a fan of the CRV wannabe styling.    Having just picked up a CX7 in grand touring trim for WAY less money, I didn&#8217;t even give the VUE a cursory glance.<br />
In general, five and six speeds are better but not always&#8230;Subaru currently offers a terrific four-speed auto.   Refine, refine, and refine yet again.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Glenn 126</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/saturn-vue-review/comment-page-1/#comment-62485</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn 126</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>shhh don&#039;t tell anyone else, but this &quot;car&quot; is actually one designed by Daewoo for GM. There&#039;s your extra 10%... 

Says volumes that South Koreans (who started assembling cars in 1967, not even manufacturing their own car design - Hyundai 1984 - or car engines - Hyundai 1990) can design a better can than GME or GMNA.</description>
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<p>Says volumes that South Koreans (who started assembling cars in 1967, not even manufacturing their own car design &#8211; Hyundai 1984 &#8211; or car engines &#8211; Hyundai 1990) can design a better can than GME or GMNA.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Michael Karesh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Karesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 01:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was impressed by the level of refinement, but not by the steering or handling. I must say that the magazines have tended to agree with your assessment. Me, I&#039;m looking forward to checking out the Red Line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I was impressed by the level of refinement, but not by the steering or handling. I must say that the magazines have tended to agree with your assessment. Me, I&#8217;m looking forward to checking out the Red Line.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: davey49</title>
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		<dc:creator>davey49</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do (uninformed)people consider the 2002-2007 VUE to be a failure? It was often Saturn&#039;s best selling vehicle with few going to fleet sales. Averaged over 75K units per year. Considering Saturn&#039;s limited dealership outlets the numbers were actually pretty good.
I think from 2002-2005 the VUE was the 3rd best selling compact SUV in the US. Behind the Escape and CR-V but ahead of the Rav4 (old model), Liberty, Tucson, Sportage.

As far as &quot;setting foot in a Saturn dealership&quot; you should try it someday. The Toyota or Honda dealer won&#039;t give you cookies. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Why do (uninformed)people consider the 2002-2007 VUE to be a failure? It was often Saturn&#8217;s best selling vehicle with few going to fleet sales. Averaged over 75K units per year. Considering Saturn&#8217;s limited dealership outlets the numbers were actually pretty good.<br />
I think from 2002-2005 the VUE was the 3rd best selling compact SUV in the US. Behind the Escape and CR-V but ahead of the Rav4 (old model), Liberty, Tucson, Sportage.</p>
<p>As far as &#8220;setting foot in a Saturn dealership&#8221; you should try it someday. The Toyota or Honda dealer won&#8217;t give you cookies. :)<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: klossfam</title>
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		<dc:creator>klossfam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I missing something?  In the proper 3.6L powertrain this cute ute weighs within 150 lbs. of my 2004 Honda Pilot?  YIKES...That&#039;s nuckin&#039; futz!  I know the ride benefit of &quot;heavy for their size&quot; vehicles (I have an Audi A4 S-line) but 4300 lbs is insane for this size buggy...Plus there is NO JUSTIFICATION for any auto maker using a 4 spd slush box in the year 2007.</description>
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		<title>By: BlueBrat</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlueBrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Saturn finally bailed on its plastic supply contract with Hasbro, disappointing GI Joes everywhere.&lt;/em&gt;
&lt;em&gt;On the downside, it&#039;s a nasty agrarian mill better suited to being thrown off a cliff than propelling a car.&lt;/em&gt;
I laughed out loud (LOL&lt;sup&gt;&#8482;&lt;/sup&gt;) at these lines (got some attention here in the &#039;cube from that). Good write-up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>Saturn finally bailed on its plastic supply contract with Hasbro, disappointing GI Joes everywhere.</em><br />
<em>On the downside, it&#8217;s a nasty agrarian mill better suited to being thrown off a cliff than propelling a car.</em><br />
I laughed out loud (LOL<sup>&trade;</sup>) at these lines (got some attention here in the &#8216;cube from that). Good write-up!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Sherman Lin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sherman Lin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kman
Agreed that no automaker should screw up or risk screwing up a well established brand with poorly thought executed or mismatched products like the examples you mentioned.  In my opinion the Vue is still a relatively new name which has had some modest success for Saturn and as such it should be nurtured.  Even if it was a failure, it is so typical of Detroit to simply not stick with anything and work on the constant improvements that seem to be the hallmark of Toyota and Honda.</description>
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Agreed that no automaker should screw up or risk screwing up a well established brand with poorly thought executed or mismatched products like the examples you mentioned.  In my opinion the Vue is still a relatively new name which has had some modest success for Saturn and as such it should be nurtured.  Even if it was a failure, it is so typical of Detroit to simply not stick with anything and work on the constant improvements that seem to be the hallmark of Toyota and Honda.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: zenith</title>
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		<dc:creator>zenith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aztek! Aztek! Aztek! The original, and still the greatest, GM crossover! Or, for the more conservative types, the Rendezvous.

Same gas mileage, much more interior room, slightly lower weight, distinctive style. 

One would expect much better performance out of a higher-horsepower-rated &quot;modern&quot; engine and 6-speed transmission, but its preformance is only a rough equivalent of a vehicle with a 1979-design V-6 and a 1985-designed 4-speed auto. 

And no other &quot;cute ute&quot; is much better!

I&#039;d rather have 2 low-miles Azteks, or maybe an Aztek and a Rendezvous, and enough change left over from the $25 grand to pay sales tax , first year&#039;s license and insurance, and a couple hundred gallons of fuel on both, than any one cute ute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Aztek! Aztek! Aztek! The original, and still the greatest, GM crossover! Or, for the more conservative types, the Rendezvous.</p>
<p>Same gas mileage, much more interior room, slightly lower weight, distinctive style. </p>
<p>One would expect much better performance out of a higher-horsepower-rated &#8220;modern&#8221; engine and 6-speed transmission, but its preformance is only a rough equivalent of a vehicle with a 1979-design V-6 and a 1985-designed 4-speed auto. </p>
<p>And no other &#8220;cute ute&#8221; is much better!</p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather have 2 low-miles Azteks, or maybe an Aztek and a Rendezvous, and enough change left over from the $25 grand to pay sales tax , first year&#8217;s license and insurance, and a couple hundred gallons of fuel on both, than any one cute ute.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: jimmy2x</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/saturn-vue-review/comment-page-1/#comment-62283</link>
		<dc:creator>jimmy2x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have not even seen the Vue up close, but just cannot let all of the glowing remarks on the RAV4 pass without noting the following.
     1.  The 6 banger certainly is quick, but has almost dangerous torque pull off the line, especially to the unsuspecting.
     2.  RAV4 continues to have the absolutely worst design flaw - the rear door which opens from left to right.  Even Honda finally saw the light and went to a conventional opening on the CRV.

ALL of these vehicles have their faults and quirks.  You can&#039;t get a power passenger seat on the CRV either, which I suppose is meant to push one up to the Acura.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Have not even seen the Vue up close, but just cannot let all of the glowing remarks on the RAV4 pass without noting the following.<br />
     1.  The 6 banger certainly is quick, but has almost dangerous torque pull off the line, especially to the unsuspecting.<br />
     2.  RAV4 continues to have the absolutely worst design flaw &#8211; the rear door which opens from left to right.  Even Honda finally saw the light and went to a conventional opening on the CRV.</p>
<p>ALL of these vehicles have their faults and quirks.  You can&#8217;t get a power passenger seat on the CRV either, which I suppose is meant to push one up to the Acura.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: jurisb</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/saturn-vue-review/comment-page-1/#comment-62261</link>
		<dc:creator>jurisb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;well done korea! Well done Germany! Well done usa? why? what has it got to do with gm or usa? nothing. the car is completely constructed by daewoo. some engine and tranny options are german opel.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;just because gm bought opel a century ago, doesn`t make it a gm product. Sony owns half of hollywood,yet  haven`t heard you sayin`` what a nice sony film that matrix was!` Your truck divisions like Mack is owned by Renault, haven`t heard you sayin` what a nice french mack we have.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;So why `privatize` other countries achievements? I understand that gm is desperate to launch new products and look product oriented. but people ain`t that stupid. sooner or later they will ask questions why all american divisions get rebadged imports? How can saturn fight imports if it consists of imports itself?&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;look at vauxhall today. How many products do they have? right. ZERO. this is where detroit is heading. rebadge only helps to mask the ultra -sad situation in US manufacturing field.never ever dare to call Ecotec a gm product. look at how precise are moulds in opel astra today.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Do you really believe that this car could have something common with US , detroit or GM? don`t live in illusions.This ain`t Siegfried and Roy. Look deeper at the root of the whole problem. Usa government increased amount of H1-b visas by 20k  annually,because they lack engineers, so they have to get them somewhere else. ( I guesss it explains why intel has research centers in Japan).&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;the math and exact sciences scores are lower in usa than in korea, China, sweden, canada, etc, barely surpassing italy.( PISAtest-2003) mammamia! the research also made interesting statistics of racial differences among results. and the rsults were  substantially lower for black and hispanic people, while much higher for asiatic people.( I am not racist, so I guess it is legal to read statistics).&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Unless you start really educating your children and imparting them with a  value of sense of achievement , nothing `s gonna change!&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;FAIR GAME! hire me! In 20 years I will make your GM a fair game player and even Mr. Boldridge won`t have to wash his hands after shaking hands....  ;))))))))))(So much for pathos.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>well done korea! Well done Germany! Well done usa? why? what has it got to do with gm or usa? nothing. the car is completely constructed by daewoo. some engine and tranny options are german opel.</p>
<p>just because gm bought opel a century ago, doesn`t make it a gm product. Sony owns half of hollywood,yet  haven`t heard you sayin&#8220; what a nice sony film that matrix was!` Your truck divisions like Mack is owned by Renault, haven`t heard you sayin` what a nice french mack we have.</p>
<p>So why `privatize` other countries achievements? I understand that gm is desperate to launch new products and look product oriented. but people ain`t that stupid. sooner or later they will ask questions why all american divisions get rebadged imports? How can saturn fight imports if it consists of imports itself?</p>
<p>look at vauxhall today. How many products do they have? right. ZERO. this is where detroit is heading. rebadge only helps to mask the ultra -sad situation in US manufacturing field.never ever dare to call Ecotec a gm product. look at how precise are moulds in opel astra today.</p>
<p>Do you really believe that this car could have something common with US , detroit or GM? don`t live in illusions.This ain`t Siegfried and Roy. Look deeper at the root of the whole problem. Usa government increased amount of H1-b visas by 20k  annually,because they lack engineers, so they have to get them somewhere else. ( I guesss it explains why intel has research centers in Japan).</p>
<p>the math and exact sciences scores are lower in usa than in korea, China, sweden, canada, etc, barely surpassing italy.( PISAtest-2003) mammamia! the research also made interesting statistics of racial differences among results. and the rsults were  substantially lower for black and hispanic people, while much higher for asiatic people.( I am not racist, so I guess it is legal to read statistics).</p>
<p>Unless you start really educating your children and imparting them with a  value of sense of achievement , nothing `s gonna change!</p>
<p>FAIR GAME! hire me! In 20 years I will make your GM a fair game player and even Mr. Boldridge won`t have to wash his hands after shaking hands&#8230;.  ;))))))))))(So much for pathos.)</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Parkhurst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Parkhurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, at least now the General has supplied an engine from its European holdings, rather than going begging to Honda for a V6. Yes, the engine is from across the pond; but at least it&#039; a GM built engine. 

Now, if they could just make it work as well with an electric motor, they&#039;d be really ready to compete with Toyota - or at least, give a better impression of doing so.</description>
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<p>Now, if they could just make it work as well with an electric motor, they&#8217;d be really ready to compete with Toyota &#8211; or at least, give a better impression of doing so.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 06:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>starlightmica, that is indeed exactly what you&#039;re getting.

Not mentioned in this review is the fact that apples to apples (EPA figures), the Vue compares quite poorly to the competition in terms of fuel economy. It should be noted that the Rav 4 and CR-V both have very good standard safety.

Another thing not mentioned in the review is compared to the competition, the Vue&#039;s interior volume is not that great.

For the same price as a Vue V6, you can get a Rav 4 V6 with equal safety, more power and better fuel economy, as well as more interior volume.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->starlightmica, that is indeed exactly what you&#8217;re getting.</p>
<p>Not mentioned in this review is the fact that apples to apples (EPA figures), the Vue compares quite poorly to the competition in terms of fuel economy. It should be noted that the Rav 4 and CR-V both have very good standard safety.</p>
<p>Another thing not mentioned in the review is compared to the competition, the Vue&#8217;s interior volume is not that great.</p>
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		<title>By: Kman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 05:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Sherman Lin:

I take your point, and it is valid, though would you apply that to the Vue name? The strong american product brands are and have been Mustang, Corvette, Caravan, Explorer, Cherokee, Suburban, and other such strong franchises.

Until the Vue got its Honda V6, I have poor recollections of its drive, its interior and its quality. The Vue brand is poor.

So drop the poor brands, yes got it. But typing this post also made me realize the flip side of this:

The Big Three&#039;s (but mainly GM&#039;s) capacity to assassinate a GOOD franchise. Think 
- &#039;60s Pontiac Lemans, early &#039;90&#039;s Korean Lemans. 
- The Chevy SS sub-brand which, up until the current Cobalt SS, was just tacky (literally and figuratively)stickers and such.
- The Omni-based 80&#039;s Dodge &quot;Charger&quot;
- The 80&#039;s / 90&#039;s Chevrolet Nova (a NUMMI for those who recall the Toyota/GM joint-venture)
- And I know at some point over the past 20 years, Oldsmobile threw 442 stickers onto cars that do not merit them.

So, yes, keep a good brand alive. But not at all costs.</description>
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<p>I take your point, and it is valid, though would you apply that to the Vue name? The strong american product brands are and have been Mustang, Corvette, Caravan, Explorer, Cherokee, Suburban, and other such strong franchises.</p>
<p>Until the Vue got its Honda V6, I have poor recollections of its drive, its interior and its quality. The Vue brand is poor.</p>
<p>So drop the poor brands, yes got it. But typing this post also made me realize the flip side of this:</p>
<p>The Big Three&#8217;s (but mainly GM&#8217;s) capacity to assassinate a GOOD franchise. Think<br />
- &#8217;60s Pontiac Lemans, early &#8217;90&#8217;s Korean Lemans.<br />
- The Chevy SS sub-brand which, up until the current Cobalt SS, was just tacky (literally and figuratively)stickers and such.<br />
- The Omni-based 80&#8217;s Dodge &#8220;Charger&#8221;<br />
- The 80&#8217;s / 90&#8217;s Chevrolet Nova (a NUMMI for those who recall the Toyota/GM joint-venture)<br />
- And I know at some point over the past 20 years, Oldsmobile threw 442 stickers onto cars that do not merit them.</p>
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		<title>By: Sherman Lin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sherman Lin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 04:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kman &quot;For this Vue, they should have definitely changed the name, though. They did well in using all-new names for the other Opels they’re bringing over, and should have done so for the Vue as well. Way too much negative baggage.&quot;

I can see the Ion have baggaage and negative connotations as it was universally panned when it came out, but the last generation Vue has actually been one of GMs better efforts.  You can&#039;t diss a company for constantly running from established nameplates and destroying brand equity by abandoning names like Tauras and at the same time complain when they actually bring out a new version.</description>
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<p>I can see the Ion have baggaage and negative connotations as it was universally panned when it came out, but the last generation Vue has actually been one of GMs better efforts.  You can&#8217;t diss a company for constantly running from established nameplates and destroying brand equity by abandoning names like Tauras and at the same time complain when they actually bring out a new version.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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