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		<title>By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="727187912">Armando Chocano Bogani</fb:name></title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/review-2010-subaru-outback/comment-page-3/#comment-1599281</link>
		<dc:creator><fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="727187912">Armando Chocano Bogani</fb:name></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 06:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great car this 2010 Subaru Outback 2010 , I bought one on Dec 2009, fills great in the road and best in long trips, very very comfortable and roomy inside, powerful enough with the 167 Hp motor; 2100 rpm at 80 mph and more than 30 miles per gallon in highway at 80mph thanks to continuous variable transmission (6 electronic variable shifts). The well located manual automatic shifts on the steering wheel respond quickly and give you all the security filling you might demand down slope in mountain dirt roads. Feels like a tank in the sand. Super car, makes you feel safe and all mighty.
You have to ride it..., makes all other SUVs feel like small cars.
Armando Chocano
Lima- Peru</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Great car this 2010 Subaru Outback 2010 , I bought one on Dec 2009, fills great in the road and best in long trips, very very comfortable and roomy inside, powerful enough with the 167 Hp motor; 2100 rpm at 80 mph and more than 30 miles per gallon in highway at 80mph thanks to continuous variable transmission (6 electronic variable shifts). The well located manual automatic shifts on the steering wheel respond quickly and give you all the security filling you might demand down slope in mountain dirt roads. Feels like a tank in the sand. Super car, makes you feel safe and all mighty.<br />
You have to ride it&#8230;, makes all other SUVs feel like small cars.<br />
Armando Chocano<br />
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		<title>By: Accazdatch</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/review-2010-subaru-outback/comment-page-1/#comment-1599220</link>
		<dc:creator>Accazdatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 01:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>littlehulkster:
There is no such thing as an Outback.

Its the Subaru - Legacy - Wagon, and the OUTBACK is the tan and or green trim, that surrounds the lower half of the vehicle around the wheel wheels.

It isn&#039;t the Outback that people went for initially.. its the Impreza 4dr / 5dr rally car that was made available and the WRX that KIDS used to buy, who grew up.

And Subaru started out in the 70s pushing front drive cars.. soon moving to awd, when the rest of the damn auto WORLD was doing rear drive in the 80s, soon to move to fwd in the 90s, with fwd dominating and awd now being the standard.

It has been AWD that SUBARU has had as a lower cost mass market brand vs Audi&#039;s Quattro.

And.. if you really would like to get picky.
It hasn&#039;t been till just lately that the Legacy is only offered in the wagon (no sedan), and is sized and directly marketed against the Japanese midsize (read: fullsize leaders). But.. I cant honestly imagine ANYONE debating which to purchase.. and buying the generic looking / obese to drive Legacy Wagon / CUV (now marketed to anyone with a checkbook) and or no concept to care / know the difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->littlehulkster:<br />
There is no such thing as an Outback.</p>
<p>Its the Subaru &#8211; Legacy &#8211; Wagon, and the OUTBACK is the tan and or green trim, that surrounds the lower half of the vehicle around the wheel wheels.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t the Outback that people went for initially.. its the Impreza 4dr / 5dr rally car that was made available and the WRX that KIDS used to buy, who grew up.</p>
<p>And Subaru started out in the 70s pushing front drive cars.. soon moving to awd, when the rest of the damn auto WORLD was doing rear drive in the 80s, soon to move to fwd in the 90s, with fwd dominating and awd now being the standard.</p>
<p>It has been AWD that SUBARU has had as a lower cost mass market brand vs Audi&#8217;s Quattro.</p>
<p>And.. if you really would like to get picky.<br />
It hasn&#8217;t been till just lately that the Legacy is only offered in the wagon (no sedan), and is sized and directly marketed against the Japanese midsize (read: fullsize leaders). But.. I cant honestly imagine ANYONE debating which to purchase.. and buying the generic looking / obese to drive Legacy Wagon / CUV (now marketed to anyone with a checkbook) and or no concept to care / know the difference.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: littlehulkster</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/review-2010-subaru-outback/comment-page-1/#comment-1599212</link>
		<dc:creator>littlehulkster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 01:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe it&#039;s because the Outback is the car that put Subaru on the map and is the very definition of their brand in their higher volume areas (Everywhere it snows), and it would therefore be a monumentally stupid idea to kill it?

That&#039;s like asking Porsche to stop making the 911.</description>
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<p>That&#8217;s like asking Porsche to stop making the 911.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: littlehulkster</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/review-2010-subaru-outback/comment-page-1/#comment-1599210</link>
		<dc:creator>littlehulkster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 01:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you considered a lightly used 09 LGT? The performance will be very close and it still has all the practicality, but it&#039;s not puffy and hideous.

You&#039;ll save a mint, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Have you considered a lightly used 09 LGT? The performance will be very close and it still has all the practicality, but it&#8217;s not puffy and hideous.</p>
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		<title>By: Accazdatch</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/review-2010-subaru-outback/comment-page-1/#comment-1599205</link>
		<dc:creator>Accazdatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 00:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rtdunham:

Its only rudimentary / elementary that the reason why fuel economy isn&#039;t in the 30s for any Subbie (and other vehicles and companies in its competition) is the AWD. Now, regardless of the AWD unit of ANY Subaru, the WEIGHT of the vehicle is still the biggest challenge. Do remember.. that hybrid anything.. ISN&#039;T the answer to fuel economy!! If I wanted good fuel economy, I&#039;d dump a 5-10yr old 4cycl anything and go out and buy a diesel 3/5dr GTI from Wolfsburg. I might even buy and bite the rep bullet, the 2ltr motor and trans combo that is the 2011 GDI Sonata (if I wanted a &quot;midsizer&quot;), or any vehicle they plan to put that GDI motor tranny system into. I wouldn&#039;t pay the 3-5g &quot;surcharge&quot; for the OBESE, hybrid system stuffed into any current midsize / fullsize car OR CUV regardless of the power and or fuel savings available!! Its plain not worth it compared to as long as it would take in miles AND fuel costs over a 10yr period to PAY for the hybrid unit.

Now.
While I absolutely / completely detest the current design, size and heft of the Legacy Wagon. It doesn&#039;t surprise me that its fuel eco sucks. Even when I tested a decent Impreza hatch.. fuel eco is in early 20s, and that ISN&#039;T ground breaking! Most of that issue is the awd, and I refuse to drive a vehicle of its weight, even though it has a hatch!

Now..
I see a total problem with AWD, as its a pointless concept on 95% of vehicles on market (SUV/CUV).. because they don&#039;t have SNOW TIRES, regardless of their ability and or the capacity of those who operate the damn things to have tires that take advantage of the inherent technology.

Now..
As far as the Legacy Wagon itself.. it is now as large as any CUV: Escape, CRV, Patriot / Compass / Liberty. Its just wayy too damn large. I believe the vehicle has a 4 and or a 6cycl. Id also bet money that people don&#039;t buy the 4cycl cause the car wont move with it.. because of its size issue.


And ya dont buy AWD hoping for good fuel economy.

Ya buy AWD, prayin ya safe with driving in snow.. albeit with all seasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->rtdunham:</p>
<p>Its only rudimentary / elementary that the reason why fuel economy isn&#8217;t in the 30s for any Subbie (and other vehicles and companies in its competition) is the AWD. Now, regardless of the AWD unit of ANY Subaru, the WEIGHT of the vehicle is still the biggest challenge. Do remember.. that hybrid anything.. ISN&#8217;T the answer to fuel economy!! If I wanted good fuel economy, I&#8217;d dump a 5-10yr old 4cycl anything and go out and buy a diesel 3/5dr GTI from Wolfsburg. I might even buy and bite the rep bullet, the 2ltr motor and trans combo that is the 2011 GDI Sonata (if I wanted a &#8220;midsizer&#8221;), or any vehicle they plan to put that GDI motor tranny system into. I wouldn&#8217;t pay the 3-5g &#8220;surcharge&#8221; for the OBESE, hybrid system stuffed into any current midsize / fullsize car OR CUV regardless of the power and or fuel savings available!! Its plain not worth it compared to as long as it would take in miles AND fuel costs over a 10yr period to PAY for the hybrid unit.</p>
<p>Now.<br />
While I absolutely / completely detest the current design, size and heft of the Legacy Wagon. It doesn&#8217;t surprise me that its fuel eco sucks. Even when I tested a decent Impreza hatch.. fuel eco is in early 20s, and that ISN&#8217;T ground breaking! Most of that issue is the awd, and I refuse to drive a vehicle of its weight, even though it has a hatch!</p>
<p>Now..<br />
I see a total problem with AWD, as its a pointless concept on 95% of vehicles on market (SUV/CUV).. because they don&#8217;t have SNOW TIRES, regardless of their ability and or the capacity of those who operate the damn things to have tires that take advantage of the inherent technology.</p>
<p>Now..<br />
As far as the Legacy Wagon itself.. it is now as large as any CUV: Escape, CRV, Patriot / Compass / Liberty. Its just wayy too damn large. I believe the vehicle has a 4 and or a 6cycl. Id also bet money that people don&#8217;t buy the 4cycl cause the car wont move with it.. because of its size issue.</p>
<p>And ya dont buy AWD hoping for good fuel economy.</p>
<p>Ya buy AWD, prayin ya safe with driving in snow.. albeit with all seasons.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: rtdunham</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/review-2010-subaru-outback/comment-page-1/#comment-1599194</link>
		<dc:creator>rtdunham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 00:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The fuel efficiency of Subarus often seems to suck these days. Why can’t they even deliver base 4-bangers that can break 30 mpg on the highway? &quot;

well, for starters, because they&#039;re awd?  Name any awd suv/wagon 4cyl that gets the 29 hwy the new outback is rated at, or its 24mpg overall:  You&#039;re either gonna have an extremely short list or, i suspect, no list at all.  This site seems populated by people more interested in dramatic statements than fact. Look at the Ford Escape Hybrid: the awd model gets 4-5 mpg LESS than the front drive version with the same engine.

As for the fella who says his Volvo XC 90 gets 29 mpg, for ex:  Y&#039;all believe that?

Personally, I like the Outback balance of space and economy.  (My other cars: a Boxster, an Infiniti FX, and a Camry Hybrid).  I don&#039;t go rock-climbing with any of them, but the FX is the only one (it&#039;s awd) i can count on when i go off-road, in florida sand or kentucky dirt.  The Outback would do that at least as well, get 50% better mileage, have better visibility.  Yep, the FX&#039;ll take it in a race, but that&#039;s not what i&#039;m buying my cars for.  To each his own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->&#8220;The fuel efficiency of Subarus often seems to suck these days. Why can’t they even deliver base 4-bangers that can break 30 mpg on the highway? &#8221;</p>
<p>well, for starters, because they&#8217;re awd?  Name any awd suv/wagon 4cyl that gets the 29 hwy the new outback is rated at, or its 24mpg overall:  You&#8217;re either gonna have an extremely short list or, i suspect, no list at all.  This site seems populated by people more interested in dramatic statements than fact. Look at the Ford Escape Hybrid: the awd model gets 4-5 mpg LESS than the front drive version with the same engine.</p>
<p>As for the fella who says his Volvo XC 90 gets 29 mpg, for ex:  Y&#8217;all believe that?</p>
<p>Personally, I like the Outback balance of space and economy.  (My other cars: a Boxster, an Infiniti FX, and a Camry Hybrid).  I don&#8217;t go rock-climbing with any of them, but the FX is the only one (it&#8217;s awd) i can count on when i go off-road, in florida sand or kentucky dirt.  The Outback would do that at least as well, get 50% better mileage, have better visibility.  Yep, the FX&#8217;ll take it in a race, but that&#8217;s not what i&#8217;m buying my cars for.  To each his own.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: drivebywire</title>
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		<dc:creator>drivebywire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...to muster its small resources...&quot;
?
http://www.fhi.co.jp/english/outline/inoutline/index.html
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->&#8220;&#8230;to muster its small resources&#8230;&#8221;<br />
?<br />
<a href="http://www.fhi.co.jp/english/outline/inoutline/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.fhi.co.jp/english/outline/inoutline/index.html</a><br />
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		<title>By: drivebywire</title>
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		<dc:creator>drivebywire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record, I get the same 29 mpg(average)  in my Volvo XC70.</description>
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		<title>By: drivebywire</title>
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		<dc:creator>drivebywire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(1) Having just said goodbye to my 1991 Saab 900 Turbo, I chuckle whenever I hear the &quot;Subaru is a Saab&quot; statement. Certainly not a pre-GM Saab.
(2) &quot;...I&#039;d buy a GM vehicle in a minute over Subaru...&quot;
Don&#039;t separate the two so quickly. GM was heavily invested in Subaru until recently, and is still lightly invested now.  There&#039;s also a good link on this site showing the Subaru Forester sold as a Chevy Forester in India.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->(1) Having just said goodbye to my 1991 Saab 900 Turbo, I chuckle whenever I hear the &#8220;Subaru is a Saab&#8221; statement. Certainly not a pre-GM Saab.<br />
(2) &#8220;&#8230;I&#8217;d buy a GM vehicle in a minute over Subaru&#8230;&#8221;<br />
Don&#8217;t separate the two so quickly. GM was heavily invested in Subaru until recently, and is still lightly invested now.  There&#8217;s also a good link on this site showing the Subaru Forester sold as a Chevy Forester in India.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Durishin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Durishin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am glad for the success and market uptake of the new Outback.  Glad for Subaru, that is.  I guess I am just more of a sportwagon type.  One who needs more wagon than the STi will provide and more sport than the new Outback.
 
I guess I most lament that the old Legacy wagon was a parsimonious man&#039;s A4 Avant - albeit with less understeer!  Yes, less!
 
Now, I guess I&#039;ll have to be off to that $60k twin turbo Bimmer 5Ser...and putting some service manager&#039;s kid through Dartmouth!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I am glad for the success and market uptake of the new Outback.  Glad for Subaru, that is.  I guess I am just more of a sportwagon type.  One who needs more wagon than the STi will provide and more sport than the new Outback.<br />
 <br />
I guess I most lament that the old Legacy wagon was a parsimonious man&#8217;s A4 Avant &#8211; albeit with less understeer!  Yes, less!<br />
 <br />
Now, I guess I&#8217;ll have to be off to that $60k twin turbo Bimmer 5Ser&#8230;and putting some service manager&#8217;s kid through Dartmouth!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: sylus</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say I am suprised just how many have had an opinion on a car they have not bought, test driven or even seen.
We bought one, top of the range 2010 all the bells and whistles in it and we love it..loved it so much that we part exchanged our 2008 mustang gt in for the subie
I agree on the impreza having lost the way on it&#039;s former glory but people must realise what the outback is for. It is a 4 wheel drive stationwagon thats meant to carry upto 5 people in safety and comfort with loads of space for extra&#039;s in the trunk.
It was never meant to be a traffic light quarter mile strip car, it was never meant to outburn a camaro. But everything it does well and in some cases brilliantly I also know it will have some good residuals at sale time.
We tried many suv&#039;s/crossovers such as the edge etc and they were far to tall but the outback has got the hieght,power and function just right for it&#039;s market. As to performance..you want performance go get a fast car..bet it doesn&#039;t give 29mpg + on a run?
It&#039;s a lovely car..hit&#039;s the market it was aimed for and undoubtedly will keep subaru going whilst so many other car manufacturers are going ..under
Try it..drive it for a few days..you will love it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I have to say I am suprised just how many have had an opinion on a car they have not bought, test driven or even seen.<br />
We bought one, top of the range 2010 all the bells and whistles in it and we love it..loved it so much that we part exchanged our 2008 mustang gt in for the subie<br />
I agree on the impreza having lost the way on it&#8217;s former glory but people must realise what the outback is for. It is a 4 wheel drive stationwagon thats meant to carry upto 5 people in safety and comfort with loads of space for extra&#8217;s in the trunk.<br />
It was never meant to be a traffic light quarter mile strip car, it was never meant to outburn a camaro. But everything it does well and in some cases brilliantly I also know it will have some good residuals at sale time.<br />
We tried many suv&#8217;s/crossovers such as the edge etc and they were far to tall but the outback has got the hieght,power and function just right for it&#8217;s market. As to performance..you want performance go get a fast car..bet it doesn&#8217;t give 29mpg + on a run?<br />
It&#8217;s a lovely car..hit&#8217;s the market it was aimed for and undoubtedly will keep subaru going whilst so many other car manufacturers are going ..under<br />
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		<title>By: Accazdatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Accazdatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 02:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know exactly (highly surmising) why Ford stopped making the Freestyle..

If you forget:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Taurus_X

Freestyle was out about 2yrs, then got redone (in Ford&#039;s terms, a new front / rear clip, nt, renamed and released) to have a new name for 2yrs.. THEN, canned cause its sales were disgusting. Its because it was selling the Exploder, the Escape with the Flex coming and the Edge out... Freestyle was competing against its own vehicles. Just like the Mazda 6 wagon / hatch were competing against Escape for Mazda, CX7 / 9.

Who wants to buy a single &quot;wagon&quot; choice when ya got 3 SUVS / CUVS to choose from. This is the reason why modern wagons arent being sold. An Im not even getting into how TIGHT this vehicle (Freestyle) was in the Taurus DEBACLE.. can you say.. NOSE TO NOSE! I bet you could pick one up for a song.

Its a roll of the dice for the rest.
The resale should be low enough on the 500/ Taurus wagon..

Stick a set of snows on it.. should be just fine.

I never mentioned Audi / Volvo etc... 
Just the dirtbox useless UTE bunch...
Look cute do nothing.. couldnt pull ya out of tapioca pudding with a winch and a plow!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I know exactly (highly surmising) why Ford stopped making the Freestyle..</p>
<p>If you forget:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Taurus_X</p>
<p>Freestyle was out about 2yrs, then got redone (in Ford&#8217;s terms, a new front / rear clip, nt, renamed and released) to have a new name for 2yrs.. THEN, canned cause its sales were disgusting. Its because it was selling the Exploder, the Escape with the Flex coming and the Edge out&#8230; Freestyle was competing against its own vehicles. Just like the Mazda 6 wagon / hatch were competing against Escape for Mazda, CX7 / 9.</p>
<p>Who wants to buy a single &#8220;wagon&#8221; choice when ya got 3 SUVS / CUVS to choose from. This is the reason why modern wagons arent being sold. An Im not even getting into how TIGHT this vehicle (Freestyle) was in the Taurus DEBACLE.. can you say.. NOSE TO NOSE! I bet you could pick one up for a song.</p>
<p>Its a roll of the dice for the rest.<br />
The resale should be low enough on the 500/ Taurus wagon..</p>
<p>Stick a set of snows on it.. should be just fine.</p>
<p>I never mentioned Audi / Volvo etc&#8230;<br />
Just the dirtbox useless UTE bunch&#8230;<br />
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		<title>By: ifi</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/review-2010-subaru-outback/comment-page-3/#comment-1579223</link>
		<dc:creator>ifi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 02:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AccAzda:
They don&#039;t make Ford Freestyle anymore, and BTW it had CVT. Any idea why Ford stopped making Freestyle?
I already have a sedan and believe me it can not handle more than 8&quot; of snow. But we get up to 2 feet of snow and sometimes even more than 2 feet.
Forester, Outback and RAV4 are the only affordable options that I can think of. I can not afford Volvo, Audi, etc.</description>
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They don&#8217;t make Ford Freestyle anymore, and BTW it had CVT. Any idea why Ford stopped making Freestyle?<br />
I already have a sedan and believe me it can not handle more than 8&#8243; of snow. But we get up to 2 feet of snow and sometimes even more than 2 feet.<br />
Forester, Outback and RAV4 are the only affordable options that I can think of. I can not afford Volvo, Audi, etc.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: mesh</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/review-2010-subaru-outback/comment-page-3/#comment-1579064</link>
		<dc:creator>mesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone commenting on this topic ever driven a national forest road in MT?  You need a vehicle with good ground clearance.  Period.  These forest roads are not well maintained.  They have big water bars that are sometimes washed out.  Rocks are never cleared from the road, and people leave ruts when they insist on driving these roads before the roads have dried out in the summer.  I don&#039;t drive off-road, just these &quot;soft roads.&quot;  Awd is nice when you&#039;ve got one wheel in the air going over a water bar or trying to stay out of ruts when the ground is slick or icy.
I recently purchased a new RAV 4, but wish for the ground clearance that the Subies have.  I may trade in my Audi A4 and get a new Outback.   The only other vehicles that offer similar or better ground clearance have truck frames and drive like crap and get gas mileage in the mid to low teens.   And yes, I run winter tires on all of my vehicles in the WINTER TIME.   Whoever that was that expects cars to come from the factory shod in winter tires is living in some alternate reality where you can drive winter tires year round.
I&#039;ve driven the new Outback with the flat six and it&#039;s a solid driver,  kind of like a bank vault.  The engine and transmission are great.  The ride and handling so-so.  
That&#039;s why I went with the RAV 4 V6.  The RAV 4 rides like my &#039;06 A4 and out accelerates it.  But the last time I went for a hike, I was wishing for a little more ground clearance.  The RAV 4&#039;s underbelly looks fragile.  I might let my ex-wife drive it and I&#039;ll get a new Outback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Has anyone commenting on this topic ever driven a national forest road in MT?  You need a vehicle with good ground clearance.  Period.  These forest roads are not well maintained.  They have big water bars that are sometimes washed out.  Rocks are never cleared from the road, and people leave ruts when they insist on driving these roads before the roads have dried out in the summer.  I don&#8217;t drive off-road, just these &#8220;soft roads.&#8221;  Awd is nice when you&#8217;ve got one wheel in the air going over a water bar or trying to stay out of ruts when the ground is slick or icy.<br />
I recently purchased a new RAV 4, but wish for the ground clearance that the Subies have.  I may trade in my Audi A4 and get a new Outback.   The only other vehicles that offer similar or better ground clearance have truck frames and drive like crap and get gas mileage in the mid to low teens.   And yes, I run winter tires on all of my vehicles in the WINTER TIME.   Whoever that was that expects cars to come from the factory shod in winter tires is living in some alternate reality where you can drive winter tires year round.<br />
I&#8217;ve driven the new Outback with the flat six and it&#8217;s a solid driver,  kind of like a bank vault.  The engine and transmission are great.  The ride and handling so-so. <br />
That&#8217;s why I went with the RAV 4 V6.  The RAV 4 rides like my &#8216;06 A4 and out accelerates it.  But the last time I went for a hike, I was wishing for a little more ground clearance.  The RAV 4&#8217;s underbelly looks fragile.  I might let my ex-wife drive it and I&#8217;ll get a new Outback.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Accazdatch</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/review-2010-subaru-outback/comment-page-3/#comment-1579027</link>
		<dc:creator>Accazdatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Forester is sized to compete with every other CUV on the market. (When in FACT it TOO was a WAGON... with a high roof.)
From the gutless to the horrible...
CRV
RAV4
Escape
Kia / Hyundai mess
Liberty / Compass / Patriot

Im my own twisted belief..
Any vehicle made by anyone (CRINGE) would suffice for pretty much anyone&#039;s needs. No one has any need so specific that a Kia or Chrysler vehicle couldnt suffice. None have any ability over the other, NTM the abilities arent used anyway...

Escape fights a size v power v weight v cost battle with Explorer / Edge, just like RAV4.
The CRV from Honda.. just irks me. They made the vehicle larger.. to fix the size / packaging issues the old one had.
The Jeep stuff.. is so horrible to even mention, is so gutless and pathetic to even be produced. They are essentially fine as vehicles.. but dilute the purpose / concept of what a Jeep is.
I cant mention Chrapco / GM stuff.. because I have a morale clause not to buy shit from a company that OWES ME FUCKIN MONEY (and everyone else on the board) ntm the whole bankruptcy thing.

So in the end...
Buy a decent sedan from pretty much anyone or some 3yr old Ford Freeestyle (leaving off GM / Chrapco) with snow tires.. and ya should be fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->The Forester is sized to compete with every other CUV on the market. (When in FACT it TOO was a WAGON&#8230; with a high roof.)<br />
From the gutless to the horrible&#8230;<br />
CRV<br />
RAV4<br />
Escape<br />
Kia / Hyundai mess<br />
Liberty / Compass / Patriot</p>
<p>Im my own twisted belief..<br />
Any vehicle made by anyone (CRINGE) would suffice for pretty much anyone&#8217;s needs. No one has any need so specific that a Kia or Chrysler vehicle couldnt suffice. None have any ability over the other, NTM the abilities arent used anyway&#8230;</p>
<p>Escape fights a size v power v weight v cost battle with Explorer / Edge, just like RAV4.<br />
The CRV from Honda.. just irks me. They made the vehicle larger.. to fix the size / packaging issues the old one had.<br />
The Jeep stuff.. is so horrible to even mention, is so gutless and pathetic to even be produced. They are essentially fine as vehicles.. but dilute the purpose / concept of what a Jeep is.<br />
I cant mention Chrapco / GM stuff.. because I have a morale clause not to buy shit from a company that OWES ME FUCKIN MONEY (and everyone else on the board) ntm the whole bankruptcy thing.</p>
<p>So in the end&#8230;<br />
Buy a decent sedan from pretty much anyone or some 3yr old Ford Freeestyle (leaving off GM / Chrapco) with snow tires.. and ya should be fine.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Accazdatch</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/review-2010-subaru-outback/comment-page-2/#comment-1579017</link>
		<dc:creator>Accazdatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ummm
In case you didnt know..

For the past 2-5yrs Subaru was pushing the Legacy in a dozen different ads.. with the word SUV.. used to make my blood pressure rise!

The vehicle was a WAGON! It has a wagon shape (long and low), little to no clearance needed.

Now.. its high enough that its comparable to basically any SUV / CUV POS on the road now!

And Toyota didnt iron them out..
It yanked it out with FORCE.

Im sure, its also not difficult to actually DRIVE the DAMN car as intended (last gens only.) 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2RxGj-2ebY&amp;feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATZts5gCKdg&amp;feature=related
 &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QwcSD0hkAs&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QwcSD0hkAs&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Ummm<br />
In case you didnt know..</p>
<p>For the past 2-5yrs Subaru was pushing the Legacy in a dozen different ads.. with the word SUV.. used to make my blood pressure rise!</p>
<p>The vehicle was a WAGON! It has a wagon shape (long and low), little to no clearance needed.</p>
<p>Now.. its high enough that its comparable to basically any SUV / CUV POS on the road now!</p>
<p>And Toyota didnt iron them out..<br />
It yanked it out with FORCE.</p>
<p>Im sure, its also not difficult to actually DRIVE the DAMN car as intended (last gens only.) </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2RxGj-2ebY&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2RxGj-2ebY&amp;feature=related</a><br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATZts5gCKdg&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATZts5gCKdg&amp;feature=related</a><br />
 <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QwcSD0hkAs" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QwcSD0hkAs</a><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: ifi</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/review-2010-subaru-outback/comment-page-3/#comment-1578873</link>
		<dc:creator>ifi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 03:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AccAzda:
Is Forester any better?
What budget Car/SUV would you recommend to drive in up to 1 to 2 feet of snow?
We also have icy roads few times a year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->AccAzda:<br />
Is Forester any better?<br />
What budget Car/SUV would you recommend to drive in up to 1 to 2 feet of snow?<br />
We also have icy roads few times a year.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Accazdatch</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/review-2010-subaru-outback/comment-page-3/#comment-1578868</link>
		<dc:creator>Accazdatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 02:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeez,
Lets get a few things straight.

1. Its virtually impossible to find a manual tranny in a vehicle that people dont buy to DRIVE.
2. Only reason for the larger motor.. is cause the WAGON is a PIG.
3. Obviously a CVT isnt the right choice of tranny for everyone?.... Few people even know the benefits of what the unit could do.. besides knowing about the belts and its non shifting nature. Forget about the differences in who makes them.. and their quality.
4. Is 2&quot; in extra ground clearance.. an issue with performance/ reliabilty/ safety issues. You should see Ford about the groudn clearance issue... they are still paying court fees from people who bought SUVS and died / horribly maimed and or permenantly disfigured because they trusted the clearance of their exploder.  But enough of that. I was hoping that the LACK of clearance would be a boon to cornering or handling.
5. And no, it doesnt LOOK like other &quot;popular cars&quot; his issue is its big / took on weight for the heck of it. Subaru is desperate to sell its larger car.. on the idea that Toyota Camry/ Honda Accord owners cross shop with their cars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Jeez,<br />
Lets get a few things straight.</p>
<p>1. Its virtually impossible to find a manual tranny in a vehicle that people dont buy to DRIVE.<br />
2. Only reason for the larger motor.. is cause the WAGON is a PIG.<br />
3. Obviously a CVT isnt the right choice of tranny for everyone?&#8230;. Few people even know the benefits of what the unit could do.. besides knowing about the belts and its non shifting nature. Forget about the differences in who makes them.. and their quality.<br />
4. Is 2&#8243; in extra ground clearance.. an issue with performance/ reliabilty/ safety issues. You should see Ford about the groudn clearance issue&#8230; they are still paying court fees from people who bought SUVS and died / horribly maimed and or permenantly disfigured because they trusted the clearance of their exploder.  But enough of that. I was hoping that the LACK of clearance would be a boon to cornering or handling.<br />
5. And no, it doesnt LOOK like other &#8220;popular cars&#8221; his issue is its big / took on weight for the heck of it. Subaru is desperate to sell its larger car.. on the idea that Toyota Camry/ Honda Accord owners cross shop with their cars.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Accazdatch</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/review-2010-subaru-outback/comment-page-3/#comment-1578867</link>
		<dc:creator>Accazdatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 02:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The AWD unit is MOOT without SNOWS.

Also...
Car and Driver, R&amp;T have lost credibility due to the fact of their CONTINUOUS bias towards certain vehicles.. and inaccurate reporting. Then there is the whole concept of if ya pay enough for advertising.. and pay enough for marketing.. its got to win something. -- STINKS of JD Power B.S

NTM the adding of SUVS in a mag for (3 BOX) CARS.

Also..
I give LESS than NO credit to Motor Trend for giving it an award based on the concept that the Legacy IS A WAGON! Its not an SUV. Its not built on a TRUCK FRAME. It doesnt have LADDER FRAME construction. It was designed as a UNIBODY (3 box CAR). There is no reason or rhyme. If you truely want reviews ya look to Insideline by edmunds.. not the car mags.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->The AWD unit is MOOT without SNOWS.</p>
<p>Also&#8230;<br />
Car and Driver, R&amp;T have lost credibility due to the fact of their CONTINUOUS bias towards certain vehicles.. and inaccurate reporting. Then there is the whole concept of if ya pay enough for advertising.. and pay enough for marketing.. its got to win something. &#8212; STINKS of JD Power B.S</p>
<p>NTM the adding of SUVS in a mag for (3 BOX) CARS.</p>
<p>Also..<br />
I give LESS than NO credit to Motor Trend for giving it an award based on the concept that the Legacy IS A WAGON! Its not an SUV. Its not built on a TRUCK FRAME. It doesnt have LADDER FRAME construction. It was designed as a UNIBODY (3 box CAR). There is no reason or rhyme. If you truely want reviews ya look to Insideline by edmunds.. not the car mags.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Accazdatch</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/review-2010-subaru-outback/comment-page-2/#comment-1578866</link>
		<dc:creator>Accazdatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 02:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I gotta say this...

The new Impreza sedan is soo horrible looking...
I mistake it for a Corolla..

And this is coming froma guy who can tell make, model AND YEAR of cars, in the dark, at night, from BEHIND ME.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I gotta say this&#8230;</p>
<p>The new Impreza sedan is soo horrible looking&#8230;<br />
I mistake it for a Corolla..</p>
<p>And this is coming froma guy who can tell make, model AND YEAR of cars, in the dark, at night, from BEHIND ME.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Accazdatch</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/review-2010-subaru-outback/comment-page-2/#comment-1578865</link>
		<dc:creator>Accazdatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 02:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its called Toyota.

Hmmmhmmm

Check out who owns their strings now..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Its called Toyota.</p>
<p>Hmmmhmmm</p>
<p>Check out who owns their strings now..<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Accazdatch</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/review-2010-subaru-outback/comment-page-2/#comment-1578863</link>
		<dc:creator>Accazdatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 02:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Add SNOWS, reduce the weight by 1000lbs and it might actually be credibile..

Then again..
Finding someone who actually HAS snows.. and a manual is virtually impossible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Add SNOWS, reduce the weight by 1000lbs and it might actually be credibile..</p>
<p>Then again..<br />
Finding someone who actually HAS snows.. and a manual is virtually impossible.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Accazdatch</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/review-2010-subaru-outback/comment-page-1/#comment-1578860</link>
		<dc:creator>Accazdatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 02:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to let you know..
Subaru started out with FRONT drivers back in the late 70s...

But this LEGACY.. is everything thats fucked up about the CUV / SUV market.

The GOD DAMN car was being marketed for coming on 2yrs as a suv.. when in fact it was a CUV in the least (the difference meaning the frame the vehicle is built on).

The vehicle is / was in essence a WAGON!
A WAGON in every shape and or form of the word as we know it...

Its ugly.. to the point that ya cant even kill it with FIRE!
Its large to compete with every other &quot;midsize&quot; car (read: Accord and Camry) that have suddenly packed on the donuts.
To me.. it represents EVERYTHING that is Its popular in the market NOW (Read WRONG).
A clad vehicle.. (quietly masquerading as a sedan with a hatch  shhh WAGON, thats been jacked up to holy hell.)
It DOESNT have SNOW TIRES -- the basic essentials of a vehicle with AWD. Essentially VOIDING any and all traction ability this thing MIGHT have.. on the most positive ot notes. It essentially doesnt matter if it has a viscious coupling operating each tire through a pumpkin indepentdantly of the other with a million sensors and or shafts.. it doesnt have snows.. so the purpose of actually driving it as designed or intended..is now MOOT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Just to let you know..<br />
Subaru started out with FRONT drivers back in the late 70s&#8230;</p>
<p>But this LEGACY.. is everything thats fucked up about the CUV / SUV market.</p>
<p>The GOD DAMN car was being marketed for coming on 2yrs as a suv.. when in fact it was a CUV in the least (the difference meaning the frame the vehicle is built on).</p>
<p>The vehicle is / was in essence a WAGON!<br />
A WAGON in every shape and or form of the word as we know it&#8230;</p>
<p>Its ugly.. to the point that ya cant even kill it with FIRE!<br />
Its large to compete with every other &#8220;midsize&#8221; car (read: Accord and Camry) that have suddenly packed on the donuts.<br />
To me.. it represents EVERYTHING that is Its popular in the market NOW (Read WRONG).<br />
A clad vehicle.. (quietly masquerading as a sedan with a hatch  shhh WAGON, thats been jacked up to holy hell.)<br />
It DOESNT have SNOW TIRES &#8211; the basic essentials of a vehicle with AWD. Essentially VOIDING any and all traction ability this thing MIGHT have.. on the most positive ot notes. It essentially doesnt matter if it has a viscious coupling operating each tire through a pumpkin indepentdantly of the other with a million sensors and or shafts.. it doesnt have snows.. so the purpose of actually driving it as designed or intended..is now MOOT.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: ifi</title>
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		<dc:creator>ifi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I get from this review is that the reviewer does not like the looks of the 2010 Outback because it looks like some other popular cars and obviously CVT is not the right choice of transmission for everyone.

Is there a problem with 2.5i with Manual or 3.6R with Automatic?
Can the 2&quot; ground clearance increase cause any performance/reliability/safety issues?
Is there anything else I should consider before buying this car?
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->All I get from this review is that the reviewer does not like the looks of the 2010 Outback because it looks like some other popular cars and obviously CVT is not the right choice of transmission for everyone.</p>
<p>Is there a problem with 2.5i with Manual or 3.6R with Automatic?<br />
Can the 2&#8243; ground clearance increase cause any performance/reliability/safety issues?<br />
Is there anything else I should consider before buying this car?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: dendin</title>
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		<dc:creator>dendin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There must be a good reason that the Subaru Outback won the Motor Trend 2010 SUV of the year. I’m not the car expert but I’m relying on experts and professionals truthful comment. With all the articles I’ve been reading (Motor Trend, Car and Drivers, etc.) the 2010 Subaru Outback received pretty good reviews.


Any car has its strength and weakness. Depending on what you’re looking for and personal preference.


I bought a 2009 Subaru Impreza Outback Sport for my son in college. It is a great car in every aspect. I will have no second thought to purchase a second Subaru.

BTW, it is odd to see this review pictures from a dealer’s lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->There must be a good reason that the Subaru Outback won the Motor Trend 2010 SUV of the year. I’m not the car expert but I’m relying on experts and professionals truthful comment. With all the articles I’ve been reading (Motor Trend, Car and Drivers, etc.) the 2010 Subaru Outback received pretty good reviews.</p>
<p>Any car has its strength and weakness. Depending on what you’re looking for and personal preference.</p>
<p>I bought a 2009 Subaru Impreza Outback Sport for my son in college. It is a great car in every aspect. I will have no second thought to purchase a second Subaru.</p>
<p>BTW, it is odd to see this review pictures from a dealer’s lot.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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