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	<title>Comments on: Review: 2009 Nissan Frontier 4&#215;2 Crew Cab SE</title>
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		<title>By: cheezeweggie</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/review-2009-nissan-frontier-4x2-crew-cab-se/comment-page-1/#comment-1551565</link>
		<dc:creator>cheezeweggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny how people suggest buying a full size Ameri-yacht instead of those horrible little useless trucks because the 9.475 litre engine gets 1/4 MPG better than the tiny little 261 horsepower V6.  Once the body hardware starts falling off your Sliverado and your Dodge is on it&#039;s third transmission, my latest Nissan will more than likely be cruising onto another 300K on the odometer with minimal maintenance.  And mine even fits into the garage...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Funny how people suggest buying a full size Ameri-yacht instead of those horrible little useless trucks because the 9.475 litre engine gets 1/4 MPG better than the tiny little 261 horsepower V6.  Once the body hardware starts falling off your Sliverado and your Dodge is on it&#8217;s third transmission, my latest Nissan will more than likely be cruising onto another 300K on the odometer with minimal maintenance.  And mine even fits into the garage&#8230;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: SpikedLemon</title>
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		<dc:creator>SpikedLemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 02:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got an &#039;06 SE w/ 6spd manual but test drove the XE w/ the 5spd as well as an LE w/ automatic. I&#039;ve had it since new and am very happy with the truck.

The VQ (4.0 V6) is a monster engine well deserved of its reputation. The 6spd lets me image that I&#039;m in a much sportier vehicle than traction (reality) allows. The suspension is up for some aggressive manoevering though the OEM BFG tires are garbage and are a letdown with the rest of the package. It&#039;s quiet inside the cab and I happily take the truck for some long drives as it&#039;s comfortable and eats up the highway miles with ease.

Comparing to the XE (2.5L I4): the VQ stomps it everywhere. The XE could due with some additional torque or an extra cog in the transmission to give it a little more pep. It&#039;s not as though I didn&#039;t like driving it but back-to-back it&#039;s not a fair fight.

Fuel consumption on the VQ isn&#039;t all that bad w/ the 6spd. Highway I&#039;ve seen better than 24mpg (US) territory though winter city driving drives that figure down quickly (16-18mpg due to the A/C being on with the defrost). Even hauling motorcycles in the back through the mountains of KY: I could still hold 24mpg pretty steady and it&#039;s not until you get ~1000lbs or more in the back that you really notice the weight.

It&#039;s a typical Nissan manual transmission: clutch releases at the top of its travel with a fairly abrupt engagement - I prefer this arrangement than softer clutches found in many other vehicles. It&#039;s a nice sporty shift though the throw could be much shorter as it&#039;s quite a reach for shorter drivers (like my wife) to get into 5th gear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I&#8217;ve got an &#8216;06 SE w/ 6spd manual but test drove the XE w/ the 5spd as well as an LE w/ automatic. I&#8217;ve had it since new and am very happy with the truck.</p>
<p>The VQ (4.0 V6) is a monster engine well deserved of its reputation. The 6spd lets me image that I&#8217;m in a much sportier vehicle than traction (reality) allows. The suspension is up for some aggressive manoevering though the OEM BFG tires are garbage and are a letdown with the rest of the package. It&#8217;s quiet inside the cab and I happily take the truck for some long drives as it&#8217;s comfortable and eats up the highway miles with ease.</p>
<p>Comparing to the XE (2.5L I4): the VQ stomps it everywhere. The XE could due with some additional torque or an extra cog in the transmission to give it a little more pep. It&#8217;s not as though I didn&#8217;t like driving it but back-to-back it&#8217;s not a fair fight.</p>
<p>Fuel consumption on the VQ isn&#8217;t all that bad w/ the 6spd. Highway I&#8217;ve seen better than 24mpg (US) territory though winter city driving drives that figure down quickly (16-18mpg due to the A/C being on with the defrost). Even hauling motorcycles in the back through the mountains of KY: I could still hold 24mpg pretty steady and it&#8217;s not until you get ~1000lbs or more in the back that you really notice the weight.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a typical Nissan manual transmission: clutch releases at the top of its travel with a fairly abrupt engagement &#8211; I prefer this arrangement than softer clutches found in many other vehicles. It&#8217;s a nice sporty shift though the throw could be much shorter as it&#8217;s quite a reach for shorter drivers (like my wife) to get into 5th gear.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Polichinello</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/review-2009-nissan-frontier-4x2-crew-cab-se/comment-page-1/#comment-1523133</link>
		<dc:creator>Polichinello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 03:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know I&#039;m way late to this review, but felt like adding a word as I own an 08 Frontier SE.  The review is pretty accurate in its facts (one exception noted below).  It&#039;s a big &quot;small&quot; truck and the fuel economy is no great shakes, though lightening up on rpms will bump you up a couple mpg.  A commenter&#039;s point about the thin paint is very true.  I particularly feel this as I have an irresponsible neighbor with cats.

Yes, as far as a truck goes, value-wise a full-sized model would be better, but a lot of us need something of a mix between a car and a truck.  The Frontier is just great on that score.  It rides a hell of a lot better than a Tacoma.  You don&#039;t have to climb into the cab, as you do with a Taco or the full-sizes. My 78-yr-old mother-in-law with an artificial hip can get into the front.  For a truck it handles curves incredibly well and has comfortable drive, almost as good as my wife&#039;s 2003 TL.  

It really is funny how I test drove a number of full-sized and mid-sized pickups, but this one just...FELT...right.  I can&#039;t put my finger on it, but after about a block on a back road, I found myself saying, &quot;Yeah, this is what I need.&quot;

Then you have the bed.  As someone else noted, the tie down tracks are great.  I&#039;ve secured all sorts of stuff with them.  BTW, the plastic bins Williams mentions that are under the rear seat can be easily removed, so the back becomes a nice cargo area.

The back seat is small, but it&#039;s perfect for kids.  It&#039;s incredibly easy sticking my three-year-old in his car seat.

All in all, this is the best vehicle I&#039;ve had for what I need, and I&#039;ve had quite a few full-sized trucks and cars.  I&#039;m not saying that it&#039;s the car for everyone, but if you&#039;re looking for a truck, definitely give this one a drive.  That it&#039;s priced a few grand less than the Taco should be more than enough incentive.

On a completely superficial note, it&#039;s sort of funny how the profile of the Frontier Crewcab with the short bed resembles the Toyota Hiluxes I see on the BBC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I know I&#8217;m way late to this review, but felt like adding a word as I own an 08 Frontier SE.  The review is pretty accurate in its facts (one exception noted below).  It&#8217;s a big &#8220;small&#8221; truck and the fuel economy is no great shakes, though lightening up on rpms will bump you up a couple mpg.  A commenter&#8217;s point about the thin paint is very true.  I particularly feel this as I have an irresponsible neighbor with cats.</p>
<p>Yes, as far as a truck goes, value-wise a full-sized model would be better, but a lot of us need something of a mix between a car and a truck.  The Frontier is just great on that score.  It rides a hell of a lot better than a Tacoma.  You don&#8217;t have to climb into the cab, as you do with a Taco or the full-sizes. My 78-yr-old mother-in-law with an artificial hip can get into the front.  For a truck it handles curves incredibly well and has comfortable drive, almost as good as my wife&#8217;s 2003 TL.  </p>
<p>It really is funny how I test drove a number of full-sized and mid-sized pickups, but this one just&#8230;FELT&#8230;right.  I can&#8217;t put my finger on it, but after about a block on a back road, I found myself saying, &#8220;Yeah, this is what I need.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then you have the bed.  As someone else noted, the tie down tracks are great.  I&#8217;ve secured all sorts of stuff with them.  BTW, the plastic bins Williams mentions that are under the rear seat can be easily removed, so the back becomes a nice cargo area.</p>
<p>The back seat is small, but it&#8217;s perfect for kids.  It&#8217;s incredibly easy sticking my three-year-old in his car seat.</p>
<p>All in all, this is the best vehicle I&#8217;ve had for what I need, and I&#8217;ve had quite a few full-sized trucks and cars.  I&#8217;m not saying that it&#8217;s the car for everyone, but if you&#8217;re looking for a truck, definitely give this one a drive.  That it&#8217;s priced a few grand less than the Taco should be more than enough incentive.</p>
<p>On a completely superficial note, it&#8217;s sort of funny how the profile of the Frontier Crewcab with the short bed resembles the Toyota Hiluxes I see on the BBC.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: xtopherfishing</title>
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		<dc:creator>xtopherfishing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really wish there would be more reviews of base
model trucks rather than always picking the biggest engine versions.   This might go along with future trends in truck purchases too with fuel costs going up.  I own a &#039;08 Frontier Xe, 4cylinder, 5 speed and am very satisfied with it.  For my total mileage of 9,600 miles I have averaged 23 mpg in mostly highway driving.  Its shortcomings are thin paint, large turning circle, and center armrest that should be a little more forward to faciltate resting one&#039;s arm on it when seat is pulled forward.
It has AC that works quick and is very cold as well as fast heat output in the winter with heating system.  Tracks good in snow in its General Grabber tires (standard tires).  Its quiet and smooth riding on the highway.  Its 6 ft bed has come in handy many times.  Its extended cab is great for storing items that must be inside rather than in the bed.  I don&#039;t tow anything so can&#039;t comment on that.  I think its a great truck for the $17,100.00 (includes all taxes and license fees) that I paid for it.</description>
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model trucks rather than always picking the biggest engine versions.   This might go along with future trends in truck purchases too with fuel costs going up.  I own a &#8216;08 Frontier Xe, 4cylinder, 5 speed and am very satisfied with it.  For my total mileage of 9,600 miles I have averaged 23 mpg in mostly highway driving.  Its shortcomings are thin paint, large turning circle, and center armrest that should be a little more forward to faciltate resting one&#8217;s arm on it when seat is pulled forward.<br />
It has AC that works quick and is very cold as well as fast heat output in the winter with heating system.  Tracks good in snow in its General Grabber tires (standard tires).  Its quiet and smooth riding on the highway.  Its 6 ft bed has come in handy many times.  Its extended cab is great for storing items that must be inside rather than in the bed.  I don&#8217;t tow anything so can&#8217;t comment on that.  I think its a great truck for the $17,100.00 (includes all taxes and license fees) that I paid for it.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: armadamaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>armadamaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 10:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Ranger is it for the compact pickup market....maaaybe the Colorado/Canyon but that&#039;s stretching it. Fullsized trucks (F-150/Silverado/Ram) are gone and been jumbosized into obsecurity. Compact pickups are all but gone with the exception of the Ranger and have been made into the old fullsize trucks, with less bed space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->The Ranger is it for the compact pickup market&#8230;.maaaybe the Colorado/Canyon but that&#8217;s stretching it. Fullsized trucks (F-150/Silverado/Ram) are gone and been jumbosized into obsecurity. Compact pickups are all but gone with the exception of the Ranger and have been made into the old fullsize trucks, with less bed space.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: The Luigiian</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/review-2009-nissan-frontier-4x2-crew-cab-se/comment-page-1/#comment-1509483</link>
		<dc:creator>The Luigiian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I didn&#039;t even notice this review!

The Frontier is currently selling in fewer numbers than the Ranger, Colorado and Tacoma.

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2009/07/june-2009-top-10-truck-sales.html

I blame it on the base engine. It&#039;s a great truck with a lot of good points, but 152 hp isn&#039;t going to cut it in a 3700 pound vehicle. I calculated hp-to-weight ratings and it&#039;s got a worse lb-hp ratio than the Ranger four. And with automatic it barely struggles 19 mpg overall- barely two mpg higher than the much nicer but more thirsty V6.

I&#039;ve been promised help from my mother when I go out to buy my second vehicle in 2011. Because I&#039;m not interested in the next-gen versions of these vehicles (I don&#039;t feel like putting up with first-year reliability issues) I&#039;m looking at the current models. And only at the four-cylinder versions for the fuel economy. If Nissan doesn&#039;t give the base four at least ten or twenty more horsepower and pound-feet of torque by 2010 I may just end up picking up a super-cheap base Ranger early to take advantage of the heavy rebates they&#039;ve got right now.</description>
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<p>The Frontier is currently selling in fewer numbers than the Ranger, Colorado and Tacoma.</p>
<p><a href="http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2009/07/june-2009-top-10-truck-sales.html" rel="nofollow">http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2009/07/june-2009-top-10-truck-sales.html</a></p>
<p>I blame it on the base engine. It&#8217;s a great truck with a lot of good points, but 152 hp isn&#8217;t going to cut it in a 3700 pound vehicle. I calculated hp-to-weight ratings and it&#8217;s got a worse lb-hp ratio than the Ranger four. And with automatic it barely struggles 19 mpg overall- barely two mpg higher than the much nicer but more thirsty V6.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been promised help from my mother when I go out to buy my second vehicle in 2011. Because I&#8217;m not interested in the next-gen versions of these vehicles (I don&#8217;t feel like putting up with first-year reliability issues) I&#8217;m looking at the current models. And only at the four-cylinder versions for the fuel economy. If Nissan doesn&#8217;t give the base four at least ten or twenty more horsepower and pound-feet of torque by 2010 I may just end up picking up a super-cheap base Ranger early to take advantage of the heavy rebates they&#8217;ve got right now.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: fincar1</title>
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		<dc:creator>fincar1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am reminded of the initial introduction of the Datsun extended-cab model; the dealers in Fairbanks and Anchorage, of course, referred to it as the Alaska King Cab.

I&#039;m seeing a lot of sentiment here for a return to the pickups of old which were little more than motorized wheelbarrows. Sorry, never happen, they&#039;d cost too much to get through the hoops it takes to sell a new vehicle in this over-regulated country. Go find a 67-69 Chevy short narrow box truck; there were plenty of these with sixes and three-speeds. There was nothing simpler to keep running or easier to drive, and you could probably restore one for what a new Ranger costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I am reminded of the initial introduction of the Datsun extended-cab model; the dealers in Fairbanks and Anchorage, of course, referred to it as the Alaska King Cab.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m seeing a lot of sentiment here for a return to the pickups of old which were little more than motorized wheelbarrows. Sorry, never happen, they&#8217;d cost too much to get through the hoops it takes to sell a new vehicle in this over-regulated country. Go find a 67-69 Chevy short narrow box truck; there were plenty of these with sixes and three-speeds. There was nothing simpler to keep running or easier to drive, and you could probably restore one for what a new Ranger costs.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: agenthex</title>
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		<dc:creator>agenthex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;
Yeah, the Ranger fits the bill, but isn’t ford discontinuing it after 2010?&lt;/em&gt;

Folks tend to forget that trucks more often than not are purchased as male enhancement. To buy a small truck is seen, fair or not, as equivalent to admitting to a small package.</description>
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Yeah, the Ranger fits the bill, but isn’t ford discontinuing it after 2010?</em></p>
<p>Folks tend to forget that trucks more often than not are purchased as male enhancement. To buy a small truck is seen, fair or not, as equivalent to admitting to a small package.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: trk2</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/review-2009-nissan-frontier-4x2-crew-cab-se/comment-page-1/#comment-1507298</link>
		<dc:creator>trk2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;You can’t really buy a “compact” truck any more…. Unless you are willing to buy a Ranger, basically a 16 year old design from Ford&lt;/em&gt;

The Ranger in its current form can really only be compared from 1998 on.  To say that today&#039;s Ranger is similar to 1993-97 one is to overlook that since 1993 the Ranger has a new frame, new engines, new transmission, new front suspension, new steering, new brakes, and a new interior.  

Otherwise, I guess it is comparable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>You can’t really buy a “compact” truck any more…. Unless you are willing to buy a Ranger, basically a 16 year old design from Ford</em></p>
<p>The Ranger in its current form can really only be compared from 1998 on.  To say that today&#8217;s Ranger is similar to 1993-97 one is to overlook that since 1993 the Ranger has a new frame, new engines, new transmission, new front suspension, new steering, new brakes, and a new interior.  </p>
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		<title>By: Forty2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Forty2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 02:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been looking at the Frontier/Equator lately primarily because Nissan and Suzuki have giant rebates on them, up to $3500. The basic 4cyl-spd models after that are around $14k which is quite reasonable for what you get.

The model tested here is slightly ridiculous. I looked at one the other day and couldn&#039;t believe how big it was.

The Mahindra is more of what I want, except by all sources it will only come to the US with an automatic trans. Ugh. And speaking of which, finding any &quot;compact&quot; truck with a standard is impossible unless you want the most basic strippo model. I don&#039;t want all the bling but I don&#039;t want the rubber-mat special either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I have been looking at the Frontier/Equator lately primarily because Nissan and Suzuki have giant rebates on them, up to $3500. The basic 4cyl-spd models after that are around $14k which is quite reasonable for what you get.</p>
<p>The model tested here is slightly ridiculous. I looked at one the other day and couldn&#8217;t believe how big it was.</p>
<p>The Mahindra is more of what I want, except by all sources it will only come to the US with an automatic trans. Ugh. And speaking of which, finding any &#8220;compact&#8221; truck with a standard is impossible unless you want the most basic strippo model. I don&#8217;t want all the bling but I don&#8217;t want the rubber-mat special either.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: ctoan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ctoan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;mikey&lt;/em&gt;

Believe it or not, they build houses and have farms and do landscaping in other countries, too, and they don&#039;t all have, need, or desire oversized trucks with which to do it.</description>
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<p>Believe it or not, they build houses and have farms and do landscaping in other countries, too, and they don&#8217;t all have, need, or desire oversized trucks with which to do it.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: paris-dakar</title>
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		<dc:creator>paris-dakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Cross platform interchange would also be nice. The 20R engine was in the Celica and pick-up and the Corona, I believe. Stuff such as that helps keep costs down along with long-term cost of ownership when repair parts are needed.&lt;/em&gt;

From what I recall, the Nissan 240SX shared the entire Driveline with the Nissan Compact Pick Up of the day (I think that was pre-Frontier).</description>
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<p>From what I recall, the Nissan 240SX shared the entire Driveline with the Nissan Compact Pick Up of the day (I think that was pre-Frontier).<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Dynamic88</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/review-2009-nissan-frontier-4x2-crew-cab-se/comment-page-1/#comment-1506930</link>
		<dc:creator>Dynamic88</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Yeah, the Ranger fits the bill, but isn’t ford discontinuing it after 2010?&lt;/strong&gt;

They had said that, but I thought they had reconsidered.  Googling tells me the St. Paul plant is still on the chopping block for 2011.  

The thing is, this is going to be an important segment for many more years - perhaps increasingly important as gas continues to climb in price.   

Ranger sales are up 8.8% for June &#039;09 compared to June &#039;08.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><strong>Yeah, the Ranger fits the bill, but isn’t ford discontinuing it after 2010?</strong></p>
<p>They had said that, but I thought they had reconsidered.  Googling tells me the St. Paul plant is still on the chopping block for 2011.  </p>
<p>The thing is, this is going to be an important segment for many more years &#8211; perhaps increasingly important as gas continues to climb in price.   </p>
<p>Ranger sales are up 8.8% for June &#8216;09 compared to June &#8216;08.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Frank Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt; tonycd 
Where does the Ridgeline fit into this discussion? Too pricey? Not enough power to tow?&lt;/em&gt;

If the discussion is of BOF pickups, the Ridegeline doens&#039;t fit.  It&#039;s basically a unit-body AWD Pilot with the roof over the cargo area chopped off.  

That makes a very comfortable, roomy truck when it comes to the passengers but not so great for cargo. It has a 5-foot bed which drastically limits what you can carry with the tailgate up (with it down it extends to about 6.5 feet).  

The &quot;in bed&quot; trunk they like to tout is a great idea - until you have the bed loaded with bags of mulch and need to get something out of that trunk (like, maybe, the spare tire).  

No doubt it fills a niche in the truck market for people who who want something fancy that&#039;ll carry 5 passengers but occasionally need to carry stuff that&#039;s too messy/stinky/tall to fit in the back of a SUV.  However, the small bed and relatively high price keep it from being a serious competitor in the small/midsize pickup market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em> tonycd<br />
Where does the Ridgeline fit into this discussion? Too pricey? Not enough power to tow?</em></p>
<p>If the discussion is of BOF pickups, the Ridegeline doens&#8217;t fit.  It&#8217;s basically a unit-body AWD Pilot with the roof over the cargo area chopped off.  </p>
<p>That makes a very comfortable, roomy truck when it comes to the passengers but not so great for cargo. It has a 5-foot bed which drastically limits what you can carry with the tailgate up (with it down it extends to about 6.5 feet).  </p>
<p>The &#8220;in bed&#8221; trunk they like to tout is a great idea &#8211; until you have the bed loaded with bags of mulch and need to get something out of that trunk (like, maybe, the spare tire).  </p>
<p>No doubt it fills a niche in the truck market for people who who want something fancy that&#8217;ll carry 5 passengers but occasionally need to carry stuff that&#8217;s too messy/stinky/tall to fit in the back of a SUV.  However, the small bed and relatively high price keep it from being a serious competitor in the small/midsize pickup market.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: baldheadeddork</title>
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		<dc:creator>baldheadeddork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest problem with this Nissan is the configuration. Take any midsize truck, outfit it as a crew cab, drop in the V6 and you&#039;re going to wind up with a truck that costs almost as much as a full size, get same or worse fuel economy, and offers less utility. 

The lesson from these reviews (I remember a similar line of complaints about the TTAC review of the Tacoma) is that if you want economy and value in a compact truck then keep it compact! Get the regular cab, or maybe the extended cab and only choose the four-cylinder engine. If you want or need more than that, including 4WD, don&#039;t waste your time with the Frontier/Tacoma/Colorado/Ranger end of the lot. You&#039;ll get a better deal and more for your money with a full size truck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->The biggest problem with this Nissan is the configuration. Take any midsize truck, outfit it as a crew cab, drop in the V6 and you&#8217;re going to wind up with a truck that costs almost as much as a full size, get same or worse fuel economy, and offers less utility. </p>
<p>The lesson from these reviews (I remember a similar line of complaints about the TTAC review of the Tacoma) is that if you want economy and value in a compact truck then keep it compact! Get the regular cab, or maybe the extended cab and only choose the four-cylinder engine. If you want or need more than that, including 4WD, don&#8217;t waste your time with the Frontier/Tacoma/Colorado/Ranger end of the lot. You&#8217;ll get a better deal and more for your money with a full size truck.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: rpn453</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/review-2009-nissan-frontier-4x2-crew-cab-se/comment-page-1/#comment-1506909</link>
		<dc:creator>rpn453</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 08:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;mikey : If you wann’a play trucks with the big boys,you buy a Siverado,Ram or a F 150. If you wann’a play with the wannabe’s go buy an import.&lt;/em&gt;

Toyota and Nissan make 1/2-tons too.  No wannabes there.  Or are the &quot;big boys&quot; actually a group of fat guys you know who only like domestics and shun anyone who owns something else?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>mikey : If you wann’a play trucks with the big boys,you buy a Siverado,Ram or a F 150. If you wann’a play with the wannabe’s go buy an import.</em></p>
<p>Toyota and Nissan make 1/2-tons too.  No wannabes there.  Or are the &#8220;big boys&#8221; actually a group of fat guys you know who only like domestics and shun anyone who owns something else?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: obbop</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/review-2009-nissan-frontier-4x2-crew-cab-se/comment-page-1/#comment-1506875</link>
		<dc:creator>obbop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 04:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1972-1/2 Datsun Lil Hustler, the first of the &quot;modern&quot; itty bitty trucks by Datsun.

A romping 1600 cc of poke-alongness but on flat land without a heavy load it accelerated fine.

Basic and reliable, just a shame it did not have today&#039;s reliable fuel injection so as to avoid intricate carburetors and their quirks.

Better yet was the 1978 Toyota Hilux with the awesome 20R motorvator. Reliable as heck but mine had the rare auto tranny.  Hurt the mpg but that tranny was reliable and rugged.

Pulled a trailer with around 6,000 of metal upon it. Surprised how quickly it accelerated to 50 mph but fear and common sense had me stop at 50 mph.

Both were reliable solid trucks but am glad I did not have to drive in the salt/rust belt with them.

Very basic vehicles that could conceivably be sold for 10K bucks or so today, perhaps a bit more, and still provide a profit to the manufacturer.

Of course, those early trucks did not try to emulate a decked-out upscale car.

Might be time for a devolution.

Toss out all the fluff and stuff and offer the masses a basic conveyance. 

Cross platform interchange would also be nice. The 20R engine was in the Celica and pick-up and the Corona, I believe. Stuff such as that helps keep costs down along with long-term cost of ownership when repair parts are needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->1972-1/2 Datsun Lil Hustler, the first of the &#8220;modern&#8221; itty bitty trucks by Datsun.</p>
<p>A romping 1600 cc of poke-alongness but on flat land without a heavy load it accelerated fine.</p>
<p>Basic and reliable, just a shame it did not have today&#8217;s reliable fuel injection so as to avoid intricate carburetors and their quirks.</p>
<p>Better yet was the 1978 Toyota Hilux with the awesome 20R motorvator. Reliable as heck but mine had the rare auto tranny.  Hurt the mpg but that tranny was reliable and rugged.</p>
<p>Pulled a trailer with around 6,000 of metal upon it. Surprised how quickly it accelerated to 50 mph but fear and common sense had me stop at 50 mph.</p>
<p>Both were reliable solid trucks but am glad I did not have to drive in the salt/rust belt with them.</p>
<p>Very basic vehicles that could conceivably be sold for 10K bucks or so today, perhaps a bit more, and still provide a profit to the manufacturer.</p>
<p>Of course, those early trucks did not try to emulate a decked-out upscale car.</p>
<p>Might be time for a devolution.</p>
<p>Toss out all the fluff and stuff and offer the masses a basic conveyance. </p>
<p>Cross platform interchange would also be nice. The 20R engine was in the Celica and pick-up and the Corona, I believe. Stuff such as that helps keep costs down along with long-term cost of ownership when repair parts are needed.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: BlueBrat</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/review-2009-nissan-frontier-4x2-crew-cab-se/comment-page-1/#comment-1506867</link>
		<dc:creator>BlueBrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 04:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a lot of fun as a kid riding in the bed-seats of a Brat. That was awesome. Seats in the bed of a pickup never get old, regardless of how redneck or stupid that seems to have become nowadays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I had a lot of fun as a kid riding in the bed-seats of a Brat. That was awesome. Seats in the bed of a pickup never get old, regardless of how redneck or stupid that seems to have become nowadays.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: NulloModo</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/review-2009-nissan-frontier-4x2-crew-cab-se/comment-page-1/#comment-1506855</link>
		<dc:creator>NulloModo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 03:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Ranger is about perfect as an inexpensive work and utility truck, but I wouldn&#039;t want to have one as a daily driver.  While the Ranger&#039;s benefits include low price to buy, low price to maintain, great reliability, and low prices to repair if anything does go wrong, it is about as utilitarian as pickups go.  The (optional) AC is ice cold, the interior is durable, the stereo sounds decent in the small cabin, and the (optional) cloth seats are comfortable, but those are about it when it comes to comfort features.  For a second (or third) vehicle used entirely for towing/hauling/mucking-about the Ranger fits the bill perfectly.

The Ridgeline is expensive (starts at around 28K before incentives), recommends premium fuel for towing applications, and has developed a reputation for not holding together well when used hard in work truck applications.  Other than that, it is comfortable, reliable when not pushed too hard, and is one of the nicest pickups to have as a daily driver car substitute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->The Ranger is about perfect as an inexpensive work and utility truck, but I wouldn&#8217;t want to have one as a daily driver.  While the Ranger&#8217;s benefits include low price to buy, low price to maintain, great reliability, and low prices to repair if anything does go wrong, it is about as utilitarian as pickups go.  The (optional) AC is ice cold, the interior is durable, the stereo sounds decent in the small cabin, and the (optional) cloth seats are comfortable, but those are about it when it comes to comfort features.  For a second (or third) vehicle used entirely for towing/hauling/mucking-about the Ranger fits the bill perfectly.</p>
<p>The Ridgeline is expensive (starts at around 28K before incentives), recommends premium fuel for towing applications, and has developed a reputation for not holding together well when used hard in work truck applications.  Other than that, it is comfortable, reliable when not pushed too hard, and is one of the nicest pickups to have as a daily driver car substitute.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: tonycd</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/review-2009-nissan-frontier-4x2-crew-cab-se/comment-page-1/#comment-1506844</link>
		<dc:creator>tonycd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 02:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where does the Ridgeline fit into this discussion? Too pricey? Not enough power to tow?</description>
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		<title>By: paris-dakar</title>
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		<dc:creator>paris-dakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 01:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, the Ranger fits the bill, but isn&#039;t ford discontinuing it after 2010?</description>
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		<title>By: RedStapler</title>
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		<dc:creator>RedStapler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 01:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paris-Dakar:

Mahandria is close to this small truck ideal size and price point. Unfortunately Depression 2.0 has delayed their entry into the US market.  Right now Ford more or less has this market to itself with the base 2WD, 5 speed Ranger. For $3k more you can get a stripper F-150 with a V-6. 

My father has a 2005 4WD four door frontier. I second the observations about weak fuel economy and poor turning radius. I&#039;ve driven class 8 tractors with better wheel cut than the Frontier. In mostly city commuting it has fuel economy in the low teens.</description>
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<p>Mahandria is close to this small truck ideal size and price point. Unfortunately Depression 2.0 has delayed their entry into the US market.  Right now Ford more or less has this market to itself with the base 2WD, 5 speed Ranger. For $3k more you can get a stripper F-150 with a V-6. </p>
<p>My father has a 2005 4WD four door frontier. I second the observations about weak fuel economy and poor turning radius. I&#8217;ve driven class 8 tractors with better wheel cut than the Frontier. In mostly city commuting it has fuel economy in the low teens.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Dynamic88</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dynamic88</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 01:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;I totally agree here. The market in the US is wide open for someone to sell a cheap BOF Compact Pick-Up. Make its base Powertrain a 2.0L in the 175hp output range with a 5 Speed Manual. Make a Standard Cab/6 Ft Bed version available and price it around $15-17K.&lt;/strong&gt;

You&#039;re in luck.  Ford makes a compact PU they call the Ranger.  It&#039;s BOF, and priced at just over $16K (XL model) The engine is just a little larger than you want, at 2.3L, but it has class leading MPGs.  The power is a bit less than your specification at 143hp.  5spd manual is the base tranny.  You can have a choice of 6&#039; or 7&#039; beds.  As far as I know, it&#039;s the only compact truck offering a 7&#039; bed option.  

IMO the Ranger gets slammed too much.  It&#039;s a pity that Ford has neglected it all these years, but it&#039;s still a basically sound compact PU platform.   It needs to have a styling refresh, (because my &#039;98 looks modern  - or the new Rangers look like &#039;98s, take your pick) but Ford doesn&#039;t need to throw it away and start over like GM did when they replaced their S-10 with their Colorado.   Refresh and improve.  

Somewhere in their word wide operations, I&#039;d imagine Ford has a nice I4 diesel that they could start dropping in the Ranger.  

But I digress, we were talking about the Frontier.</description>
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<p>You&#8217;re in luck.  Ford makes a compact PU they call the Ranger.  It&#8217;s BOF, and priced at just over $16K (XL model) The engine is just a little larger than you want, at 2.3L, but it has class leading MPGs.  The power is a bit less than your specification at 143hp.  5spd manual is the base tranny.  You can have a choice of 6&#8242; or 7&#8242; beds.  As far as I know, it&#8217;s the only compact truck offering a 7&#8242; bed option.  </p>
<p>IMO the Ranger gets slammed too much.  It&#8217;s a pity that Ford has neglected it all these years, but it&#8217;s still a basically sound compact PU platform.   It needs to have a styling refresh, (because my &#8216;98 looks modern  &#8211; or the new Rangers look like &#8217;98s, take your pick) but Ford doesn&#8217;t need to throw it away and start over like GM did when they replaced their S-10 with their Colorado.   Refresh and improve.  </p>
<p>Somewhere in their word wide operations, I&#8217;d imagine Ford has a nice I4 diesel that they could start dropping in the Ranger.  </p>
<p>But I digress, we were talking about the Frontier.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: paris-dakar</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 01:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;The Toyota T100 was very nicely sized too, and you could lay down 4×8 sheet goods in the bed.
&lt;/em&gt;

That was a great concept for a Pick Up.  I&#039;d rather have a 2.5L I4 with a 5 Speed Manual in a Truck with a true 8ft Bed than any of these current &#039;Compact&#039; Pick Ups.</description>
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<p>That was a great concept for a Pick Up.  I&#8217;d rather have a 2.5L I4 with a 5 Speed Manual in a Truck with a true 8ft Bed than any of these current &#8216;Compact&#8217; Pick Ups.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: mikey</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 00:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you wann&#039;a play trucks with the big boys,you buy a Siverado,Ram or a F 150. If you wann&#039;a play with the wannabe&#039;s go buy an import.</description>
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