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	<title>Comments on: Quote Of The Day: There Are Incentives And Then There Are Incentives Edition</title>
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		<title>By: KixStart</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/quote-of-the-day-there-are-incentives-and-then-there-are-incentives-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-1542648</link>
		<dc:creator>KixStart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CyCarConsulting: &lt;em&gt;&quot;With the dealers lean on inventory, GM could ease back into it very methodically, without devaluing the product once again.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Are the dealers &quot;lean on inventory?&quot;  The Camry outsells the Malibu by at least 2 to 1 (3 to 1 during August C4C Madness), yet Malibus, for example, in local inventories seem to outnumber Camrys by 1.5 to 1.</description>
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<p>Are the dealers &#8220;lean on inventory?&#8221;  The Camry outsells the Malibu by at least 2 to 1 (3 to 1 during August C4C Madness), yet Malibus, for example, in local inventories seem to outnumber Camrys by 1.5 to 1.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: KixStart</title>
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		<dc:creator>KixStart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe there&#039;s another dimension to incentives... they can be used as a &quot;down payment&quot; in many cases.  The finance company doesn&#039;t write a loan for more than the &quot;price&quot; of the car and everybody&#039;s satisfied and the books look OK but, in reality, it&#039;s a low-quality loan and the buyer is fully upside down.

Too many low-quality loans will wreck a company.

Incentives may be the only way that certain consumers can afford a new car and perhaps help create an unsustainable market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Maybe there&#8217;s another dimension to incentives&#8230; they can be used as a &#8220;down payment&#8221; in many cases.  The finance company doesn&#8217;t write a loan for more than the &#8220;price&#8221; of the car and everybody&#8217;s satisfied and the books look OK but, in reality, it&#8217;s a low-quality loan and the buyer is fully upside down.</p>
<p>Too many low-quality loans will wreck a company.</p>
<p>Incentives may be the only way that certain consumers can afford a new car and perhaps help create an unsustainable market.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Happy_Endings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Happy_Endings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;We seem to be assuming that incentives are a bad thing here. Are they?&lt;/em&gt;

Incentives aren&#039;t bad, if they&#039;re manageable.  GM&#039;s average incentives are $3,278.  The average new car price is $26,300.  Add that three grand back in and GM&#039;s incentives are over 11% of the price of the car.  That isn&#039;t manageable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>We seem to be assuming that incentives are a bad thing here. Are they?</em></p>
<p>Incentives aren&#8217;t bad, if they&#8217;re manageable.  GM&#8217;s average incentives are $3,278.  The average new car price is $26,300.  Add that three grand back in and GM&#8217;s incentives are over 11% of the price of the car.  That isn&#8217;t manageable.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: ronin</title>
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		<dc:creator>ronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The need to offer incentives is a tacit understanding that their prices are too high for the market.

If their prices were not too high they wouldn&#039;t need taxpayer bailouts, whether in the form of direct payments (oh, sorry, &quot;loans&quot;), seizing capital from bondholders, or not-cash for clunkers bailouts.

Their too-high prices are being propped up by one gimmick or another, so that the taxpayer overpays not only when buying the product, but in paying taxes and taking on debt for his kids and grandkids.

And I should feel bad when they have to offer their meager incentives, little changed in actual value over the last decade, while their MSRP prices are rising, several times over the last year, and again as I type?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->The need to offer incentives is a tacit understanding that their prices are too high for the market.</p>
<p>If their prices were not too high they wouldn&#8217;t need taxpayer bailouts, whether in the form of direct payments (oh, sorry, &#8220;loans&#8221;), seizing capital from bondholders, or not-cash for clunkers bailouts.</p>
<p>Their too-high prices are being propped up by one gimmick or another, so that the taxpayer overpays not only when buying the product, but in paying taxes and taking on debt for his kids and grandkids.</p>
<p>And I should feel bad when they have to offer their meager incentives, little changed in actual value over the last decade, while their MSRP prices are rising, several times over the last year, and again as I type?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: FreedMike</title>
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		<dc:creator>FreedMike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 06:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We seem to be assuming that incentives are a bad thing here. Are they?

Frankly, I can&#039;t think of an industry that doesn&#039;t give deals when sales are slow. 

Would a switch to one-price, no sales gimmick pricing work for a brand? Saturn tried it, and it worked until its cars got so stale that no one wanted them anymore. 

Maybe there&#039;s an opening here for someone, though I&#039;d guess it&#039;d have to be a niche brand like Subaru or VW. The GMs, Toyotas and Fords of the world won&#039;t stop the rebate gravy train any time soon.</description>
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<p>Frankly, I can&#8217;t think of an industry that doesn&#8217;t give deals when sales are slow. </p>
<p>Would a switch to one-price, no sales gimmick pricing work for a brand? Saturn tried it, and it worked until its cars got so stale that no one wanted them anymore. </p>
<p>Maybe there&#8217;s an opening here for someone, though I&#8217;d guess it&#8217;d have to be a niche brand like Subaru or VW. The GMs, Toyotas and Fords of the world won&#8217;t stop the rebate gravy train any time soon.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: mikey</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 00:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Third shifts added,2400 people get recalled. Sounds like good news to me.
 
 In the car production world you don&#039;t add a shift to fill a short term gap,when OT will do the trick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Third shifts added,2400 people get recalled. Sounds like good news to me.</p>
<p> In the car production world you don&#8217;t add a shift to fill a short term gap,when OT will do the trick.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Dimwit</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/quote-of-the-day-there-are-incentives-and-then-there-are-incentives-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-1542525</link>
		<dc:creator>Dimwit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest problem that both Chryco and GM have is that they&#039;ve been reduced to the dogs. These things won&#039;t sell unless you practically give them away. Most will be dumped into fleets. Weird option pkgs and less than popular colours on slow selling models.

What they will produce are the most popular models with the best option group. I&#039;m sure that the plan is to have these move quick and provide cashflow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->The biggest problem that both Chryco and GM have is that they&#8217;ve been reduced to the dogs. These things won&#8217;t sell unless you practically give them away. Most will be dumped into fleets. Weird option pkgs and less than popular colours on slow selling models.</p>
<p>What they will produce are the most popular models with the best option group. I&#8217;m sure that the plan is to have these move quick and provide cashflow.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: porschespeed</title>
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		<dc:creator>porschespeed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more things change, the more they stay the same...</description>
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		<title>By: CyCarConsulting</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/quote-of-the-day-there-are-incentives-and-then-there-are-incentives-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-1542501</link>
		<dc:creator>CyCarConsulting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If production reaches a glut level again, look for the rebates, and all the give away programs. With the dealers lean on inventory, GM could ease back into it very methodically, without devaluing the product once again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->If production reaches a glut level again, look for the rebates, and all the give away programs. With the dealers lean on inventory, GM could ease back into it very methodically, without devaluing the product once again.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: gslippy</title>
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		<dc:creator>gslippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m tellin&#039; ya, no-haggle pricing is the way to go.  One price, no gimmicks, rebates, incentives, or funny money, and then deal only on trade-in values.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I&#8217;m tellin&#8217; ya, no-haggle pricing is the way to go.  One price, no gimmicks, rebates, incentives, or funny money, and then deal only on trade-in values.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: segfault</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/quote-of-the-day-there-are-incentives-and-then-there-are-incentives-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-1542443</link>
		<dc:creator>segfault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re adding shifts in hopes of a second C4C program to sell the inventory.  

Time for New GM Bankruptcy Watch...</description>
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<p>Time for New GM Bankruptcy Watch&#8230;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: panzerfaust</title>
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		<dc:creator>panzerfaust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I got nothin&quot; pt II</description>
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