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		<title>By: altdude</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/question-of-the-day-whats-your-favorite-failure/comment-page-2/#comment-203542</link>
		<dc:creator>altdude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll go with the Lancia Beta series.  They sold this in the US starting in about 1975.  Great car, semi-exotic looking exterior and a beautiful Italian leather interior.  The Beta Coupe was a great 3-series alternative, and the Beta Zagato was a unique 2-seater convertible.  Not to mention the very fast Beta HPE (high-performance estate) &#039;shooting brake&#039; hatchback.

Except... the electrical system was *worse* than the Lucas electrics inside Jaguars of the time, and uh, Fiat forgot that we get snow in the northeast, which is where most of them ended up being sold.  And snow means salt... and salt means rust, especially on a car without rustproofing!  They never fixed the electrical issue (Americans like their cars to you know, actually start), and it took them until about 1980 to fix the rust issue.  Didn&#039;t help Lancia&#039;s reputation, and sadly they withdrew in about 1983.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I&#8217;ll go with the Lancia Beta series.  They sold this in the US starting in about 1975.  Great car, semi-exotic looking exterior and a beautiful Italian leather interior.  The Beta Coupe was a great 3-series alternative, and the Beta Zagato was a unique 2-seater convertible.  Not to mention the very fast Beta HPE (high-performance estate) &#8217;shooting brake&#8217; hatchback.</p>
<p>Except&#8230; the electrical system was *worse* than the Lucas electrics inside Jaguars of the time, and uh, Fiat forgot that we get snow in the northeast, which is where most of them ended up being sold.  And snow means salt&#8230; and salt means rust, especially on a car without rustproofing!  They never fixed the electrical issue (Americans like their cars to you know, actually start), and it took them until about 1980 to fix the rust issue.  Didn&#8217;t help Lancia&#8217;s reputation, and sadly they withdrew in about 1983.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Nicodemus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicodemus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 12:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ingvar,

&quot;Poor build quality, high on the ground, quirky styling, only 4-cylinder, and no rag-top. And it was based on the very humble Morris Marina underpinnings. Could it be any worse?&quot;

Point of order here

1. The car was available in V8
2. There was a full convertible version
3. It had no relation whatsoever to the Marina (apart from door handles and some versions that were fitted with a derivative of the Marina four speed).

It did have a lot in common with the SD1 Rover however.

Not that I like the vehicle, but in the context of mid-seventies cars it is a long bow to call the styling &quot;Quirky&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Ingvar,</p>
<p>&#8220;Poor build quality, high on the ground, quirky styling, only 4-cylinder, and no rag-top. And it was based on the very humble Morris Marina underpinnings. Could it be any worse?&#8221;</p>
<p>Point of order here</p>
<p>1. The car was available in V8<br />
2. There was a full convertible version<br />
3. It had no relation whatsoever to the Marina (apart from door handles and some versions that were fitted with a derivative of the Marina four speed).</p>
<p>It did have a lot in common with the SD1 Rover however.</p>
<p>Not that I like the vehicle, but in the context of mid-seventies cars it is a long bow to call the styling &#8220;Quirky&#8221;.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: NickR</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/question-of-the-day-whats-your-favorite-failure/comment-page-2/#comment-200862</link>
		<dc:creator>NickR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Basically the entire motley collection of eastern Bloc cars that arrived in Canada after glasnost.  Of course, there&#039;s the obvious, the Lada.  But there was also the ROC, an eastern European sports utility.  Then there was the Dacia Vultura, a combination of an extremely dated Renault design combined with Communism&#039;s legendary build quality.  And last, there&#039;s the one I had first hand experience with...the old Skoda.  Think of it as four dour sedan based on a rear engined, air cooled design, with body panels containing a secret rust accelerant (I think it was something Russia developed to pour on NATO tanks to put them out of action in the event of war.)  John Deere never put out anything this primitive.  Add a complete absence of parts availability...

Of course, returning the domestics...  I find ther cars that I look at now that look like crap BUT I can sort of forgive them knowing that at the time their awfulness probably didn&#039;t stand out.  One exception is the 1962 Dodge Dart and it&#039;s Plymouth equivalent.  They are awful...period.  Oddly enough, as recently as 10 years ago I saw a 62 Savoy 2 door sedan at a used car dealer in upstate NY.  I was almost tempted to buy it as a curio.

Of course, the 60 and 61 were appallingly ugly as well.  This may be an urban myth, but I remember reading that the 61 had those odd side mounted tail ligths because it was well into the design process and they still hadn&#039;t worked tailights into the design, so they hastily added a side mounted design based on a contemporary flashlight.  Sounds bogus but...have you seen the car?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Basically the entire motley collection of eastern Bloc cars that arrived in Canada after glasnost.  Of course, there&#8217;s the obvious, the Lada.  But there was also the ROC, an eastern European sports utility.  Then there was the Dacia Vultura, a combination of an extremely dated Renault design combined with Communism&#8217;s legendary build quality.  And last, there&#8217;s the one I had first hand experience with&#8230;the old Skoda.  Think of it as four dour sedan based on a rear engined, air cooled design, with body panels containing a secret rust accelerant (I think it was something Russia developed to pour on NATO tanks to put them out of action in the event of war.)  John Deere never put out anything this primitive.  Add a complete absence of parts availability&#8230;</p>
<p>Of course, returning the domestics&#8230;  I find ther cars that I look at now that look like crap BUT I can sort of forgive them knowing that at the time their awfulness probably didn&#8217;t stand out.  One exception is the 1962 Dodge Dart and it&#8217;s Plymouth equivalent.  They are awful&#8230;period.  Oddly enough, as recently as 10 years ago I saw a 62 Savoy 2 door sedan at a used car dealer in upstate NY.  I was almost tempted to buy it as a curio.</p>
<p>Of course, the 60 and 61 were appallingly ugly as well.  This may be an urban myth, but I remember reading that the 61 had those odd side mounted tail ligths because it was well into the design process and they still hadn&#8217;t worked tailights into the design, so they hastily added a side mounted design based on a contemporary flashlight.  Sounds bogus but&#8230;have you seen the car?!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: mlbrown</title>
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		<dc:creator>mlbrown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whenever I see an Aztek on the street, I wonder how long it took for the buyer&#039;s remorse to set in.

I imagine the owner looking out to his or her driveway and saying, &quot;aw, shit.&quot;

-Matt</description>
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<p>I imagine the owner looking out to his or her driveway and saying, &#8220;aw, shit.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: detroit1701</title>
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		<dc:creator>detroit1701</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 16:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fourth the Pontiac Fiero. 

1996 Ford Taurus and 2004 Non-C1 Focus (just failures, not favorites).

Non-Northstar Cadillac Allantes (GM in N/A should try another collaboration with Pinanfarina)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I fourth the Pontiac Fiero. </p>
<p>1996 Ford Taurus and 2004 Non-C1 Focus (just failures, not favorites).</p>
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		<title>By: whynotaztec</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/question-of-the-day-whats-your-favorite-failure/comment-page-2/#comment-200192</link>
		<dc:creator>whynotaztec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 16:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t mean to beat the Aztec drum any further, but I think TTAC has an opportunity to go out and interview 5 owners that bought brand new, and ask them just why did they buy this thing?  I think it would be fascinating insight into a car buyer&#039;s mind.....or decision process...or something</description>
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		<title>By: Ingvar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ingvar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 16:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Triumph TR7.&lt;/strong&gt;

When British Leyland was to replace its &lt;em&gt;entire line up &lt;/em&gt;of sports cars from Midget to E-Type, they came up with this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_TR7

Poor build quality, high on the ground, quirky styling, only 4-cylinder, and no rag-top. And it was based on the very humble Morris Marina underpinnings. Could it be any worse?

Remember, it was supposed to replace the entire range:

Triumph Spitfire
Triumph GT6
Triumph TR6
MG Midget/Sprite
MG MGB
and Jaguar E-type had no proper replacement in the XJ-S.

For those interested in the rise and fall of the British car empire of BMC/BLMH/British Leyland/Austin-Rover Group and so on, I can recommend this site:

http://www.aronline.co.uk/

Read that, and you will have much fun for several weeks, it is perhaps the best site on the internet, including TTAC. It is also very interesting to draw the historical parallels to modern day Detroit. The demise of the British motor inustry from early 60&#039;s until now is the tale of the mother of all screw-ups. Lessons should have been learned. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><strong>Triumph TR7.</strong></p>
<p>When British Leyland was to replace its <em>entire line up </em>of sports cars from Midget to E-Type, they came up with this:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_TR7" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_TR7</a></p>
<p>Poor build quality, high on the ground, quirky styling, only 4-cylinder, and no rag-top. And it was based on the very humble Morris Marina underpinnings. Could it be any worse?</p>
<p>Remember, it was supposed to replace the entire range:</p>
<p>Triumph Spitfire<br />
Triumph GT6<br />
Triumph TR6<br />
MG Midget/Sprite<br />
MG MGB<br />
and Jaguar E-type had no proper replacement in the XJ-S.</p>
<p>For those interested in the rise and fall of the British car empire of BMC/BLMH/British Leyland/Austin-Rover Group and so on, I can recommend this site:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aronline.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://www.aronline.co.uk/</a></p>
<p>Read that, and you will have much fun for several weeks, it is perhaps the best site on the internet, including TTAC. It is also very interesting to draw the historical parallels to modern day Detroit. The demise of the British motor inustry from early 60&#8217;s until now is the tale of the mother of all screw-ups. Lessons should have been learned.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: rev0lver</title>
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		<dc:creator>rev0lver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 1995-1999 Buick Riviera was a very good looking car.</description>
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		<title>By: Mark MacInnis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark MacInnis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I nominate 2:

1.  Buick Reatta...2 seat, underpowered, poor handling and overpriced....what WERE they thinking

2.  The Last Ford Thud-erbird.  Can&#039;t believe no one nominated this one. 2 seats, bloated, slow and poor handling.

Hmmmm.  I see a theme.  2 seats - performance = poor sales.</description>
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<p>1.  Buick Reatta&#8230;2 seat, underpowered, poor handling and overpriced&#8230;.what WERE they thinking</p>
<p>2.  The Last Ford Thud-erbird.  Can&#8217;t believe no one nominated this one. 2 seats, bloated, slow and poor handling.</p>
<p>Hmmmm.  I see a theme.  2 seats &#8211; performance = poor sales.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Blastman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blastman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Volkswagen Thing.

This VW has the Aztec beat in the ugly department. There must be some family relation to the Aztec -- like a Grandparent or something. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_181

I can&#039;t imagine the board meeting they had to name that vehicle … &lt;i&gt; &quot;What should we name this &lt;b&gt;thing&lt;/b&gt; … … hey wait a sec. ……. I have a an idea …….&quot;&lt;/i&gt;  … … OK. That was quick, see you guys at the golf course. 

They should make all the people that participated in that vehicle and its name drive one for 5 years as punishment.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->The Volkswagen Thing.</p>
<p>This VW has the Aztec beat in the ugly department. There must be some family relation to the Aztec &#8212; like a Grandparent or something. </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_181" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_181</a></p>
<p>I can&#8217;t imagine the board meeting they had to name that vehicle … <i> &#8220;What should we name this <b>thing</b> … … hey wait a sec. ……. I have a an idea …….&#8221;</i>  … … OK. That was quick, see you guys at the golf course. </p>
<p>They should make all the people that participated in that vehicle and its name drive one for 5 years as punishment.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Subifreak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Subifreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 13:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mine has to be the demise of the practical Station Wagon in North America.</description>
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		<title>By: armadamaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>armadamaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 11:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm....so many to choose from, my current favorite would have to be the 2005+ Five Hundread/Montego/Taurus/Sable abortions that Ford continues to throw money at as Panther replacements even though the ancient Panthers continue to rival them and/or outsell them month to month. To the tune of the 16 year old FLEET ONLY Crown Vic only losing out to the 3 year old AVAILABLE TO RETAIL D3 Taurus/Five Hundread last month by about 130 units. And Ford plans to throw more money at Taurus next year with restyle number two since launch of the Five Hundread in 2005. AND that&#039;s with the Panther&#039;s down to two nameplates with Wixom closed after May of last year. Guess those Panther profits gotta go to something.

Past favs, the Aztek (duh), the FWD Cougar, the AU GTO, the rebadged Venture [Uplander], the rebadged Windstar [Freestar], the SSR, the Catera, the Cimmaron, oh so many to choose from.....</description>
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<p>Past favs, the Aztek (duh), the FWD Cougar, the AU GTO, the rebadged Venture [Uplander], the rebadged Windstar [Freestar], the SSR, the Catera, the Cimmaron, oh so many to choose from&#8230;..<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Mcloud1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mcloud1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 11:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My favorite failure has to be the Eagle Talon, or better, the entire Eagle brand. I like the Eagle Talon better than its better selling (and still selling) DSM twin, the Mitsubishi Eclipse, and I think the Eagle Vision was the best of the LH cars. It was a great brand with great cars. The only reason why it failed was because there was no room for it in Chrysler&#039;s lineup, plus it never get the real marketing attention it deserved.</description>
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		<title>By: Nicodemus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicodemus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 11:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The greatest of them all...The Leyland P76.</description>
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		<title>By: UnclePete</title>
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		<dc:creator>UnclePete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 10:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve owned so many &#039;failures&#039; over the years it&#039;s hard to pick. Here&#039;s a couple of the ones I have owned:

KixStart I believe mentioned the Renault Fuego. I had a red Turbo model. As mentioned it was a pretty cool looking car for the time at a good price point. However, add in indifferent build quality, torque steer and the world&#039;s longest clutch cable that would break every 10,000 or so miles and the balance tips the other way.

My first car was a 1964 Corvair Monza coupe inherited from my grandparents. They had painted it robin&#039;s egg blue Rustoleum (with brushes and a roller, natch). It was a cool car that had plenty of power even in the 110hp form (especially against the Pintos and Vegas of the day) I still have a hankering to pick up one for nostalgia reasons (and probably also to give the FU to Nader!)

One from my current batch of cars that other people have mentioned is the Pontiac GTO. This was never going to be a big win for GM as there was a fixed expiry of Monaros being made at the Holden plant, but they saw it as a halo car. If they had called it anything but GTO it might have sold better. OTOH, the old dudes who say it isn&#039;t a real GTO tend to forget their 60s-era GTOs were standard line cars (Tempest or LeMans) with big engines. The car is a serious hoot and one of the favorite cars I&#039;ve ever owned. I&#039;m waiting for the snow to clear the roads here in northern New England so I can get it back on the road.

Finally, I think that station wagons in general are the biggest modern failure. They are the most practical cars that can also still handle like cars; if you don&#039;t believe that, go test drive a twin-turbo BMW 535 wagon (if you can find one on a dealer&#039;s lot!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I&#8217;ve owned so many &#8216;failures&#8217; over the years it&#8217;s hard to pick. Here&#8217;s a couple of the ones I have owned:</p>
<p>KixStart I believe mentioned the Renault Fuego. I had a red Turbo model. As mentioned it was a pretty cool looking car for the time at a good price point. However, add in indifferent build quality, torque steer and the world&#8217;s longest clutch cable that would break every 10,000 or so miles and the balance tips the other way.</p>
<p>My first car was a 1964 Corvair Monza coupe inherited from my grandparents. They had painted it robin&#8217;s egg blue Rustoleum (with brushes and a roller, natch). It was a cool car that had plenty of power even in the 110hp form (especially against the Pintos and Vegas of the day) I still have a hankering to pick up one for nostalgia reasons (and probably also to give the FU to Nader!)</p>
<p>One from my current batch of cars that other people have mentioned is the Pontiac GTO. This was never going to be a big win for GM as there was a fixed expiry of Monaros being made at the Holden plant, but they saw it as a halo car. If they had called it anything but GTO it might have sold better. OTOH, the old dudes who say it isn&#8217;t a real GTO tend to forget their 60s-era GTOs were standard line cars (Tempest or LeMans) with big engines. The car is a serious hoot and one of the favorite cars I&#8217;ve ever owned. I&#8217;m waiting for the snow to clear the roads here in northern New England so I can get it back on the road.</p>
<p>Finally, I think that station wagons in general are the biggest modern failure. They are the most practical cars that can also still handle like cars; if you don&#8217;t believe that, go test drive a twin-turbo BMW 535 wagon (if you can find one on a dealer&#8217;s lot!)<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: IronEagle</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/question-of-the-day-whats-your-favorite-failure/comment-page-2/#comment-199522</link>
		<dc:creator>IronEagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 09:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toss up between 4th generation &quot;B&quot; Camaro Z/28 and SS in sales battle with Mustang. Also Eagle Talon for sales in its last few years and Eagle Vision TSi. The Vision&#039;s Lh platform was designed for easy AWD. It should have had AWD and a more powerful engine to seperate it more from Dodge&#039;s Intrepid.</description>
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		<title>By: big_gms</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/question-of-the-day-whats-your-favorite-failure/comment-page-2/#comment-199492</link>
		<dc:creator>big_gms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 07:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My favorite failures:

Cadillac Cimarron. Taken at face value, it was a poor choice of a car for Cadillac. It didn&#039;t fit the Cadillac image. But in my eyes, it&#039;s actually quite a handsome little car and later models had the V6 engine which provided decent acceleration (for those days, anyway). If someone offered me a 1987 or &#039;88 model, I wouldn&#039;t turn it down. It&#039;s one of those cars I&#039;d actually like to have simply because it&#039;s so odd.

Pontiac Fiero. A great looking car that had a lot of potential. Too bad GM cut so many corners in the beginning and killed it just when it was getting good.

Buick Reatta. An unusual and interesting car that was really the last daring car that Buick ever made.</description>
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<p>Cadillac Cimarron. Taken at face value, it was a poor choice of a car for Cadillac. It didn&#8217;t fit the Cadillac image. But in my eyes, it&#8217;s actually quite a handsome little car and later models had the V6 engine which provided decent acceleration (for those days, anyway). If someone offered me a 1987 or &#8216;88 model, I wouldn&#8217;t turn it down. It&#8217;s one of those cars I&#8217;d actually like to have simply because it&#8217;s so odd.</p>
<p>Pontiac Fiero. A great looking car that had a lot of potential. Too bad GM cut so many corners in the beginning and killed it just when it was getting good.</p>
<p>Buick Reatta. An unusual and interesting car that was really the last daring car that Buick ever made.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Johnster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 06:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lincoln LS, Mercury Marauder, Ford Crown Victoria.  Great cars that started out good, but ended up failing because of the lack of improvements over the years.</description>
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		<title>By: NickR</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/question-of-the-day-whats-your-favorite-failure/comment-page-2/#comment-199292</link>
		<dc:creator>NickR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 04:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I’ve heard of the Asuna make. How many model years was it around in Canada?&lt;/em&gt;

Asüna Sunfire (1993) 
Asüna Sunrunner (1992-1995) 
Asüna SE/GT (1993)

A roaring success, as you can see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>I’ve heard of the Asuna make. How many model years was it around in Canada?</em></p>
<p>Asüna Sunfire (1993)<br />
Asüna Sunrunner (1992-1995)<br />
Asüna SE/GT (1993)</p>
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		<title>By: lprocter1982</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/question-of-the-day-whats-your-favorite-failure/comment-page-2/#comment-199272</link>
		<dc:creator>lprocter1982</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 04:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NickR:

I&#039;ve seen a SunRunner in Eastern Ontario. It was rusty and had holes in the gas tank (I was working at a gas station at the time.) It looked like a POS.  I&#039;ve also seen a number of the Geos. Amazingly, many of them are still running. Actually, I think 80% of them are still on the road. The other 20% actually made it back home...</description>
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<p>I&#8217;ve seen a SunRunner in Eastern Ontario. It was rusty and had holes in the gas tank (I was working at a gas station at the time.) It looked like a POS.  I&#8217;ve also seen a number of the Geos. Amazingly, many of them are still running. Actually, I think 80% of them are still on the road. The other 20% actually made it back home&#8230;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: rudiger</title>
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		<dc:creator>rudiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 04:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most recent: Aztek, easily (although the new Ford Focus may have a chance of overtaking that one).

All time: although the Vega, Pinto, and Aspen/Volaré were all outstandingly bad in their own ways, I&#039;d have to take the Vega for a number of reasons. It was GM&#039;s first &#039;corporate&#039; car, a direct response to DeLorean&#039;s maverick divisional gunslinging ways. But even more importantly, it was the car that single-handedly began not only GM&#039;s, but the domestic industry in general, downward quality spiral, which allowed the Japanese manufacturers to get a toe-hold into the American market. 

Up until the Vega, there weren&#039;t really any GM cars that were complete, abysmal, unmitigated pieces o&#039; crap. Even the Corvair wasn&#039;t that bad after GM decided to spend the $10 and put a rear anti-sway bar on it to fix the treacherous handling. 

The Vega was the car that put GM on the road to ruin because, unlike other GM losers, the Vega actually sold reasonably well for a while, meaning it made it into the hands of a lot of consumers.

But then the Vega ended up being so bad that people who bought them would swear they&#039;d never buy another GM car after the experience. Most of them, to this day, haven&#039;t broken that vow. If buyers weren&#039;t burned by a Vega, GM had plenty of other losers to choose from afterwards, like the Chevy Citation, Cadillac Cimarron, V4-6-8, diesel, Pontiac Fiero. But it all began with the Vega.

In fact, I&#039;d even say that the only real way GM can survive is by eventually outliving all the people who bought brand-new Vegas in the seventies, meaning GM shouldn&#039;t really figure on regaining market share until at least, oh, say, 2030.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Most recent: Aztek, easily (although the new Ford Focus may have a chance of overtaking that one).</p>
<p>All time: although the Vega, Pinto, and Aspen/Volaré were all outstandingly bad in their own ways, I&#8217;d have to take the Vega for a number of reasons. It was GM&#8217;s first &#8216;corporate&#8217; car, a direct response to DeLorean&#8217;s maverick divisional gunslinging ways. But even more importantly, it was the car that single-handedly began not only GM&#8217;s, but the domestic industry in general, downward quality spiral, which allowed the Japanese manufacturers to get a toe-hold into the American market. </p>
<p>Up until the Vega, there weren&#8217;t really any GM cars that were complete, abysmal, unmitigated pieces o&#8217; crap. Even the Corvair wasn&#8217;t that bad after GM decided to spend the $10 and put a rear anti-sway bar on it to fix the treacherous handling. </p>
<p>The Vega was the car that put GM on the road to ruin because, unlike other GM losers, the Vega actually sold reasonably well for a while, meaning it made it into the hands of a lot of consumers.</p>
<p>But then the Vega ended up being so bad that people who bought them would swear they&#8217;d never buy another GM car after the experience. Most of them, to this day, haven&#8217;t broken that vow. If buyers weren&#8217;t burned by a Vega, GM had plenty of other losers to choose from afterwards, like the Chevy Citation, Cadillac Cimarron, V4-6-8, diesel, Pontiac Fiero. But it all began with the Vega.</p>
<p>In fact, I&#8217;d even say that the only real way GM can survive is by eventually outliving all the people who bought brand-new Vegas in the seventies, meaning GM shouldn&#8217;t really figure on regaining market share until at least, oh, say, 2030.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: 6G74</title>
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		<dc:creator>6G74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 04:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I also add my own car - a Mitsubishi Diamante?

Hell, Mitsubishi itself isn&#039;t far from being a failure in the US, and I still love them, especially their older offerings. I&#039;ve owned a Galant and now the Diamante, and loved both. They don&#039;t have much that excites me now, though the Lancer GTS is an attractive car at a good price, the Galant RalliArt is compellingly different (pre-2008 facelift), and the Outlander is nice in upper trims.</description>
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<p>Hell, Mitsubishi itself isn&#8217;t far from being a failure in the US, and I still love them, especially their older offerings. I&#8217;ve owned a Galant and now the Diamante, and loved both. They don&#8217;t have much that excites me now, though the Lancer GTS is an attractive car at a good price, the Galant RalliArt is compellingly different (pre-2008 facelift), and the Outlander is nice in upper trims.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: 210delray</title>
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		<dc:creator>210delray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 04:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve heard of the Asuna make.  How many model years was it around in Canada?</description>
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		<title>By: Banned User</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/question-of-the-day-whats-your-favorite-failure/comment-page-2/#comment-199172</link>
		<dc:creator>Banned User</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 03:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom Lasorda.  He got 19 million dollars for failing.  No easy feat.</description>
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		<title>By: flanken</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/question-of-the-day-whats-your-favorite-failure/comment-page-2/#comment-199102</link>
		<dc:creator>flanken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 02:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I drive my favorite market failure: the Mazda6 wagon.  It&#039;s probably one of the most underrated and overlooked cars around, but it&#039;s tremendously practical and a good driver as well.  In the 3 1/2 years I&#039;ve had it, I&#039;ve seen maybe 7 others on the road.</description>
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