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		<title>By: porschespeed</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/porsche-stops-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-987121</link>
		<dc:creator>porschespeed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pgreenberg,

I have driven just about every iteration of the 911 theme, including the force-fed models. One and two turbochargers. 

I owned a shop for a few years. And have some friends with decent disposable incomes. 911s are a maintanence nightmare (but good for the shop bottom line). 928s, 944s, 951s, Peppers, require far less M&amp;R per mile driven. 

Don&#039;t have the article handy, but even in print, Porsche spokesfolks have admittted years ago that the 911 is very expensive to keep viable - lousy powerplant for emmissions (and performance), lousy location of said plant for safety testing. Most important, it&#039;s sales figures have not justified it&#039;s existance for a long, long time.

If today is like most others, just driving around I&#039;ll see a few Cayennes, a few Boxters, a Cayman or two, and a couple of 944s. Maybe one 911. Maybe. Odds are it&#039;ll have a dealer plate on it. 

928 was a tough sell internally from jump street. The first in-house Porsche. Porsche isn&#039;t GM, where the problem children that understand product get sent to the skunkworks to create the C6 Vette off budget. Porsche is a tight little company and the internal 911 cult made sure that Cayman is &lt;em&gt;still&lt;/em&gt; underpowered to this minute. Why? Because it would show that the emporer 911 is nekkid as a jaybird.

If you like the looks of the 911, great. But the layout sucks and if you want a fast car that doesn&#039;t require Cray-1 levels of computing to keep it on the road, upgrade a Boxter/Cayman.</description>
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<p>I have driven just about every iteration of the 911 theme, including the force-fed models. One and two turbochargers. </p>
<p>I owned a shop for a few years. And have some friends with decent disposable incomes. 911s are a maintanence nightmare (but good for the shop bottom line). 928s, 944s, 951s, Peppers, require far less M&amp;R per mile driven. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t have the article handy, but even in print, Porsche spokesfolks have admittted years ago that the 911 is very expensive to keep viable &#8211; lousy powerplant for emmissions (and performance), lousy location of said plant for safety testing. Most important, it&#8217;s sales figures have not justified it&#8217;s existance for a long, long time.</p>
<p>If today is like most others, just driving around I&#8217;ll see a few Cayennes, a few Boxters, a Cayman or two, and a couple of 944s. Maybe one 911. Maybe. Odds are it&#8217;ll have a dealer plate on it. </p>
<p>928 was a tough sell internally from jump street. The first in-house Porsche. Porsche isn&#8217;t GM, where the problem children that understand product get sent to the skunkworks to create the C6 Vette off budget. Porsche is a tight little company and the internal 911 cult made sure that Cayman is <em>still</em> underpowered to this minute. Why? Because it would show that the emporer 911 is nekkid as a jaybird.</p>
<p>If you like the looks of the 911, great. But the layout sucks and if you want a fast car that doesn&#8217;t require Cray-1 levels of computing to keep it on the road, upgrade a Boxter/Cayman.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: pgreenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>pgreenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do any of you guys own or have driven 911s?

Antone:  For the price of a Toyota, there is a nice 964, 3.2 Carrera, or SC out there with your name on it. Just ask a local Porsche Club member to help you out.

Porschespeed: &quot;the old guard&quot; tried to kill the 911 in the 1970&#039;s with the 928. The customers killed the 928 and forced Porsche to improve the 911. 

In an auto world where differences have diminished among cars, a Porsche is fun to drive because it is different. If you believe it is obsolete, then there are plenty of other fine front or mid-engine cars out there to choose from.</description>
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<p>Antone:  For the price of a Toyota, there is a nice 964, 3.2 Carrera, or SC out there with your name on it. Just ask a local Porsche Club member to help you out.</p>
<p>Porschespeed: &#8220;the old guard&#8221; tried to kill the 911 in the 1970&#8217;s with the 928. The customers killed the 928 and forced Porsche to improve the 911. </p>
<p>In an auto world where differences have diminished among cars, a Porsche is fun to drive because it is different. If you believe it is obsolete, then there are plenty of other fine front or mid-engine cars out there to choose from.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Gforce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gforce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See guys (pic), those cars are indeed &quot;hand-crafted&quot;</description>
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		<title>By: Areitu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Areitu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 04:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Antone : 
November 25th, 2008 at 2:24 pm 

I say keep building them! It will bring the value down on all the nice second hand examples to the point I can buy one.

Rant over…&lt;/em&gt;

Unfortunately, Porsche has some of the highest resale values out there. And a rear main seal that falls out of anything that isn&#039;t a GT2, GT3 or Turbo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>Antone :<br />
November 25th, 2008 at 2:24 pm </p>
<p>I say keep building them! It will bring the value down on all the nice second hand examples to the point I can buy one.</p>
<p>Rant over…</em></p>
<p>Unfortunately, Porsche has some of the highest resale values out there. And a rear main seal that falls out of anything that isn&#8217;t a GT2, GT3 or Turbo.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: porschespeed</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 04:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@pgreenberg,

The 911 was obsolete the first day it was produced.

The old man was still alive 31 years ago. He is no longer. There are still a few of his &#039;911 faithful&#039; in the system.

When they go, so does the 911 - at least in the stone-age, flat-six, rear engine configuration.

There&#039;s a reason Porsche hasn&#039;t built another car like the 911 since they started doing clean-sheet cars.</description>
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<p>The 911 was obsolete the first day it was produced.</p>
<p>The old man was still alive 31 years ago. He is no longer. There are still a few of his &#8216;911 faithful&#8217; in the system.</p>
<p>When they go, so does the 911 &#8211; at least in the stone-age, flat-six, rear engine configuration.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a reason Porsche hasn&#8217;t built another car like the 911 since they started doing clean-sheet cars.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: pgreenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>pgreenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 02:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@porschespeed:

&quot;At least until the last of the old guard finally dies off at Porsche. Then the 911 line will be shut down permanently.&quot;

I think Porsche had the same discussion about the obsolete 911, oh, about 35 years ago.</description>
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<p>&#8220;At least until the last of the old guard finally dies off at Porsche. Then the 911 line will be shut down permanently.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think Porsche had the same discussion about the obsolete 911, oh, about 35 years ago.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: porschespeed</title>
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		<dc:creator>porschespeed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love or hate the Panamera, it will be the latest cash cow to keep the anachronistic-uber-Beetle-evo, err, 911 rolling off the line.

At least until the last of the old guard finally dies off at Porsche. Then the 911 line will be shut down permanently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Love or hate the Panamera, it will be the latest cash cow to keep the anachronistic-uber-Beetle-evo, err, 911 rolling off the line.</p>
<p>At least until the last of the old guard finally dies off at Porsche. Then the 911 line will be shut down permanently.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: guyincognito</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a related note, Porsche announced the permanent cessation of 911 production in 2010. The replacement is expected to be a Civic competitor code named Jettsteryenne. It will have a base price several thousand less than the Civic, which will not include costly options such as engine, paint, and steering wheel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->In a related note, Porsche announced the permanent cessation of 911 production in 2010. The replacement is expected to be a Civic competitor code named Jettsteryenne. It will have a base price several thousand less than the Civic, which will not include costly options such as engine, paint, and steering wheel.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Antone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say keep building them! It will bring the value down on all the nice second hand examples to the point I can buy one.

Rant over…</description>
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<p>Rant over…<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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