Where do you get the rental fleet perventages. Im not doubting you, Im just curious. Thanks. 60% AND a $3000 rebate. That cant be making much money selling these vehicles.

Pontiac hasn’t been Pontiac since they killed the F-body in 2002 instead of updating it.

Instead we get an Australian import sedan that sounds like it got named at a company bingo tournament.

Just when you think GM can’t fail anymore….they go the extra mile!

This is true for thee most part. However, the G6 sold 150,000 units in 2007 and 157,000 in 2006. When you consider that the G6 competes with the Aura and Malibu in the GM universe for midsize sedans sales those are strong sales.

More than 60% of G6s go to fleets currently.

And, as I said, they’re practically giving them away. Every 2008 model already has $3,000 in incentives. And they still don’t sell to the public.

The entire current Pontiac lineup is a sales flop and an embarrassment. Not a single vehicle there is even a two-base hit, let alone a home run.

This is true for thee most part. However, the G6 sold 150,000 units in 2007 and 157,000 in 2006. When you consider that the G6 competes with the Aura and Malibu in the GM universe for midsize sedans sales those are strong sales.

With the possible exception of the G8, the ONLY reason Pontiac exists nowdays is that BPG dealers have Chevys to sell. There is no such thang as a Pontiac, none of GM’s lineup originates from this division.

“Pontiac is CAR”? LOL. What are they thinking?

Look at Toyota’s specs for their Rav4 – FWD hatchback more or less off of a Camry platform. Add AWD tp either engine and you’re looking at ~140lbs gain, equal to about one passenger (take in mind that this also adds a weighty transfer case not used on an RWD). The less-powerful I4 drops 1/2mpg, while the V6 loses 0/1mpg.

The weight gain of RWD could easily be cancelled out by some simple weight elimination.

Now my biggest gripe against GM – WHAT to they brag about their ‘Vette?! Almost every official word about the ‘Vette includes a statment about the miraculous MPG this sports car gets. Even with the big engine, the car gets awesome gas mileage. Did you know the ‘Vette gets good gas mileage? Oh, by the way, did GM post enough words on the ‘Vette’s gas mileage for you to know that it gets good gas mileage?!?

But wait – CAFE rules insist that RWDs get BAD gas mileage. Maybe one day in the future we will see a FWD ‘Vette…

I guess that you haven’t seen the ad campaign. Apparently, Pontiac is CAR. It should be obvious what that means.

Fortunately, this leaves room for a lot of possibilities. Chevrolet can be “Car”, to emphasize that isn’t selling the CARS that Pontiac is, while Cadillac would be “CAR “to distinguish it from Pontiac’s CAR. Saturn, inspired by ee cummings prose, would be “car.” Saab would be “bil” (not “Bill”), which of course is Swedish for car, because Saabs are Swedish, except for when they are selling Subarus (no, I don’t know what “CAR” is in Japanese, so back off) or Chevys with relocated ignitions.

GMC, of course, is TRUCK, while Hummer is TRUCK. Not sure where that leaves Buick, though. Maybe that one is “Your grandfather’s CAR.”

“Pontiac is CAR”.

What does that make the still-in-production Torrent?

All I have to say is the 2008 G6 has $3000 cash on the hood. And Avis still buys more G6s than the public.

SkiD666 :

This will offer at least some excitement.

2009 G8 GXP with LS3
Production starts in March, should be available this summer.

There is irony here…

While the G8 may turn out to be a genuine performance car, and a genuine performance car bargain, branding is about coherently occupying and relentlessly promoting a given mindspace.

You can’t sell a bunch of slow, foul-handling crap (not to mention the Pontiac minivan) and call yourself a performance division. Which is why Pontiac no longer does.

So…

If Pontiac’s NOT GM’s performance division, THEY HAVE NO BUSINESS SELLING A PERFORMANCE CAR.

Of course, that still begs the original question: what is a Pontiac? I’m coming to the conclusion that GM doesn’t know and doesn’t care. They are now trying to starve Buick (no Enclaves my ass), Pontiac, Saab and Saturn to death.

Good strategy, perhaps, but their branding is in tatters across the board. Except for Hummer. And that’s what I call funny.

2009 G8 GXP with LS3
Production starts in March, should be available this summer.

Amateur grade?

“Pontiac is CAR”.

When I first saw that I thought someone must have built a spoof pontiac.com website, but nope … it’s official.

The entire current Pontiac lineup is a sales flop and an embarrassment. Not a single vehicle there is even a two-base hit, let alone a home run. I wonder what fraction of Pontiac sales are fleet these days?

What does Chevy need a Camaro for, anyway?

P.S: And i have often wondered: What makes GMC trucks professional grade?? And if they are professional grade one has to wonder what Chevy trucks are???

If they hadn’t put all their eggs in the large SUV/Truck market they wouldn’t have to worry about CAFE nearly as much, irregardless of how dumb the CAFE regs may be.

I support your idea.

No Trans-Am? Might as well close pontiac.

Damn shame.

This is probably the stupidest thing I have ever seen GM do. Do they really think people will want the new Camaro and not a Trans Am? What are they thinking?

Instead GM was going to release a new GTO with US-styling as a true 2+2 muscle coupe and a different alternative to the Camaro but the cost and CAFE have shelved it.

Maybe GM should be pruning the endless amount of trucks and SUV things they build instead of killing cars people were actually looking forward to and wanted to buy.