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	<title>Comments on: Opel Watch: High States Poker</title>
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		<title>By: Bertel Schmitt</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/opel-watch-high-states-poker/comment-page-1/#comment-1488397</link>
		<dc:creator>Bertel Schmitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 03:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Tom. 

That reminds me of a girlfriend I had when I was young and reckless (as opposed to just reckless now.) She had a husband, but he didn&#039;t mind.

When I called her &quot;country home,&quot; someone always answered:&quot;Fürstlich Fürstenbergsche Forstverwaltung.&quot;

I asked: &quot;Fürstin home?&quot;

He harrumphed and got her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Thank you, Tom. </p>
<p>That reminds me of a girlfriend I had when I was young and reckless (as opposed to just reckless now.) She had a husband, but he didn&#8217;t mind.</p>
<p>When I called her &#8220;country home,&#8221; someone always answered:&#8221;Fürstlich Fürstenbergsche Forstverwaltung.&#8221;</p>
<p>I asked: &#8220;Fürstin home?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 18:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg is actually just a short version of his name. His full name is:

Karl Theodor Maria Nikolaus Johann Jacob Philipp Franz Joseph Sylvester von und zu Guttenberg

&quot;von&quot; and &quot;zu&quot; are both titels of nobility. All in all there are:
&lt;em&gt;von; zu; von und zu; vom; zum; vom und zum; von der&lt;/em&gt;

All of them basically mean &quot;from&quot;.

In 1919, nobility lost all privileges, so their titles were made permanent part of their name.

The difference between &quot;von/vom&quot; and &quot;zu/zum&quot; stems from the fact that over the ages, families might change location.
Noble families that use &quot;von und zu&quot; were still in posession of the location from which they derrived their name (usually a medieval castle) in 1919.

So if you &quot;only&quot; have a &quot;von&quot;, you had either lost your original territory by 1919, or you&#039;re &quot;new nobility&quot; meaning that your family never had any territory to begin with. 

If you only have a &quot;zu&quot; then this usually indicates that your family still owned their territory in 1919, but had lost reign over it after the Napoleonic wars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg is actually just a short version of his name. His full name is:</p>
<p>Karl Theodor Maria Nikolaus Johann Jacob Philipp Franz Joseph Sylvester von und zu Guttenberg</p>
<p>&#8220;von&#8221; and &#8220;zu&#8221; are both titels of nobility. All in all there are:<br />
<em>von; zu; von und zu; vom; zum; vom und zum; von der</em></p>
<p>All of them basically mean &#8220;from&#8221;.</p>
<p>In 1919, nobility lost all privileges, so their titles were made permanent part of their name.</p>
<p>The difference between &#8220;von/vom&#8221; and &#8220;zu/zum&#8221; stems from the fact that over the ages, families might change location.<br />
Noble families that use &#8220;von und zu&#8221; were still in posession of the location from which they derrived their name (usually a medieval castle) in 1919.</p>
<p>So if you &#8220;only&#8221; have a &#8220;von&#8221;, you had either lost your original territory by 1919, or you&#8217;re &#8220;new nobility&#8221; meaning that your family never had any territory to begin with. </p>
<p>If you only have a &#8220;zu&#8221; then this usually indicates that your family still owned their territory in 1919, but had lost reign over it after the Napoleonic wars.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Robert Schwartz</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/opel-watch-high-states-poker/comment-page-1/#comment-1488179</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 16:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the difference between a &quot;&lt;em&gt;zu&lt;/em&gt;&quot; and a &quot;&lt;em&gt;von&lt;/em&gt;&quot;?</description>
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		<title>By: menno</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/opel-watch-high-states-poker/comment-page-1/#comment-1488098</link>
		<dc:creator>menno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 12:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It just occurs to me that Opel (and therefore, Vauxhall) may not survive.  

The Germans may just do another &#039;Borgward&#039; and get rid of Opel as excess to requirements.  

There were surely back-room machinations in 1960-1961 when Borgward auto was cut off at the ankles (neck, actually).  

Not forgetting that one of Borgward&#039;s small car brands had been #4 in auto sales in West Germany as recently as 1958 (in a market with 10-12 players).  

Little wonder Mitsubishi is being looked at by some of the potential Saturn buyers, as a supplier for autos... 

Vauxhall and all of the British jobs lost will merely be collateral damage of little consequence to the Germans.</description>
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<p>The Germans may just do another &#8216;Borgward&#8217; and get rid of Opel as excess to requirements.  </p>
<p>There were surely back-room machinations in 1960-1961 when Borgward auto was cut off at the ankles (neck, actually).  </p>
<p>Not forgetting that one of Borgward&#8217;s small car brands had been #4 in auto sales in West Germany as recently as 1958 (in a market with 10-12 players).  </p>
<p>Little wonder Mitsubishi is being looked at by some of the potential Saturn buyers, as a supplier for autos&#8230; </p>
<p>Vauxhall and all of the British jobs lost will merely be collateral damage of little consequence to the Germans.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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