“Owning a GTR would be like marrying a GPS-enabled cyborg resembling Kate Beckinsale, that only gives hand jobs.”

Nice

Nobody says the data collected is accurate or the parameters for application could be applied incorrectly. But, we all know you will have to prove it is inaccurate or inappropriately applied at costs that probably are beyound your pocket book.

THIS, folks, is what should be the most upsetting to all of us. You buy a car, it has a computer, so why is the data not yours and yours alone. The fact that your car can incriminate you should be of great concern to all of us…

Besides, I don’t hear about any cancelled R8, M3, M5, or M6 orders. IIRC, E46 SMG M3s recorded the number of times launch control has been used. It’s rumored that past a certain number of launches, BMW will void factory warranty (unverified statement)

whatdoiknow1 : While japan’s automotive selection socioally responsible cultural values are enviable, their economic performance in the last few years is not.

I know that there have been lawsuits where the black box data has been taken from the wrecked cars and used in court to convict people of negligent homicide or vehicular manslaughter.

The points mentioned in the AutoWeek article (and not mentioned here), was the coming proliferation of these devices and who gets to access this data. AW pointed out that the laws say the owner/lessee nominally control the data, but the same laws are rather weak. It seems to me that a midnight session of Congress could change the status without our consent (like many other things) and our trusted steeds would be capable of ratting us out.

I guess the lawyer was concerned about his civil rights being violated by his choice of car, but it seems soon there won’t be any sanctuary for folks who object. Except maybe a bicycle.

http://www.gtrblog.com/index.php/2008/09/24/dealers-busted-drag-racing-pre-delivery-?blog=4

IIRC Japan is a country of over 100,000,000 people cramed onto an Island that is the size of California but actually has inhabited living space equivalant to the state of Delware. It is indeed a very crowded place to live and DRIVE. There are no “open roads” in Japan.

The Japanese are also a for more pactical group of people in the sense that they understand that a passanger car, even a sportscar is still built and sold PRIMARILY as a transportation device. Yes, cars can be fun but they do serve a purpose. This was one of the reasons that until recently the vast majority of Japanese sportcars sold in Japan were 2+2s. A two seat car was/ is considered anti-social and a waste of precious resources.

Since the Japanese also have a “group” mentality they are tought to think about the “others” around them and how one’s personal actions may effect other peoples lives. The average buyer of a GT-R or any of these other high HP cars in Japan, Europe, or the USA is NOT a professional racecar driver or even a good amatuer. They are for the most part dudes with a good deal of disposable income that simply want a really cool car to look good in or play with. We are talking about 500hp here NOT 250,300, 350 or even 400!

While the evil, implusive side of me hates the concept of a manufacturer limiting a cars performance, the more enlightened side understands why this makes very good sense. I am sure those victims (and their families) you see on websites like rotten.com and wreckedexotics.com wish at the end of the day (or life) that someone had limited the power or
top speed on their car before they “lost it” at above 120mph.

Put another way, as we watch our economy implode in the USA today we are all wishing that “someone” had the good sense to actually do some oversight over our banking institutions and had possible saved us from greedy little selves!

Are you trying to make the point that all dishonest attourneys work for Bush? Haven’t you heard of Congress? Your state legislature? Being a lying lawyer is certainly a bipartisan affair.

Seriously, you need to up the level of play if you want to snipe around here.

Guys,
Stop slapping each other. It’s a car thang…

Or it was supposed to be..

Same response applies. It’s a bipartisan failing.

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My comment had nothing to do with dishonest attorneys and everything to do with assholes.

Why put a traction control override switch in the car at all if it voids the warranty?

I never supported the notion that any damage to a car at a race track is not insured. Why not? You’re still safer when you run this car on a track than if you try the same thing on the streets.

Owning a GTR would be like marrying a GPS-enabled cyborg resembling Kate Beckinsale, that only gives hand jobs. Thanks, but I’ll pass.

ah ha ha ha/

Bravo, Farago.

Personally, I can do without a black recorder box, but think this kind of thing is going to become a disruptive technology in personal transport. The utility of the black-box (plus integrated cameras) recording everything is going to be invaluable for things like he said/she said accidents in traffic court, for example. Using these systems will undoubtedly get a discount for insurance. Cops I think would come to really, really hate cameras on vehicles recording actual conversations with drivers.

However, every one of us here has committed traffic crimes and violations within the past 24 hours. I’m not talking hoonery either, just driving…there’s so many traffic laws. All the fuzz would have to do, is get the recorder data and in a minute they can cut a ticket for every speeding violation you committed going back however far the thing can remember within the statute of limitations. That’d be a lot of tickets for everyone coming to this site. Think about that and where that rabbit hole goes…creepy stuff.

I say that as Americans we should let the Brits experiment on themselves this way (they seem much more willing to disregard the individual for the sake of state primacy). The Brits were the first to make their biggest city into a giant Big Brother soundstage, and crime is doing just fine still. The only difference seems to be revenue into the Queen’s coffers, but not much else. Buyer of this crap beware I say.

I learned this stuff using the googlewebs.

Are you trying to make the point that all dishonest attourneys work for Bush? Haven’t you heard of Congress? Your state legislature? Being a lying lawyer is certainly a bipartisan affair.

Seriously, you need to up the level of play if you want to snipe around here.

The question is how Nissan uses the information. If this is only used to disqualify repairs for heavily tracked vehicles, or even obvious track damage, fine. If they screw over owners who may have done a couple hard launches, etc, that’s a horse of entirely different color.