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	<title>Comments on: Never Mind The Bollocks, Here&#8217;s The Eco Elise!</title>
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		<title>By: Voop</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/never-mind-the-bollocks-heres-the-eco-elise/comment-page-1/#comment-591921</link>
		<dc:creator>Voop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 22:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RPrellWitz,

I&#039;d suggest pointing out how fuel efficient it is (Over the lifetime of my owning the car, I&#039;ve averaged just under 30mpg).  Since you have other cars, you can insure it as a weekend toy for hardly anything.  And of course, what could be better for escaping the kids on the weekend than a romantic drive in a two seater with the top off?

Stephan,
I wouldn&#039;t say that he was trashing the Lotus.  The Elise&#039;s engine doesn&#039;t have nearly the sonic character of many sporty cars, at least from inside the cabin.  It doesn&#039;t have the barrel-chested roar or delicious backfiring pops like a GTO does.  It doesn&#039;t have the iconic boxer grumble of an STi.  It doesn&#039;t snarl like a BMW inline six.  From the driver&#039;s seat, the Elise does sound like a hoarse moan.  

The Elise really could use some more firepower, like the Elise SC.  The chassis is capable of handling so much more.  While it is hugely fun and more than zippy enough for punching around down and slicing through traffic and carving around your favorite twisties, a healthy dose of Vitamin HP couldn&#039;t hurt.  

The 2ZZ&#039;s 6200+ RPM performance isn&#039;t bad, but it&#039;s not quite &#039;all hell breaking loose.&#039;  It feels about the same as a WRX coming on boost; it&#039;s nowhere near as frenetic as my STi, for instance.  I&#039;d love to swap in a F20C or F22C into the Elise, or go for one of the many forced induction kits available.

All that said though, I&#039;ve never been in a more fun car.  I love driving the Elise, and I try to drive it as much as possible, weather and destination permitting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->RPrellWitz,</p>
<p>I&#8217;d suggest pointing out how fuel efficient it is (Over the lifetime of my owning the car, I&#8217;ve averaged just under 30mpg).  Since you have other cars, you can insure it as a weekend toy for hardly anything.  And of course, what could be better for escaping the kids on the weekend than a romantic drive in a two seater with the top off?</p>
<p>Stephan,<br />
I wouldn&#8217;t say that he was trashing the Lotus.  The Elise&#8217;s engine doesn&#8217;t have nearly the sonic character of many sporty cars, at least from inside the cabin.  It doesn&#8217;t have the barrel-chested roar or delicious backfiring pops like a GTO does.  It doesn&#8217;t have the iconic boxer grumble of an STi.  It doesn&#8217;t snarl like a BMW inline six.  From the driver&#8217;s seat, the Elise does sound like a hoarse moan.  </p>
<p>The Elise really could use some more firepower, like the Elise SC.  The chassis is capable of handling so much more.  While it is hugely fun and more than zippy enough for punching around down and slicing through traffic and carving around your favorite twisties, a healthy dose of Vitamin HP couldn&#8217;t hurt.  </p>
<p>The 2ZZ&#8217;s 6200+ RPM performance isn&#8217;t bad, but it&#8217;s not quite &#8216;all hell breaking loose.&#8217;  It feels about the same as a WRX coming on boost; it&#8217;s nowhere near as frenetic as my STi, for instance.  I&#8217;d love to swap in a F20C or F22C into the Elise, or go for one of the many forced induction kits available.</p>
<p>All that said though, I&#8217;ve never been in a more fun car.  I love driving the Elise, and I try to drive it as much as possible, weather and destination permitting.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Stingray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stingray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I don&#039;t really care if it has a Toyota, Honda, Subaru, Chevy, Ford, Chrysler or Chery engine. 

The point is, the Elise just rocks (don&#039;t forget the Exige). It looks gorgeous, has good power &amp; power/weight ratio, it&#039;s light, and being a Lotus, it must handle like it&#039;s on rails. This means it must be TONS of fun. And it&#039;s not f@#$%&amp;ng expensive.

And I think Audi, BMW, Mercedes and some others used water based paints. And have been doing for some time too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Well, I don&#8217;t really care if it has a Toyota, Honda, Subaru, Chevy, Ford, Chrysler or Chery engine. </p>
<p>The point is, the Elise just rocks (don&#8217;t forget the Exige). It looks gorgeous, has good power &amp; power/weight ratio, it&#8217;s light, and being a Lotus, it must handle like it&#8217;s on rails. This means it must be TONS of fun. And it&#8217;s not f@#$%&amp;ng expensive.</p>
<p>And I think Audi, BMW, Mercedes and some others used water based paints. And have been doing for some time too.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: RGS920</title>
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		<dc:creator>RGS920</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Yeah, really the only way to improve the Elise would be to throw one of those delightful 2.0L K series Honda motors in there from the factory. &lt;/em&gt;

No way!  You&#039;ve probably never driven a car with a 2ZZ engine in it.  When lift engages around 6,600 RPM it&#039;s like all hell breaks loose.  The 2.0 L K series is much more sedate.  I like my lotus with a side order of insane.  In all fairness though, the one huge benefit the K series offers over the 2ZZ is that even when you shift at red line it doesn&#039;t fall out of lift. The SC Elise fixes this problem though by having a variable engagement point for lift, basically lift engages as low as 4,500 RPM depending on the amount of throttle being utilized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>Yeah, really the only way to improve the Elise would be to throw one of those delightful 2.0L K series Honda motors in there from the factory. </em></p>
<p>No way!  You&#8217;ve probably never driven a car with a 2ZZ engine in it.  When lift engages around 6,600 RPM it&#8217;s like all hell breaks loose.  The 2.0 L K series is much more sedate.  I like my lotus with a side order of insane.  In all fairness though, the one huge benefit the K series offers over the 2ZZ is that even when you shift at red line it doesn&#8217;t fall out of lift. The SC Elise fixes this problem though by having a variable engagement point for lift, basically lift engages as low as 4,500 RPM depending on the amount of throttle being utilized.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Campisi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Campisi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If these &quot;eco&quot; methods save that much weight on the standard Elise, then why doesn&#039;t the Add Lightness company just make the changes standard?</description>
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		<title>By: John Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 06:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Water-based paint?  Didn&#039;t GM try that some years ago, with disasterous consequences?

(Cue to visions of Astros and Corsicas with peeling paintjobs)</description>
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<p>(Cue to visions of Astros and Corsicas with peeling paintjobs)<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Stephan Wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/never-mind-the-bollocks-heres-the-eco-elise/comment-page-1/#comment-589641</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephan Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 03:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where have you people been?  Water-based paints have been around for years.  Most cars, and houses, are covered by them.

I&#039;m also amused by what&#039;shisname who trashes the Elise on the basis of &quot;what the Toyota engine sounds like.&quot;  Pity he&#039;s never gotten anywhere near driving one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Where have you people been?  Water-based paints have been around for years.  Most cars, and houses, are covered by them.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also amused by what&#8217;shisname who trashes the Elise on the basis of &#8220;what the Toyota engine sounds like.&#8221;  Pity he&#8217;s never gotten anywhere near driving one.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Stingray</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/never-mind-the-bollocks-heres-the-eco-elise/comment-page-1/#comment-589161</link>
		<dc:creator>Stingray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope, water based paint doesn&#039;t wash in the rain. 

But I think they&#039;re starting to be mandated in Europe (if not already), effectively displacing VOC based paints. So...

Lotus is not the only one using them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Nope, water based paint doesn&#8217;t wash in the rain. </p>
<p>But I think they&#8217;re starting to be mandated in Europe (if not already), effectively displacing VOC based paints. So&#8230;</p>
<p>Lotus is not the only one using them.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Andy D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if I have my facts straight,most new cars are covered in waterbased paint.</description>
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		<title>By: Joshvar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshvar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, really the only way to improve the Elise would be to throw one of those delightful 2.0L K series Honda motors in there from the factory. Other than that, it&#039;s just as useful as my Miata, so I&#039;d get by for about 360 days of the year. Maybe more :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Yeah, really the only way to improve the Elise would be to throw one of those delightful 2.0L K series Honda motors in there from the factory. Other than that, it&#8217;s just as useful as my Miata, so I&#8217;d get by for about 360 days of the year. Maybe more :)<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: SherbornSean</title>
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		<dc:creator>SherbornSean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s my kind of cheesecake!</description>
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		<title>By: MgoBLUE</title>
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		<dc:creator>MgoBLUE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they replaced the 1.8L Toyota engine with either the 2.0L Honda Civic Si i-vtec 4 or the 2.2L S2000 i-vtec 4....I&#039;d be all over this thing like a college chick on a rockstar.

HOT HOT HOT....but in its current form, the Toyota 4 sounds tinny, hollow, and uninspiring.  Not to mention weak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->If they replaced the 1.8L Toyota engine with either the 2.0L Honda Civic Si i-vtec 4 or the 2.2L S2000 i-vtec 4&#8230;.I&#8217;d be all over this thing like a college chick on a rockstar.</p>
<p>HOT HOT HOT&#8230;.but in its current form, the Toyota 4 sounds tinny, hollow, and uninspiring.  Not to mention weak.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: netrun</title>
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		<dc:creator>netrun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sex. On. Wheels.

(great song, too, btw)</description>
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<p>(great song, too, btw)<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: rprellwitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>rprellwitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The lotus line is phenomenal.  Anyone have suggestions on how to convince your spouse a 4th car  like this is a prudent addition to a household with only 2 drivers?</description>
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		<title>By: BlueEr03</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/never-mind-the-bollocks-heres-the-eco-elise/comment-page-1/#comment-588292</link>
		<dc:creator>BlueEr03</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My god that is hot.  The only question is, does the &quot;water-based paint&quot; wash off in the rain?</description>
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