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	<title>Comments on: Moneybags GM to Buy Cobasys</title>
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		<title>By: menno</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/moneybags-gm-to-buy-cobasys/comment-page-1/#comment-489741</link>
		<dc:creator>menno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 23:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daewoos are cheap and pretty basic, and the 2 litre GM Holden Australia engine is well out of date and has those crummy now obsolete cam belts that anyone with an ounce of automotive intelligence is leaving behind when engineering new engines.  But if you are at least aware of the fact that their stuff is basic enough, and willing to have a &quot;modern day Model A&quot; so to speak, then there is something to be said for the cars.  Or perhaps we just got very lucky.  As mentioned elsewhere, we did buy a &quot;new&quot; (used - only because Daewoo USA had gone bust/the car was sold as &quot;used&quot; because it was not a franchised dealer) 2002 Daewoo Nubira for nearly 1/2 of MSRP, and it worked out fairly well.  

Interestingly enough, GMDaewoo seems to be about the only thing other than SAIC-GM of China (50% owned by GM) that makes any money worldwide, in nations with any growth prospects.  So it would be highly ironic if GMDaewoo is the only thing left if GM goes Tango Uniform/chapter 7.  I think GM-Holden (a wholly owned subsidiary of GM USA) holds 40% of GMDaewoo, Suzuki holds a little bit (even though GM has virtually sold out of Suzuki).

GM has the anti-midas touch.  Nearly everything GM has touched in the past 35 years has turned into a turd.

Isuzu.  Suzuki (which managed to stop the full transmorgafication into turdiness by getting out of GM&#039;s orbit &quot;jut in time&quot;).  Saab.  The FIAT deal.  Subaru (see Suzuki).  Melding Saturn back into the mother company (mistake).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Daewoos are cheap and pretty basic, and the 2 litre GM Holden Australia engine is well out of date and has those crummy now obsolete cam belts that anyone with an ounce of automotive intelligence is leaving behind when engineering new engines.  But if you are at least aware of the fact that their stuff is basic enough, and willing to have a &#8220;modern day Model A&#8221; so to speak, then there is something to be said for the cars.  Or perhaps we just got very lucky.  As mentioned elsewhere, we did buy a &#8220;new&#8221; (used &#8211; only because Daewoo USA had gone bust/the car was sold as &#8220;used&#8221; because it was not a franchised dealer) 2002 Daewoo Nubira for nearly 1/2 of MSRP, and it worked out fairly well.  </p>
<p>Interestingly enough, GMDaewoo seems to be about the only thing other than SAIC-GM of China (50% owned by GM) that makes any money worldwide, in nations with any growth prospects.  So it would be highly ironic if GMDaewoo is the only thing left if GM goes Tango Uniform/chapter 7.  I think GM-Holden (a wholly owned subsidiary of GM USA) holds 40% of GMDaewoo, Suzuki holds a little bit (even though GM has virtually sold out of Suzuki).</p>
<p>GM has the anti-midas touch.  Nearly everything GM has touched in the past 35 years has turned into a turd.</p>
<p>Isuzu.  Suzuki (which managed to stop the full transmorgafication into turdiness by getting out of GM&#8217;s orbit &#8220;jut in time&#8221;).  Saab.  The FIAT deal.  Subaru (see Suzuki).  Melding Saturn back into the mother company (mistake).<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: galaxygreymx5</title>
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		<dc:creator>galaxygreymx5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 19:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Y&#039;all forgot GMAC as one of the spinoffs that got GM&#039;s midas touch.</description>
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		<title>By: rtz</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/moneybags-gm-to-buy-cobasys/comment-page-1/#comment-488692</link>
		<dc:creator>rtz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 01:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about those Suzuki Swifts?  Remember the Geo Metro?  Remember Geo?</description>
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		<title>By: Geotpf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geotpf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Subaru also now makes Camrys for Toyota at their previously underused Indiana plant (the plant was built as a 50/50 joint venture plant with Isuzu (another GM disaster area, come to think of it), which imploded and sold it&#039;s share to Subaru for a buck).

GM managed to &lt;strong&gt;not&lt;/strong&gt; screw up Subaru much, amazingly.  The main problem was that they didn&#039;t do a damned thing with it when it was in their orbit, other than the Saabaru.

As for Daewoo, that actually is working out for GM (amazingly, considering how much of a low-mileage penalty box bag of dog turds their products are).  Basically, they build cheap cars for poor people.  This is a viable business model (see the Tata Nano for another example), provided you can keep costs low to match.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Subaru also now makes Camrys for Toyota at their previously underused Indiana plant (the plant was built as a 50/50 joint venture plant with Isuzu (another GM disaster area, come to think of it), which imploded and sold it&#8217;s share to Subaru for a buck).</p>
<p>GM managed to <strong>not</strong> screw up Subaru much, amazingly.  The main problem was that they didn&#8217;t do a damned thing with it when it was in their orbit, other than the Saabaru.</p>
<p>As for Daewoo, that actually is working out for GM (amazingly, considering how much of a low-mileage penalty box bag of dog turds their products are).  Basically, they build cheap cars for poor people.  This is a viable business model (see the Tata Nano for another example), provided you can keep costs low to match.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: RedStapler</title>
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		<dc:creator>RedStapler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blue Er03

Until fall of 2005 GM held a 20% stake in Subaru.  

Aside from the &quot;Saabaru&quot; (selling a badge engineered Impreza as the 9-2) GM thankfully did little to work their magic on Subaru.  

Subaru is now a distant satellite of Toyota, hence all the fan boy forth about the Toyoarbu Coupe.</description>
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<p>Until fall of 2005 GM held a 20% stake in Subaru.  </p>
<p>Aside from the &#8220;Saabaru&#8221; (selling a badge engineered Impreza as the 9-2) GM thankfully did little to work their magic on Subaru.  </p>
<p>Subaru is now a distant satellite of Toyota, hence all the fan boy forth about the Toyoarbu Coupe.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: BlueEr03</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlueEr03</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What hand did/does GM play in Subaru?  I was under the impression that they were their own company.</description>
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		<title>By: John Horner</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Horner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GM seems to have &quot;ongoing warranty costs&quot; even when it sells off businesses!</description>
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		<title>By: powerglide</title>
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		<dc:creator>powerglide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mel23: You have Aveo thinking I like.

 Yes, GM had a 50% share in Daewoo, back in front-drive Pontiac Lemans days, only to sell it all, then to realize later they HAD to have a presence in Asia and bid the highest for the wreckage of the then-bankrupt firm.

 To the list you could also add Detroit Diesel, Frigidaire...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->mel23: You have Aveo thinking I like.</p>
<p> Yes, GM had a 50% share in Daewoo, back in front-drive Pontiac Lemans days, only to sell it all, then to realize later they HAD to have a presence in Asia and bid the highest for the wreckage of the then-bankrupt firm.</p>
<p> To the list you could also add Detroit Diesel, Frigidaire&#8230;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: mel23</title>
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		<dc:creator>mel23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Fiat, Saab, Subaru, Cobasys, Delphi, AA,&lt;/b&gt;

Why you leave out Daewoo?</description>
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<p>Why you leave out Daewoo?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: jaje</title>
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		<dc:creator>jaje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fiat, Saab, Subaru, Cobasys, Delphi, AA, etc. - GM&#039;s legacy of failure.  They just can&#039;t focus on anything and think throwing money at it will produce results.

I guess it works for the majority of its shareholders - slowly destroy the company with ignorant and terrible management but throw dividends their way and most are happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Fiat, Saab, Subaru, Cobasys, Delphi, AA, etc. &#8211; GM&#8217;s legacy of failure.  They just can&#8217;t focus on anything and think throwing money at it will produce results.</p>
<p>I guess it works for the majority of its shareholders &#8211; slowly destroy the company with ignorant and terrible management but throw dividends their way and most are happy.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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