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		<title>By: blue adidas</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/mercury-milan-review/comment-page-1/#comment-57452</link>
		<dc:creator>blue adidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 05:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I don’t understand Ford brand management. The Mercury brand should have options only specific to Mercury like a engine or drive train not chrome and plastic bits. Mercury is supposed to be their upmarket brand correct? &quot;

Huh? Mercedes, BMW, Toyota and VW share engine options among an array of models and brands. The Fusion and Milan clearly share many components and interior pieces, but there are significant sheetmetal differences and features (like LED tail-lamps) that make the Milan appropriately upmarket compared to the Fusion. I think it&#039;s a sharp looking ride, whereas I&#039;m not impressed with the yawn styling of the Fusion.</description>
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<p>Huh? Mercedes, BMW, Toyota and VW share engine options among an array of models and brands. The Fusion and Milan clearly share many components and interior pieces, but there are significant sheetmetal differences and features (like LED tail-lamps) that make the Milan appropriately upmarket compared to the Fusion. I think it&#8217;s a sharp looking ride, whereas I&#8217;m not impressed with the yawn styling of the Fusion.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Robert Farago</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/mercury-milan-review/comment-page-1/#comment-57422</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Farago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We didn&#039;t want to steal your thunder!</description>
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		<title>By: Mark Twain</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/mercury-milan-review/comment-page-1/#comment-57420</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Twain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why no mention of the J.D.Power 2007 Initial Quality Study awards - 1st place - for the both the Milan and the MKZ in their respective segments?</description>
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		<title>By: Maxb49</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/mercury-milan-review/comment-page-1/#comment-56059</link>
		<dc:creator>Maxb49</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 18:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kjc117,

This is the problem of running a multiple brand automobile corporation. Car enthusiasts such as ourselves are always searching for the automobile in its &quot;pure&quot; form - the sound of a Ferrari, the neutral handling of a Porsche, the raw and unmitigated power of the 426 Hemi. . . 

The mainstream family sedans are not cars designed for the enthusiast. Research studies show that there is a significant market base that will purchase a Mercury but not a Ford, identical mechanics notwithstanding. It boggles my mind, but Ford would be foolish to ignore this.</description>
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<p>This is the problem of running a multiple brand automobile corporation. Car enthusiasts such as ourselves are always searching for the automobile in its &#8220;pure&#8221; form &#8211; the sound of a Ferrari, the neutral handling of a Porsche, the raw and unmitigated power of the 426 Hemi. . . </p>
<p>The mainstream family sedans are not cars designed for the enthusiast. Research studies show that there is a significant market base that will purchase a Mercury but not a Ford, identical mechanics notwithstanding. It boggles my mind, but Ford would be foolish to ignore this.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: kjc117</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/mercury-milan-review/comment-page-1/#comment-55858</link>
		<dc:creator>kjc117</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand Ford brand management. The Mercury brand should have options only specific to Mercury like a engine or drive train not chrome and plastic bits. Mercury is supposed to be their upmarket brand correct? 

The all wheel drive system should only be a Milan option not the Ford thing. 
Or the just go buy the original, the Mazada 6.</description>
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<p>The all wheel drive system should only be a Milan option not the Ford thing.<br />
Or the just go buy the original, the Mazada 6.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Maxb49</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/mercury-milan-review/comment-page-1/#comment-55756</link>
		<dc:creator>Maxb49</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 02:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have to hand it to Ford. They built a nice family car. As with most cars on the market, it&#039;s overpriced, but a good buyer should be able to talk it down a certain degree. It&#039;s a 4/V6 that is competitive, if not better than the Camry, Accord, and its Chevrolet rivals.

This review was an enjoyable read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->You have to hand it to Ford. They built a nice family car. As with most cars on the market, it&#8217;s overpriced, but a good buyer should be able to talk it down a certain degree. It&#8217;s a 4/V6 that is competitive, if not better than the Camry, Accord, and its Chevrolet rivals.</p>
<p>This review was an enjoyable read.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Steve Biro</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/mercury-milan-review/comment-page-1/#comment-55669</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Biro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I certainly do not! :)  The overall package presented by the Mustang GT is a compelling proposition and a good value.</description>
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		<title>By: umterp85</title>
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		<dc:creator>umterp85</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Steve Biro: Excellent overall write-up and could not agree more.

On your last point...and as a current 2005 Mustang owner—I agree that there are some points of the interior that are too plasticky and cheap (dash in particular). That said—the Interior Upgrade Package spruces up the cabin quite a bit over the ultra cheap base model. Also, the gauges are retro cool (particularly with the My Color), the 500 watt stereo is above average, and the seats are very comfortable. Net, the overall interior design works well—hopefully they address some of the materials in the ‘09 update. 

But really, do you really obsess about the Mustang interior with such a terrific exterior design and 300 horses rumbling under the hood ? I certainly hope not. 

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<p>On your last point&#8230;and as a current 2005 Mustang owner—I agree that there are some points of the interior that are too plasticky and cheap (dash in particular). That said—the Interior Upgrade Package spruces up the cabin quite a bit over the ultra cheap base model. Also, the gauges are retro cool (particularly with the My Color), the 500 watt stereo is above average, and the seats are very comfortable. Net, the overall interior design works well—hopefully they address some of the materials in the ‘09 update. </p>
<p>But really, do you really obsess about the Mustang interior with such a terrific exterior design and 300 horses rumbling under the hood ? I certainly hope not.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Steve Biro</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/mercury-milan-review/comment-page-1/#comment-55512</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Biro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;rtz: 
June 12th, 2007 at 9:01 pm 

The foam that covers the dash is the same type of foam my old Nerf footballs were made out of. The various hard plastic has the same texture and tactile feel as the igloo ice chest out in the garage. The carpet is the same stuff used on speaker boxes used for sub woofers. The seats were the hardest seats I’ve ever sat on. I couldn’t drive that car for long amounts of time. Those seats hurt my lower back. The god damned road noise coming in from the tires about made me deaf! The bass/treble settings sounded awful! I adjusted for I don’t know how long and never could get anything to sound at least halfway decent. Hey Ford(all), just put off the shelf standard DIN head units in all your vehicles and forget all this nonsense you insist on. Someone buys a brand new car and heads straight to Best Buy or Circuit City in an attempt to get a decent radio in their brand new vehicle. You know all those 50 something different model head units from Sony/JVC/Kenwood/Alpine/Clarion? What if everyone of those was available as an option in every vehicle made? What radio you want? We’ve got them all. Same goes for speakers.&quot;

Okay, I can&#039;t account for intangibles like seat comfort and audio quality, because our bodies and sensibilities are all different.  I also want to make it clear that I am not picking on rtz in particular here. But...

I am sick and tired of hearing the overwhelming majority of auto reviewers and/or Web posters talk about the nasty, hard plastic and crappy switchgear in the auto interiors of just about every domestic car - while at the same time waxing poetic about the heavenly wonderfulness of the interiors in most foreign cars - VW, Toyota, Honda, et al.  

I spent a lot of time at the NYC auto show sitting in a whole lot of cars - 2007 and 2008 cars - checking out these kinds of things in particular.  And, do you know what?  The emperor wears no clothes.  There&#039;s plenty of nasty, hard plastic in VWs, Toyotas, Hondas, Nissans and the like.  Has anyone here checked out the switchgear in the new VW Rabbit?  I urge you to do so - because it&#039;s no better than what you&#039;ll find in a Chevy Cobalt.

Please don&#039;t misunderstand:  I am not a &quot;defend the domestics at any and all stakes&quot; type of guy.  And the products coming out of GM, Ford and Chrysler are far from perfect.  And I have owned plenty of foreign cars.  But let&#039;s be honest with ourselves and each other.  Let&#039;s not compare the interiors of 15-20K domestics with those of 30K-plus Acuras, Audis, BMWs, Infinitis and Lexi.  And let&#039;s observe the quality of the foreign competition as it is now - not five years ago.  It appears there&#039;s plenty of cost-cutting going around on every continent.

If we&#039;re going to critique domestic cars, fine.  But let&#039;s remove our rose-colored glasses and have an honest discussion.  If any of us prefers Toyotas, Hondas, VWs, etc... fantastic.  But let&#039;s not assume superiority where it no longer exists.

One aside:  The interior of the Mustang is pretty cheap for a car at that price point - by anybody standards. :)

That&#039;s my rant.  Thanks for indulging me.</description>
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June 12th, 2007 at 9:01 pm </p>
<p>The foam that covers the dash is the same type of foam my old Nerf footballs were made out of. The various hard plastic has the same texture and tactile feel as the igloo ice chest out in the garage. The carpet is the same stuff used on speaker boxes used for sub woofers. The seats were the hardest seats I’ve ever sat on. I couldn’t drive that car for long amounts of time. Those seats hurt my lower back. The god damned road noise coming in from the tires about made me deaf! The bass/treble settings sounded awful! I adjusted for I don’t know how long and never could get anything to sound at least halfway decent. Hey Ford(all), just put off the shelf standard DIN head units in all your vehicles and forget all this nonsense you insist on. Someone buys a brand new car and heads straight to Best Buy or Circuit City in an attempt to get a decent radio in their brand new vehicle. You know all those 50 something different model head units from Sony/JVC/Kenwood/Alpine/Clarion? What if everyone of those was available as an option in every vehicle made? What radio you want? We’ve got them all. Same goes for speakers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Okay, I can&#8217;t account for intangibles like seat comfort and audio quality, because our bodies and sensibilities are all different.  I also want to make it clear that I am not picking on rtz in particular here. But&#8230;</p>
<p>I am sick and tired of hearing the overwhelming majority of auto reviewers and/or Web posters talk about the nasty, hard plastic and crappy switchgear in the auto interiors of just about every domestic car &#8211; while at the same time waxing poetic about the heavenly wonderfulness of the interiors in most foreign cars &#8211; VW, Toyota, Honda, et al.  </p>
<p>I spent a lot of time at the NYC auto show sitting in a whole lot of cars &#8211; 2007 and 2008 cars &#8211; checking out these kinds of things in particular.  And, do you know what?  The emperor wears no clothes.  There&#8217;s plenty of nasty, hard plastic in VWs, Toyotas, Hondas, Nissans and the like.  Has anyone here checked out the switchgear in the new VW Rabbit?  I urge you to do so &#8211; because it&#8217;s no better than what you&#8217;ll find in a Chevy Cobalt.</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t misunderstand:  I am not a &#8220;defend the domestics at any and all stakes&#8221; type of guy.  And the products coming out of GM, Ford and Chrysler are far from perfect.  And I have owned plenty of foreign cars.  But let&#8217;s be honest with ourselves and each other.  Let&#8217;s not compare the interiors of 15-20K domestics with those of 30K-plus Acuras, Audis, BMWs, Infinitis and Lexi.  And let&#8217;s observe the quality of the foreign competition as it is now &#8211; not five years ago.  It appears there&#8217;s plenty of cost-cutting going around on every continent.</p>
<p>If we&#8217;re going to critique domestic cars, fine.  But let&#8217;s remove our rose-colored glasses and have an honest discussion.  If any of us prefers Toyotas, Hondas, VWs, etc&#8230; fantastic.  But let&#8217;s not assume superiority where it no longer exists.</p>
<p>One aside:  The interior of the Mustang is pretty cheap for a car at that price point &#8211; by anybody standards. :)</p>
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		<title>By: rtz</title>
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		<dc:creator>rtz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 01:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Had a Fusion as a rental a while back.  Was it an &#039;06 or &#039;07 model I just don&#039;t recall even though at the time, I personally searched it out on the sticker on the side of the door.

The foam that covers the dash is the same type of foam my old Nerf footballs were made out of.  The various hard plastic has the same texture and tactile feel as the igloo ice chest out in the garage.  The carpet is the same stuff used on speaker boxes used for sub woofers.  The seats were the hardest seats I&#039;ve ever sat on.  I couldn&#039;t drive that car for long amounts of time.  Those seats hurt my lower back.  The god damned road noise coming in from the tires about made me deaf!  The bass/treble settings sounded &lt;em&gt;awful&lt;/em&gt;!  I adjusted for I don&#039;t know how long and never could get anything to sound at least halfway decent.  Hey Ford(all), just put off the shelf standard DIN head units in all your vehicles and forget all this nonsense you insist on.  Someone buys a brand new car and heads straight to Best Buy or Circuit City in an attempt to get a decent radio in their brand new vehicle.  You know all those 50 something different model head units from Sony/JVC/Kenwood/Alpine/Clarion?  What if everyone of those was available as an option in every vehicle made?  What radio you want?  We&#039;ve got them all.  Same goes for speakers.

And you know what?  This car rode like complete ass.  Stiff and rode like a god damned chuck wagon.  You don&#039;t even need springs.  Just bolt the control arms directly to the sub frame.  You put these stiff springs in this so it would &quot;handle&quot;?  Well why was I sliding sideways on the onramp and elsewhere?  I was under steering everywhere I went.  I nearly couldn&#039;t get anywhere cause I was slip sliding around so much.  Go straight goddamnit I shouted! (no, I want to go sideways says heavy, rough riding, no handling Ford Fusion).  2 models.  How many million times do I have to ask for it.  Spring a model to handle &quot;best in class&quot;.  Put luxury suspension in the other model so it rides like it&#039;s on air.  I never want to feel a single crack, bump, or expansion joint in the rode.  Never.  Also, make an &quot;extra sound deadening option&quot;.  $50?  ~$100?  $10?  I don&#039;t know, but I almost went deaf from the road noise coming off those tires and I had the windows up!

I opened the hood and took one look at that transverse V6 packed in there and said &quot;I&#039;d never buy this car for this reason alone&quot;.  I&#039;d hate to have to ever work on that motor.  I can&#039;t stand cramped/packed engine compartments.  Have fun changing the water pump or timing belt or ever working on the back half of that V6.  Head gaskets anyone?

So I took that vehicle out on an endurance run to see what it was made of.  Find some water(so I don&#039;t(hopefully) break anything.  Find some on some &quot;slippery when wet&quot; type asphalt.  The type where the stones in it have been polished from every time it has ever rained or snowed and every car and truck that ever accelerated away from that stop sign had wheel spin as a result.  Pull up, put the shifter down into low or first or whatever they were calling it, pull up the parking brake for maximum fun, floor it.  God damn light lights up in gauge cluster and a loud annoying beep starts sounding off alerting me that my &quot;parking brake is engaged&quot;.  Reminds me of the time my brother in laws TDI Beetle had an intake leak and would whistle when the boost level got high.  I told him to mash on the brakes and floor it to exacerbate the &quot;problem&quot; to help locate the mystery sound before we knew it was a split rubber intake elbow.  What&#039;s VW do when you try and do that?  The drive by wire gas pedal setup kills the acceleration so you can&#039;t accelerate and brake at the same time!  OK, engage the parking brake while we are driving and floor it in a higher gear to really lug the motor down.  It whistled &lt;em&gt;real good&lt;/em&gt;.

So back to the Fusion.  Yeah, it lit them up pretty good.  It was satisfying enough(I had to do it a few more times, warning bell and all).

True slush box automatic though.  That torque converter was just slip sliding all the power away.  Floor one of these cars from the take off or even when on the highway.  Floor it and notice/feel/sense/detect(imagine?), the torque converter just slipping.  Pure slip and no go.  I could be accelerating forward at a faster rate but no, lets have the converter power through the fluid instead.

So what&#039;d I do with this car during the short time I had it?  I lit the tires up a few times with the help of the parking brake and some water.  Plenty of full throttle acceleration.  Pushed the handling to the limits.  I&#039;d like to think I even exceeded them a few times too.

Oh yeah.  The best moment.  I forgot to look while I was under the hood, but does this car have anti lock brakes?   I wanted to test them out.  There is a street that is downhill and the asphalt is all slick and bumpy from all the trucks and of course there is a stop sign at the bottom of the hill(isn&#039;t there always?).  So I run it up to 60 or so, wait till the last minute and jam on the brakes.  What a nice squeal I got from all the tires as I&#039;m sliding real nice and real far too.  You should have seen all the smoke from the tires.  I sure saw it and smelt it(smelt pretty decent).  It was great.  I circled around as I wanted to do it again(and again).  Second attempt.  It couldn&#039;t and wouldn&#039;t.  Brake fade?  Brakes too hot?  I don&#039;t know, but  I could never get it to lock up all the tires again like I did that time.  I think the bumpy road is what confused/tripped up/bypassed the anti-lock brakes(if it even had any).

Would I buy this car?  Hell no.  If I won the lotto, I&#039;d buy a Prius just for running errands.  Why?  Cause it&#039;s so hassle free.  Jump in, forget about keys, those are old fashion.  Just leave them in your pocket.  No futzing about with an ignition switch, no start up procedure.  Just nail that ON button, blip the joystick to either d or r and floor it.  CVT screaming at maximum performance.  I want to turbocharge a Prius and I want to smoke the hell out of a CVT cause it needs to be done.  ~500 hp Prius.  Floor it and the car isn&#039;t moving, but the transmission sure is getting driven like it never has.  Worth it?  You bet.  Power stalling a Prius?  It&#039;s got to be done.  That car needs a proper burnout to be performed with it. I might just have to go to the Toyota dealer and rent one for ~$40 a day...

Fast forward this video up to 1:14 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JqKDV9gHWTg 

Now that would be fun to lay into while going down the street...

I bet it moves pretty good.  Imagine accelerating on the highway onramp with those turbos screaming  away at full tilt.  What a sight(and a feeling!).</description>
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<p>The foam that covers the dash is the same type of foam my old Nerf footballs were made out of.  The various hard plastic has the same texture and tactile feel as the igloo ice chest out in the garage.  The carpet is the same stuff used on speaker boxes used for sub woofers.  The seats were the hardest seats I&#8217;ve ever sat on.  I couldn&#8217;t drive that car for long amounts of time.  Those seats hurt my lower back.  The god damned road noise coming in from the tires about made me deaf!  The bass/treble settings sounded <em>awful</em>!  I adjusted for I don&#8217;t know how long and never could get anything to sound at least halfway decent.  Hey Ford(all), just put off the shelf standard DIN head units in all your vehicles and forget all this nonsense you insist on.  Someone buys a brand new car and heads straight to Best Buy or Circuit City in an attempt to get a decent radio in their brand new vehicle.  You know all those 50 something different model head units from Sony/JVC/Kenwood/Alpine/Clarion?  What if everyone of those was available as an option in every vehicle made?  What radio you want?  We&#8217;ve got them all.  Same goes for speakers.</p>
<p>And you know what?  This car rode like complete ass.  Stiff and rode like a god damned chuck wagon.  You don&#8217;t even need springs.  Just bolt the control arms directly to the sub frame.  You put these stiff springs in this so it would &#8220;handle&#8221;?  Well why was I sliding sideways on the onramp and elsewhere?  I was under steering everywhere I went.  I nearly couldn&#8217;t get anywhere cause I was slip sliding around so much.  Go straight goddamnit I shouted! (no, I want to go sideways says heavy, rough riding, no handling Ford Fusion).  2 models.  How many million times do I have to ask for it.  Spring a model to handle &#8220;best in class&#8221;.  Put luxury suspension in the other model so it rides like it&#8217;s on air.  I never want to feel a single crack, bump, or expansion joint in the rode.  Never.  Also, make an &#8220;extra sound deadening option&#8221;.  $50?  ~$100?  $10?  I don&#8217;t know, but I almost went deaf from the road noise coming off those tires and I had the windows up!</p>
<p>I opened the hood and took one look at that transverse V6 packed in there and said &#8220;I&#8217;d never buy this car for this reason alone&#8221;.  I&#8217;d hate to have to ever work on that motor.  I can&#8217;t stand cramped/packed engine compartments.  Have fun changing the water pump or timing belt or ever working on the back half of that V6.  Head gaskets anyone?</p>
<p>So I took that vehicle out on an endurance run to see what it was made of.  Find some water(so I don&#8217;t(hopefully) break anything.  Find some on some &#8220;slippery when wet&#8221; type asphalt.  The type where the stones in it have been polished from every time it has ever rained or snowed and every car and truck that ever accelerated away from that stop sign had wheel spin as a result.  Pull up, put the shifter down into low or first or whatever they were calling it, pull up the parking brake for maximum fun, floor it.  God damn light lights up in gauge cluster and a loud annoying beep starts sounding off alerting me that my &#8220;parking brake is engaged&#8221;.  Reminds me of the time my brother in laws TDI Beetle had an intake leak and would whistle when the boost level got high.  I told him to mash on the brakes and floor it to exacerbate the &#8220;problem&#8221; to help locate the mystery sound before we knew it was a split rubber intake elbow.  What&#8217;s VW do when you try and do that?  The drive by wire gas pedal setup kills the acceleration so you can&#8217;t accelerate and brake at the same time!  OK, engage the parking brake while we are driving and floor it in a higher gear to really lug the motor down.  It whistled <em>real good</em>.</p>
<p>So back to the Fusion.  Yeah, it lit them up pretty good.  It was satisfying enough(I had to do it a few more times, warning bell and all).</p>
<p>True slush box automatic though.  That torque converter was just slip sliding all the power away.  Floor one of these cars from the take off or even when on the highway.  Floor it and notice/feel/sense/detect(imagine?), the torque converter just slipping.  Pure slip and no go.  I could be accelerating forward at a faster rate but no, lets have the converter power through the fluid instead.</p>
<p>So what&#8217;d I do with this car during the short time I had it?  I lit the tires up a few times with the help of the parking brake and some water.  Plenty of full throttle acceleration.  Pushed the handling to the limits.  I&#8217;d like to think I even exceeded them a few times too.</p>
<p>Oh yeah.  The best moment.  I forgot to look while I was under the hood, but does this car have anti lock brakes?   I wanted to test them out.  There is a street that is downhill and the asphalt is all slick and bumpy from all the trucks and of course there is a stop sign at the bottom of the hill(isn&#8217;t there always?).  So I run it up to 60 or so, wait till the last minute and jam on the brakes.  What a nice squeal I got from all the tires as I&#8217;m sliding real nice and real far too.  You should have seen all the smoke from the tires.  I sure saw it and smelt it(smelt pretty decent).  It was great.  I circled around as I wanted to do it again(and again).  Second attempt.  It couldn&#8217;t and wouldn&#8217;t.  Brake fade?  Brakes too hot?  I don&#8217;t know, but  I could never get it to lock up all the tires again like I did that time.  I think the bumpy road is what confused/tripped up/bypassed the anti-lock brakes(if it even had any).</p>
<p>Would I buy this car?  Hell no.  If I won the lotto, I&#8217;d buy a Prius just for running errands.  Why?  Cause it&#8217;s so hassle free.  Jump in, forget about keys, those are old fashion.  Just leave them in your pocket.  No futzing about with an ignition switch, no start up procedure.  Just nail that ON button, blip the joystick to either d or r and floor it.  CVT screaming at maximum performance.  I want to turbocharge a Prius and I want to smoke the hell out of a CVT cause it needs to be done.  ~500 hp Prius.  Floor it and the car isn&#8217;t moving, but the transmission sure is getting driven like it never has.  Worth it?  You bet.  Power stalling a Prius?  It&#8217;s got to be done.  That car needs a proper burnout to be performed with it. I might just have to go to the Toyota dealer and rent one for ~$40 a day&#8230;</p>
<p>Fast forward this video up to 1:14 </p>
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<p>Now that would be fun to lay into while going down the street&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: zacarious</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice review but you forgot two critical pieces of info  … 1st: Your failure to mention the Mercury Girl (Jill Wagner www.myspace.com/jillwagner) at least once is criminal, any article about the brand or any of its vehicles should contain at least one throwaway line about the Mercury Girl, you just have to.  2nd:  You failed to mention that SEAT (VW&#039;s Spanish arm) is looking for thier rear lights back.  Everytime I see the back of a Milan, i think Seat, which is a good thing ... right?  maybe not but it is Euro</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Nice review but you forgot two critical pieces of info  … 1st: Your failure to mention the Mercury Girl (Jill Wagner <a href="http://www.myspace.com/jillwagner" rel="nofollow">http://www.myspace.com/jillwagner</a>) at least once is criminal, any article about the brand or any of its vehicles should contain at least one throwaway line about the Mercury Girl, you just have to.  2nd:  You failed to mention that SEAT (VW&#8217;s Spanish arm) is looking for thier rear lights back.  Everytime I see the back of a Milan, i think Seat, which is a good thing &#8230; right?  maybe not but it is Euro<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Jim H</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 18:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MKZ -- Mortal Combat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
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		<title>By: GS650G</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about a TTAC review of the car babes that ad these vehicles complete with star ratings. Start with Jill and work you way over to the eye candy in the Subaru Imprezza.</description>
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		<title>By: Landcrusher</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Umterp,

Perhaps a bit of an overstatement, but not much of one given the market share and profits of yesteryear. They lost customers one at a time over many, many years.

Besides it was a good pun. It seems Fords sell better the higher their capacity :)</description>
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<p>Perhaps a bit of an overstatement, but not much of one given the market share and profits of yesteryear. They lost customers one at a time over many, many years.</p>
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		<title>By: partsisparts</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gentle Ted:
 Have you driven these cars?? I get 25mpg with my V6 Fusion combined driving. The transmission does not act like you described at all. The car drives very well, much better than the japanese competition.</description>
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 Have you driven these cars?? I get 25mpg with my V6 Fusion combined driving. The transmission does not act like you described at all. The car drives very well, much better than the japanese competition.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: umterp85</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jurisb: “why should you buy a japanese mazda 6 in an american mercury sauce ( with all the quality issues associated), if you can buy a pure japanese mazda 6″

Interesting question you pose…the “japanese mazda 6″ is actually built in Flat Rock Mich…while the mazda 6 with “american mercury sauce” is built in Mexico…go figure. 

BTW…I am assuming you mean exceptional quality in the Mercury Milan when you say “with all the quality issues associated”…the Milan beats the Accord, Camry and for that matter any other mid-size car in quality as shown by JD Powers, Consumer Reports, and others. 

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<p>Interesting question you pose…the “japanese mazda 6″ is actually built in Flat Rock Mich…while the mazda 6 with “american mercury sauce” is built in Mexico…go figure. </p>
<p>BTW…I am assuming you mean exceptional quality in the Mercury Milan when you say “with all the quality issues associated”…the Milan beats the Accord, Camry and for that matter any other mid-size car in quality as shown by JD Powers, Consumer Reports, and others.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Gentle Ted</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 6 speed automatic transmission in these vehicles pose problems for drivers, the driver can only choose between &quot;D&quot; and &quot;L&quot;. this results in constant upshifts and downshifts that are a hazzard as well as being annoying, also the Ford V6 uses a lot of Gasoline and with todays high prices for same, not a good deal for any owner!</description>
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		<title>By: danms6</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 12:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;jurisb:&lt;/em&gt;

Point well received, and I agree with you for the most part.  However, it&#039;s not set up exactly the same as the Mazda6.  The ride is softer and less sporty due to a little extra weight.  Overall, I believe some people are willing to trade some handling for a little more comfort yet not be doomed to driving an appliance.</description>
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<p>Point well received, and I agree with you for the most part.  However, it&#8217;s not set up exactly the same as the Mazda6.  The ride is softer and less sporty due to a little extra weight.  Overall, I believe some people are willing to trade some handling for a little more comfort yet not be doomed to driving an appliance.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: jurisb</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 08:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mercury still hasn`t got a single its own model. how can one call it a brand, if it doesn`t have cars? your sales drop? why shouldn`t they if you don`t have your own cars. milan should be compared to it`s parent- mazda 6. because actually, let`s open eyes , it`s a pure japanese car- japanese gearboxes, japanese and german engines, japanese chassis. platform, japanese, german electronics. the question is how little domestic content you have to leave inside the car to sell it as american mercury? don`t you guys see, at first its platform, then engines, gearboxes, next- sheetmetal will be purely japanese. why should you buy a japanese mazda 6 in an american mercury sauce ( with all the quality issues associated), if you can buy a pure japanese mazda 6. because this is american? it`s an illusion of american. fake wood venner is better? the american patient is survivng only on japanese donors. like american industry in whole.</description>
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		<title>By: theflyersfan</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 03:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just one request from a long-time reader and poster...now that even the smiling &quot;each car is perfect&quot; fossils on MotorWeek use the word &quot;bling&quot; at least 3 times an episode, can we finally retire that word?  Just a request.

Also, there was a jogging of the memory when I saw Johnny&#039;s name - what ever happened that anyone can tell us, regarding Edmunds vs TTAC?

I strongly believe that if Ford doesn&#039;t give up on this like they have given up on cars in the past, this could be the car that turns it around.  It is the right size for most buyers, it has the right economy (and would make for a decent hybrid), it can be a global car so Ford can chuck some of the older-tech engines for newer spec ones, and the styling is (in these eyes) a lot better than the current Camry.  (I still like the simplicity of the 07 Accord style, the &quot;we finally shrunk the butt&quot; style of the new Altima, and I&#039;ve always like the exterior of the Mazda6.  With a few minor tweaks to the chunky grille and taillights, we have a winner in the Fusion and Milan.)</description>
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<p>Also, there was a jogging of the memory when I saw Johnny&#8217;s name &#8211; what ever happened that anyone can tell us, regarding Edmunds vs TTAC?</p>
<p>I strongly believe that if Ford doesn&#8217;t give up on this like they have given up on cars in the past, this could be the car that turns it around.  It is the right size for most buyers, it has the right economy (and would make for a decent hybrid), it can be a global car so Ford can chuck some of the older-tech engines for newer spec ones, and the styling is (in these eyes) a lot better than the current Camry.  (I still like the simplicity of the 07 Accord style, the &#8220;we finally shrunk the butt&#8221; style of the new Altima, and I&#8217;ve always like the exterior of the Mazda6.  With a few minor tweaks to the chunky grille and taillights, we have a winner in the Fusion and Milan.)<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Robert Schwartz</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 03:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Usually you can buy a Mercury, cheaper than an identically equiped Ford, because the dealers are less interested in them, they only care about Lincolns.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 22:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand Ford.  They can&#039;t share hidden items such as seat tracks, hood prop rods or window motors, but they&#039;ll grab the radio straight out of a $12k Focus and put it in this car?  Madness.</description>
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		<title>By: Tomb Z</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;... when your inner hooligan tempts your soul...&lt;/em&gt;

May I suggest &#039;inner hoonigan&#039;?

Or would that be too much?

Very nice review.</description>
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<p>May I suggest &#8216;inner hoonigan&#8217;?</p>
<p>Or would that be too much?</p>
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		<title>By: chamar</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>none the less, the CD3 trio from Ford is definte evidence that they still wish to sell cars to the North American Consumer. 

Btw, it&#039;d be nice if someone can help me find the sales #s for Fusion and Camcord, because up here in Toronto/Mississauga region the # of fusions have exploded, in my street alone there are 3 Fusions and couple Ford Edge. 

If anything Fusion must be up there with Camcord sales in my area.</description>
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<p>Btw, it&#8217;d be nice if someone can help me find the sales #s for Fusion and Camcord, because up here in Toronto/Mississauga region the # of fusions have exploded, in my street alone there are 3 Fusions and couple Ford Edge. </p>
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		<title>By: Steve_S</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 19:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe after Ford sells Jaq and Land Rover they can spend some money on Mercury and Lincoln. Although I must say the Jaguar CXF is a great looking concept car.</description>
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