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	<title>Comments on: McCain OKs CA&#8217;s EPA Trump Card</title>
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		<title>By: golden2husky</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/mccain-oks-cas-epa-trump-card/comment-page-1/#comment-611292</link>
		<dc:creator>golden2husky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 12:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;McCain reversed his position on California&#039;s emissions regulation, saying &quot;I guess at the end of the day I support the states being able to do that.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;...

&quot;As goes California, so goes the nation&quot;...which IMHO could be a good thing in this case, provided it is handled properly.  But as all things political, I have my doubts...Now my wife wants a divorce because I agreed with something Johnny boy said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>McCain reversed his position on California&#8217;s emissions regulation, saying &#8220;I guess at the end of the day I support the states being able to do that.&#8221;</em>&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;As goes California, so goes the nation&#8221;&#8230;which IMHO could be a good thing in this case, provided it is handled properly.  But as all things political, I have my doubts&#8230;Now my wife wants a divorce because I agreed with something Johnny boy said.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: ttacgreg</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/mccain-oks-cas-epa-trump-card/comment-page-1/#comment-610741</link>
		<dc:creator>ttacgreg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we play this &quot;democratic republic&quot; game by the rules, that would be the Constitution of the USA, then just WTF can a Commander in Chief and the highest ranking cop in the nation do to &quot;save&quot; the 2.8&#039;s ass?
   He can enforce the laws Congress enacts.  
   Of course I forgot, people in this country think they are actually electing an emperor for a term of office, and it sure appears like that is what we will be getting. 
   I hope and suspect Obama&#039;s reported backgroud in Constitutional law will make him perhaps a bit more of a rule player, but his FISA vote leaves me quite doubtful at this time. Additonally I have NEVER seen a politician like McCain just say anything at any given moment, and something else the next, and then display utter ignorance (about so many things) the next, and get such a pass from the TV press.
   Apalling.  So this is face of amorality and decline. Too bad we cannot imitate Switzerland instead of the Roman Empire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->If we play this &#8220;democratic republic&#8221; game by the rules, that would be the Constitution of the USA, then just WTF can a Commander in Chief and the highest ranking cop in the nation do to &#8220;save&#8221; the 2.8&#8217;s ass?<br />
   He can enforce the laws Congress enacts.<br />
   Of course I forgot, people in this country think they are actually electing an emperor for a term of office, and it sure appears like that is what we will be getting.<br />
   I hope and suspect Obama&#8217;s reported backgroud in Constitutional law will make him perhaps a bit more of a rule player, but his FISA vote leaves me quite doubtful at this time. Additonally I have NEVER seen a politician like McCain just say anything at any given moment, and something else the next, and then display utter ignorance (about so many things) the next, and get such a pass from the TV press.<br />
   Apalling.  So this is face of amorality and decline. Too bad we cannot imitate Switzerland instead of the Roman Empire.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: RogerB34</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/mccain-oks-cas-epa-trump-card/comment-page-1/#comment-610681</link>
		<dc:creator>RogerB34</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Feds cannot draw the line between State and Federal rights, USA will become the State of California.</description>
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		<title>By: jkross22</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/mccain-oks-cas-epa-trump-card/comment-page-1/#comment-610532</link>
		<dc:creator>jkross22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Orian,

Yes, we all have to be flexible and open to new information.  The problem with pervasive flip flopping is that it indicates a lack of courage to stand up for a core opinion/belief you hold, even when it&#039;s not popular to do so.  Obama has done this on a regular basis and as a result, unless you&#039;re at the Obama trough, you&#039;ve got to question what the guy really believes.  The lack of a paper trail on him should also set off some alarms, but unfortunately, his supporters are clearly not open minded enough to ask those questions.  

Same thing can be said for GM&#039;s non-existent leadership.  That&#039;s a company with such little vision because it&#039;s insulated itself from reality.  Talk about groupthink.  Organizationally, it acts like a child with arrested development.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Orian,</p>
<p>Yes, we all have to be flexible and open to new information.  The problem with pervasive flip flopping is that it indicates a lack of courage to stand up for a core opinion/belief you hold, even when it&#8217;s not popular to do so.  Obama has done this on a regular basis and as a result, unless you&#8217;re at the Obama trough, you&#8217;ve got to question what the guy really believes.  The lack of a paper trail on him should also set off some alarms, but unfortunately, his supporters are clearly not open minded enough to ask those questions.  </p>
<p>Same thing can be said for GM&#8217;s non-existent leadership.  That&#8217;s a company with such little vision because it&#8217;s insulated itself from reality.  Talk about groupthink.  Organizationally, it acts like a child with arrested development.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: RedStapler</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/mccain-oks-cas-epa-trump-card/comment-page-1/#comment-609691</link>
		<dc:creator>RedStapler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$4 gas and $5 diesel has just about made CAFE irrelevant.  Most mainstream shoppers won&#039;t even look at anything below 25mpg and have a preference for 30mpg+.  

Not that it had all that much effect anyway with all its loopholes.  Call the HHR and PT Crusier &quot;Trucks&quot; sure!  Vehciles getting 30mpg+ credit for a never to be used ability to burn ethanol, right on!  Add an extra 1000 lbs to your Full Size SUV and make it entirely exempt the regs!</description>
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<p>Not that it had all that much effect anyway with all its loopholes.  Call the HHR and PT Crusier &#8220;Trucks&#8221; sure!  Vehciles getting 30mpg+ credit for a never to be used ability to burn ethanol, right on!  Add an extra 1000 lbs to your Full Size SUV and make it entirely exempt the regs!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Orian</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/mccain-oks-cas-epa-trump-card/comment-page-1/#comment-609162</link>
		<dc:creator>Orian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jkross - they both are flip floppers...in some ways I think that is better than someone with too strong of an opinion that refuses to see the forest for the trees when the facts are presented to them (see current administration).

Honestly I think some flip flopping has to take place as more information is brought to light - it&#039;s human nature to form an opinion on something only to change our minds later once more information is provided.

We&#039;re seeing first hand what can happen when a leader/leadership sticks to their guns in light of all sorts of new and pertinent information (Wagonner and GM&#039;s board of bystanders).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->jkross &#8211; they both are flip floppers&#8230;in some ways I think that is better than someone with too strong of an opinion that refuses to see the forest for the trees when the facts are presented to them (see current administration).</p>
<p>Honestly I think some flip flopping has to take place as more information is brought to light &#8211; it&#8217;s human nature to form an opinion on something only to change our minds later once more information is provided.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re seeing first hand what can happen when a leader/leadership sticks to their guns in light of all sorts of new and pertinent information (Wagonner and GM&#8217;s board of bystanders).<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: brettc</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/mccain-oks-cas-epa-trump-card/comment-page-1/#comment-609122</link>
		<dc:creator>brettc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plus the Volt won&#039;t be available until 2030. Woops, I mean the year of magic - 2010.

That guy in the picture sure does have a hopeless look on his face. Meanwhile, Milkshake McGee is taking a nap, because that&#039;s what 90 year olds do. I think both candidates are lying weasels, but Johnny is way too greasy for me. I hate having to chose between the lesser of 2 evils, but I guess that&#039;s just the way she goes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Plus the Volt won&#8217;t be available until 2030. Woops, I mean the year of magic &#8211; 2010.</p>
<p>That guy in the picture sure does have a hopeless look on his face. Meanwhile, Milkshake McGee is taking a nap, because that&#8217;s what 90 year olds do. I think both candidates are lying weasels, but Johnny is way too greasy for me. I hate having to chose between the lesser of 2 evils, but I guess that&#8217;s just the way she goes.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: bill h.</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/mccain-oks-cas-epa-trump-card/comment-page-1/#comment-609022</link>
		<dc:creator>bill h.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just so long as McCain (for once) didn&#039;t confuse the C in CARB for Czechoslovakia again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Just so long as McCain (for once) didn&#8217;t confuse the C in CARB for Czechoslovakia again.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Landcrusher</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/mccain-oks-cas-epa-trump-card/comment-page-1/#comment-608912</link>
		<dc:creator>Landcrusher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AKM

Yep, agreed.</description>
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		<title>By: Landcrusher</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/mccain-oks-cas-epa-trump-card/comment-page-1/#comment-608901</link>
		<dc:creator>Landcrusher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunnyvale,

CA has one of the highest, if not the highest, taxes on gasoline in the country. Gas is not that expensive in california, gas plus california state government inefficiency is that expensive.

Any chance you guys might start drilling off the coast anytime soon? It would put a real crimp in the speculators style if they couldn&#039;t be so sure that no more fuel may come on the market.</description>
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<p>CA has one of the highest, if not the highest, taxes on gasoline in the country. Gas is not that expensive in california, gas plus california state government inefficiency is that expensive.</p>
<p>Any chance you guys might start drilling off the coast anytime soon? It would put a real crimp in the speculators style if they couldn&#8217;t be so sure that no more fuel may come on the market.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: jkross22</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/mccain-oks-cas-epa-trump-card/comment-page-1/#comment-608862</link>
		<dc:creator>jkross22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Orian,

The flip flops both candidates are doing is the same old politics (I thought Obama was a new kind of politician.  Oh well).

That being said, I guess one could argue that Obama&#039;s voting record (with more &#039;present&#039; votes than nearly all his peers) indicates that it&#039;s not so much that he&#039;s a flip flopper, but lacks an opinion one way or another.  This should trouble his supporters, but for them, they don&#039;t seem to want to be troubled by any pesky facts.</description>
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<p>The flip flops both candidates are doing is the same old politics (I thought Obama was a new kind of politician.  Oh well).</p>
<p>That being said, I guess one could argue that Obama&#8217;s voting record (with more &#8216;present&#8217; votes than nearly all his peers) indicates that it&#8217;s not so much that he&#8217;s a flip flopper, but lacks an opinion one way or another.  This should trouble his supporters, but for them, they don&#8217;t seem to want to be troubled by any pesky facts.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: AKM</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/mccain-oks-cas-epa-trump-card/comment-page-1/#comment-608801</link>
		<dc:creator>AKM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;On the one hand, we hate flip floppers and admire straight talk. On the other, we make fun of politicians who fail to dance through these hoops in an elegant fashion.&lt;/em&gt;

Without taking any sides, I have been very disappointed to see 2 candidates propelled to the nominations by voters who wanted change, the end of pork barrel, the end of Washington insiders, and all that.
And at the same time, those same voters still want their politicians to be the same as they always were! I.e. bring them the pork, appeal to their own vested interests, and bring on the same tired themes. 

In the end, I don&#039;t blame Obama or McCain, but I blame all of us for wanting change, without changing ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>On the one hand, we hate flip floppers and admire straight talk. On the other, we make fun of politicians who fail to dance through these hoops in an elegant fashion.</em></p>
<p>Without taking any sides, I have been very disappointed to see 2 candidates propelled to the nominations by voters who wanted change, the end of pork barrel, the end of Washington insiders, and all that.<br />
And at the same time, those same voters still want their politicians to be the same as they always were! I.e. bring them the pork, appeal to their own vested interests, and bring on the same tired themes. </p>
<p>In the end, I don&#8217;t blame Obama or McCain, but I blame all of us for wanting change, without changing ourselves.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Orian</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/mccain-oks-cas-epa-trump-card/comment-page-1/#comment-608772</link>
		<dc:creator>Orian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So is that a Flip or a flop for/against ethanol?</description>
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		<title>By: Edward Niedermeyer</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/mccain-oks-cas-epa-trump-card/comment-page-1/#comment-608701</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward Niedermeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080718/NEWS15/80718037/1215&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Freep&lt;/a&gt;:
&quot;McCain also said he hopes that all future vehicles will be flex-fuel vehicles powered by ethanol products or electricity.&quot;

E85: the fuel that will not die.</description>
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&#8220;McCain also said he hopes that all future vehicles will be flex-fuel vehicles powered by ethanol products or electricity.&#8221;</p>
<p>E85: the fuel that will not die.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: SunnyvaleCA</title>
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		<dc:creator>SunnyvaleCA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gasoline out here in California has averaged over $4.50 for several months.  Diesel is hovering around $5.  Just as the higher CAFE standards will be irrelevant because of the high country-wide fuel prices, CARB mileage standards will be irrelevant because of the even higher CA fuel prices.  That said, maybe CARB and EPA should drop all the mileage standards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Gasoline out here in California has averaged over $4.50 for several months.  Diesel is hovering around $5.  Just as the higher CAFE standards will be irrelevant because of the high country-wide fuel prices, CARB mileage standards will be irrelevant because of the even higher CA fuel prices.  That said, maybe CARB and EPA should drop all the mileage standards.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Robert Farago</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Farago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;OldandSlow &lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;John McCain must have come to the realization that he isn’t going to win the election. When in Iowa promise more support for ethanol and when in California say a word or two supporting CARB.&lt;/em&gt;

Actually, McCain said he DIDN&#039;T support corn (i.e. ethanol) subsidies. In Iowa. No less.</description>
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<p><em>John McCain must have come to the realization that he isn’t going to win the election. When in Iowa promise more support for ethanol and when in California say a word or two supporting CARB.</em></p>
<p>Actually, McCain said he DIDN&#8217;T support corn (i.e. ethanol) subsidies. In Iowa. No less.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Landcrusher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Landcrusher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the one hand, we hate flip floppers and admire straight talk. On the other, we make fun of politicians who fail to dance through these hoops in an elegant fashion.

We have met the enemy...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->On the one hand, we hate flip floppers and admire straight talk. On the other, we make fun of politicians who fail to dance through these hoops in an elegant fashion.</p>
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		<title>By: AJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We do need a single and nationwide standard, and Cali&#039;s new law is too aggressive and is more then likely going to damage the industry. Even Toyota is apart of the Alliance that has tried to delay their new law. It&#039;s not like it&#039;s just GM that is saying so. But after all, we can just kick that oil habit overnight if we just had a guy like Al Gore in charge! LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->We do need a single and nationwide standard, and Cali&#8217;s new law is too aggressive and is more then likely going to damage the industry. Even Toyota is apart of the Alliance that has tried to delay their new law. It&#8217;s not like it&#8217;s just GM that is saying so. But after all, we can just kick that oil habit overnight if we just had a guy like Al Gore in charge! LOL<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: OldandSlow</title>
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		<dc:creator>OldandSlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John McCain must have come to the realization that he isn&#039;t going to win the election.  When in Iowa promise more support for ethanol and when in California say a word or two supporting CARB.

The California Air Resources Board has gone over board with regards to their regulatory authority.  Their setting the standards for the rest of us is like having the tail wag the dog.</description>
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