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	<title>Comments on: Honda Shares The &#8220;Joy;&#8221; December Sales Down 34%</title>
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		<title>By: psarhjinian</title>
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		<dc:creator>psarhjinian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Transmission issue was not dead in 2008&lt;/em&gt;

Your transmission failed, which is bad for you and not unheard of among others, but indicative of epidemic transmission problems on V6+Automatic Hondas in 2008. 

Have a look at Consumer Reports.  Pull up the reliability stats for the V6 Accord, Odyssey, Acura TL or CL.  Have a look at the row of four black dots in the &quot;Transmission&quot; category at the early part of this decade.  Note that, on either side of those four years, it&#039;s otherwise a sea of red.

I&#039;d say that&#039;s indicative of a serious problem in V6/Automatic for those years.  It&#039;s also indicative of the problem&#039;s being fixed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>Transmission issue was not dead in 2008</em></p>
<p>Your transmission failed, which is bad for you and not unheard of among others, but indicative of epidemic transmission problems on V6+Automatic Hondas in 2008. </p>
<p>Have a look at Consumer Reports.  Pull up the reliability stats for the V6 Accord, Odyssey, Acura TL or CL.  Have a look at the row of four black dots in the &#8220;Transmission&#8221; category at the early part of this decade.  Note that, on either side of those four years, it&#8217;s otherwise a sea of red.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say that&#8217;s indicative of a serious problem in V6/Automatic for those years.  It&#8217;s also indicative of the problem&#8217;s being fixed.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: galaxygreymx5</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/honda-shares-the-joy/comment-page-1/#comment-1119552</link>
		<dc:creator>galaxygreymx5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 07:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tubacity,

I think what psarhjinian means is that era of mass transaxle failures in the 2000-2003 Accords, CLs, TLs, and Odysseys is over.

Every automaker builds some duds, and I&#039;m sure we could round up hundreds of vehicles made by each and every automaker in 2008 that had their transmissions crap out.  

But the point is that a few years ago, something like 1 in 5 Honda automatic transmissions were crapping out in a spectacular and dangerous fashion, and that issue has now been rectified to the best of my knowledge.  

As far as I know, aside from CVT-equipped vehicles, you can now buy a Honda and be pretty confident that the transmission is at least industry average in durability.</description>
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<p>I think what psarhjinian means is that era of mass transaxle failures in the 2000-2003 Accords, CLs, TLs, and Odysseys is over.</p>
<p>Every automaker builds some duds, and I&#8217;m sure we could round up hundreds of vehicles made by each and every automaker in 2008 that had their transmissions crap out.  </p>
<p>But the point is that a few years ago, something like 1 in 5 Honda automatic transmissions were crapping out in a spectacular and dangerous fashion, and that issue has now been rectified to the best of my knowledge.  </p>
<p>As far as I know, aside from CVT-equipped vehicles, you can now buy a Honda and be pretty confident that the transmission is at least industry average in durability.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: tubacity</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/honda-shares-the-joy/comment-page-1/#comment-1119481</link>
		<dc:creator>tubacity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 06:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So this is good for their transaxle warranty claims, right. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
My Honda V6 auto transmission puked in 2008.  I had to pay so I might have helped Honda profits.  Helped convince me not to be a Honda buyer in 2008 when I was in the market.  So maybe I did not help Honda Profits but added to the sales decline.  Transmission issue was not dead in 2008.</description>
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<blockquote>So this is good for their transaxle warranty claims, right. </p></blockquote>
<p>My Honda V6 auto transmission puked in 2008.  I had to pay so I might have helped Honda profits.  Helped convince me not to be a Honda buyer in 2008 when I was in the market.  So maybe I did not help Honda Profits but added to the sales decline.  Transmission issue was not dead in 2008.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Sajeev Mehta</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/honda-shares-the-joy/comment-page-1/#comment-1119402</link>
		<dc:creator>Sajeev Mehta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 05:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;SherbornSean : I’m not convinced Honda is limited by its small set of platforms. There is plenty of room to grow its core: the Accord, Civic and CR-V. Just think of all the competing Chrysler and Pontiac models — ripe for the picking, I would think.&lt;/em&gt;

I think we are on the same page: they NEED to limit the number of platform derivations and focus on their core models. 

My other point was that Acura has gone too far up (RL: AWD from FWD, outclassed V6) and out (the CUVs) and the inherent Honda goodness of their engineering gets lost at those price points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>SherbornSean : I’m not convinced Honda is limited by its small set of platforms. There is plenty of room to grow its core: the Accord, Civic and CR-V. Just think of all the competing Chrysler and Pontiac models — ripe for the picking, I would think.</em></p>
<p>I think we are on the same page: they NEED to limit the number of platform derivations and focus on their core models. </p>
<p>My other point was that Acura has gone too far up (RL: AWD from FWD, outclassed V6) and out (the CUVs) and the inherent Honda goodness of their engineering gets lost at those price points.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: eh_political</title>
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		<dc:creator>eh_political</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 23:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@allegro con moto-car :

Drive the Fit before you condemn it.  Ride is more of an issue than rpms, for many drivers.  I have the 5spd, and it&#039;s nice to be able to schlep 4 people without a loss of power.  Alternatively, you could select the auto.  Again, Fit not perfect for everyone, but give it a shot, its a fun ride.</description>
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<p>Drive the Fit before you condemn it.  Ride is more of an issue than rpms, for many drivers.  I have the 5spd, and it&#8217;s nice to be able to schlep 4 people without a loss of power.  Alternatively, you could select the auto.  Again, Fit not perfect for everyone, but give it a shot, its a fun ride.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: allegro con moto-car</title>
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		<dc:creator>allegro con moto-car</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 23:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I drive an early 2000&#039;s Honda Accord, and I really, really like this car.  Eventually, I will have to replace it. With what? Another Accord? Too damn big.  A Civic?  Don&#039;t like the start-trek crap.  

The Fit?  The Fit revs over 4,000 rpms at interstate speeds in fifth gear:  This is GM-type stupidity.

That leaves me with very few choices. A Mazda 3 perhaps?  Isn&#039;t Mazda (select number of your choosing here)% owned by Ford??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I drive an early 2000&#8217;s Honda Accord, and I really, really like this car.  Eventually, I will have to replace it. With what? Another Accord? Too damn big.  A Civic?  Don&#8217;t like the start-trek crap.  </p>
<p>The Fit?  The Fit revs over 4,000 rpms at interstate speeds in fifth gear:  This is GM-type stupidity.</p>
<p>That leaves me with very few choices. A Mazda 3 perhaps?  Isn&#8217;t Mazda (select number of your choosing here)% owned by Ford??<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: psarhjinian</title>
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		<dc:creator>psarhjinian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I don’t understand why they dropped the Integer.&lt;/em&gt;

I know a mathematician who had one and rebadged it as such for fun.

Anyways, they deep-sixed the Integra/RSX thinking buyers would move to the TSX, RDX or Civic Si, all of which were higher-margin.  What actually ended up happening is they killed the affordable path into the Acura brand that it offered, and drove urban hipsters into Volkswagen and Mini&#039;s waiting arms.  

They wanted to be BMW or Audi.  They&#039;re not.  They should stop pretending to be and concentrate on being a better Acura.  The same applies to Volvo and Saab.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>I don’t understand why they dropped the Integer.</em></p>
<p>I know a mathematician who had one and rebadged it as such for fun.</p>
<p>Anyways, they deep-sixed the Integra/RSX thinking buyers would move to the TSX, RDX or Civic Si, all of which were higher-margin.  What actually ended up happening is they killed the affordable path into the Acura brand that it offered, and drove urban hipsters into Volkswagen and Mini&#8217;s waiting arms.  </p>
<p>They wanted to be BMW or Audi.  They&#8217;re not.  They should stop pretending to be and concentrate on being a better Acura.  The same applies to Volvo and Saab.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: David Holzman</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Holzman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand why they dropped the Integer. I&#039;d probably buy an integer if they were still making them. The TSX is a very decent appliance but it&#039;s porky w/o personality. A buick of a car. 

Someone wrote an editorial a while ago which talked about how Acura had lost its way. At the time, I didn&#039;t give it much thought, but it&#039;s true. 

As for the ad, gag me with a spoon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I don&#8217;t understand why they dropped the Integer. I&#8217;d probably buy an integer if they were still making them. The TSX is a very decent appliance but it&#8217;s porky w/o personality. A buick of a car. </p>
<p>Someone wrote an editorial a while ago which talked about how Acura had lost its way. At the time, I didn&#8217;t give it much thought, but it&#8217;s true. </p>
<p>As for the ad, gag me with a spoon.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: SherbornSean</title>
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		<dc:creator>SherbornSean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Honda is off 8% for the year.   Not great, but better than any other major, including Toyota which is down 16%.

Sajeev,
I&#039;m not convinced Honda is limited by its small set of platforms. There is plenty of room to grow its core: the Accord, Civic and CR-V.  Just think of all the competing Chrysler and Pontiac models -- ripe for the picking, I would think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->So Honda is off 8% for the year.   Not great, but better than any other major, including Toyota which is down 16%.</p>
<p>Sajeev,<br />
I&#8217;m not convinced Honda is limited by its small set of platforms. There is plenty of room to grow its core: the Accord, Civic and CR-V.  Just think of all the competing Chrysler and Pontiac models &#8212; ripe for the picking, I would think.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: mtypex</title>
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		<dc:creator>mtypex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The MDX and RDX bring me no joy.  No Integra and no NSX ... once again, the Buelleriffic &quot;I mean really, what&#039;s the point?&quot; The new, bigger, fuglier TSX and TL?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->The MDX and RDX bring me no joy.  No Integra and no NSX &#8230; once again, the Buelleriffic &#8220;I mean really, what&#8217;s the point?&#8221; The new, bigger, fuglier TSX and TL?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Geotpf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geotpf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just in case you were wondering how they could be down by both 34.7% and 6.7% at the same time, the link says that Honda+Acura was down 34.7% in December and 8.2% for the year, Honda alone was down 34.0% in December and 6.7% for the year, and Acura was down 39.3% in December and 20.0% for the year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Just in case you were wondering how they could be down by both 34.7% and 6.7% at the same time, the link says that Honda+Acura was down 34.7% in December and 8.2% for the year, Honda alone was down 34.0% in December and 6.7% for the year, and Acura was down 39.3% in December and 20.0% for the year.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: psarhjinian</title>
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		<dc:creator>psarhjinian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;So this is good for their transaxle warranty claims, right? &lt;/em&gt;

To be fair, the V6 Honda transmission failure issue was over and done with four years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>So this is good for their transaxle warranty claims, right? </em></p>
<p>To be fair, the V6 Honda transmission failure issue was over and done with four years ago.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Sajeev Mehta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sajeev Mehta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So this is good for their transaxle warranty claims, right? 

Maybe the market&#039;s saying that there&#039;s a limit to the number of models you can squeeze out from a FWD platform and a V6 engine...and maybe Honda/Acura is seeing the light.</description>
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<p>Maybe the market&#8217;s saying that there&#8217;s a limit to the number of models you can squeeze out from a FWD platform and a V6 engine&#8230;and maybe Honda/Acura is seeing the light.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Detroit-Iron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Detroit-Iron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These commercials make me want to shoot my tv Elvis style.</description>
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		<title>By: AJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This shouldn&#039;t be a problem. Honda will adjust their production as people still want &lt;em&gt;their cars.&lt;/em&gt;

I&#039;m all for a tighter auto credit market just like in housing. People with good credit can get loans just fine, &lt;em&gt;as I did&lt;/em&gt; for a new Honda I bought last October.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->This shouldn&#8217;t be a problem. Honda will adjust their production as people still want <em>their cars.</em></p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for a tighter auto credit market just like in housing. People with good credit can get loans just fine, <em>as I did</em> for a new Honda I bought last October.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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