Comments on: Honda Gives New Clean Diesel to Acura http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/honda-gives-new-clean-diesel-to-acura/ The Truth About Cars is dedicated to providing candid, unbiased automobile reviews and the latest in auto industry news. Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:35:24 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: kjc117 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/honda-gives-new-clean-diesel-to-acura/comment-page-1/#comment-99115 kjc117 Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:59:30 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/reviews/honda-gives-new-clean-diesel-to-acura/#comment-99115 Well, this is quite interesting in terms of marketing. Honda is using diesel engines as a premium feature. I say this because Toyota is putting diesel's in the FJ and Tundra which are not premium vehicles but makes sense in overall big picture. 4 cylinder diesel screams frugalness and should be in the CRV or Civic. Honda should put the V6 diesel in their Acura CUV. Well, this is quite interesting in terms of marketing.
Honda is using diesel engines as a premium feature. I say this because Toyota is putting diesel’s in the FJ and Tundra which are not premium vehicles but makes sense in overall big picture.

4 cylinder diesel screams frugalness and should be in the CRV or Civic. Honda should put the V6 diesel in their Acura CUV.

]]> By: bfg9k http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/honda-gives-new-clean-diesel-to-acura/comment-page-1/#comment-98932 bfg9k Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:20:41 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/reviews/honda-gives-new-clean-diesel-to-acura/#comment-98932 The only Honda diesel I care about is the forthcoming V6 diesel powered Odyssey. That would be a car I'd buy new. The only Honda diesel I care about is the forthcoming V6 diesel powered Odyssey. That would be a car I’d buy new.

]]> By: wstansfi http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/honda-gives-new-clean-diesel-to-acura/comment-page-1/#comment-98863 wstansfi Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:01:31 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/reviews/honda-gives-new-clean-diesel-to-acura/#comment-98863 I suspect that the clean diesel costs essentially price the technology out of the honda range of cars, where value is a key component. Regarding updates, I agree that the TSX has been languishing, although I see lots on the road, and the RSX really needs to come back as a mini-lux Civic SI. The TL for 2008 gets active noise cancellation in the cabin - that will make it really lux - and I believe in 2009 they're bringing the SH-AWD to the TL. That should fix the current problems with FWD torque steer and really give it the luxury feel that it usually carries most of the time anyway. I suspect that the clean diesel costs essentially price the technology out of the honda range of cars, where value is a key component. Regarding updates, I agree that the TSX has been languishing, although I see lots on the road, and the RSX really needs to come back as a mini-lux Civic SI. The TL for 2008 gets active noise cancellation in the cabin – that will make it really lux – and I believe in 2009 they’re bringing the SH-AWD to the TL. That should fix the current problems with FWD torque steer and really give it the luxury feel that it usually carries most of the time anyway.

]]> By: brettc http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/honda-gives-new-clean-diesel-to-acura/comment-page-1/#comment-98855 brettc Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:43:11 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/reviews/honda-gives-new-clean-diesel-to-acura/#comment-98855 I'd take a look at a TSX wagon with a diesel option. Of course, since Honda abandoned wagons in the 90s, I don't one coming back to North America any time soon. Which is really too bad. I guess I'd have to either wait for the new Jetta wagon, or find an older one. I’d take a look at a TSX wagon with a diesel option. Of course, since Honda abandoned wagons in the 90s, I don’t one coming back to North America any time soon. Which is really too bad. I guess I’d have to either wait for the new Jetta wagon, or find an older one.

]]> By: Robert Schwartz http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/honda-gives-new-clean-diesel-to-acura/comment-page-1/#comment-98772 Robert Schwartz Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:23:14 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/reviews/honda-gives-new-clean-diesel-to-acura/#comment-98772 If the TSX gets the 4cyl. diesel, I am a buyer. If the TSX gets the 4cyl. diesel, I am a buyer.

]]> By: f8 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/honda-gives-new-clean-diesel-to-acura/comment-page-1/#comment-98755 f8 Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:06:39 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/reviews/honda-gives-new-clean-diesel-to-acura/#comment-98755 David Holzman: Acura just isn't an RWD brand. Honda's cars are not RWD in general (all I can think of are S2K and NSX), they're very well handling FWDs with high-revving low-displacement engines. If you want RWD, any BMW dealership can help you out. There isn't much practical difference between a well-balanced FWD and RWD for most drivers anyway, and 200hp isn't enough to cause torque-steer issues. Acura should make TL into an RWD sedan - it would be far better in my opinion. TSX isn't heavy either - it's about 3200lbs. This is for a 4-door sedan with leather, electric everything, sunroof/moonroof, lots of airbags, and large wheels. Civic Si sedan is 2900lbs, a 300-pound increase for all the extra stuff isn't surprising. David Holzman:

Acura just isn’t an RWD brand. Honda’s cars are not RWD in general (all I can think of are S2K and NSX), they’re very well handling FWDs with high-revving low-displacement engines. If you want RWD, any BMW dealership can help you out. There isn’t much practical difference between a well-balanced FWD and RWD for most drivers anyway, and 200hp isn’t enough to cause torque-steer issues. Acura should make TL into an RWD sedan – it would be far better in my opinion.

TSX isn’t heavy either – it’s about 3200lbs. This is for a 4-door sedan with leather, electric everything, sunroof/moonroof, lots of airbags, and large wheels. Civic Si sedan is 2900lbs, a 300-pound increase for all the extra stuff isn’t surprising.

]]> By: David Holzman http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/honda-gives-new-clean-diesel-to-acura/comment-page-1/#comment-98754 David Holzman Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:49:30 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/reviews/honda-gives-new-clean-diesel-to-acura/#comment-98754 I would like a TSX with RWD. And a little less mass. That would tempt me. Why do these things keep having to put on weight???! A wagon would be nice, too, but lower priority for me than the RWD and the weight. I would like a TSX with RWD. And a little less mass. That would tempt me. Why do these things keep having to put on weight???! A wagon would be nice, too, but lower priority for me than the RWD and the weight.

]]> By: Joshvar http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/honda-gives-new-clean-diesel-to-acura/comment-page-1/#comment-98750 Joshvar Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:05:45 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/reviews/honda-gives-new-clean-diesel-to-acura/#comment-98750 After visiting Europe, I hoped for the day of a diesel TSX wagon. The new concept gave me even greater hope; but I think we will only get the sedan still. I want to put my money where my mouth is, but the selections just don't fit me. VW's closest right now, but I like driving my car. A 335d wagon would be simply ravishing, but I'm not dropping that kind of cash on a daily driver. After visiting Europe, I hoped for the day of a diesel TSX wagon. The new concept gave me even greater hope; but I think we will only get the sedan still.

I want to put my money where my mouth is, but the selections just don’t fit me. VW’s closest right now, but I like driving my car. A 335d wagon would be simply ravishing, but I’m not dropping that kind of cash on a daily driver.

]]> By: Brian E http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/honda-gives-new-clean-diesel-to-acura/comment-page-1/#comment-98749 Brian E Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:50:48 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/reviews/honda-gives-new-clean-diesel-to-acura/#comment-98749 <i>Better still for the TSX Estate.</i> Wish we could get such a thing, mate. Alas, Acura's idea of a TSX wagon is the RDX cute-ute, which will probably also get this engine. Better still for the TSX Estate.

Wish we could get such a thing, mate. Alas, Acura’s idea of a TSX wagon is the RDX cute-ute, which will probably also get this engine.

]]> By: Strippo http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/honda-gives-new-clean-diesel-to-acura/comment-page-1/#comment-98740 Strippo Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:14:34 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/reviews/honda-gives-new-clean-diesel-to-acura/#comment-98740 <em>A turbodiesel 4-cylinder is the perfect match for the TSX.</em> Better still for the TSX Estate. Acura could dominate the wagon business since none of the other players (except maybe Subaru) is known for rock solid Toyonda reliability. A turbodiesel 4-cylinder is the perfect match for the TSX.

Better still for the TSX Estate. Acura could dominate the wagon business since none of the other players (except maybe Subaru) is known for rock solid Toyonda reliability.

]]> By: Brian E http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/honda-gives-new-clean-diesel-to-acura/comment-page-1/#comment-98738 Brian E Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:59:50 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/reviews/honda-gives-new-clean-diesel-to-acura/#comment-98738 <blockquote cite="lewissalem">Takeo Fukui has bigger tempura to fry. Consider that the RL, TL, and TSX have been rotting on the vine for far too long. Over half of Acura’s product line needs at least a mild refresh.</blockquote> Well it's a good thing then that they're all being redesigned or significantly refreshed for 2009. I do have to disagree that the TSX has been rotting on the vine (it was just a TBAG last year, for cripe's sake), but the new model will be out in April. The RL will be significantly freshened at the same time, though the lack of V8 power will once again earn it a demerit from the press. And the TL will be totally redesigned for 2009, with V6 and SH-AWD. A turbodiesel 4-cylinder is the perfect match for the TSX. I hope Honda has been working on its transmissions. A DSG-style transmission would work well in this application. The more ratios, the more chance there is to keep the engine in its peak torque range, which will be crucial to giving the kind of sporty feel that an Acura application needs.
Takeo Fukui has bigger tempura to fry. Consider that the RL, TL, and TSX have been rotting on the vine for far too long. Over half of Acura’s product line needs at least a mild refresh.

Well it’s a good thing then that they’re all being redesigned or significantly refreshed for 2009. I do have to disagree that the TSX has been rotting on the vine (it was just a TBAG last year, for cripe’s sake), but the new model will be out in April. The RL will be significantly freshened at the same time, though the lack of V8 power will once again earn it a demerit from the press. And the TL will be totally redesigned for 2009, with V6 and SH-AWD.

A turbodiesel 4-cylinder is the perfect match for the TSX. I hope Honda has been working on its transmissions. A DSG-style transmission would work well in this application. The more ratios, the more chance there is to keep the engine in its peak torque range, which will be crucial to giving the kind of sporty feel that an Acura application needs.

]]> By: lewissalem http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/honda-gives-new-clean-diesel-to-acura/comment-page-1/#comment-98737 lewissalem Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:45:52 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/reviews/honda-gives-new-clean-diesel-to-acura/#comment-98737 Takeo Fukui has bigger tempura to fry. Consider that the RL, TL, and TSX have been rotting on the vine for far too long. Over half of Acura's product line needs at least a mild refresh. Takeo Fukui has bigger tempura to fry. Consider that the RL, TL, and TSX have been rotting on the vine for far too long. Over half of Acura’s product line needs at least a mild refresh.

]]> By: Robert Farago http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/honda-gives-new-clean-diesel-to-acura/comment-page-1/#comment-98712 Robert Farago Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:53:38 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/reviews/honda-gives-new-clean-diesel-to-acura/#comment-98712 <p><em> Dorian666 :</em></p> <p><em> Wow ! Had me fooled , I was sure it was going to be the TSX. Seemed to make so much sense and right price range. Now a 4 Cylinder in a RL ? Poor RL , always 2 cylinders short for its class.</em></p> <p>You just joshing? There's been no decision on which Acura model gets the oil burner. We's jest playin' witch all!</p> <em></em>

Dorian666 :

Wow ! Had me fooled , I was sure it was going to be the TSX. Seemed to make so much sense and right price range. Now a 4 Cylinder in a RL ? Poor RL , always 2 cylinders short for its class.

You just joshing? There's been no decision on which Acura model gets the oil burner. We's jest playin' witch all!

]]> By: Dorian666 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/honda-gives-new-clean-diesel-to-acura/comment-page-1/#comment-98710 Dorian666 Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:46:23 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/reviews/honda-gives-new-clean-diesel-to-acura/#comment-98710 Wow ! Had me fooled , I was sure it was going to be the TSX. Seemed to make so much sense and right price range. Now a 4 Cylinder in a RL ? Poor RL , always 2 cylinders short for its class. Wow ! Had me fooled , I was sure it was going to be the TSX. Seemed to make so much sense and right price range. Now a 4 Cylinder in a RL ? Poor RL , always 2 cylinders short for its class.

]]> By: TomAnderson http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/honda-gives-new-clean-diesel-to-acura/comment-page-1/#comment-98708 TomAnderson Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:43:05 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/reviews/honda-gives-new-clean-diesel-to-acura/#comment-98708 Sounds like I'll be buying a Jetta Sportwagen TDI, then, dealership experience and quality pitfalls be damned... Sounds like I’ll be buying a Jetta Sportwagen TDI, then, dealership experience and quality pitfalls be damned…

]]> By: Redbarchetta http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/honda-gives-new-clean-diesel-to-acura/comment-page-1/#comment-98701 Redbarchetta Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:32:35 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/reviews/honda-gives-new-clean-diesel-to-acura/#comment-98701 WHAT! I was looking forward to this coming out in a Civic or Accord I could buy used a few years down the road. I have no interest in dumping money in an overpriced Acura. What is with these bone headed car execs, Honda is now infected. Now I'll have to wait ages until I can get my hands on one of these, which means it will be an awesome powerplant the way my luck goes. WHAT! I was looking forward to this coming out in a Civic or Accord I could buy used a few years down the road. I have no interest in dumping money in an overpriced Acura. What is with these bone headed car execs, Honda is now infected. Now I’ll have to wait ages until I can get my hands on one of these, which means it will be an awesome powerplant the way my luck goes.

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