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	<title>Comments on: Hargrove&#8217;s Hard Line</title>
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		<title>By: SherbornSean</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/hargroves-hard-line/comment-page-1/#comment-160982</link>
		<dc:creator>SherbornSean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buzz is gonna have to take a haricut, or else his whole head will get chopped off. 

I feel bad for Mikey</description>
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		<title>By: Banned User</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/hargroves-hard-line/comment-page-1/#comment-160972</link>
		<dc:creator>Banned User</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another mistake that Americans make about Canada health care is that it is a &#039;National Plan&#039;.  Health care is run and mostly paid for by the provinces and each province has their own plan.  The feds only pay 10 or 15% and dictate to the provinces how to run the plans.  The health care originally was started by the province of Saskatchewan.  Kinda like why doesn&#039;t Michigan start its&#039; own plan.  With the advantage of &#039;free&#039; health care companies would rush back to invest in the state.</description>
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		<title>By: troonbop</title>
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		<dc:creator>troonbop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;why don’t they take over the plants on a lease and build the cars under contract.&quot; 

Ha! I remember an interviewer posing that question to a CAW representative back when Chrysler was up for sale. It was necessary to revive the CAW gentleman with smelling salts. He&#039;s recovering, but they say he&#039;ll never be the same. He just sits quietly by the radiator, gazing out the window at the passing seasons.
BTW, re the dental plan; a lot of employers offer dental insurance, but it isn&#039;t part of the national health plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->&#8220;why don’t they take over the plants on a lease and build the cars under contract.&#8221; </p>
<p>Ha! I remember an interviewer posing that question to a CAW representative back when Chrysler was up for sale. It was necessary to revive the CAW gentleman with smelling salts. He&#8217;s recovering, but they say he&#8217;ll never be the same. He just sits quietly by the radiator, gazing out the window at the passing seasons.<br />
BTW, re the dental plan; a lot of employers offer dental insurance, but it isn&#8217;t part of the national health plan.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: mel23</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/hargroves-hard-line/comment-page-1/#comment-160932</link>
		<dc:creator>mel23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Canadian health care is not as great a savings as commonly thought. Prescription drugs, dental, eye glasses, private hospital rooms and more are not covered. It still costs the company a great deal of money.&lt;/b&gt;

Of those listed, drug costs are the most expensive in the US, and we know they are much less in Ca. I lived in Canada for several years, and my strong impression was that dental care was part of the national health plan. I remember my dentist taking pity on me since I didn&#039;t have &#039;insurance&#039;. But again, we (nearly everyone here) just don&#039;t know what the numbers are.</description>
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<p>Of those listed, drug costs are the most expensive in the US, and we know they are much less in Ca. I lived in Canada for several years, and my strong impression was that dental care was part of the national health plan. I remember my dentist taking pity on me since I didn&#8217;t have &#8216;insurance&#8217;. But again, we (nearly everyone here) just don&#8217;t know what the numbers are.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Landcrusher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Landcrusher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is an idea. If the CAW is so much better at making cars, why don&#039;t they take over the plants on a lease and build the cars under contract. You know, compete in the market like EVERYONE ELSE.

If they can do it better, they get a raise, if not, too bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Here is an idea. If the CAW is so much better at making cars, why don&#8217;t they take over the plants on a lease and build the cars under contract. You know, compete in the market like EVERYONE ELSE.</p>
<p>If they can do it better, they get a raise, if not, too bad.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Banned User</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/hargroves-hard-line/comment-page-1/#comment-160802</link>
		<dc:creator>Banned User</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scariest part is Buzz isn&#039;t bluffing.  Before negotiations end he may come to his senses, or be brought kicking and screaming into making a deal but he will not accept 2 tier wages if there is anything he can do to prevent them.  It just to much against the beliefs of the old union man who plans on retiring in 2009 after laying waste the future of his workforce.

Canadian health care is not as great a savings as commonly thought.  Prescription drugs, dental, eye glasses, private hospital rooms and more are not covered.  It still costs the company a great deal of money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Scariest part is Buzz isn&#8217;t bluffing.  Before negotiations end he may come to his senses, or be brought kicking and screaming into making a deal but he will not accept 2 tier wages if there is anything he can do to prevent them.  It just to much against the beliefs of the old union man who plans on retiring in 2009 after laying waste the future of his workforce.</p>
<p>Canadian health care is not as great a savings as commonly thought.  Prescription drugs, dental, eye glasses, private hospital rooms and more are not covered.  It still costs the company a great deal of money.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Facebook User</title>
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		<dc:creator>Facebook User</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your going to get jobs by being the most expensive in the world?</description>
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		<title>By: 6G74</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/hargroves-hard-line/comment-page-1/#comment-160432</link>
		<dc:creator>6G74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course both MBAs no doubt realize the $80/hr includes all benefits, and it&#039;s an average wage (antiquated union rules include lots dealing with seniority).

I&#039;d like to know how Toyota is dealing with this. Ford and Chrysler haven&#039;t said much, and GM&#039;s posturing has so far amounted to shots across the CAW bow. As in: not much.

I suppose we&#039;ll see come Judgment Day.</description>
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<p>I&#8217;d like to know how Toyota is dealing with this. Ford and Chrysler haven&#8217;t said much, and GM&#8217;s posturing has so far amounted to shots across the CAW bow. As in: not much.</p>
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		<title>By: AKM</title>
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		<dc:creator>AKM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sajeev: true that. Although said jobs will probably disappear soon, and no wonder why.</description>
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		<title>By: Sajeev Mehta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sajeev Mehta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AKM: another 30 year old MBA here, and I agree with you. 

Me thinks we need to find new jobs. :)</description>
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		<title>By: justjim</title>
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		<dc:creator>justjim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just keep it up Buzz Baby... Soon you&#039;ll be be a Union of One.</description>
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		<title>By: AKM</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/hargroves-hard-line/comment-page-1/#comment-160092</link>
		<dc:creator>AKM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$80 an hour?? Sheeesh. I don&#039;t make that much as a 30-year old MBA!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->$80 an hour?? Sheeesh. I don&#8217;t make that much as a 30-year old MBA!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: mel23</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/hargroves-hard-line/comment-page-1/#comment-160062</link>
		<dc:creator>mel23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be informative to have a few facts on this whole thing. How many CAW person hours are involved in building a car thus how much CAW cost is in a car? Since Canada has universal health care, how much does the employer (GM) save per car in this regard, not only while they&#039;re employed but after they retire too? Of course the employer would like people to work for less, but since the decision seems to be, at least sometimes, whether to build in  the US or Canada, having some info would be enlightening. 

Also very important of course is currency. The $CA is very high now compared to the past, so what can be predicted about this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->It would be informative to have a few facts on this whole thing. How many CAW person hours are involved in building a car thus how much CAW cost is in a car? Since Canada has universal health care, how much does the employer (GM) save per car in this regard, not only while they&#8217;re employed but after they retire too? Of course the employer would like people to work for less, but since the decision seems to be, at least sometimes, whether to build in  the US or Canada, having some info would be enlightening. </p>
<p>Also very important of course is currency. The $CA is very high now compared to the past, so what can be predicted about this?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Sherman Lin</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/hargroves-hard-line/comment-page-1/#comment-159962</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherman Lin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We&#039;re not going to try to buy jobs by being the cheapest workers in the world,&quot;

Strange I don&#039;t remember the CAW being asked to lower their wages down to the level of China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->&#8220;We&#8217;re not going to try to buy jobs by being the cheapest workers in the world,&#8221;</p>
<p>Strange I don&#8217;t remember the CAW being asked to lower their wages down to the level of China.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: GS650G</title>
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		<dc:creator>GS650G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the band played on.

This represents a special kind of entitlement mentality.</description>
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<p>This represents a special kind of entitlement mentality.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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