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	<title>Comments on: GMAC Rubbing Out Chrysler Dealers</title>
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		<title>By: CarShark</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gmac-rubbing-out-chrysler-dealers/comment-page-1/#comment-1503656</link>
		<dc:creator>CarShark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess part of my skepticism comes from them focusing on volume, rather than profitability or location or ability to expand or any number of things when determining who stays and who goes.</description>
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		<title>By: fincar1</title>
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		<dc:creator>fincar1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It turned out that our local Dodge dealer closed last week because the owner is 86 and wanted to retire.

Of course in normal times someone would have been waiting to buy the dealership and it wouldn&#039;t have closed.

And on the painting...every vehicle looks GM. Time, about 1949 - new 49 Caddy, plenty of 30&#039;s cars still seen.</description>
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<p>Of course in normal times someone would have been waiting to buy the dealership and it wouldn&#8217;t have closed.</p>
<p>And on the painting&#8230;every vehicle looks GM. Time, about 1949 &#8211; new 49 Caddy, plenty of 30&#8217;s cars still seen.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: ZoomZoom</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gmac-rubbing-out-chrysler-dealers/comment-page-1/#comment-1503541</link>
		<dc:creator>ZoomZoom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t time to read the article, so I&#039;ll comment on that later.  

The picture is striking in a not-so &quot;out there&quot; way.  I appreciate good 3d graphic artwork.  I find it fascinating to see what things are important in a given artist&#039;s mind&#039;s eye; things such as the use of shadow, light, specularity, reflection, and refraction.

This picture is not so realistic to my mind, but that doesn&#039;t make it bad.  Interesting, the use of skyscrapers in the background and the inclusion of trees and soot-covered street-facing building surfaces.  It&#039;s a clear and bright morning (or possibly evening), but the air&#039;s not clean here.  I found it interesting that the artist thought to use shadow to shroud some of the people and to include litter in the sunshine on the sidewalk and street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I haven&#8217;t time to read the article, so I&#8217;ll comment on that later.  </p>
<p>The picture is striking in a not-so &#8220;out there&#8221; way.  I appreciate good 3d graphic artwork.  I find it fascinating to see what things are important in a given artist&#8217;s mind&#8217;s eye; things such as the use of shadow, light, specularity, reflection, and refraction.</p>
<p>This picture is not so realistic to my mind, but that doesn&#8217;t make it bad.  Interesting, the use of skyscrapers in the background and the inclusion of trees and soot-covered street-facing building surfaces.  It&#8217;s a clear and bright morning (or possibly evening), but the air&#8217;s not clean here.  I found it interesting that the artist thought to use shadow to shroud some of the people and to include litter in the sunshine on the sidewalk and street.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: bevo</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gmac-rubbing-out-chrysler-dealers/comment-page-1/#comment-1503478</link>
		<dc:creator>bevo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;
I am consistently amazed at the number of people who come to the defense of Chrysler dealers on this site.&quot;&gt;
I am consistently amazed at the number of people who come to the defense of Chrysler dealers on this site.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You should read the Washington Post whose writers continue to cry in their collective beers for those poor, defenseless dealers who do not deserve this fate. The dealers did everything the mean company asked us, and what did we get in return? Thrown to the curb like garbage. Boo hoo.

Spare me with the poor dealer routine. They have buggered the American consumer since the inception of the dealer network and buggered the auto companies since the inception of state franchise laws.

I am glad these dealers are getting buggered themselves if, for no other reason, then they prevent consumers from buying cars through the (four square less) internet. Boo hoo, you greedy bastards.</description>
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<p>You should read the Washington Post whose writers continue to cry in their collective beers for those poor, defenseless dealers who do not deserve this fate. The dealers did everything the mean company asked us, and what did we get in return? Thrown to the curb like garbage. Boo hoo.</p>
<p>Spare me with the poor dealer routine. They have buggered the American consumer since the inception of the dealer network and buggered the auto companies since the inception of state franchise laws.</p>
<p>I am glad these dealers are getting buggered themselves if, for no other reason, then they prevent consumers from buying cars through the (four square less) internet. Boo hoo, you greedy bastards.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: carm</title>
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		<dc:creator>carm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am consistently amazed at the number of people who come to the defense of Chrysler dealers on this site.  

BTW - Here in Pittsburgh, a dealer that was told to close their two locations convinced Chrysler that they would consolidate to one location so they can stay in business.  They fought and won!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I am consistently amazed at the number of people who come to the defense of Chrysler dealers on this site.  </p>
<p>BTW &#8211; Here in Pittsburgh, a dealer that was told to close their two locations convinced Chrysler that they would consolidate to one location so they can stay in business.  They fought and won!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: afabbro</title>
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		<dc:creator>afabbro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 06:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Jimmy2x called it: &quot;And if they didn’t weed out the high risk or bad pay dealers, what would you say then? Seems like normal (or what should be normal) business practice to me.&quot;

If GMAC didn&#039;t cull, we&#039;d have stories about the government propping up weak dealers.

It may be strange that GMAC is lending money to Chrysler dealers, but keep in mind that GM&#039;s share of GMAC is less than 10%.  Cerebus owns more of GMAC than they do.  It&#039;s unlikely that GMAC is operating with a &quot;hey, we&#039;ll nuke Chrysler dealers so GM can prosper&quot; attitude.  More likely, GMAC is under the usual regulatory red tape, which probably includes keeping its own loans and accounts at a certain risk level.

They&#039;re clipping marginal dealers.  I&#039;m sure there are plenty out there with inventory that isn&#039;t worth as much as it used to be, with declining sales, and with weak prospects.  If someone came to you with a business like that and asked for money, would you lend to them?

I know zip about Palmer Dodge, but a great dealer on the outside doesn&#039;t mean a sound balance sheet.  Maybe Palmer&#039;s overleveraged, maybe its sales have nosedived, maybe it&#039;s stuck with a lot of expensive inventory that has bleak hopes of moving.  I don&#039;t think it&#039;s fair to take it out on Chrysler...sure, there are plenty of reasons not to buy a Chrysler, but a dealer&#039;s relationship with the credit markets shouldn&#039;t be one of them.

Let&#039;s put a different spin on this: if these dealers really were solvent, promising enterprises, then they should have no problem acquiring financing elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I think Jimmy2x called it: &#8220;And if they didn’t weed out the high risk or bad pay dealers, what would you say then? Seems like normal (or what should be normal) business practice to me.&#8221;</p>
<p>If GMAC didn&#8217;t cull, we&#8217;d have stories about the government propping up weak dealers.</p>
<p>It may be strange that GMAC is lending money to Chrysler dealers, but keep in mind that GM&#8217;s share of GMAC is less than 10%.  Cerebus owns more of GMAC than they do.  It&#8217;s unlikely that GMAC is operating with a &#8220;hey, we&#8217;ll nuke Chrysler dealers so GM can prosper&#8221; attitude.  More likely, GMAC is under the usual regulatory red tape, which probably includes keeping its own loans and accounts at a certain risk level.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re clipping marginal dealers.  I&#8217;m sure there are plenty out there with inventory that isn&#8217;t worth as much as it used to be, with declining sales, and with weak prospects.  If someone came to you with a business like that and asked for money, would you lend to them?</p>
<p>I know zip about Palmer Dodge, but a great dealer on the outside doesn&#8217;t mean a sound balance sheet.  Maybe Palmer&#8217;s overleveraged, maybe its sales have nosedived, maybe it&#8217;s stuck with a lot of expensive inventory that has bleak hopes of moving.  I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s fair to take it out on Chrysler&#8230;sure, there are plenty of reasons not to buy a Chrysler, but a dealer&#8217;s relationship with the credit markets shouldn&#8217;t be one of them.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s put a different spin on this: if these dealers really were solvent, promising enterprises, then they should have no problem acquiring financing elsewhere.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Knuckles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Knuckles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 04:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While NUMMI is ramping down production of the Vibe, they are ramping up production of the Corolla.  Who else thinks Toyota is betting on stealing more market share from the domestics.</description>
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		<title>By: John Horner</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Horner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 04:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been saying it for months now and will keep saying it: The dealer cull is going to reduce sales a lot more than GM and Chrysler seem to realize. It is also going to undercut the highly profitable spare parts business.

Palmer Dodge should put up big signs advertising the fact that they are still happy to do any and all non-warranty service and repairs on Chrysler products. They can advertise that they are now cutting their service prices an average of 20% thanks to no longer paying for overpriced &quot;factory&quot; parts. I&#039;m sure the local NAPA dealer will be happy to keep them supplied with parts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I&#8217;ve been saying it for months now and will keep saying it: The dealer cull is going to reduce sales a lot more than GM and Chrysler seem to realize. It is also going to undercut the highly profitable spare parts business.</p>
<p>Palmer Dodge should put up big signs advertising the fact that they are still happy to do any and all non-warranty service and repairs on Chrysler products. They can advertise that they are now cutting their service prices an average of 20% thanks to no longer paying for overpriced &#8220;factory&#8221; parts. I&#8217;m sure the local NAPA dealer will be happy to keep them supplied with parts.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Conslaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conslaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 04:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt51 is absolutely right about Palmer Dodge. That dealer was seemingly doing exactly what Chrysler said they wanted, consolidating Dodge, Chrysler &amp; Jeep in a nice new facility with no imports.  What did they get in return? the rug pulled out from under them.  (I wonder if the DF&#039;s making the dealer culling decision even knew that Palmer had recently relocated and remodeled its Indy West facility?)

Although I didn&#039;t buy my car there, Palmer Dodge was the dealer closest to my work, where I got my Grand Caravan serviced.  I have absolutely no reason to buy a Chrysler product now.  I don&#039;t have anywhere to get it serviced without going 7 miles in each direction out of my way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Matt51 is absolutely right about Palmer Dodge. That dealer was seemingly doing exactly what Chrysler said they wanted, consolidating Dodge, Chrysler &amp; Jeep in a nice new facility with no imports.  What did they get in return? the rug pulled out from under them.  (I wonder if the DF&#8217;s making the dealer culling decision even knew that Palmer had recently relocated and remodeled its Indy West facility?)</p>
<p>Although I didn&#8217;t buy my car there, Palmer Dodge was the dealer closest to my work, where I got my Grand Caravan serviced.  I have absolutely no reason to buy a Chrysler product now.  I don&#8217;t have anywhere to get it serviced without going 7 miles in each direction out of my way.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: WetWilly</title>
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		<dc:creator>WetWilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 03:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I wonder if it’s occurred to Detroit that a lot of these dealers are going to be selling imports further eroding their market share?&lt;/i&gt;

Nope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><i>I wonder if it’s occurred to Detroit that a lot of these dealers are going to be selling imports further eroding their market share?</i></p>
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		<title>By: Bill Wade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 03:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Matt51 :
June 24th, 2009 at 10:09 pm

Palmer Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep had been operating in Indianapolis since 1957. They were moving Dodge/Jeep from an older location, to a nice new location. They left Hyundai at the old location.&lt;/i&gt;

It sounds like there is going to be a nice Hyundai store in the new location.

I wonder if it&#039;s occurred to Detroit that a lot of these dealers are going to be selling imports further eroding their market share?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><i>Matt51 :<br />
June 24th, 2009 at 10:09 pm</p>
<p>Palmer Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep had been operating in Indianapolis since 1957. They were moving Dodge/Jeep from an older location, to a nice new location. They left Hyundai at the old location.</i></p>
<p>It sounds like there is going to be a nice Hyundai store in the new location.</p>
<p>I wonder if it&#8217;s occurred to Detroit that a lot of these dealers are going to be selling imports further eroding their market share?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: skor</title>
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		<dc:creator>skor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 02:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Green shoots?  I think that green color we&#039;re seeing is the zombies&#039; skin.</description>
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		<title>By: Matt51</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt51</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 02:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palmer Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep had been operating in Indianapolis since 1957. They were moving Dodge/Jeep from an older location, to a nice new location. They left Hyundai at the old location. I drove past their new store three weeks ago - beautiful buildings, all new signs, a large &quot;Grand Opening&quot; sign out front. Lot was loaded with nice new Chrysler product. And guess what. Last week, they ran a full page ad in the paper, saying they apologized to their customers, but Chrysler had pulled the plug on them. What a waste. They had to have invested millions in their new location, as soon as it opened, they are shut down.
GM and Chrysler will die because their management is terminally stupid. No one, not even the full backing of the US government, can overcome this level of stupidity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Palmer Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep had been operating in Indianapolis since 1957. They were moving Dodge/Jeep from an older location, to a nice new location. They left Hyundai at the old location. I drove past their new store three weeks ago &#8211; beautiful buildings, all new signs, a large &#8220;Grand Opening&#8221; sign out front. Lot was loaded with nice new Chrysler product. And guess what. Last week, they ran a full page ad in the paper, saying they apologized to their customers, but Chrysler had pulled the plug on them. What a waste. They had to have invested millions in their new location, as soon as it opened, they are shut down.<br />
GM and Chrysler will die because their management is terminally stupid. No one, not even the full backing of the US government, can overcome this level of stupidity.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: jimmy2x</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimmy2x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 02:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And if they didn&#039;t weed out the high risk or bad pay dealers, what would you say then?  Seems like normal (or what should be normal) business practice to me.</description>
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